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***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (13 Viewers)

Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Is a two-tier system with Pro/Rel all that much better?  It's still a closed a system.  It's just a 40 team closed league and not a 20 team closed league. 
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You might be able to make the case that a 38 game balanced schedule would be fairer and that top-tier talent would be less diluted.  But it's a business to the league and owners.  They care about turnover and capital appreciation. 

 
Eephus said:
You might be able to make the case that a 38 game balanced schedule would be fairer and that top-tier talent would be less diluted.  But it's a business to the league and owners.  They care about turnover and capital appreciation. 
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Of course.  And I think that's largely better for the teams.  There's a theory that relegation is good because the risk of relegation drives investment.  But my guess is that most sports owners are super risk adverse.  And the big risk is investment and THEN relegation.  Portsmouth won the FA cup and were in administration how soon after?  It was less than 2 years, I think.  And of course, there's Leeds, which is the textbook example of a death spiral. 

I think stability prompts investment.  Which means the owners need to count on their television share.  The counter-argument, that you could revenue-share among all 40 teams just doesn't make sense because you're more than doubling the effective free riders on the system.  Unless somehow second tier US Soccer is going to generate significant revenues. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Unless somehow second tier US Soccer is going to generate significant revenues. 
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That's my assumption -- not that it will happen, but that if 2nd tier soccer generates $$$ the SEM can actually accommodate multiple leagues.  It makes it possible where it otherwise wouldn't be.

 
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I kinda like the instability and risk but it doesn't need pointing out that I don't own a club/team. Leeds and Portsmouth taking risks and getting pummeled for it is a big part of what makes it all so damned interesting to me.  

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Of course.  And I think that's largely better for the teams.  There's a theory that relegation is good because the risk of relegation drives investment.  But my guess is that most sports owners are super risk adverse.  And the big risk is investment and THEN relegation.  Portsmouth won the FA cup and were in administration how soon after?  It was less than 2 years, I think.  And of course, there's Leeds, which is the textbook example of a death spiral. 

I think stability prompts investment.  Which means the owners need to count on their television share.  The counter-argument, that you could revenue-share among all 40 teams just doesn't make sense because you're more than doubling the effective free riders on the system.  Unless somehow second tier US Soccer is going to generate significant revenues. 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Yes.  I think everyone who looked at FFP closely knew that its effect would be to protect those teams that already had either a large revenue base (like United) or had the outside investment already (like PSG and City).  It's hard to see how any team could pull a PSG and start challenging for multiple top players with big transfer fees overnight anymore. 

Even among big teams I think there is a fairly stark difference among teams that really understand the system and those that don't.  Chelsea's loan model, IMO, is brilliant.  I don't know why more teams don't operate the same way.  Buy lots of high upside but non sure thing talent in that 2 to 10 million range, loan them out.  Take the ones that pan out to be excellent players and sell the guys that don't.  Almost any sale in that situation, even one for less than they paid, is a black number under FFP because the transfer revenues out are amortized while transfer revenues in are not. 
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Cuadrado is a perfect example...it turns out win/win...

Eta: shouldn't have said "perfect " because his age doesn't equate resalable value, but perfect in the sense of validating options...young or old, Chelsea always have a viable option to fall back upon.  The one fallibility?  CAESAR SALAH!!

 
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Kafka said:
Didier did the dirty...it's been an enjoyable game for the most part..

...God, I can't wait for the real season to begin... withdrawal symptoms are setting in...(the real kind, not the shoddy alcoholic ones)
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Me too.  I was so excited for the start of the preseason.....that's gone now.

 
Jeez, guys. There's less than 3 weeks to kickoff. It's not like we're dealing with the NFL. I'm giving myself a break from games.

Being a FIRE! fan, that's not too difficult.

 
Christo said:
Jeez, guys. There's less than 3 weeks to kickoff. It's not like we're dealing with the NFL. I'm giving myself a break from games.

Being a FIRE! fan, that's not too difficult.
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Difficult, yeah...that's pretty much a cyclical 365 day break every year...but you still have QPR!

 
Kafka said:
:kicksrock: ....planned on it; was going to be my  last realistic chance to see Totti live...but alas, my son made travel team, and the resultant cost has shot that plan all to hell.  Thanks a lot, son... :wall: :thumbup: :wall:
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:(  And a FBG cornhole opportunity goes up in flames like Mario Balotelli's career.

 
Kafka said:
:kicksrock: ....planned on it; was going to be my  last realistic chance to see Totti live...but alas, my son made travel team, and the resultant cost has shot that plan all to hell.  Thanks a lot, son... :wall: :thumbup: :wall:
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Do you need tickets? Because I'm likely going to have to give up mine.

 
gianmarco said:
Do you need tickets? Because I'm likely going to have to give up mine.
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I really do appreciate it...it's the travel cost, not the tickets...GB.  Plus, since I found out Gator can't make it, it lost some of its luster.  "GOD, I'd like to smash that scouser in his Portuguese face!"  ####!  Did I just think out loud?  My bad, GB Gator... :unsure: ... it's not me, it's the alcohol... :thumbup:

 
Kafka said:
I really do appreciate it...it's the travel cost, not the tickets...GB.  Plus, since I found out Gator can't make it, it lost some of its luster.  "GOD, I'd like to smash that scouser in his Portuguese face!"  ####!  Did I just think out loud?  My bad, GB Gator... :unsure: ... it's not me, it's the alcohol... :thumbup:
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Can't it be you and the alcohol?

