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Nice piece from Grantland on Southampton

The Desolation of Southampton

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-desolation-of-southampton/
One thing I think is insane about Euro football is how short a rope managers are often given. Average tenure in PL is somewhere around 21 months and it's one of the more stable leagues over there. I think it's pretty important that Catharina and Kreuger give Koeman a realistic chance to put something together out of who's left and who they can bring in. Staying up and being better in April than they will be in August is a realistic goal IMO.

 
Here's a piece from the Guardian that made me think about future battles for the soccer consumer dollar. It's hard to evaluate the meaning of the big crowds for the international teams currently touring the US and playing what are essentially friendlies -- is it a one off thing, a chance to see world class players in person, or is there a genuine desire and willingness to pony up the funds necessary to build a few Man Us and Barcelonas of our own?

Andy may not like this viewpoint but I think the Big 3 Euro leagues are primed to pressure MLS's American-style even-steven franchise model, which may not be capable of producing the billion dollar clubs that may be possible to develop here under another system. The mechanics of how all that could shake down escape me but I think we're in for some very interesting times from a business standpoint.

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.
Before the game they said Green picked up a knock. No need to put him out there with those criminals if he's not 100% fit.

 
I don't think that these preseason tours auger anything more than the preseason tours in Asia or South Africa or Australia.

They are great sources of revenue for global brands in the FFP era, but they don't really have much effect on MLS, IMO.

North America once had a global soccer brand. Despite all the jokes about the NASL, the Cosmos beat Benfica. They beat Juventus at one time. Beckenbauer came to them as European footballer of the year and went to Hamburg to instantly win the Budesliga again when he left. The Cosmos were probably, at their peak, one of the 20 best clubs in the world. But America didn't have an infrastructure with 100s of professional soccer teams, so the Cosmos could draw 50,000 people a game while the league died around it.

Decades from now, there may be a North American super club or two. But that can't happen until there are a bunch of very stable franchises that aren't super clubs for them to play.

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.
Green's dad tweeted that he'll play the MLSers, but Carlyle also tweeted that Pep only expects to give Green maybe 20 minutes tops in that game too. I was interested to see that Scholl kid, who is one year younger than Green, who looks to be just about as good a prospect.

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.
Green's dad tweeted that he'll play the MLSers, but Carlyle also tweeted that Pep only expects to give Green maybe 20 minutes tops in that game too. I was interested to see that Scholl kid, who is one year younger than Green, who looks to be just about as good a prospect.
My Bavarian friend has been raving about Lucas Scholl for years - son of Bayern legend Mehmet Scholl. Other nepotistic current names in the Bayern youth academy are Steven Ribery and Gianluca Gaudino.

 
Weird that Everton spent £28M on Origi's backup
Great piece of business for Martinez. No sense in a great striker wasting away on the bench at Chelsea - he belongs in my a starting line-up....now go tell Rodgers to sign Reus before he heads off to ManU or Bayern.
It's going to be interesting to see what else they do. They've spent 28M and still have a smaller squad than last season. They need about 4-5 more players to cope with Europa and start in the top 6
Atsu! *

*gesundheit
This looks like a done deal (loan), for those still drafting ...

 
Weird that Everton spent £28M on Origi's backup
Great piece of business for Martinez. No sense in a great striker wasting away on the bench at Chelsea - he belongs in my a starting line-up....now go tell Rodgers to sign Reus before he heads off to ManU or Bayern.
It's going to be interesting to see what else they do. They've spent 28M and still have a smaller squad than last season. They need about 4-5 more players to cope with Europa and start in the top 6
Atsu! *

*gesundheit
This looks like a done deal (loan), for those still drafting ...
Shhhhh!

 
Weird that Everton spent £28M on Origi's backup
Great piece of business for Martinez. No sense in a great striker wasting away on the bench at Chelsea - he belongs in my a starting line-up....now go tell Rodgers to sign Reus before he heads off to ManU or Bayern.
It's going to be interesting to see what else they do. They've spent 28M and still have a smaller squad than last season. They need about 4-5 more players to cope with Europa and start in the top 6
Atsu! *

*gesundheit
This looks like a done deal (loan), for those still drafting ...
Shhhhh!
I considered this several rounds back, but I'm not convinced he will be a regular starter.

