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shader said:
Manchester United have a tough set of games on the horizon.  Their mini-resurgence (on the back of some easy games) is fools gold.  Ole is gonna be under serious pressure the next time they hit a tough run of form as the media will start the Poch to United rumors pretty soon.
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12/4 United hosts Tottenham

 
January transfer window: Jose swaps Ericsson for Matic and calls China to bring in the  :fro:

After years of playing well for the seemingly happy and smiling Poch,  the Spurs players stopped playing well for sour Poch, and they think dark & miserable Jose is going to make it better?

 
I think this sums it up well:

We pour one out for Mauricio and look ahead to the Littlefinger Tottenham-era in which "Chaos is a Ladder."

 
Kafka said:
Does anyone know what happened to @Sebowski?   I sense an Anglo-Saxon conspiracy...
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I don't know who anyone is any more because of all the suspensions and bannings.  Some one just said good bye in one of the other soccer threads but I had no idea who it was because it looked like an alias.  I have a rough guess at who it was but am waiting to see if the person posts any more.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I don't know who anyone is any more because of all the suspensions and bannings.  Some one just said good bye in one of the other soccer threads but I had no idea who it was because it looked like an alias.  I have a rough guess at who it was but am waiting to see if the person posts any more.
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I thought that might have been sebowski... Otherwise no idea.

 
Ok.  Officially done mourning.

Life moves on.  Love Mourinho hire.  Should light a fire under a number of players, and should keep Spurs relevant in the transfer market, at least through next summer.

This season is probably gone - in terms of top-4 - but FA Cup awaits, and can't rule out another lengthy run in CL*.

*Its probably too late for this, but Spurs might have been better off finishing 3rd in their group, then winning Europa League to get a CL slot next season.  But next year, with no European competition, should keep Spurs fresh for a strong league challenge...

 
Sinn Fein said:
Ok.  Officially done mourning.

Life moves on.  Love Mourinho hire.  Should light a fire under a number of players, and should keep Spurs relevant in the transfer market, at least through next summer.

This season is probably gone - in terms of top-4 - but FA Cup awaits, and can't rule out another lengthy run in CL*.

*Its probably too late for this, but Spurs might have been better off finishing 3rd in their group, then winning Europa League to get a CL slot next season.  But next year, with no European competition, should keep Spurs fresh for a strong league challenge...
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I haven't given up on a 4th place trophy this year.  It's not even Boxing Day yet!

 
Poke_4_Life said:
I haven't given up on a 4th place trophy this year.  It's not even Boxing Day yet!
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Sorry - don't see it.

12 points behind Leicester and Chelsea and both are good squads - so nothing flukey about their position.

It will take a bit to settle into Jose's tactics and style.  I do expect a new-manager bounce this weekend, but I just think 12 points is too much to make up at any point of the season, when the competition is good.  Could it happen?  Sure, but unlikely.

Even more so when you consider that I think Jose will make the FA Cup a priority, and a decent run in CL - both of which will put stress on league play.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Sorry - don't see it.

12 points behind Leicester and Chelsea and both are good squads - so nothing flukey about their position.

It will take a bit to settle into Jose's tactics and style.  I do expect a new-manager bounce this weekend, but I just think 12 points is too much to make up at any point of the season, when the competition is good.  Could it happen?  Sure, but unlikely.

Even more so when you consider that I think Jose will make the FA Cup a priority, and a decent run in CL - both of which will put stress on league play.
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I mostly agree...  but I also think Chelsea and Leicester are playing about their best ball right now.  Plenty of chances to come back to earth a bit.  

I also saw a graphic that we have the easiest schedule left based on the current table.  (Not sure how much I buy that.)

Too bad we missed out on the dead cat bounce before we get the TSO bounce. 

 
Poke_4_Life said:
Too bad we missed out on the dead cat bounce before we get the TSO bounce. 
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The interesting part for me is finding out if these two bounces are the same thing.  Probably won't find that out till next year.  I feel overly confident that there is going to be a significant bounce.

 
I'm still not sure if people truly believe Spurs will be better under Mourinho or if it's Level 1 shtick. Mourinho almost made me believe that Eden Hazard was not a world class player, I am looking forward to his post game pressers though.

 
Wow, looks like the Reyna rumors of leaving NYCFC may be true

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@PaulTenorio

Sources: Claudio Reyna is leaving his position as NYCFC sporting director to take the same job with 2021 expansion club Austin FC.

