***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (9 Viewers)

[Kafka]

and obviously this is a different China than the one that defaulted on payments to Anelka and Drogba... right?

Quite frankly, right.

 

[Kafka]

The real issue in China is that if the next guy in charge of the Government decides against supporting the league, it could collapse over night.  They have no where near the revenue generation needed to support these kind of expenditures.

True, but I got a rise out of El Floppo.

 

[El Floppo]

The real issue in China is that if the next guy in charge of the Government decides against supporting the league, it could collapse over night.  They have no where near the revenue generation needed to support these kind of expenditures.

exactly- that's what I thought I said in the other post. but still trying to thaw out, so not sure.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

and obviously this is a different China than the one that defaulted on payments to Anelka and Drogba... right?

That club (Shanghai Shenua (??? or somethinglikethat) had a rocky period with fractured ownership disputes and such. They got new owners and I think are doing fine now - Demba Ba, Freddy Guarin and some other stars from the West.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The real issue in China is that if the next guy in charge of the Government decides against supporting the league, it could collapse over night.  They have no where near the revenue generation needed to support these kind of expenditures.

I haven't followed it closely, but didn't realize its a government supported, or single-owner league. I've always thought the owners are super-rich Chinese dudes and their companies. Its definitely not the more traditional fan-supported ownership groups where the spending has to be supported by revenues.

 

[Sammy3469]

I haven't followed it closely, but didn't realize its a government supported, or single-owner league. I've always thought the owners are super-rich Chinese dudes and their companies. Its definitely not the more traditional fan-supported ownership groups where the spending has to be supported by revenues.

Yeah, but a lot of these guys companies are propped up by lending from the government in one form or another.  Put it this way, they aren't doing it without the OK from Beijing.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

China is not exactly known for huge swings in government. They've committed to $850 billion in investment in domestic sports in an effort to lure the World Cup to China (also, any doubt that Gianni's 48 team proposal is an attempt to try to get China or India or both into a World Cup?).  Even if Jiping dies or something, I don't see a new leader losing face by cancelling that type of national prestige investment.

In the case of Oscar, Shanghai SIPG is owned by the Shanghai Port Authority, which is in turn majority owned by the City of Shanghai.  I've read reports that the Port Authority owners aren't keen on spending this type of coin on football, but they're being overruled by the City government. 

 

[El Floppo]

I haven't followed it closely, but didn't realize its a government supported, or single-owner league. I've always thought the owners are super-rich Chinese dudes and their companies. Its definitely not the more traditional fan-supported ownership groups where the spending has to be supported by revenues.

my understanding from an old article was that the Gov was pumping a lot of money into the league because there were one or maybe a few people in the gov who wanted to. gist of the article was that once those people are gone, it's likely the money being pumped in will stop- which will cause the league.. or at least current bonzai buying...  to fail.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

One thing to note from Chelsea's perspective. We all scratch our heads when the club buys players like Pato or Miazga on the same day, or gets 50m Euros for Luiz then buys him back a few years later to fill a need on the last day of the transfer window. When you think those deals don't make sense, remember that the same quasi-agent that reps those players also has Ramires and Oscar, who went to China for over 80mil pounds when neither was playing for club or country. Kia Joorabchian reportedly earned over 10mil Euros when Chelsea bought Ramires from Benfica for 22mil. He's a shady guy, but works hard and seems to have great relationships in Brazil, several English clubs and more recently the US and China. Chels and Joorabchian have done very well for each other over the past 5 years or so.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Money galore, but is the market real

• Detroit
  
• Cincy
  

Not sure why you would lump Cincy into a pot of "is the market real"

Its probably the most-tested market in terms of people supporting a local team - tremendous attendance numbers consistently throughout season for USL franchise.  Combine that with a built-in rivalry with Columbus, and I think the only thing standing in the way of a Cincinnati is a soccer-only stadium.  I think I read in the article above that the USL franchise is spending $2M to help widen the UofC football stadium - so they need to consider that investment, if there will be a centrally located soccer stadium.

 

[Sinn Fein]

One thing to note from Chelsea's perspective. We all scratch our heads when the club buys players like Pato or Miazga on the same day, or gets 50m Euros for Luiz then buys him back a few years later to fill a need on the last day of the transfer window. When you think those deals don't make sense, remember that the same quasi-agent that reps those players also has Ramires and Oscar, who went to China for over 80mil pounds when neither was playing for club or country. Kia Joorabchian reportedly earned over 10mil Euros when Chelsea bought Ramires from Benfica for 22mil. He's a shady guy, but works hard and seems to have great relationships in Brazil, several English clubs and more recently the US and China. Chels and Joorabchian have done very well for each other over the past 5 years or so.