 
I don't pretend that there are any surprises out there. We all read the same stuff.
:goodposting:

The only thing that I think happens is fans of certain teams get their news sooner than those who don't follow every single teams transfers. By the time I see some news on a new Chelsea rumour, Cleat has probably already added him to his FIFA team and played a few games

 
I don't pretend that there are any surprises out there. We all read the same stuff.
Atsu's been highly likely to play in England since this past summer, when it became apparent that he would have no work permit issues due to being a Ghana regular. The difficulty with him is that a search for "Atsu" on twitter brings up mostly Asian porny looking stuff. He'll probably be second choice anyway.

 
Some rumors about Kagawa getting sold to Atlético for 17m€. Thoughts from the United faithful on Kagawa leaving? I always liked his play and he's versetile with a good motor. Could be a good fit and with all the games, he could be in a rotation with Arda, Griezmann, Koke, and Raúl García.

 
Not sure I would categorize Kagawa with a great motor in the likes of Park. He is a more central midfielder, play maker. Dangerous in attack, so-so defensively. Has not seem to find his niche at all at ManUnited after a fantastic run at Dortmund.

I thought he'd fit in perfectly, but has not made much impact.

United need to sell/loan out some midfielders, think Nani, Fellaini and Kagawa may be most desirable options.

I'd like to see Kagawa get more of an opportunity at United, but he's had a few years and not much to show for it. If United can recoup 17m euros would be decent enough as they've already shown they are looking to chase bigger fish.

And for some unGodly reason they keep wanting to give Cleverly playing time. :X

 
I don't pretend that there are any surprises out there. We all read the same stuff.
Atsu's been highly likely to play in England since this past summer, when it became apparent that he would have no work permit issues due to being a Ghana regular. The difficulty with him is that a search for "Atsu" on twitter brings up mostly Asian porny looking stuff. He'll probably be second choice anyway.
:lmao:

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.
Green's dad tweeted that he'll play the MLSers, but Carlyle also tweeted that Pep only expects to give Green maybe 20 minutes tops in that game too. I was interested to see that Scholl kid, who is one year younger than Green, who looks to be just about as good a prospect.
My Bavarian friend has been raving about Lucas Scholl for years - son of Bayern legend Mehmet Scholl. Other nepotistic current names in the Bayern youth academy are Steven Ribery and Gianluca Gaudino.
I was surprised as well that he left those two out as long as he did. With Ribery missing the WC with injury he may just be trying to build him back to strength. With Lewandowski he might just want him playing as much time in the system.I heard the same thing with Green. No need to rush him in.

It's crazy to have watched Bayern long enough to have seen a player like Scholl, then have them run on his son.

 
Former Brazilian international Ronaldinho is reportedly close to joining US Major League Soccer (MLS) club New York Red Bulls.

The 34-year-old's brother and agent Roberto Assis has been in talks with Red Bulls officials about salary and conditions, according to the Uol news portal, reports Xinhua.

Under MLS rules, clubs are allowed three marquee players who are exempt from salary cap rules.

New York currently have two marquee players - former France forward Thierry Henry and Australian Tim Cahill.

Ronaldinho terminated his contract with Atletico Mineiro earlier this week after more than two years with the Brazilian club.
SRSLY?

 
It was nice to see Bayern giving their younger players some playing time last night. Just lose the blue stripes.
I was surprised Pep left Ribery and Lewa in for so long, and a bit disappointed he didn't give Green any time. Agree on the jerseys, they are a bit hard on the eyes.
Before the game they said Green picked up a knock. No need to put him out there with those criminals if he's not 100% fit.
THIS

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.
To be clear, they're not linked with him. I've heard Athletico and I've heard Dortmund. I haven't heard much at all about smaller teams. Not even Southampton, who you'd think have a place for him and the money to get it done.

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.
To be clear, they're not linked with him. I've heard Athletico and I've heard Dortmund. I haven't heard much at all about smaller teams. Not even Southampton, who you'd think have a place for him and the money to get it done.
yeah- I understood you were projectimicating.

