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Not sure your point (or "canard"
) but any team that is out of the top 4 takes a financial hit for not making CL. ESL makes it so that doesn't matter, they get the money and are in the competition anyway. To them the bigger reward is winning the ESL. So now the EPL gets treated like the top clubs treat the FA Cup or the League Cup. Of course this is just my speculation on what could happen.
There are the 5 invites every year - so a small number of these clubs will be rewarded. If Leicester City wins England again, they would presumably get an invite to the following season's ESL. If they finish 2nd or 3rd? Probably not. The teams that get hurt bad are the winners of the smaller leagues - e.g. Midtjylland, Olympiacos, Zenit, Shaktar - who will probably not get an invite, and the 2nd or 3rd place teams in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, England, if not part of the 15 - all of whom have to share the 5 invite spots.
To a neutral if I'm given a choice of watching say Liverpool and Barcelona (both teams of which I hate with the burning fury of 10,000 suns) or Leicester/Burnley, let's just say I'm rooting for cards/injuries in the game I'll be watching.
Leeds taking the piss:
As I understand it - the clubs have sign a 20+ year agreement.
Yes it is. As this takes the place of an existing competition that has true qualification and meritocracy with something that codifies strata into the game. It's a bull#### money grab and everyone knows it.
Sure it is.
Milan are the record holder for European Championships and are on the rise again They aren't fully there yet but getting there. The New league generates a club who has struggled for money since the fake China Owners are getting 350M Euros out of this. I can see the reasoning for Italian Clubs doing this. They are far behind economically competing with the other leagues. Most clubs outside of Juventus right now don't own their own stadiums and pay rent to the city they play in. So that is income they aren't getting especially for any other outside of Football events like concerts and stuff that happen there the stadium is rented for. Milan is also a world brand. A poll showed that Milan Since Ibra went back is amongst the most popular clubs in America right now including kit sales. Spurs well they haven't won anything in yrs. Last trophy I think was 08 a domestic league cup. Besides a Sexy New Stadium what does Spurs have to offer right now? Go ask any soccer fan about Spurs and Milan and you could probably get most non supporters of both to name more accomplishments from player and managers to club success at Milan then Spurs.I think the bold is largely true, assuming the leagues/UEFA/FIFA don't actually pull off banning these teams or players. The cool thing about CL/Europa league is that you have to qualify every year. The downside is that there are a ton of teams in it that have no realistic chance.
What it does is entrench the existing powers. Maybe that doesn't matter in Spain as it is hard to see what could ever dislodge the top 3 right now. Juventus (until this year) won 8 straight. PSG 7 of the last 8. Bayern the last 8.
English fans have the most to complain about here. City is running away with the EPL, but there is a lot of competition for the European spots. Their recent massive contract has really allowed the mid-table teams to compete and elevate their game. Based on results, Leicester has as much a claim as Arsenal. When have Spurs won anything that makes them worthy of a permanent inclusions? It solely is down to their branding. And I think that is what is what people are reacting to. I also think AC Milan is in that bucket.
I mean we're talking about the same Elite EPL clubs that denied the Newcastle Sale because they don't want more competition.Is 8 points "running away with"?
I think this may play a part. But some articles I've seen indicate its more about the share of the money between the clubs and UEFA in the CL. Either way, its still all about the
I've been listening/watching a Milan podcast for well over 4 yrs now called SempreMilan. They've harped on this constantly that if you are trying to buy a football club you better already be filthy rich because you aren't gonna earn any money on the club. You are gonna operate at a loss (In your own money) most yrs. David Amayol who does the CalcioLand Podcast is a stock broker and really does well talking economics for Italian clubs (really interested in his take tomorrow on his Tuesday pod on all of this in terms of economics), is always talking about this too. The American owners don't understand that.
I'm mostly siding on the Bayern side. One a customer of mine is a big fan of them and 2 a local German Beer Garden in South Philly is a huge Bayern establishment already.
Could see UEFA allowing players a window to have some control. Say like moving to another club if they so choose. Also how long is the ban? Is it life time or only as long as you are playing for the SL club?
I always have said Soccer in Europe needs some sort of salary cap structure. The FFP was suppose to help calm things down but it didn't and UEFA has always played favoritism to certain clubs, while ignoring major loopholes in the rules like the one that allowed PSG to Buy Neymar and so fourth
As a Nova fan I pretty much agree with the exception Big East Basketball in general. I follow and support Nova and the campus is 10 mins from my house without traffic driving. However since the Pitts/Cuses' etc left the Big East it hasn't been the same basketball wise.
Not me and I agree with Gary Neville's take today. I think a lot of fans are losing interest in soccer these days because of the big money clubs ruining everything. Also the more we see the big clubs play one another the more it deludes the spectacle of these clubs playing one another. Neville brought up Liverpool vs I think Barca for the first time since like 2009-10 season about 2 or so yrs ago and being very excited about it. He thinks the more these clubs play each other outside of the knockout rounds of CL competition and other such events, the illustriousness and aroma of it will ware off. Fans and supporters will get bored.
I've seen a lot of difference of opinion from fans. Casuals and those on the American side seem to like the Superleague aspect where the snobs of European soccer and thumbing their noises at the very idea of it's existence. Supporters of the actual clubs involved many are not supporting their clubs in this outcome. It's a mixed bag of balls from all over. Fans threatening to support new clubs, wanting players who participate in this to be banned from International comp,clubs banned from UEFA, etc etc.
