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I actually thought to myself that Gerrard looked a little bit heftier than the last few years, like he's bulked up a bit. He went 90 minutes so he's obviously fit, but I barely saw him at all out there.
After a full 90 on Thursday, too. He looked meh today, and shouldn't be putting in those kinds of shifts. Saw one stat where he gave the ball away 24 times...oof

I agree on Allen, too. Very solid player.
love this kid

 
Crazy Bayern game today.

They were trailing Stuttgart 1-0 after 30 minutes. At halftime they led 3-1. After 51 minutes they led 6-1, which was the final.

Some impressive goals in there too.

 
In about 90 minutes we may learn the fate of whether Timmy Chandler will be cap tied to the US. Plenty of speculation that Klinsmann was going to call him in one more time.

Chandler and Gatt are the two most interesting names I am waiting to see whether will be on or not. I am not going to try and predict the roster because I can never tell when Klinsmann will call in a bunch of Mexican based players or a few.

It would not shock me if either Donovan or Dempsey was left off. I would still like to see Dempsey on the roster because he might be able to give 20 decent minutes off the bench.

 
My first half thoughts:- Diaby looks fantastic, best player on the field for Arsenal thus far.- Still not a lot of chance creation except from Cazorla and Podolski. Still nothing much from the wings. Gibbs has been active and I like it, but he has looked really out of sync with Giroud. Ox has been effectively silent and neglected to get back in defense a few times that I saw; I'd love to see Walcott check in soon.- Jenkinson looks surprisingly competent defensively against Sterling. Sterling looks good and has probably overall had the better of it between the two, but Jenkinson is holding his own and hasn't been a defensive liability so far today.- Mertesacker still sucks and has given the ball away a few times, but that slide in the box was a world-class challenge.- I still don't know how to feel about Giroud. At the very least, he's not a useless pylon like Chamakh. Still, though, he kinda just looks like a new version of Nicklas Bendtner, except he's not as good a dribbler or finisher. Who needs those qualities anyway, right? Hopefully it's just nerves and he'll settle in.
:goodposting: Diaby looked like a different player out there. He was awesome today. I'm glad Ox got a start, but it's back to the bench for a bit, imo. They missed Walcott or Gervinho making runs and tracking back more (like Gervinho anyway). Something about Jenkinson rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's just that hipster vibe you mentioned.
 
I'm surprised to hear the Jenkinson praise. He made at least three passes that I can recall that led to direct counter-attacks. Just terrible passes across the middle of the field that got picked up immediately.

 
I'm surprised to hear the Jenkinson praise. He made at least three passes that I can recall that led to direct counter-attacks. Just terrible passes across the middle of the field that got picked up immediately.
He also blundered a clearance and gave a cheap corner.I took Taster's comments about Jenk more as "he's surprisingly not a total disaster".
 
I'm surprised to hear the Jenkinson praise. He made at least three passes that I can recall that led to direct counter-attacks. Just terrible passes across the middle of the field that got picked up immediately.
His distribution was horrible, but I thought it was maybe his best game ever for Arsenal in terms of actual defending. He's still not good, though.
 
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION

GOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)

MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)

FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)

 
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITIONGOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)
Gatt is on the initial roster but he supposedly got injured todayNo Donovan as was kind of predictable. This is a big roster (25) so there will be players who don't go to Jamaica. Rimando will not join team until Columbus. Note that Edu is listed as a defender.No ChandlerReam was on list but is now listed as being on stand by
 
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U.S. ROSTER BY POSITIONGOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)
Gatt is on the initial roster but he supposedly got injured todayNo Donovan as was kind of predictable. This is a big roster (25) so there will be players who don't go to Jamaica. Rimando will not join team until Columbus. Note that Edu is listed as a defender.No Chandler
Sucks not to have Bradley, but that roster shouldn't lose any games IMHO.
 
I am not happy with the thought that Klinsmann may put out a lineup with Torres, Williams and Beckerman. The midfield is so much weaker with out Bradley.

