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'Good said:
Capital One Cup on BeIN right now.
I didn't get on here to comment yesterday, but I thought that was pretty classless of Nathan Dyer to throw a hissy fit yesterday because he wasn't given the PK to get a hat trick. He wasn't even the one who won the penalty. Yeah, I get that you've never had one in your career, but still, you are chasing individual achievements on a team day. It was Swansea's first major trophy in 100 years, for Pete's sake! To contrast, in Swansea's last game, Liverpool won a second penalty on the day. Stevie G had already scored the first, so he first offered it to Carragher, who is in his swan song. When Carra didn't want it, he gave it to Sturridge, so he could join in on the scoring. It was just a complete show of class from a wonderful captain. Nathan Dyer could have learned a thing or two from that.
 
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'Mjolnirs said:
After 3 nights of cold soccer the 2013 Carolina Challenge winners are the Chicago Fire.

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Chicago Fire        2-1-0 7  6-4 +2Vancouver Whitecaps 1-1-1 4  5-5  0Charleston Battery  1-0-2 3  5-6 -1Houston Dynamo      1-0-2 3  5-6 -1
Saturday 2/16Chicago - Houston 3-2Vancouver - Charleston 3-2Wednesday 2/20Houston - Vancouver 2-1Chicago - Charleston 2-1Saturday 2/23Chicago - Vancouver 1-1Charleston - Houston 2-1
Did you get to go this year?
Yep. All three nights.
Did Reo-Coker get to play with Vancouver or did he sign to late?Was this fun preseason tourney earlier than normal this year because of the early start to the MLS season?
This tournament is usually pretty early, but it may have been a week or so earlier than normal.I don't remember hearing that name over the PA and I've already thrown away the roster sheet they gave out at the gate. Honestly the only name that caught my attention was Brian Ching on Houston's roster.
 
With Bayern's victory this weekend and the next 5 teams in the table either losing or drawing, Bayern have opened up a 17 point lead in the table.

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Bayern       19-3-1 60  63- 8 +55Dortmund     12-7-4 43  51-27 +24Leverkusen   12-6-5 42  43-30 +13E. Frankfurt 11-5-7 38  38-34  +4Freiburg      9-8-6 35  29-22  +7
 
'Good said:
Capital One Cup on BeIN right now.
I didn't get on here to comment yesterday, but I thought that was pretty classless of Nathan Dyer to throw a hissy fit yesterday because he wasn't given the PK to get a hat trick. He wasn't even the one who won the penalty. Yeah, I get that you've never had one in your career, but still, you are chasing individual achievements on a team day. It was Swansea's first major trophy in 100 years, for Pete's sake! To contrast, in Swansea's last game, Liverpool won a second penalty on the day. Stevie G had already scored the first, so he first offered it to Carragher, who is in his swan song. When Carra didn't want it, he gave it to Sturridge, so he could join in on the scoring. It was just a complete show of class from a wonderful captain. Nathan Dyer could have learned a thing or two from that.
It had never been done in the history of the Tournament iirc
 
'Good said:
Capital One Cup on BeIN right now.
I didn't get on here to comment yesterday, but I thought that was pretty classless of Nathan Dyer to throw a hissy fit yesterday because he wasn't given the PK to get a hat trick. He wasn't even the one who won the penalty. Yeah, I get that you've never had one in your career, but still, you are chasing individual achievements on a team day. It was Swansea's first major trophy in 100 years, for Pete's sake! To contrast, in Swansea's last game, Liverpool won a second penalty on the day. Stevie G had already scored the first, so he first offered it to Carragher, who is in his swan song. When Carra didn't want it, he gave it to Sturridge, so he could join in on the scoring. It was just a complete show of class from a wonderful captain. Nathan Dyer could have learned a thing or two from that.
It had never been done in the history of the Tournament iirc
It was selfish of Dyer and unfortunate because there has been more focus on this incident than Swansea's dismantling of Bradford. Swansea's ball movement was clinical. I realize it was against a lower tier club but Swansea really put on a show.
 
