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CletiusMaximus said:
"Over the last seven years [united] have made total operating profits of £457 million (including £148 million from player sales), which have been totally wiped out by net financing costs of £460 million."

The Swiss Ramble does MUFC. As expected, outstanding revenue generation is still being largely funneled to LBO fees and debt service. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/09/manchester-united-what-difference-does.html
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That's a massive article, I skimmed as much as I could but I'm not sure this is anything new, no? Ultimately, I've said that it's a non-issue as I maintain that if the Glazers get in trouble they can just sell and there's no doubt there would be buyers lining up. As a supporter my concern is whether the debt is impacting the teams chances at silverware. I can't say it does or doesn't, not sure anybody can. But, I'd say the biggest impact on the recent dip the last two years is SAF retiring and turning over an aging/not-as-talented side. I'm not sold on United winning the league this year but they look good for top-4 again and seem like a decent bet to be there at the end.

 
AAABatteries said:
CletiusMaximus said:
"Over the last seven years [united] have made total operating profits of £457 million (including £148 million from player sales), which have been totally wiped out by net financing costs of £460 million."

The Swiss Ramble does MUFC. As expected, outstanding revenue generation is still being largely funneled to LBO fees and debt service. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/09/manchester-united-what-difference-does.html
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That's a massive article, I skimmed as much as I could but I'm not sure this is anything new, no? Ultimately, I've said that it's a non-issue as I maintain that if the Glazers get in trouble they can just sell and there's no doubt there would be buyers lining up. As a supporter my concern is whether the debt is impacting the teams chances at silverware. I can't say it does or doesn't, not sure anybody can. But, I'd say the biggest impact on the recent dip the last two years is SAF retiring and turning over an aging/not-as-talented side. I'm not sold on United winning the league this year but they look good for top-4 again and seem like a decent bet to be there at the end.
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The article makes clear that United's strength in revenue creation can compensate for the debt. But it also stresses that if United had been owned by a group that was equally adept at the commercial side (maybe that's an unfair assumption, but Man U is one of the strongest brands in the world), without all the leverage, then United would be in a class above even Chelsea and City. Because neither of those clubs can generate the revenue that United can.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
AAABatteries said:
CletiusMaximus said:
"Over the last seven years [united] have made total operating profits of £457 million (including £148 million from player sales), which have been totally wiped out by net financing costs of £460 million."

The Swiss Ramble does MUFC. As expected, outstanding revenue generation is still being largely funneled to LBO fees and debt service. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/09/manchester-united-what-difference-does.html
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That's a massive article, I skimmed as much as I could but I'm not sure this is anything new, no? Ultimately, I've said that it's a non-issue as I maintain that if the Glazers get in trouble they can just sell and there's no doubt there would be buyers lining up. As a supporter my concern is whether the debt is impacting the teams chances at silverware. I can't say it does or doesn't, not sure anybody can. But, I'd say the biggest impact on the recent dip the last two years is SAF retiring and turning over an aging/not-as-talented side. I'm not sold on United winning the league this year but they look good for top-4 again and seem like a decent bet to be there at the end.
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The article makes clear that United's strength in revenue creation can compensate for the debt. But it also stresses that if United had been owned by a group that was equally adept at the commercial side (maybe that's an unfair assumption, but Man U is one of the strongest brands in the world), without all the leverage, then United would be in a class above even Chelsea and City. Because neither of those clubs can generate the revenue that United can.
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I think this is one main takeaway, and as AAA notes perhaps that is nothing new. I enjoy Swissramble's work, even admitting much of it either goes over my head or I just don't have the patience to fully digest it all. The earning power of the United brand is awesome, certainly the equal of if not superior to Real Madrid. The club is not exactly shying away from spending in recent years, but it is interesting to note the huge cut taken by the LBO debt service. Less clear perhaps are the management fees and other profits taken by the Glazers. I imagine those numbers are readily available, and expect it is a significant amount. So I agree that neither Chelsea nor City could compete within the confines of FFP, even if their owners were willing to advance essentially unlimited debt.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
AAABatteries said:
CletiusMaximus said:
"Over the last seven years [united] have made total operating profits of £457 million (including £148 million from player sales), which have been totally wiped out by net financing costs of £460 million."