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.
To be clear, they're not linked with him. I've heard Athletico and I've heard Dortmund. I haven't heard much at all about smaller teams. Not even Southampton, who you'd think have a place for him and the money to get it done.
Really? It's not that hard. No "h" but an "o" on the end for the team from Madrid. Yes, "h" for the team from Bilbao, but no "o".

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.
To be clear, they're not linked with him. I've heard Athletico and I've heard Dortmund. I haven't heard much at all about smaller teams. Not even Southampton, who you'd think have a place for him and the money to get it done.
Really? It's not that hard. No "h" but an "o" on the end for the team from Madrid. Yes, "h" for the team from Bilbao, but no "o".
My link

Err, that doesn't appear to be working. But it would have been a HI-larious picture of a Midol box.

 
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I think the plan with United was to have Kagawa play in an attacking central midfield role with RvP/Rooney up top.

Didn't work out great, and Rooney was much better playing back a bit.

Tried pushing Kagawa out wide, with out much success either.

United brought in Mata and he's filled in much better in that role, and Kagawa is odd man out.

I don't think Januzaj is ahead of him in the pecking order, and United are content playing him out on a wing when need be....but, yeah, Kagawa needs to move on.

I think he'd be perfect back at Dortmund even with Mkithyarin there, they'd coexist brillaintly with EMB and Reus on the wings

Probably would do well at Atletico too, although I don't watch near as much la liga, and they have obviously had quite a bit of turnover there.

Either way, United would be well served at the very least to try to slash some salary. They are paying tons of money to Young, Nani, Fellaini, Kagawa - each make like 80+k/week. If they can get money back for transfer budget, even better. They are paying 500k/week for RvP and Rooney, even though finances not a huge issue there, if they fail to make europe again, will be all the more tougher to bring in more players without having to overspend on salaries.

 
How did Kagawa play at Dortmund? As a #10 or did he have more slots. I always assumed he was a capable winger as well as a #10. Koke is slated to move to that spot, with Arda and Greizmann playing on the wings. Some depth here could be nice, but if Kagawa is only capable of playing as a centrally placed #10, then that depth isn's as useful.

 
The problem with Kagawa, IMO, is exactly what LVG says it is. The guy is a #10 (and at Man U there are three #10s ahead of him in Mata, Rooney, and Januzaj). I don't think he's versatile at all. He's wasted on the flank, and only Sir Alex even really tried him there. I keep hearing Dortmund would take him back, but they already have Mkhitrayan in that position too. Shinji should go to a place that needs a 10. Sunderland almost seems too obvious.
black cats make sense.
To be clear, they're not linked with him. I've heard Athletico and I've heard Dortmund. I haven't heard much at all about smaller teams. Not even Southampton, who you'd think have a place for him and the money to get it done.
Really? It's not that hard. No "h" but an "o" on the end for the team from Madrid. Yes, "h" for the team from Bilbao, but no "o".
My link

Err, that doesn't appear to be working. But it would have been a HI-larious picture of a Midol box.
I cut you some slack on the accent marks, but that's about it.

 
How did Kagawa play at Dortmund? As a #10 or did he have more slots. I always assumed he was a capable winger as well as a #10. Koke is slated to move to that spot, with Arda and Greizmann playing on the wings. Some depth here could be nice, but if Kagawa is only capable of playing as a centrally placed #10, then that depth isn's as useful.
He was a 10. When Sir Alex played him on the wing, Klopp was quoted as saying that "it broke his heart" seeing Shinji played out of position.

 
Enrique's apparently talking about Barca rolling in a 3-5-2 next year.

Alves has been told to beat it. :pickle: Enrique's after Cuadrado to replace him.
Neymar -- Messi

Iniesta

Alba Cuadrado

Sergio Rakitic

Matthieu - Pique - Bartra

:excited:
Switched to what I would do, obviously landing Cuadrado is still a big if. I would use Masch a lot to kill off games where they have the lead, subbing him in for Rakitic, or one of the three guys up top and moving Rakitic/Xavi up. And obviously you have one of Messi, Suarez, Iniesta, and Neymar coming off the bench, but that can be valuable if you just let one of those guys go full-bore at a tired defense with 20 min left in a tie game.