It was selfish of Dyer and unfortunate because there has been more focus on this incident than Swansea's dismantling of Bradford. Swansea's ball movement was clinical. I realize it was against a lower tier club but Swansea really put on a show.
A lot of people gave Swansea crap for resting half their side in a relatively meaningless game against Liverpool but I think they would do it a 1000 times over to have a 5-0 EPL loss coupled with a 5-0 League Cup Final win to give them their first trophy ever and a ticket into next years Europa League (first time in Europe in 20 years I think).
 
It was selfish of Dyer and unfortunate because there has been more focus on this incident than Swansea's dismantling of Bradford. Swansea's ball movement was clinical. I realize it was against a lower tier club but Swansea really put on a show.
A lot of people gave Swansea crap for resting half their side in a relatively meaningless game against Liverpool but I think they would do it a 1000 times over to have a 5-0 EPL loss coupled with a 5-0 League Cup Final win to give them their first trophy ever and a ticket into next years Europa League (first time in Europe in 20 years I think).
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa. Going for the trophy, I get it, and it's hard to fault Laudrup as he's obviously played it right now. At the time though, with six days between games, resting more than guys on yellows or injury risks seemed silly imo.
 
It was selfish of Dyer and unfortunate because there has been more focus on this incident than Swansea's dismantling of Bradford. Swansea's ball movement was clinical. I realize it was against a lower tier club but Swansea really put on a show.
A lot of people gave Swansea crap for resting half their side in a relatively meaningless game against Liverpool but I think they would do it a 1000 times over to have a 5-0 EPL loss coupled with a 5-0 League Cup Final win to give them their first trophy ever and a ticket into next years Europa League (first time in Europe in 20 years I think).
:goodposting: I hadn't noticed the symmetry there.
 
It was selfish of Dyer and unfortunate because there has been more focus on this incident than Swansea's dismantling of Bradford. Swansea's ball movement was clinical. I realize it was against a lower tier club but Swansea really put on a show.
A lot of people gave Swansea crap for resting half their side in a relatively meaningless game against Liverpool but I think they would do it a 1000 times over to have a 5-0 EPL loss coupled with a 5-0 League Cup Final win to give them their first trophy ever and a ticket into next years Europa League (first time in Europe in 20 years I think).
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa.
I disagree. Lets say the three points they gave up(and one could easily argue the 3 points was less than certain being on the road even if they started a full team) make a difference of one spot in the table at the end of the season. Where Swansea is in the table that will mean a difference of about 1 million pounds in prize money. The money they will make off of marketing their first trophy ever, along with possible multiple home games in the Europa League, along with any possible money they make in prize money for the Europa League, will be significantly higher than the difference of a spot or two in the final EPL table.
 
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa.
Is this true? Of course nothing to say that Swansea would have won at Liverpool in any event. At best a full strength lineup would only have improved their odds.
 
I've read multiple times that there's no money made until the knockout rounds in Europa. Bradford were ready to turn down the Europa league if they won, because they couldn't afford to play in it and not make it out of the groups. Quite possible that the 3 points the Swans lost to Liverpool don't effect their place, but it just seemed so drastic at the time.

 
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Whoever is announcing the City/Chelsea game is without a doubt the worst soccer announcer I have ever heard.

I would rather listen to the feed in Spanish where I can probably only pickup one out of every 7-10 words, than listen to this guy. Besides the fact he obviously has little to no soccer knowledge, his crescendo with every half chance or opportunity is the worst. :X
That guy was horrible. I had to mute it. The British guy sounded so measured and calm compared to that buffoon.
I hate Gus, can't stand his excitement at the wrong times. Milner down the side AND HE PUTS A CROSS INTO THE BOX and the ball just misses it's taget*.