The Swiss Ramble does MUFC. As expected, outstanding revenue generation is still being largely funneled to LBO fees and debt service. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/09/manchester-united-what-difference-does.html
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That's a massive article, I skimmed as much as I could but I'm not sure this is anything new, no? Ultimately, I've said that it's a non-issue as I maintain that if the Glazers get in trouble they can just sell and there's no doubt there would be buyers lining up. As a supporter my concern is whether the debt is impacting the teams chances at silverware. I can't say it does or doesn't, not sure anybody can. But, I'd say the biggest impact on the recent dip the last two years is SAF retiring and turning over an aging/not-as-talented side. I'm not sold on United winning the league this year but they look good for top-4 again and seem like a decent bet to be there at the end.
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The article makes clear that United's strength in revenue creation can compensate for the debt. But it also stresses that if United had been owned by a group that was equally adept at the commercial side (maybe that's an unfair assumption, but Man U is one of the strongest brands in the world), without all the leverage, then United would be in a class above even Chelsea and City. Because neither of those clubs can generate the revenue that United can.
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What are you thoughts on whether any of that impacts their ability to win trophies? I think they were always in line for a dip after SAF left as he was such a massive figure AND he was holding things together with string and chewing gum. I still believe the only manager who could have come in and come remotely close to winning the league the next year was TSO and I'm not sure even he could have. And I don't say that to laud SAF, in fact, I think he made some poor personnel decisions (Pogba among many others) that hurt the talent at United. I don't know if that influenced his timing on retiring or not.

They tried to catch lightning in a bottle a 2nd time with Moyes and it backfired. But again, I don't necessarily see that as a financial failing.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Jaysus said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Willian is on the set-piece run of his life.
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https://streamable.com/8td0
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That was really nothing.
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Pretty sure Eephus was the first out of the gate with that one. I always remember who trumps me to the bad pun.
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Normally I would assume that Chelsea's supporters chant some version of this, but it does have more than one word.

 
I honestly can't believe what I'm watching. Some of the worst defending I've ever seen.

 
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Deluded Brendan ‏@DeludedBrendan 15m15 minutes ago

Poor performance from Arsenal tonight.

Although I'm sure Arsene Wenger will be happy.

They are 4th after all

:lol:

 
Had to chuckle at this rotoworld write-up:

This is not how Arsenal wanted to go into their Sunday match-up with league-leading Manchester United. What should have been a fairly simple task against the Greek side was complicated by sloppy defending and profligate attacking.
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:lol:

Drunk Kafka posts here, sober Kafka reports for rotoworld...

 
Was Cech hurt or something? Any particular reason you don't start him if he's not injured? He's a goalie, not a box to box midfielder that needs a rest.

 
The Z Machine said:
Was Cech hurt or something? Any particular reason you don't start him if he's not injured? He's a goalie, not a box to box midfielder that needs a rest.
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Petr Cech declared himself fit to face Olympiacos despite Arsene Wenger claiming £10m goalkeeper was injured

"The mystery behind Arsene Wenger's decision to leave out Petr Cech deepened on Wednesday morning when it emerged that the keeper was fit to start against Olympiacos.

Wenger claimed during a prickly exchange following Arsenal's disastrous 3-2 defeat in the Champions League that Cech was injured.

But Cech declared himself fit to play, despite a niggling calf injury that has been troubling him since before Arsenal's 5-2 victory at Leicester on Saturday.

Wenger claimed there are 'things you don't know about' during an emotional outburst following their second successive defeat in the Champions League.

Cech reported the problem to Arsenal's medical team but it did not trouble him during their victory at the King Power Stadium and he wanted to face Olympiacos.

He was on the bench for Tuesday night's game and was instead replaced by Colombian keeper David Ospina.