  I don't scratch my head.  I just assume every Chelsea transaction is Russian money laundering

 

[Kafka]

my understanding from an old article was that the Gov was pumping a lot of money into the league because there were one or maybe a few people in the gov who wanted to. gist of the article was that once those people are gone, it's likely the money being pumped in will stop- which will cause the league.. or at least current bonzai buying...  to fail.

"from an old article"...

"Internazionale."

*

I'm a #####.

 

[AAABatteries]

At first I thought you should go with Everton as United fans rank only below Liverpool fans in terms of #### but then I realized you are just doing this to bug Gator so to hell with it, go United. Also, please remind him about Gerrard slipping and Suarez leaving as often as humanly possible

20-18

 

[Tom Hagen]

I think I'm ready to get more serious about soccer watching, however I don't have a team. 

If someone could tell me who @The Gator likes the most, then who the team which that team considers it to be their rival I will go with that one.  Ideally will come in with extremely ill-informed points that both irritates and occupies his time.

Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

This is who the  @The Gator likes the most and his nemesis is shirts.

 

[Slapdash]

This is who the  @The Gator likes the most and his nemesis is shirts.

@culdeus:  Don't let this consigliere fool you.  @The Gator doesn't even think Christiano Ronaldo is the greatest Ronaldo!

 

[Ned]

his nemesis is shirts

 

and pants

 

[NewlyRetired]

These words from Garber sound like they are getting ready to tell Becks to #### or get off the pot in the very near future............

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“We have a lot invested in it because of the amount of time we’ve spent on it,” Garber said of the 20-team league. “Everybody needs to understand, including David and his partners, that we’ve worked hard, and it’s time for us to reach a conclusion.”

“I’ve also learned, having done this a long time, that not everything you want to do gets done,” Garber said. “Sometimes you have to take a step back, and if you can’t get it done, you move on."

R

 

[B Maverick]

Liverpool. 

Natural rivals are Manchester United and Everton. Man U is the better choice for shtick. 

Youll need to learn their best player, Maroune Fellaini.

I cant wait for the Fro to be Liverpool's best player.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Gator's home page

 

[lardonastick]

Gator's home page

 

 

[Native]

I picture your reaction to the news the same as your avatar ....

:(

 

[Ned]

Gator's home page

Ughhhhh, why did I click on that?  

 

[Sinn Fein]

Ughhhhh, why did I click on that?  

You took a genuine interest in seeing what @The Gator wakes up to every day?

 

[The Gator]

Ughhhhh, why did I click on that?  

Like it's a bad thing 

 

[Kafka]

Quite frankly, I'm quite perturbed by all the Gatorhade that has been so prevalent around here.  I, for one, stand by my Portuguese fratello, & cast aspersion upon all you...besmirching the name of such a fine fellow.  Shame! Shame!  Name me one amongst you who could make a finer Bloody Mary, or a finer homoerotic ode to Christianaldo?  

#IStandWithGator#

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

*clears throat*

I mean alcoholic beverages and homoerotic odes are kind of my thing. 

 

[roadkill1292]

Dusan Tadic name Serbian Footballer of the Year. Can't wait to tell my IRL buddies about that.

 

[Kafka]

*clears throat*

I mean alcoholic beverages and homoerotic odes are kind of my thing. 

"*clears throat*"... "homoerotic"...I see I overstepped my boundaries...ok, I shall leave it at that...

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[Kafka]

:(

I swear to God, that is my favorite avatar ever.  Simpleton that I am, I could look at it all day, & laugh consistently each time.

Woe is Woy!

 

[El Floppo]

DON'T #### THINGS UP IN HERE... PEOPLE ARE WATCHING 

 

[Kafka]

DON'T #### THINGS UP IN HERE... PEOPLE ARE WATCHING 

Sorry...

Mia Culpa?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Really kind of irritates me.

I wish there was a way I could put everything but the soccer threads on ignore.  But I do enjoy some friendly banter/discussion in some other threads from time to time.  Poor form to wipe out threads - even when there was no offensive posts.  Its typically the same few posters/aliases that cross the line.  Just ban them, and not the conversations.  Comes across as very childish...ironically.

 

[AAABatteries]

Really kind of irritates me.

I wish there was a way I could put everything but the soccer threads on ignore.  But I do enjoy some friendly banter/discussion in some other threads from time to time.  Poor form to wipe out threads - even when there was no offensive posts.  Its typically the same few posters/aliases that cross the line.  Just ban them, and not the conversations.  Comes across as very childish...ironically.