:wall: :wall:

*the ball landed on the other side of the 18 away from anyone.
I'm OK with them trying new things in order to connect to casual watchers a bit more. I'm sure it will take him some time to adapt.
The casual viewer isn't waking up at 7:30 a.m. on a Sunday morning to watch a Week 27 BPL matchup, no matter who the teams might be.
Correct. That's why he's practicing before they begin watching. He'll be announcing the FA Cup final on big boy Fox. I hope he's ready.
Let him practice somewhere else. He's ####### up my enjoyment of the games.
The game yesterday was very hard for me to enjoy regardless, but Gus really was terrible. His only good moments are the goals and the PK save. Lee Dixon might be decent with a competent partner but he is horrible with Johnson. I didn't think I'd miss Darke and Maca so much. Is it true Ray Hudson is doing games on beIN?

 
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa.
Is this true?
It all depends on how Swansea does in the Europa League, but unless they get knocked out immediately, the Europa League prize money plus home game revenues will be significantly higher than what the prize money difference is between 1 or 2 spots in the EPLHere is the Europa League Money breakdownFirst qualifying round: €100,000Second qualifying round: €100,000Third qualifying round: €100,000Play-off round: €100,000Base fee for group stage: €1,300,000Group match victory: €200,000Group match draw: €100,000Group winners: €400,000Group runners-up: €200,000Round of 32: €200,000Round of 16: €350,000Quarter-finals: €450,000Semi-finals: €1,000,000Losing finalist: €2,500,000Winners: €5,000,000Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current dataMy link
 
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa.
Is this true?
It all depends on how Swansea does in the Europa League, but unless they get knocked out immediately, the Europa League prize money plus home game revenues will be significantly higher than what the prize money difference is between 1 or 2 spots in the EPLHere is the Europa League Money breakdownFirst qualifying round: €100,000Second qualifying round: €100,000Third qualifying round: €100,000Play-off round: €100,000Base fee for group stage: €1,300,000Group match victory: €200,000Group match draw: €100,000Group winners: €400,000Group runners-up: €200,000Round of 32: €200,000Round of 16: €350,000Quarter-finals: €450,000Semi-finals: €1,000,000Losing finalist: €2,500,000Winners: €5,000,000Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current dataMy link
I imagine they will do well with the home games as well.
 
Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current data
Big difference between a few years ago and this season, especially this season leading into next year. There's a massive bump in TV money coming. Promotion/relegation has never been more about money. #QPRbye
 
there's more money to be made in finishing order in the EPL this year than likely what Swansea will see next year in Europa.
Is this true?
It all depends on how Swansea does in the Europa League, but unless they get knocked out immediately, the Europa League prize money plus home game revenues will be significantly higher than what the prize money difference is between 1 or 2 spots in the EPLHere is the Europa League Money breakdownFirst qualifying round: €100,000Second qualifying round: €100,000Third qualifying round: €100,000Play-off round: €100,000Base fee for group stage: €1,300,000Group match victory: €200,000Group match draw: €100,000Group winners: €400,000Group runners-up: €200,000Round of 32: €200,000Round of 16: €350,000Quarter-finals: €450,000Semi-finals: €1,000,000Losing finalist: €2,500,000Winners: €5,000,000Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current dataMy link
I imagine they will do well with the home games as well.
Yeah, the home game revenue is obviously going to be great. These games are money makers because anyone who is on a yearly salary tied to the club basically works these games at no added cost. Just pure extra revenue with relatively low overhead.
 
Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current data
Big difference between a few years ago and this season, especially this season leading into next year. There's a massive bump in TV money coming. Promotion/relegation has never been more about money. #QPRbye
I haven't looked at this in awhile, so I could be wrong, but I think most, if not all, of the TV money is split evenly.
 
Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current data
Big difference between a few years ago and this season, especially this season leading into next year. There's a massive bump in TV money coming. Promotion/relegation has never been more about money. #QPRbye
You are mixing things up. The TV money gets distributed evenly. The final placement in the tables is where they differentiate the money. http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/
Every club got £13,788,093 as an equal share of domestic TV income, plus £18,764,644m as an equal share of foreign TV income. The Premier League’s income from overseas TV rights alone 2010-13 inclusive was £1.437bn (£439m a year). Rights are now up for auction for 2013-16.
 