After last season's victory in the FA Cup final Wenger claimed Ospina was the best keeper in the league, but he still went on to sign Cech from Chelsea.

Speaking after the game, Wenger refused to admit he made a mistake in selecting Ospina ahead of the former Chelsea man.

'To say I regret the decision is always the simple thing. No keeper is mistake-free, it could have happened to Petr Cech as well. That's part of it,' he said.

'Why did I make the decision? I don't give you why. I do not have to sit here and give you any explanation about every decision I make.

'You are capable to judge what I do and I leave you to that.

'I made the decisions and the selections for the team and I am responsible for them. And I know many things that you don't know. Or that you ignore.

'We cannot select the team by making a poll before the game and getting everybody's opinion.'



 
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Philly vs KC for the US Open Cup title tonight on ESPN2 at 7:00pm.

Winner gets a ticket to next years CCL.

Go Union! (it is time for that fan base to get some good news).

 
errr... not really up to the player to "declare himself fit", IMO. but if he's not fit, then he's not fit- why is he on the bench?

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
NewlyRetired said:
Philly vs KC for the US Open Cup title tonight on ESPN2 at 7:00pm.

Winner gets a ticket to next years CCL.

Go Union! (it is time for that fan base to get some good news).
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I'll be there to cheer on the Defending Finalists!

Step 1 (Take 2) towards being the first MLS side to hoist the Club World Cup :thumbup:
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:thumbup:

(I subconsciously started to type... :lmao... but caught myself)

love the lofty goals. wth not. as a neutral, I just can't ever find myself getting behind KC... but the lovable GK losers in Philly- damn skippy, I can get behind them. I would love for RBs to win this thing someday- gotta say, and it's probably my US sports "playoffs/tourney" mentality, but I prefer this piece of hardware over the Supporters Shield.

 
Manchester United and Chelsea have the ugliest fans in the Premier League, according to a new survey of football followers.

United fans are least attractive to supporters of other clubs, with one in 11 (nine per cent) refusing to date a Red Devil.

But Bournemouth and Southampton supporters are the best looking in the top flight, suggests the research.

Dating service, Match.com, quizzed more than 1,000 fans of top-flight clubs on which rival supporters they'd be prepared to be seen stepping out on a date with.

Bournemouth fans were seen as the league's most attractive, with more than half (58 per cent) of rivals saying they'd be happy to date a Cherries supporter.

:unsure:

 
CGRdrJoe said:
Manchester United and Chelsea have the ugliest fans in the Premier League, according to a new survey of football followers.

United fans are least attractive to supporters of other clubs, with one in 11 (nine per cent) refusing to date a Red Devil.

But Bournemouth and Southampton supporters are the best looking in the top flight, suggests the research.

Dating service, Match.com, quizzed more than 1,000 fans of top-flight clubs on which rival supporters they'd be prepared to be seen stepping out on a date with.

Bournemouth fans were seen as the league's most attractive, with more than half (58 per cent) of rivals saying they'd be happy to date a Cherries supporter.

:unsure:
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QPR, IMO.

 
El Floppo said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
NewlyRetired said:
Philly vs KC for the US Open Cup title tonight on ESPN2 at 7:00pm.

Winner gets a ticket to next years CCL.

Go Union! (it is time for that fan base to get some good news).
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I'll be there to cheer on the Defending Finalists!Step 1 (Take 2) towards being the first MLS side to hoist the Club World Cup :thumbup:
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:thumbup: (I subconsciously started to type... :lmao... but caught myself)

love the lofty goals. wth not. as a neutral, I just can't ever find myself getting behind KC... but the lovable GK losers in Philly- damn skippy, I can get behind them. I would love for RBs to win this thing someday- gotta say, and it's probably my US sports "playoffs/tourney" mentality, but I prefer this piece of hardware over the Supporters Shield.
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Hey I had lmao in my head as I was writing it out.But seriously the Union REALLY wants this thing bad. I'm totally convinced it's because there's extra allocation money for the winner, and more than anything, the Union :wub: 's them some extra GarberBux

 
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