 
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Bar argument time. If given 100 PKs against a high school goalie, how many goals would a very athletic 50 year old who has never touched a soccer ball score given a few minutes of warm up?

 
'Spartans Rule said:
Crazy Bayern game today.They were trailing Stuttgart 1-0 after 30 minutes. At halftime they led 3-1. After 51 minutes they led 6-1, which was the final.Some impressive goals in there too.
:thumbup: They crushed Stuttgart today.Stuttgart went up 1-0 in the 25th from a goal by Harnik, then Bayern stormed back with goals in the 32nd, 33rd and 43rd from Müller, Kroos and Gustavo. In the second half Bayern scored in the 47th, 49th and 51st from Mandzukic, Müller and Schweinsteiger. Bayern's subs into the match were all new signings: Pizarro (69), Shaqiri (73) and Martinez (77).
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FC Bayern 	2-0-0 	9:1 	6Frankfurt 	2-0-0 	6:1 	6followed by 6 teams with 4 points.
 
:popcorn: :lmao:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/cristiano-ronaldo-too-sad-celebrate-goals-upset-real-042404022--sow.html
Cristiano Ronaldo did not celebrate either of his first two goals of the season in Real Madrid's 3-0 win against Granada (video of the first here). After the match he made it clear that he did this with purpose, but he also left a bit of mystery about it all as he refrained from getting too specific.From Sky Sports:Speaking to reporters after the match, Ronaldo explained he was feeling down and that it was due to a 'professional' rather than 'personal' issue."I don't celebrate goals when I am feeling sad and that's the case today," said Ronaldo."The people who work here know why and I won't say any more than that."Guillem Balague and AS later reported that Ronaldo told Real Madrid president Florentino Perez that he wants to leave the club even though he contract runs until 2015. AS also claimed that Ronaldo cited trouble in the dressing room with his teammates as a reason for his displeasure. But what could be the problem? Here are several possibilities...-Marcelo accidentally called him "Leo."-Xabi Alonso said that "anyone who doesn't watch Breaking Bad is an idiot" and Cristiano does not watch Breaking Bad.-Seeing Iker Casillas cry so many times has made him depressed.-He's worried that if Kaka leaves, they won't be able to hang out on Real Madrid Resort Island together.-He just found out that Kaka doesn't really exist and he is the only one who can see him.-Luka Modric's physical appearance is upsetting to him.-He got really freaked out by Michael Essien calling Jose Mourinho "daddy."-Karim Benzema asked if his girlfriend, Irina Shayk, will leave him for Andres Iniesta now.-Jose Callejon said that Jose Callejon has the best hair on the team and didn't realize Cristiano was standing right behind him the whole time.-Ricardo Carvalho being tossed aside like a dead gold fish that is still very much alive.-The rest of the team keeps asking him why he's nice to Fabio Coentrao and they all roll their eyes when he says they're friends.-Sergio Ramos said something Sergio Ramosy.-Sergio Ramos offered to kick his favorite ball to him from across the training pitch, but ended up kicking it into the ocean instead.-Sergio Ramos ate the sandwich his mom packed him for lunch 16 days in a row.-Sergio Ramos accidentally erased all the songs on his iPod.-Sergio Ramos accidentally adopted his son and renamed him "Herman Jr."-Sergio Ramos.
 
Bar argument time. If given 100 PKs against a high school goalie, how many goals would a very athletic 50 year old who has never touched a soccer ball score given a few minutes of warm up?
63
I was going to say 70.Very athletic = played soccer before?
Never touched a soccer ball but can still knock out a marathon
He has never kicked a ball before in his life?30 at best.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
KriesDon't think of him as a goal scorer- incorrectly, obviously. Man- the best US player possibly ever to not feature with the Nats.
This is an interesting question. It is hard to define exactly what feature means but I think Kries would be near or at the top of that list.Even though he had 36 caps, over 10 year period, I always though Ralston was a player who seemed like he could have helped the Nats more than he did. As for active players, Brad Davis probably is the best player who never really got a chance with the Nats.
Seems like you got what I meant by "feature"- got his caps, but was never an integral part of the team. Wouldn't have guessed at 36 caps for Kries. And in a way, I remember Ralston at least having a stretch (albeit small) with the Nats where he helped in a big way- great, consistent player. And Davis- so good. I wonder why he gets traded so much? Because he has obvious value, but probably doesn't make marquee money?
 