The downside is that it's hard enough to shoehorn all of their attacking talent into a 4-3-3, nevermind a 3-5-2. The upside is that we're that much closer to converting noted 3-5-2 fetishist Ramsay Hunt Experience into a Barca supporter. And still, we need another CB.

 
Realistically, it might be a nice "plan b" for some specific matchups, but there are a lot of problems with going away with the formation that a lot of these players have been playing in, together, for many years now.

 
Enrique's apparently talking about Barca rolling in a 3-5-2 next year.

Alves has been told to beat it. :pickle: Enrique's after Cuadrado to replace him.
Neymar -- Messi

Iniesta

Alba Cuadrado

Sergio Rakitic

Matthieu - Pique - Bartra

:excited:
Switched to what I would do, obviously landing Cuadrado is still a big if. I would use Masch a lot to kill off games where they have the lead, subbing him in for Rakitic, or one of the three guys up top and moving Rakitic/Xavi up. And obviously you have one of Messi, Suarez, Iniesta, and Neymar coming off the bench, but that can be valuable if you just let one of those guys go full-bore at a tired defense with 20 min left in a tie game.

The downside is that it's hard enough to shoehorn all of their attacking talent into a 4-3-3, nevermind a 3-5-2. The upside is that we're that much closer to converting noted 3-5-2 fetishist Ramsay Hunt Experience into a Barca supporter. And still, we need another CB.
A lot of flexibility here.

 
Enrique's apparently talking about Barca rolling in a 3-5-2 next year.

Alves has been told to beat it. :pickle: Enrique's after Cuadrado to replace him.
Neymar -- Messi

Iniesta

Alba Cuadrado

Sergio Rakitic

Matthieu - Pique - Bartra

:excited:
The downside is that it's hard enough to shoehorn all of their attacking talent into a 4-3-3, nevermind a 3-5-2. The upside is that we're that much closer to converting noted 3-5-2 fetishist Ramsay Hunt Experience into a Barca supporter. And still, we need another CB.
I think the LVG style 3-4-3 is a better fit, in truth. Not much different than the first formation that had Messi in the AM position. But it's a big change in style. Much more direct. I don't know if I've seen a formation like that (that often bypasses the middle of the field) used by such a possession heavy team. The forward line interchange would be an absolute nightmare for defenses, though.

I also have to admit that I don't really understand the idea between replacing Alves with Cuadrado. I'm not sure that Alves is really any worse in a system that minimizes his defensive responsibilities.

 
Enrique's apparently talking about Barca rolling in a 3-5-2 next year.

Alves has been told to beat it. :pickle: Enrique's after Cuadrado to replace him.
Neymar -- Messi

Iniesta

Alba Cuadrado

Sergio Rakitic

Matthieu - Pique - Bartra

:excited:
The downside is that it's hard enough to shoehorn all of their attacking talent into a 4-3-3, nevermind a 3-5-2. The upside is that we're that much closer to converting noted 3-5-2 fetishist Ramsay Hunt Experience into a Barca supporter. And still, we need another CB.
I think the LVG style 3-4-3 is a better fit, in truth. Not much different than the first formation that had Messi in the AM position. But it's a big change in style. Much more direct. I don't know if I've seen a formation like that (that often bypasses the middle of the field) used by such a possession heavy team. The forward line interchange would be an absolute nightmare for defenses, though.

I also have to admit that I don't really understand the idea between replacing Alves with Cuadrado. I'm not sure that Alves is really any worse in a system that minimizes his defensive responsibilities.
I personally don't think he's very good offensively, at least not in Barca's system. He often seemed to have really bad spacing with Alexis, who'd typically be occupying the same area of real estate on the field.

His crossing never really seemed to be that accurate or incisive, and he lacks the skill to break players down. He also gave away possession too easily.

I agree that a 3-fullback system is ideal for him, but that might give him even further license to shirk his responsibilities.

 
So my stepson is on the way to Mexico City to visit his dad's family, and they had a stopover in Houston. He just sent me a great picture of himself with Carlos Valderrama in the airport.

 
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