 
Bigger issue developing, I'm not finding any local bars in the area that will be open at 0930 on Saturday for the Chelsea/Citeh game :rant:

 
I love Mourinho.  I don't know when this happened.  There was a time I despised him.  Perhaps it's his analysis, or the long time away from the game. I saw him talking today about how his Porto team played like Liverpool, his Madrid team played the best counter attacking football, and his INter team was unbelievable at the low block.  His point was that he sets up according to his team.

That's all well and good, but we've all seen what happened over the past 5 years (and I'm possibly more likely to believe his propaganda because I wasn't around for those three teams)

But the bottom line is that he made it happen twice for Chelsea, and United were really good for a period of time.  It all fell apart in his final year, but I view that year like I view Poch over the last 9 months.  He gave up.

So for this year and next, I expect a really good Spurs team.  I think he can transform their defense simply by moving them back to more of a lower block.  The speed issues they seem to have won't be as apparent, imo.  

If he can, even for just 1-2 years, get the best out of Alli, Kane, Son and the new guys from last summer, they will be really hard to stop.

I still don't know why I like Mourinho, either.  I've just started watching his press conferences and realized "hey I don't despise this guy.  I actually think....I like him!"  Weird

 
Poke_4_Life said:
I haven't given up on a 4th place trophy this year.  It's not even Boxing Day yet!
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12 points is a lot.  I saw a tweet that for Tottenham to get a "normal" 4th place point total of 72-74 points, they'd need to play at a title-winning pace the rest of the season.

Of course every year is different, but what they will need is to play at an elite level for the rest of the season, AND have Chelsea/Leicester (or even City yeah right) have a bit of a collapse.  As impressed as I am with Chelsea, they are a young club.  A few beatdowns in a row, and it could damage their spirit.  Their defense hasn't been that good yet, so they are my choice for the best candidate.

Even so, seems like a very tall task.

 
shader said:
12 points is a lot.  I saw a tweet that for Tottenham to get a "normal" 4th place point total of 72-74 points, they'd need to play at a title-winning pace the rest of the season.

Of course every year is different, but what they will need is to play at an elite level for the rest of the season, AND have Chelsea/Leicester (or even City yeah right) have a bit of a collapse.  As impressed as I am with Chelsea, they are a young club.  A few beatdowns in a row, and it could damage their spirit.  Their defense hasn't been that good yet, so they are my choice for the best candidate.

Even so, seems like a very tall task.
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It is not Boxing day.  Talk of the current table means nothing.  Five weeks from tomorrow we'll reconvene.  

 
Poke_4_Life said:
It is not Boxing day.  Talk of the current table means nothing.  Five weeks from tomorrow we'll reconvene.  
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Ok....I get this if we are talking a few points here or a few points there.  But 12 points is massive regardless of whatever arbitrary date you want to use to start looking at the table

 
CGRdrJoe said:
Meh, it will tell me to drive to San Fran which isn’t happening. I’ll either call the mayflower to see if Tony will open early for it or watch the first half at home :wall:  
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OMG the Mayflower!!!! Wait...where are you?

Do they still run a men's league? I played in that as a kid.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Wow, looks like the Reyna rumors of leaving NYCFC may be true

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@PaulTenorio

Sources: Claudio Reyna is leaving his position as NYCFC sporting director to take the same job with 2021 expansion club Austin FC.
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This is the best news I’ve heard in a while. We are all stoked about it.

 
My Man:

‘Do you think losing the champions league final affected the spurs squad?’ .... ‘ I don’t know because I’ve never lost a champions league final’ 

:hifive:

 
I wonder how much this will effect his rumored talks with Bayern.   If this information is true, I could see him possibly chilling until next summer.

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Pochettino has a £12.5m compensation clause in his Tottenham contract and the figure is set to be paid to him in installments. If he is re-employed during the 3 to 6 month period of notice, those payments to him from his former club would immediately cease

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Can Montreal get Aguedelo just for nostalgia’s sake?  I miss Henry looking at him like he’d just violated a corpse with the wrong salad fork every time he misplaced a pass. 
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They can now for free :)

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The Revolution did not exercise the contract options on five players: Juan Agudelo, Juan Fernando Caicedo, Edgar Castillo, Michael Mancienne, and Brian Wright. 

 
I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm still surprised...RBs released BWP and Robles today. No replacements yet afaik. I guess Ryan Meara for Robles...yay. maybe we can get the zlat.

 
El Floppo said:
Given the work he put in for LA (more energy spent snarling and celebrating goals than running), I'm not sure this will be a good fit. Unless Kane gets pushed back or something.
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Outside of the entertainment value, I agree.   

Perhaps in a super sub role would be best when they are chasing a game?   There is no way he can go 90 for any coach who requires any sort of defensive work.  He could get away with that in LA because he was scoring in buckets but that won't happen at that rate in the EPL.    

 
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