I think Floppo said it best. I don't think there is a worse league in the world than the Championship in England to make Ream look bad. Everything he does well is not welcome and everything he struggles with is going to be exploited.

Brian Sciaretta (@BrianSciaretta)9/1/12 3:42 PMThe Manchester Evening News says #USMNT CB Tim Ream's performance in a 3-1 loss to Hull today was a "nightmare".. Ouch menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven…
Hopefully it will give him a chance to improve his weaknesses. Let me rephrase that... hopefully his team gives him a chance to play and improve his weaknesses.
 
My first half thoughts:- Diaby looks fantastic, best player on the field for Arsenal thus far.- Still not a lot of chance creation except from Cazorla and Podolski. Still nothing much from the wings. Gibbs has been active and I like it, but he has looked really out of sync with Giroud. Ox has been effectively silent and neglected to get back in defense a few times that I saw; I'd love to see Walcott check in soon.- Jenkinson looks surprisingly competent defensively against Sterling. Sterling looks good and has probably overall had the better of it between the two, but Jenkinson is holding his own and hasn't been a defensive liability so far today.- Mertesacker still sucks and has given the ball away a few times, but that slide in the box was a world-class challenge.- I still don't know how to feel about Giroud. At the very least, he's not a useless pylon like Chamakh. Still, though, he kinda just looks like a new version of Nicklas Bendtner, except he's not as good a dribbler or finisher. Who needs those qualities anyway, right? Hopefully it's just nerves and he'll settle in.
Agree with everything. Was amazed at Diaby's play, after being repeatedly bleh by it previously.And that was two teams that could/should have used a Dempsey.But there's reason for optimism for Liverpool- they're playing well, just need Suarez to score. Oh wait- they have other guys thatcan score, right?And Arsenal seemed to start to gel in the 2nd half; that goal visibly lifted their spirits and their play. They went forward with a lot more confidence afterwards.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITIONGOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)
That MF scares the crap out of me.
 
Bar argument time. If given 100 PKs against a high school goalie, how many goals would a very athletic 50 year old who has never touched a soccer ball score given a few minutes of warm up?
63
I was going to say 70.Very athletic = played soccer before?
Never touched a soccer ball but can still knock out a marathon
40-50 if he's never touched a ball before
Being able to run a marathon isn't going to help you kick the ball on frame 100 times, let alone away from the GK. But yeah, somewhere just north or south of 1/2.Maybe the marathon would help if you did a 2nd 100 PKs. But no as much as having just taken the previous hundred.
 
:popcorn: :lmao:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/cristiano-ronaldo-too-sad-celebrate-goals-upset-real-042404022--sow.html

Cristiano Ronaldo did not celebrate either of his first two goals of the season in Real Madrid's 3-0 win against Granada (video of the first here). After the match he made it clear that he did this with purpose, but he also left a bit of mystery about it all as he refrained from getting too specific.

From Sky Sports:

Speaking to reporters after the match, Ronaldo explained he was feeling down and that it was due to a 'professional' rather than 'personal' issue.

"I don't celebrate goals when I am feeling sad and that's the case today," said Ronaldo.

"The people who work here know why and I won't say any more than that."

Guillem Balague and AS later reported that Ronaldo told Real Madrid president Florentino Perez that he wants to leave the club even though he contract runs until 2015. AS also claimed that Ronaldo cited trouble in the dressing room with his teammates as a reason for his displeasure. But what could be the problem? Here are several possibilities...

-Marcelo accidentally called him "Leo."

