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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I think the year it changed from the Champions Cup to the Champions League is a good spot since the two were so dramatically different in format.
So I would say 1992 is a good spot.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Completely spaced on that -- but it's perfect.
ETA... 1997/1998 is even better since that's the year runners-up were allowed to join the competition as well. Plus you get around the whole English ban and are post-Bosman by then as well.
ETA... 1997/1998 is even better since that's the year runners-up were allowed to join the competition as well. Plus you get around the whole English ban and are post-Bosman by then as well.
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GoFishTN
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Since the changes to the CL for 1997/1998...
By club (wins/runners-up):
Barcelona (4/0)
Real Madrid (4/0)
Bayern Munich (2/3)
Manchester United (2/2)
AC Milan (2/1)
Chelsea (1/1)
Liverpool (1/1)
Inter Milan (1/0)
Porto (1/0)
Juventus (0/3)
Valencia (0/2)
Arsenal (0/1)
Atletico Madrid (0/1)
Dortmund (0/1)
Leverkusen (0/1)
Monoco (0/1)
By nation (unique teams appearing in final - wins/runners-up):
Spain (4 - 8/3)
England (4 - 4/5)
Italy (3 - 3/4)
Germany (3 - 2/5)
Portugal (1 - 1/0)
France (1 - 0/1)
By club (wins/runners-up):
Barcelona (4/0)
Real Madrid (4/0)
Bayern Munich (2/3)
Manchester United (2/2)
AC Milan (2/1)
Chelsea (1/1)
Liverpool (1/1)
Inter Milan (1/0)
Porto (1/0)
Juventus (0/3)
Valencia (0/2)
Arsenal (0/1)
Atletico Madrid (0/1)
Dortmund (0/1)
Leverkusen (0/1)
Monoco (0/1)
By nation (unique teams appearing in final - wins/runners-up):
Spain (4 - 8/3)
England (4 - 4/5)
Italy (3 - 3/4)
Germany (3 - 2/5)
Portugal (1 - 1/0)
France (1 - 0/1)
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The Gator
Footballguy
I don't think Yaya and Zlatan overlapped. The 08-09 season with Eto'o/Henry/Messi was the best until recently.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This has me musing about a "modern era" Best XI.
Figure that Messi, both Ronaldos, and Zizou are locks.
After that, there are some really tough decisions.
Holding midfielder (Busquets, Makelele)?
A partner for Zizou (Schweinsteiger, Xavi, Scholes, Viera)
Center back (Puyol, Sergio Ramos, Cannavarro, Thuram, Desailles).
Fullbacks (Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Maldini, Thuram again).
Goalkeeper (Buffon, Iker, Oliver Kahn, Van Der Sar)
Jaysus
Good times!
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Vieira was one of the first that came to mind for me.
-------------------Buffon
Thuram, Ramos, Cannavaro, Roberto Carlos
------------------Busquets
------------Zidane--------Vieira
------Messi--------------------Ronaldo
------------------Ronaldo
-------------------Buffon
Thuram, Ramos, Cannavaro, Roberto Carlos
------------------Busquets
------------Zidane--------Vieira
------Messi--------------------Ronaldo
------------------Ronaldo
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I'd take Puyol over Sergio Ramos at CB. Roberto Carlos is a given at left back for me.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
that was 2 games ago, not this past weekends loss to Liverpool. No way he gets sacked with them still in a decent spot in the Champions league.I think he is fast wearing out his welcome. From a timing perspective, after the Stoke match makes sense as it leads into the international break - gives the new manager maximum time to prepare for the next match.
The Gator
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think the back four presents the toughest decisions.
Cafu won two World Cups and was runner-up in another. But he only won the Champions League once.
Roberto Carlos won three Champions League trophies. But he only won the World Cup once. And if you care about actual balance it would be hard to pair him with a best XI left wing.
Thuram won a World Cup, and European Championship, a World Cup runners up medal and a bunch of (revoked) Scudettos. But he was equally a CB and a RB. And he only has one Champions League runners up honor. Thuram is my favorite defender of all-time, so I'm biased.
Ramos is also split between RB and CB. He only has one Champions League trophy. But he has a World Cup and two European Championships.
Maldini is split between the pre-modern era (which was probably his prime) and the modern era. He also split between CB and LB. He doesn't have the World Cup. But he's probably the best pure defensive left back of all time and has five Champions League trophies.
Puyols has three Champions League trophies, a World Cup, and European Championship. He has more La Liga titles than I care to count.
But Cannavaro won the Ballon D'Or. He was player of the tournament in World Cup 06. No Champions League titles, though.
Cafu won two World Cups and was runner-up in another. But he only won the Champions League once.
Roberto Carlos won three Champions League trophies. But he only won the World Cup once. And if you care about actual balance it would be hard to pair him with a best XI left wing.
Thuram won a World Cup, and European Championship, a World Cup runners up medal and a bunch of (revoked) Scudettos. But he was equally a CB and a RB. And he only has one Champions League runners up honor. Thuram is my favorite defender of all-time, so I'm biased.
Ramos is also split between RB and CB. He only has one Champions League trophy. But he has a World Cup and two European Championships.
Maldini is split between the pre-modern era (which was probably his prime) and the modern era. He also split between CB and LB. He doesn't have the World Cup. But he's probably the best pure defensive left back of all time and has five Champions League trophies.
Puyols has three Champions League trophies, a World Cup, and European Championship. He has more La Liga titles than I care to count.
But Cannavaro won the Ballon D'Or. He was player of the tournament in World Cup 06. No Champions League titles, though.