Same reason as Inter. The money. Conte outside of last years Euros has been horrible in European comp and Juve can't win anything outside of Italy because they don't have the refs helping them and giving them gifts in certain matches. Juve has been dominate in Italy domestically for yes 10 yrs however there's more then a few matches you can look back on and say well Juve got a gift from the refs What might have been standings or points wise if that was called or not called. Every Milan fan Juve's first title run remembers the Sully Muntari disallowed goal that clearly went in. With VAR/Goalline tech that is reviewed and given as a goal. Milan probably wins that match and wins the title that year and who knows where both clubs would be now or maybe it just delays the inevitable that finally happened at Milan a few yrs after that.
I heard about the shirts Leeds left them. I laughed. As someone who despises Liverpool as a Milan fan and Newcastle fan one of the few bright spots in all of this today
Europeans would have a fit. I've had several friends from College from Germany, Spain, Italy and elsewhere while in America (a few still here), don't get the playoff system at all. Think it's stupid and unfair to the club/team who has the best record in the league for them to lose in one game and not be declared winners and some team with less wins is crowned "champion". I thought maybe most Europeans without the playoff system would've been more interested in College Football back in the day because of it. But they also don't get the college sports thing for the most part.
Same with Milan. They haven't been in CL for awhile. It destroyed them economically which is why you saw them selling Silva, Ibra and the likes when they did. Of corse bad investments on players and free transfers didn't help in the long run and Silvio giving the club to fake owners didn't help. Right now Milan's transfer budget predicates them getting a top 4 spot for Champions league (As of now till this SL starts up).
To the bolded. Its a watered down league. I posted in another comment the aroma and initial interest of these clubs playing each other so many times a year now rather than in spurts over 5-6 yrs will kill the atmosphere and aroma and just make them simple another match/game similar to the NBA today. The NBA playoffs I could not care about unless Chicago is in it. I don't want to watch the same teams yearly in the conference finals and finals yearly unless it's really my team in it. Just doesn't interest me.Okay, I'm pretty sure this Super League is happening, it's simply inevitable. The owners of these teams are getting a massive revenue stream, why in the world would they turn it down? NFL owners move their TEAMS to a new city if they don't get their way, cough cough. This is a no-brainer, surprised it took so long to happen.
The FA's would be foolish to kick the teams out of domestic leagues/cups and I'm sure they will allow the Super League to happen, so long as it's been played outside of league play. The Italian teams have already confirmed that that is exactly what they intend to do. What kind of television contract is the EPL going to get if they push out United, Liverpool, et al. You're looking at pennies on the dollar as to what they get now.
What you're going to have is 15 or so teams with enough money to pretty much get the best players in the world and you'll get to see these teams square off often. What would you rather watch mid-November, a Leicester/Burnley match or Liverpool/Barcelona?
Yeah, UEFA is going to get screwed here, as they will ultimately end up with a much lesser tourney to crown the "champions of Europe". But whatever. They can still have a tournament.
I'm really surprised that the likes of PSG, Bayern, Dortmund have passed on joining. I know the initial fall out here is pretty anti-Super League, but I'm not sure why. I wonder what they're fans are going to do when their best players move to Super League teams that can be 2-3x the salary, along with the prestige of being in the Super League.
I'm not saying I'm particularly for the league, because I do like tradition and if it aint broke, why fix it, imho. But change is inevitable I suppose. I'm willing to give it a watch. I mean, at the end of the day, you'll basically have a league with super star clashes every game.
I like MLS in the fact that every year as long as your club is run well enough you have a chance to win the cup. I know the MLS rules some suck but I also believe without some of these Rules the Likes of clubs like NYRB (Back in the day), NYFC, Inter Mia, Both LA clubs, Sea, and maybe Orlando would run away from the competition yearly. MLS has done well with the competitive balance that works financially and keeps league competitive balance to an extent. My Local club the Union are allergic to buying DP's that cost a lot. We aren't gonna bring home some European US player (when Brendan Aaronson is older and ready to comeback past his prime I doubt we bring him in), the big young South American prospect that cost a record transfer fee to buy isn't happening. We did the Red Bull model (not surprising since our TD is Ernest Tanner a former Director for them), buy young cheap players, traded draft picks away for allocation money and TAM and other finances to establish better academy set up etc. We bought a few cheaper DP players and last year lifted our first club trophy the supporters shield. If we win the cup it's gonna be way more satisfying than had we bought like 4 DP players like MIA has done and then won. Yes MLS isn't the greatest quality but to me it's still soccer, I got a local team I can invest in and proud to support now and we have a great supporters group.
This is going to amazingly entertaining if it is not tragic.
Doesn't seem minor to me.
It kind of reads to me like a middle school kid asking a girl to a dance and when she says no, he tells every one he never asked to begin with to save face.
This is the head sports writer of the Mail (so take with a grain of salt)
John Henry may be the biggest loser out of this - especially if it doesn't go through. Unlike the other five (I think?), Henry was fairly well respected going into this. There was always suspicion as an American Hedgie, but he hired a perfect manager, turned the team around, put it on stable footing, got the new stadium construction through, said all the right things while doing it, and has the club in a great spot for the long-run. He'll never get past it now IMO.
This was almost exactly what he did with the Red Sox too, but for some reason both the media and fans never cared for the guy here.
I don't think what AC Milan did decades ago nor how big their brand is should qualify them for the top Euro tournament every year. Only results on the pitch should matter.