Agree but probably best not to say much more here.

 

[Kafka]

Agree but probably best not to say much more here.

Fascist.

 

[Sinn Fein]

November 4, 2016 - a day that will live in infamy

 

[gianmarco]

We need a contingency plan in place in case this all goes belly up. Where should we meet and gather if that happens? 

Does www.CR7isagod.com have a usable forum, @The Gator? 

And where do I sign up for Shader Weekly Power Rankings?

 

[AAABatteries]

FFA Buddy System - soccer edition is our only option

@mr furley - fire it up 

 

[Christo]

FFA Buddy System - soccer edition is our only option

@mr furley - Fire! it up 

 

[Sinn Fein]

I FOUND IT!!

This is the official who's a fan of what team(s) post. As many teams/leagues as you want to put in here.

International
United States - everyone (probably?)
Argentina - Sebowski, otello, Gianmarco, DiStefano
Bolivia - Sebowski
Brazil - Desert Power, Z's wife, Abrantes, SmoovySmoov, Corporation
Canada - Polsonov?

Chile - BassNBrew
Croatia - kblitz
Denmark - Major

Ecuador - Sand
Egypt - Jmon
England - SmoovySmoov, AAABatteries, Txns8, theprince, T Bell, Charvik, Jonessed, Christo, Corporation

Faroe Islands - Steve Tasker, Roadkill
Germany - Mjolnirs, eagles2007, editor47, Bonzai, Short Corner, Corporation, Fariq, Bierfiend, Jayrod
Ireland - PIK95
Italy - Steve Tasker, Texas Football, otello, Boubucarow, Gianmarco, Kafka
Japan - SmoovySmoov
Netherlands - MrPhoenix, AAABatteries, Major, Abraham
Nigeria - Eephus

Poland - Randall146
Portugal - Gator

Senegal - Roadkill
Serbia - Vipers
Spain - Sebowski, Kansas Comet, Z Machine, The Reytheist, Good Posting Judge, ilov80s

Trinidad & Tobago - Fariq
Turkey - Steve Tasker
Venezuela - Z's wife, Z Machine
Wales - Jonessed

England
EPL
Arsenal - Steve Tasker, Sebowski, Z's wife, Brewer, Vipers, Major, Sparty, Jmon, Scoobygang, The Reytheist, T Bell, The Hardline, Tom Hagen, Ivan Karamazov, Waiver Wire, blend, sho nuff

Bournemouth - Eephus
Chelsea - Native (pre-Abramovich), Cletius Maximus, Eephus Jr., Tremendous Upside, Jaysus, Premier
Everton - Senor Schmutzig, eagles2007
Hull - QuizGuy66
Liverpool - MrPhoenix, Bentley, Kendall, SmoovySmoov, editor47, Gator, PIK95, Texas Football, Sleeping King, jplvr, theprince, wdcrob, Charvik, Gianmarco, Randall146
Manchester City - editor47, Derek, TitusIII, NYCelt (before this), whoknew, Scorchy
Manchester United - B Maverick, AAABatteries, JuniorNB, Bonzai, AcerFC, Txns8, Ted Lange as your Bartender, Ursa M
Newcastle - Polsonov, Z Machine

Southampton - GoFishTN, Roadkill, Kafka
Sunderland - Gianmarco
Swansea - Good Posting Judge, Jaysus, Autumn Wind
Tottenham - GoFishTN, Jonessed, jplvr, LHUCKS, Sinn Fein, Poke 4 Life

Watford - Christo
WBA - Steve Tasker
"Any team that is playing good soccer" - El Floppo

Championship
Blackpool - Jonessed, Otello
Bolton - berndog

Brighton & Hove Albion - Txns8, Roadkill1292
Derby County - Gator
Ipswich Town - Texas Football, Sparty

Leeds - Jaysus

Queen's Park Rangers - Christo, Bentley
Wolves - Boubucarow, theprince

Football League Two
AFC Wimbledon - Eephus

Northern Premier League, Premier Division
FC United of Manchester - otello


Spain

La Liga
Atletico Madrid - Z Machine
Barcelona - Desert Power, Sebowski, Kansas Comet, Jmon, The Reytheist, otello, Sinn Fein, ilov80s, blend
Real Madrid - Z's wife, Derek
Sevilla - Kansas Comet

Segunda Division

Real Zaragoza - Kafka

Italy
Serie A
Inter - El Floppo, Texas Football
Fiorentina - Gianmarco
Juventus - Boubucarow
Milan - Soulfly3, Gianmarco