 
Damn this thread moves fast.

Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
 "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles" >>>>> "You'll Never Walk Alone"
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wdcrob said:
Hey actual soccer players... does the ref ever pull the captains aside and remind tell them how they intend to enforce stuff like this so everyone's on exactly the same page?

i.e. ... "Time wasting after a foul by kicking the ball away or impeding the restart will be a yellow.  I'll let you have your say after a foul, but if you swear or make a big scene it's a yellow.  Etc?"
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At my match last night I was captain for the toss.  Our team designates the captain as the person closest to the ref when he calls for captains.  Before the toss he reiterated this is a Y league and it's for fun, and he was going to play quarters since it was 99 degrees at kickoff.  The talk about "I'm the boss" and a reminder of the league's unique rules comes at the circle before kickoff.  It is the Y, so every player is required to attend prayer at the midfield circle.

He actually stopped play twice to remind folks of this and had a talk with the teams at half.  He made some bonehead calls and for a while it was field full of dissent during the run of play.

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Heading to Charlotte tomorrow for the Bayern match.  This will be my second time actually seeing them play. :excited:

 
Schweinsteiger retires from internatonal duty

Dear Germany fans,

I have asked the national team coach to not consider me for Germany selection in future, as I would like to step down from the national
team. I would like to thank the fans, the team, the DFB, the coaches and the national team’s backroom staff.

I was able to play 120 matches for my country and experience many indescribably brilliant and successful moments. Jogi Löw knew how much
the 2016 European Championship in France meant to me, because I wanted to bring the title that we hadn’t won since 1996 back to Germany.

It wasn’t to be and I have to accept that. We managed an emotional and historical success when we won the World Cup in 2014 and it is
something that I won’t be able to do again in my career. That is why it is right and sensible to bring it to an end and wish the team all
the best in qualification for the 2018 World Cup.

Despite stepping down from the national team, I hope that I will be able to have a connection with it in one way or another, as it has been
like a family to me.

I would like to conclude with a message to the fans: “It was an honour to play for you, thank you for everything that we have been able to
experience together!”

Yours,
Bastian Schweinsteiger.


Danke Bastian :clap:

 
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James Melville‏@JamesMelville

Zlatan Ibrahimovic's Man Utd shirt has made £76m in one week. By the end of the second week it will have paid for Pogba's £100m transfer.

:shock:

 
I'm sure the margins are pretty good, but that's likely retail sales numbers, so you have to back out the retailer, distributor, prices. Plus, I'm sure Adidas gets a nice chunk as well.  So I bet United's profit is probably only 20% of that retail number, maybe even lower.

 
The Z Machine said:
I'm sure the margins are pretty good, but that's likely retail sales numbers, so you have to back out the retailer, distributor, prices. Plus, I'm sure Adidas gets a nice chunk as well.  So I bet United's profit is probably only 20% of that retail number, maybe even lower.
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So basically, Roma's transfer budget...

 
Sinn Fein said:
James Melville‏@JamesMelville

Zlatan Ibrahimovic's Man Utd shirt has made £76m in one week. By the end of the second week it will have paid for Pogba's £100m transfer.
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Calling BS on this one.  Even if they'd really sold a million of them at $100 a pop that's a gross number.

 
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The Z Machine said:
I'm sure the margins are pretty good, but that's likely retail sales numbers, so you have to back out the retailer, distributor, prices. Plus, I'm sure Adidas gets a nice chunk as well.  So I bet United's profit is probably only 20% of that retail number, maybe even lower.
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What he said.

 
I think some of you are missing the bigger picture - I am sure that not profits, but it does show the financial clout that a team like United has, outside of any results on the pitch.  As long as they can continue to build these off-the-field revenue streams they can continue to spend like drunken sailors.

Based on those numbers though, I bet they can swing the Pogba transaction when they consider Pogba's shirt sales on top of Zlatans....kind of like getting a player for free....

 
The Z Machine said:
I'm sure the margins are pretty good, but that's likely retail sales numbers, so you have to back out the retailer, distributor, prices. Plus, I'm sure Adidas gets a nice chunk as well.  So I bet United's profit is probably only 20% of that retail number, maybe even lower.
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Depends - i think they keep a much higher percentage of the sales from their own stores/online.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think some of you are missing the bigger picture - I am sure that not profits, but it does show the financial clout that a team like United has, outside of any results on the pitch.  As long as they can continue to build these off-the-field revenue streams they can continue to spend like drunken sailors.

Based on those numbers though, I bet they can swing the Pogba transaction when they consider Pogba's shirt sales on top of Zlatans....kind of like getting a player for free....
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From what I can tell, the whole tweet was false.  I don't deny that the shirt is selling well, but most ManU fans that I've read think that this tweet is entirely false.

 
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James Melville‏@JamesMelville

Zlatan Ibrahimovic's Man Utd shirt has made £76m in one week. By the end of the second week it will have paid for Pogba's £100m transfer.

:shock:
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Amazing numbers, but its a commonly-believed but unfounded myth that shirt sales = revenue to the club. Adidas has a 750mil 10 year deal with United, by far the largest in the prem. Its a licensing arrangement. United might get a small marginal cut after they've reached certain targets.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I guess its reasonable to speak in the past tense regarding Schweini's time at United, but as far as I know he's still a United player, right?
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He is as of right now - I see no chance he sticks around though.  And if the Pogba deal gets completed then it seems even more certain he's gone.

 
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