GoFishTN
Footballguy
Him and Jan have been playing well together, unless I missed something.are we ####ed with Toby playing?Spurs starting line-upsurvivour pool
Toby and Jan, with Dier sitting in front of them have arguably been the best pairing in the league this season - joint low goals conceded.are we ####ed with Toby playing?Spurs starting line-upsurvivour pool
This is the 2nd new-manager bounce Spurs have faced this season - not sure the new guy is actually on the bench for AV today.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I did love the new AV manager in Ratatouille.
The Gator
Footballguy
Dier is the Portuguese kid, right?Toby and Jan, with Dier sitting in front of them have arguably been the best pairing in the league this season - joint low goals conceded.are we ####ed with Toby playing?Spurs starting line-upsurvivour pool
This is the 2nd new-manager bounce Spurs have faced this season - not sure the new guy is actually on the bench for AV today.
Or the English kid who trained in Portugal and isn't considered English anymore?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Good point about RC and the lack of balance, but this selection isn't about balance but rather smoking all others, and I think that I'd like to have RC's ridiculous left foot in play for my squad whenever possible.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Begs the question about who takes the free kicks on that squad though...
B Maverick
Footballguy
If this is the CL era then world cups wouldnt really matter. Its about who was best in the CL correct?
English kid - moved to Portugal as a young kid - signed to Sporting's academy - plays for England's U21, but does not count as a home-grown player in EPL.Dier is the Portuguese kid, right?Toby and Jan, with Dier sitting in front of them have arguably been the best pairing in the league this season - joint low goals conceded.are we ####ed with Toby playing?Spurs starting line-upsurvivour pool
This is the 2nd new-manager bounce Spurs have faced this season - not sure the new guy is actually on the bench for AV today.
Or the English kid who trained in Portugal and isn't considered English anymore?
One CL trophy, but he was absolutely massive in the run to La Decima both on defense and scoring.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Not in my exercise. Just the best players of this "era."B Maverick said:
The Gator
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Of the four key defenders Soton lost during transfer season or to injury, Toby's departure may have been the biggest loss. Virgil has plugged the gap to a large extent in a way that Yoshida couldn't but Toby was incredibly versatile and valuable for them last season. Heck, he played attacking midfield for a game or two when all the mids were hurt and he at least wasn't a Christiano Zouma Delofeu.Sinn Fein said:Toby and Jan, with Dier sitting in front of them have arguably been the best pairing in the league this season - joint low goals conceded.The Gator said:are we ####ed with Toby playing?Sinn Fein said:Spurs starting line-upThe Gator said:survivour pool
This is the 2nd new-manager bounce Spurs have faced this season - not sure the new guy is actually on the bench for AV today.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
He is not the most popular guy with the fan base over there. And Howard isn't doing much better with Everton fans recently. I'm not sure either are long for this world as first choice EPL GKs.
Eephus
Footballguy
RIP Brian Lomax, an unsung hero of the modern game. Bournemouth, Swansea, FC United and the Dons among others, owe him a great debt.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/02/brian-lomax-death-supporters-direct-northampton-town
El Floppo
Footballguy
interesting to hear.
Guzan has had some games where he's single handedly kept them around with crazy reflex saves.
but then a bit of not so much too.
Howard... don't see all the games, but I feel like he's not making as many of the tough saves the way he used to. Too many shots are going in- even though they're decent shots, IMO. I do feel like both have gotten tactically much better with age controlling the box, even if Guzan is still horrendous with distribution.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Shot stopping just isn't enough at the top level anymore.
Guzan's distribution has gotten him in trouble a lot recently. Its always been his Achilles heel, but it now seems to have reached a critical mass.
For Howard, the narrative is that he's as good a shot stopper as he's ever been, but that he's really stopped commanding his six yard box. Both goals against Arsenal could probably have been attributed to his timidity. I'm in the minority in that I think his shot stopping has declined. One thing I've noticed about Howard is a troubling tendency to commit to a save too early. He did it against Portugal in the World Cup where he went to ground before Nani even shot. I've seen it a few times this year. You have to stay big and not guess. Make the attacker beat you.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I read this on BS. It relates to how Sepp can remain president with out even being on the ballot. It is frightening to think how easy this might be 
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First, if no one gets over 50% of the vote then there is no winner. No winner = Sepp staying.
Second, the rules allow any single delegate to move from the floor that the election be cancelled. This will be followed by a secret ballot. If 50% of the delegates vote to cancel, the election will not go forward. No election = Sepp stays
There's actually a third trap door, which is that if there's only one candidate - ie if only one guy gets past the background check - then the vote will be a yes or no on that one person alone. No 50% or more and, yes Sepp stays.
In other words, Sepp can win without being on the ballot.
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First, if no one gets over 50% of the vote then there is no winner. No winner = Sepp staying.
Second, the rules allow any single delegate to move from the floor that the election be cancelled. This will be followed by a secret ballot. If 50% of the delegates vote to cancel, the election will not go forward. No election = Sepp stays
There's actually a third trap door, which is that if there's only one candidate - ie if only one guy gets past the background check - then the vote will be a yes or no on that one person alone. No 50% or more and, yes Sepp stays.
In other words, Sepp can win without being on the ballot.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
If we're using the 97-98 season as the beginning of the modern era, not much of Lothar's CV qualifies. Even if we use the 92 season that Andy suggests we're cutting off his best year.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
I was just thinking Saturday how much Cech adds to Arsenal beyond stopping shots. I'm developing more of an appreciation for organizing the defense, providing a calming influence and not smoking during the game.
El Floppo
Footballguy
They were not good.
But I think he needed at least the start of next season to work with them