Napoli - Z Machine
Roma - Sebowski, Good Posting Judge, Charvik, Kafka, The Hardline
Udinese - eagles2007

Serie C1
Ascoli - otello

Germany
Bundesliga
Bayern Munchen - Mjolnirs, Short Corner, Sparty, The Hardline
Borussia Dortmund - eagles2007, editor47, Boubucarow, SmoovySmoov, Z Machine, Sinn Fein, Good Posting Judge, Ramsay Hunt Experience, blend

Borussia Monchengladbach - Poke 4 Life
Eintracht Frankfurt - Eephus
VfB Stuttgart - kblitz

Werder Bremen - Kafka

2. Bundesliga
1. FC Nurnberg - Bonzai
FC Kaiserslautern - Charvik
FC St. Pauli - Christo

France

Ligue 1

PSG - Eephus

Scotland
Scottish Premiership
Celtic - walnutz, PIK95, NYCelt

Scottish Championship

Hearts - Steve Tasker, Donsmith753
Rangers - Senor Schmutzig


USA
MLS
Chicago Fire - Senor Schmutzig, Vipers, Christo, Boubucarow
Columbus Crew - Bonzai, Derek
DC United - walnutz, Jmon, wdcrob
FC Dallas - Txns8, The Hardline
Houston Dynamo - Txns8, whoknew
LA Galaxy - Kansas Comet, Z Machine, The Reytheist
New England Revolution - andy b, PIK95, Randall146
New York Red Bulls - JuniorNB, El Floppo, AcerFC

NYC FC - El Floppo
Philadelphia Union - Z's wife, eagles2007, editor47, Ted Lange as your Bartender, otello, Jaysus, Autumn Wind
San Jose Earthquakes - Good Posting Judge
Seattle Sounders - Vipers, SmoovySmoov

Sporting Kansas City - Poke 4 Life
Toronto FC - Steve Tasker

Vancouver - Waiver Wire

"American Promotion/Relegation System" - Roadkill

NASL
Carolina Railhawks - walnutz

USL Professional Division
Charleston Battery - Mjolnirs, walnutz, Desert Power

Harrisburg City Islanders - Jaysus


Argentina
Boca Juniors - Steve Tasker, walnutz, El Floppo
Newell's Old Boys - Z Machine
River Plate - Z's wife, Kafka

Mexico
Chivas Guadalajara - Z Machine
Tijuana Xolos - Sebowski
UNAM Pumas - Z's wife

Croatia
Hajduk Split - kblitz

Brazil
Botafogo - Z Machine
Flamengo - Abrantes, Sebowski

Egypt
Al-Ahly - Jmon

Turkey
Besiktas - Good Posting Judge
Fenerbahce - Steve Tasker

Serbia
Red Star Belgrade - Sparty

Poland

Legia Warsaw - Kafka

Time to update?

 

[El Floppo]

Any team anywhere that has a US player. *

*Unless it's Liverpool  or Milan because #### them.

 

[Ned]

International - How can any of you like someone other than USMNT?!?!  

EPL - Watford. I am a closet Chelsea fan, but can't go on record since my youngest likes them and my oldest hates them. I'd be picking sides if I came out.  Diego Costa and Willian   

Bundesliga - Dortmund

MLS - Philly Union

ASL - Delaware Stars FC

 

[Christo]

I need to be added to my beloved Barca.

 

[The Gator]

We need a contingency plan in place in case this all goes belly up. Where should we meet and gather if that happens? 

Does www.CR7isagod.com have a usable forum, @The Gator? 

Yes

There's an avatar requirement, though. CR7 shirtless or holding the European championship trophy.

Anything else brings the ban hammer

 

[gianmarco]

Yes

There's an avatar requirement, though. CR7 shirtless or holding the European championship trophy.

Anything else brings the ban hammer

Any idea where I can find any of those pictures?

 

[Sebowski]

That club (Shanghai Shenua (??? or somethinglikethat) had a rocky period with fractured ownership disputes and such. They got new owners and I think are doing fine now - Demba Ba, Freddy Guarin and some other stars from the West.

This word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Good NYT piece on some guy from Rome.  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/sports/soccer/francesco-totti-roma.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

 

[Txns8]

ATLUTD a bargain!!

 

[Steve Tasker]

list updated

 

[CGRdrJoe]

A little late but

DIEGO DIEGO DIEGO

 

[NewlyRetired]

Man, I know we have all been in locker rooms and know what the talk is like but how dumb do these kids need to be to put this stuff online?  This is just like the Harvard one

Washington University (St. Louis) men's soccer indefinitely suspended