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Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current data
Big difference between a few years ago and this season, especially this season leading into next year. There's a massive bump in TV money coming. Promotion/relegation has never been more about money. #QPRbye
You are mixing things up. The TV money gets distributed evenly. The final placement in the tables is where they differentiate the money. http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/
Every club got £13,788,093 as an equal share of domestic TV income, plus £18,764,644m as an equal share of foreign TV income. The Premier League’s income from overseas TV rights alone 2010-13 inclusive was £1.437bn (£439m a year). Rights are now up for auction for 2013-16.
Gatchya, yeah I was getting them confused.
 
Here is the EPL breakdown from a couple of seasons ago. It was roughly 800k difference per spot in the final table. This may have changed but I could not find more current data
Big difference between a few years ago and this season, especially this season leading into next year. There's a massive bump in TV money coming. Promotion/relegation has never been more about money. #QPRbye
You are mixing things up. The TV money gets distributed evenly. The final placement in the tables is where they differentiate the money. http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/
Every club got £13,788,093 as an equal share of domestic TV income, plus £18,764,644m as an equal share of foreign TV income. The Premier League’s income from overseas TV rights alone 2010-13 inclusive was £1.437bn (£439m a year). Rights are now up for auction for 2013-16.
Gatchya, yeah I was getting them confused.
Your point about QPR is still very valid to the discussion.Had Swansea been near the relegation zone, instead of comfortably in mid table, I don't see any way they throw away those points even if chasing their first trophy.It was their position of not being worried about relegation and not really in the running for a CL spot that allowed them to take the easy path IMO. Just good timing I guess.
 
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My Atleti are still perfect 13-0-0 at home this year in la liga. Still 4 points up on RM and 12 back from Barcelona. Ho hum. 13 more games to go.
There is always talk of them as sellers. Any chance they become spenders (and keepers of their own players) with a CL spot locked up?
One can only hope. I don't see them competing with the wages of RM and FCB any time soon. The TV contracts and backing of the Spanish banks keep those teams head and shoulders above the rest. That doesn't mean that AM can't be a perennial #3 in the league for wages, and a good home for those that don't want to play for RM and FCB. With good luck, good coaching, and some implosion of other teams, they could make runs to #2 or challenge for the title. Much like an Arsenal or Spurs.
 
I 100% think Swansea did the right thing. If they were on the cusp of a CL berth or something, the math changes drastically, but right now the chances of them finishing 5th or better (or 18th and lower) are miniscule. Winning the League Cup raises their profile (especially via putting on a clinic vs. Gryffyndor). Playing in the Europa will raise their profile. Whether they finish 8th or 9th or 10th, nobody's even going to remember a year from now.

 
I didn't see the Chelsea game. I didn't find much wrong with Gus' call in the RM/Man U game. In fact, I thought Barton was more obviously overwhelmed as a color guy. Then again, I find Martin Tyler somnambulatory. I also imagine Gus' prep was a little better for the CL game.

 
I'm not sure whether to be excited that Bale keeps driving up his price, or depressed with the reality that he will be gone in a year or two. Probably the latter.

 
I never noticed the constant rhetorical questions until you guys pointed it out, now I can't get past it. It's so annoying. Thanks #####.