-Xabi Alonso said that "anyone who doesn't watch Breaking Bad is an idiot" and Cristiano does not watch Breaking Bad.

-Seeing Iker Casillas cry so many times has made him depressed.

-He's worried that if Kaka leaves, they won't be able to hang out on Real Madrid Resort Island together.

-He just found out that Kaka doesn't really exist and he is the only one who can see him.

-Luka Modric's physical appearance is upsetting to him.

-He got really freaked out by Michael Essien calling Jose Mourinho "daddy."

-Karim Benzema asked if his girlfriend, Irina Shayk, will leave him for Andres Iniesta now.

-Jose Callejon said that Jose Callejon has the best hair on the team and didn't realize Cristiano was standing right behind him the whole time.

-Ricardo Carvalho being tossed aside like a dead gold fish that is still very much alive.

-The rest of the team keeps asking him why he's nice to Fabio Coentrao and they all roll their eyes when he says they're friends.

-Sergio Ramos said something Sergio Ramosy.

-Sergio Ramos offered to kick his favorite ball to him from across the training pitch, but ended up kicking it into the ocean instead.

-Sergio Ramos ate the sandwich his mom packed him for lunch 16 days in a row.

-Sergio Ramos accidentally erased all the songs on his iPod.

-Sergio Ramos accidentally adopted his son and renamed him "Herman Jr."

-Sergio Ramos.
:lmao:
 
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITIONGOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)
That MF scares the crap out of me.
Roma wouldn't release Bradley? What's the story here.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITIONGOALKEEPERS (4) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (9) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)FORWARDS (4 ): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos)
That MF scares the crap out of me.
Roma wouldn't release Bradley? What's the story here.
Bradley is hurt.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
KriesDon't think of him as a goal scorer- incorrectly, obviously. Man- the best US player possibly ever to not feature with the Nats.
This is an interesting question. It is hard to define exactly what feature means but I think Kries would be near or at the top of that list.Even though he had 36 caps, over 10 year period, I always though Ralston was a player who seemed like he could have helped the Nats more than he did. As for active players, Brad Davis probably is the best player who never really got a chance with the Nats.
Seems like you got what I meant by "feature"- got his caps, but was never an integral part of the team. Wouldn't have guessed at 36 caps for Kries. And in a way, I remember Ralston at least having a stretch (albeit small) with the Nats where he helped in a big way- great, consistent player. And Davis- so good. I wonder why he gets traded so much? Because he has obvious value, but probably doesn't make marquee money?
I wrote that poorly. Ralston had 36 caps. Kries had 14 caps.Davis has been with SJ/Houston since 2005. That is a pretty long time to be with any one MLS team. I do not know why he moved a couple of times before that though.
 
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Any chance they use Dempsey as an attacking mid to distribute to Boyd and somebody else up top? Or is Dempsey's fitness a question?

 
Any chance they use Dempsey as an attacking mid to distribute to Boyd and somebody else up top? Or is Dempsey's fitness a question?
I have no idea of course but I have to think that Dempsey comes off the bench in Jamaica. Not only has he not played a game in 3 months, he has not even trained with professionals for a long time. Klinsmann said they will judge him based on his three days in camp in Miami before they head down to Jamaica.If he was fit, I like to think that Dempsey/Jozy/Boyd or Dempsey/Jozy/Gonzo would be the three forwards.I am hopeful Jozy practices well. Klinsmann has not favored him lately and I think he needs to be at his best for the US to pull something off down at The Office.
 
I doubt demps can go a full 90. Better to bring him on for a needed spark, or (better yet) to get him some needed minutes in a game that's already iced). Which WCQ game is first?

 
I doubt demps can go a full 90. Better to bring him on for a needed spark, or (better yet) to get him some needed minutes in a game that's already iced). Which WCQ game is first?
At Jamaica is the first. This Friday night on beIN Sport. Note it is live on beIN Sports (English), but will be tape delayed on beIN Sport (Spanish).
 

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