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Looking more and more like no Gunner hardware this season. Not that they had a chance at the CL but inability to score is a huge prohibiter.

 
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:loco:

Sometimes lucky is good.

As always, Bayern gets exposed with their high line possession game whenever they play competition with speed for the counter.

That and the thinking they need to walk the ball into the goal.  As the announcers kept saying, crosses!

 
B Maverick said:
isnt that when he comes to MLS?
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It is such a gap though in quality.

Are you old like Drogba and still obviously an excellent player or are you old like Gerrard who looks half dead?

It is the risk the league takes when signing the big name older players.

I do wish they would stick to the 31 year olds like Beckham, Henry, Keane, Kaka, etc.  I think you get much better bang for the buck at that age.  If you can sign that type of player and continue to mix in a Giovinco or a Dos Santos every so often then you can continue to make progress while wait for the endless days of the base American player to get better..

 
You'd think with Gerrard and Pirlo that coaches would be looking at old Blanco tapes to see how the Fire was able to get that fat old tub of goo time on the ball to work his magic.  

 
Mjolnirs said:
:loco:

Sometimes lucky is good.

As always, Bayern gets exposed with their high line possession game whenever they play competition with speed for the counter.

That and the thinking they need to walk the ball into the goal.  As the announcers kept saying, crosses!
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When it went in to extra I was hoping you remembered to extend the dvr :thumbup:  

 
Sebowski said:
When it went in to extra I was hoping you remembered to extend the dvr :thumbup:  
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I've learned to extend recordings on second legs and any US National match.

The first because of Extra Time, the second because they always stuff too much talking before hand.

But, I work from home now, so watched it live.  :shock: :censored: halftime :boxing: :excited: extra time :pickle: :banned:

 
Kevin Draper at Deadspin said that the unfortunate Juvie loss clinched it for England to hold onto the fourth CL berth for another year but that next year Italy will actually start play with the higher coefficient.

 
I don't say this lightly and find it annoying that the latest is always the best, but if Barca go back-to-back and finish off the the CL is it fair to suggest we're watching the greatest team in soccer history having the greatest season in soccer history?

Demolition job on River Plate to win WCC.

Home and dry in the league.

One win from hoisting the Copa.

38-match unbeaten run across all competitions, 102-22 GD.

IMO the Barca style is a joy to watch even without the forwards.

Then you add Messi, Suarez, Neymar.

If they win the league and all three cups, where do you put them all-time?

 
roadkill1292 said:
Kevin Draper at Deadspin said that the unfortunate Juvie loss clinched it for England to hold onto the fourth CL berth for another year but that next year Italy will actually start play with the higher coefficient.
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Hmm, I must be doing something wrong

As of today, the countries will start next year with the following

England: 59.159

Italy: 59.082

And after today there are still 2 English teams alive while there is only 1 or 0 Italian teams alive so this narrow gap could widen unless again I am doing something wrong.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Hmm, I must be doing something wrong

As of today, the countries will start next year with the following

England: 59.159

Italy: 59.082

And after today there are still 2 English teams alive while there is only 1 or 0 Italian teams alive so this narrow gap could widen unless again I am doing something wrong.
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That's what the ESPN guys have as well.  England will be hard pressed to keep Italy at bay though next year with Leicester in the CL.  Of course, United, Liverpool, and Chelsea (oh wait) can make waves in Europa before concentrating on the league. 

 
Also, MSN has 106 goals between them in all comps.

So let's look at the contenders:

Bayern 2012-13 -- They lost once in the Bundesliga.  In the second half of the season, they never lost and only drew once.  They finished with 91 pts, a Bundesliga record (remember the BL is only 18 teams, so they play 2 less league games than many other European teams).  Goal Difference was +80.  They allowed 18 goals.  They won the league by 25pts and clinched on April 6.  Maybe the league wasn't great, but they did have Dortmund who was coming off back to back league titles and would be their opponent in the CL final.  They beat Barcelona 7-0 on aggregate in the CL semi.  They also won the DFL Supercup and the DFB Pokal.  Beckenbauer and Rummenigge called this team the best Bayern team ever.  High praise.  And of course, they ran the coach off for Pep.  NOTE that if Pep wins the CL league this year, you could conceivably make a case that his BL dominance extends this to a multi year run like Barca, below. 

Barcelona 2008-11  -- They won 6 trophies in the 2009 calendar year.  First Spanish Club to the league, cup, CL triple in the 08-09 season.  In the 2009-10 La Liga season, they won the league with a European record 99 pts but got Jose'd in the CL semis by Inter.  In 10-11 season,  the team won the league, Cup, CL triple again. 

Manchester United 1998-99 -- "Football, bloody hell."  Really aren't a contender for "best" team.  They hardly dominated any competition, but memorably won the treble with some absurd moments (Giggs in FA Cup semi extra-time against Arsenal.  Ole in stoppage time in the CL final)

Those are likely your Champions League era candidates.  The Galacticos never delivered consistently in Europe.

Go back to the European Cup days and you're talking about Milan in the late 80s, Liverpool in the early 80s, Bayern in the late 70s, Ajax in the early 70s, and Real and Benfica in the 60s.    The problem with those 60s and 70s European teams is that we don't really know that they were better than Santos (for instance) at the time. 

 
The Champions League start is a nice demarkation point for this discussion but personally for me, the Euro game and make up teams all changed dramatically after the Bosman ruling which was a few years after the Champions League started.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Kevin Draper at Deadspin said that the unfortunate Juvie loss clinched it for England to hold onto the fourth CL berth for another year but that next year Italy will actually start play with the higher coefficient.
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I'd imagine that it's not written in stone yet?  Man City just advanced, and either Liv/ManU are going to round of 8 in Europa.  Either of those two teams could further the English cause.

 
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