 
Nice piece from Jeff Bradley(Mikey's uncle) remembering the bad old days in MLS

No scandal, just a lot of fixingLet the record show, that I'm one of those guys who's been proposing ways to "fix" Major League Soccer since, oh, 1998. I think I've done it in a loving, kind way. But I've been one of those guys.It was in 1998 that I went from working for the MetroStars (I was that club's original PR director) to working for ESPN The Magazine. My two years with the MetroStars were pretty frustrating, mostly because we were short-staffed and overworked and we played in Giants Stadium. And, I spent the better part of my days with the club trying to convince people to cover us.It was humorous, at times. At least it was humorous in the rearview mirror. I remember a reporter from El Diario (the New York Spanish-language daily) telling me the paper wanted to travel with us. I was thrilled, until I found out that the reporter thought we'd pick up his travel expenses.I remember papers assigning older desk guys to our team. They'd call the day before a game and ask if I could gather some quotes for them for their previews. I'd say, "How about I get you Tab Ramos or Tony Meola or Peter Vermes on the phone and you can ask the questions?"The usual reply was, "No, you can just get me a few quotes."I was a journalist, well, at least at the time I was a former journalist, and it infuriated me.I remember we traveled to Kansas City in 1996 for a game with playoff implications. Tab got a red card when he raced the length of the field to get in the ref's face. We lost the game and the team was rightly livid with Tab, who stood in the lockerroom after the game, ready to fall on his own sword before the press. Tab was ready, willing and able to take the blame for what he'd done.The problem was the one writer assigned to cover the team did not bother to talk to him. In the airport, I couldn't help myself. I called the editor of the paper and asked, "Did your writer talk to Tab? Because that's kind of the story tonight." When the editor said, "No, I don't see any quotes from Tab."I told the editor that it wasn't too late, that I was at the airport with the writer and would arrange an airport terminal interview. I told Tab to go talk to the writer, which Tab did. I think the writer was actually mad at me, because he had to re-write his story. Or at least he had to add quotes to it.So when I went to The Mag, I basically took it upon myself to cover the league the way I felt it needed to be covered, replete with rumors and lockerroom buzz and controversy. I did it on-line, in a weekly column (they had not yet come up with the word "blog") called "The Boot Room."I made friends and enemies around the league. I even got into a few pretty good fights with my brother (he once interrupted a round of golf to yell at me about writing that his goalkeeper Jonny Walker had "made a meal out of" a foul).It was a labor of love, The Boot Room, and it led to some brief work on television as the John Clayton/Peter Gammons-esque guy on something called "MLS Extra Time.'I was brutal on television, oh well. I think the hardcore fans liked it. That was my first attempt to "fix" MLS. Later on, at the Mag, I called for the entire league to re-brand. Going back to my days with the MetroStars, I felt MLS got it wrong to start, with goofy uniforms and even goofier team names and logos/badges/etc. I actually remember getting into pretty loud arguments with folks at the MetroStars."You get the chance to create something iconic, like the Yankees interlocking 'NY' and we come up with this (the original MetroStars crest)?" I was told it was "cool" basically because Nike had designed it. Now, I love Nike as much as the next guy. But let the record snow that none of the original Nike-inspired MLS logos from 1996 are still around. None. Of course, adidas outfits the whole league now, but that's beside the point.I've also criticized the league's playoff various playoff formats. I've argued not for things like single-table or promotion-relegation, but simply for making the regular season conference championships put a team on the cusp of playing in MLS Cup. I basically want the winners of the regular season conference championships to host a one-game semifinal. Follow me?So, I've been that guy. However, there's a "but..."I've been that guy, but I've always been critical of MLS because I love the league and everything about it. And, truth be told, in the 16 years that have gone by since I walked away from the MetroStars, MLS has done things more incredible than I would have ever thought possible. The stadiums, the fans, the sights and sounds of MLS games, have come a long way.I've never bashed the "level of play" because I don't consider myself "expert enough" to criticize things like the level of play. I mean, I watch as much English Premier League, Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga as the next guy, and I see great games and I see crap games. How's that for analysis?But MLS, as much as I've tried to "fix" it, is my league. Even the last two years, as I was pushed back into baseball full-time, I'm always sitting down with my coffee in the morning to watch the highlight packages. On the nights when I wasn't working at a ballpark, I was often watching MLS games.Oh yeah, did I mention that a lot of reporters are getting after it these days? From the guys who've been there since the beginning like Michael Lewis and Steven Goff, to a cast of young and hungry reporters who are bringing it on a daily (even hourly) basis. Makes my heart feel good.The 18th season of MLS starts this weekend.Obviously, I realize at this point the league doesn't need much fixing. Just don't hate me for trying.It's kind of who I am.
 

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