had to chuckle at thatPoch's press conference today: All is forgiven, time to move on.
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had to chuckle at thatPoch's press conference today: All is forgiven, time to move on.
Ned
Footballguy
Press today:
12.30pm - Spurs falling apart, everyone leaving.
POCHETTINO Press conference
2.30pm - Come on you Spurs! Haha, look at Liverpool!
I think there is a technicality. PSG did not spend any money on Neymar - they essentially signed him on a Free Transfer - true story.
Neymar himself bought out his contract from Barcelona - that in fact was part of the delay, the funds had to come from Neymar personally. Now, where it gets sticky is that Qatar Sports Investments recently signed Neymar to a €300M contract to be an "ambassador" for Qatar 2022. Coincidentally, Qatar Sports Investment also owns PSG - lucky them that Neymar decided to use his new found riches to buy out his Barça contract...
El Floppo
Footballguy
yeah- amazing.
that's some crazy lucky for everyone involved to help make it all work out. super duper lucky.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
PSG will surely have to declare this type of third party payment for FFP accounting purposes. The difficulty in part is that it simply won't be known for some time how they account for this transaction. Break-even compliance is reviewed and enforced on an annual basis, and it will probably be some time before PSG is required to submit financials for this summer. The big question will be whether PSG has the (legitimate) income to support its expenditures within the ranges allowed by FFP. I've got no idea how it will play out, but one question I have is, how much would it be worth to Qatar World Cup '22 to have Neymar as an ambassador? If PSG owns Neymar's marketing rights, can it sell that service to Qatar? If so, what is the reasonable fair value of that service? The time PSG was sanctioned for FFP violations a few years ago was not because it spent too much, but because it artificially inflated the revenue side through juiced marketing agreements with Qatar-based interests. In other words, the marketing deals were not FMV / arm's length prices.
That becomes something to litigate over - and why some are not enamored with state-ownership. In the Man City (and I think PSG) cases previously - there were arguments made that the sponsorship funds paid directly to the clubs were not market-value transactions, and had to be scaled back.
In this case though, the payment is directly to the player* - presumably the club had no say in how that player used the money - and while we all "know" differently - it would be hard to prove otherwise.
I would say that PSG/Qatar Sports Investment have exploited a legitimate loophole here - legally speaking.
*ETA - at the time of the payments - Neymar was a Barcelona player, not even under PSG control...
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Sammy3469
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I suppose its possible, but it would take some balls for PSG/Qatar to make that argument as it undoubtedly violates the spirit if not the rule of the FFP "reporting perimeter" structure. Its hard to imagine there were no agreements or legal controls in place with that amount of money changing hands. I hate to geek out on this, but I think the CAS Petrolul Ploiesti v UEFA case is somewhat instructive, for those who are interested: https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared Documents/3453.pdf
In a manner of speaking. But, not really.
Once Neymar bought out his contract for €222M, he was free to sign with any team. Now, we all know he only bought out his contract so that he could sign with PSG. And we "know" that Neymar could only afford to buy out his contract from Barça because of the bogus Qatar 2022 contract given by the same group that owns PSG.
SO, yes, this stinks to high heaven. And it is clearly circumventing the FFP rules - but it appears to be a loophole for which FFP is not prepared to deal with.
I did not read
This is distinguishable from a situation, where PSG pays below market wages to Neymar to stay within FFP, and QSI then pays him a separate wage as its "ambassador" - that would fall within the reporting perimeter.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I'm only saying the case is somewhat instructive, of course not directly on point. It seems to me the key aspect of the reporting perimeter concept is directly at issue:
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
But avoiding the transfer fee is not transferring the obligation to pay the employee.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Wouldn't some of this mess been alleviated if Spain had transfer rules more similar to the rest of the UEFA leagues? I confess to not being as informed about this as most of the rest of you.
I think these hit the nail on the head - La Liga's rules of requiring the player to buy out his own contract led to this situation.
If PSG were required to buy out the contract - then I think QSI's involvement would be within the "reporting perimeter".
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Strictly speaking, no. But this transaction structure, if PSG is indeed claiming a zero transfer purchase price, is certainly transferring an obligation outside the core club structures in order to escape monitoring requirements under the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play system. When a player is acquired via release clause, its always the player (not the acquiring club) who technically pays the fee. He is buying out his own contract.
AAABatteries
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NewlyRetired
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Taylor TwellmanVerified account @TaylorTwellman
.@MLS signed 31 players during this past window with an average age of 25.67 & only one player with an age of 30+
.@MLS signed 31 players during this past window with an average age of 25.67 & only one player with an age of 30+
Looks like the tabloids have temporarily picked a new team to target:
Costa - Chelsea have treated me like a criminal
Cesar Azpilicueta berates Chelsea board: We need new signings - or we won't win league
Costa - Chelsea have treated me like a criminal
Cesar Azpilicueta berates Chelsea board: We need new signings - or we won't win league
Jaysus
Good times!
a) I scored a butt goal once (it was one of just two goals I ever scored in travel ball) - I was ridiculed for it
b) I would have shanked flip PK kid the next time I was near him
c) I love indirect free kick goals
d) GB that Ronaldo goalzo
e) how on earth the Thiago score from there.
Ned
Footballguy
The Z Machine
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I've scored a butt goal and it isn't even the most embarrassing goal I've scored.
My very first game in a really casual adult league, I hadn't really played since some intramural in college. I scored tripping over the ball.
El Floppo
Footballguy
loved the throw-in one. I tried to do something similar on an indirect freekick against the last defender, but didn't work out so well for me.
also scored with the butt, stomach, hip, knee, shoulder... pretty much every part of my body except the actual act of making passionate, passionate love to the ball. you know... with my pecker.
I could watch that roberto carlos free kick forever. the bend he gets on it plus the power- an all-timer. wish they showed the ball more clearly there. had never noticed the frenchmen? put up a 4 man wall... for a free kick from about 40 yards.
still love the DOGGY DOGGY goal.
and yeah- the thiago goal was pretty insane... and yeah- I'd have gotten a bit of flesh later on from the PK flipper, ####### guy.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I noticed how aggressive the RM players were with the ref after the penalty was called on Suarez' dive. They grabbed his arm and shirt, stuff that would not be tolerated in American sports or (I think) even in England. Ronaldo's shove was only a small step further from what the ref had already allowed. Crazy game. The Classico always delivers. The epic drama, incredible talent, tactics, intensity. There's nothing like it anywhere else in sports as far as I know.
Paulinho move is official now. Certainly comes in a position of dire need, as yesterday's game showed, but I am never a fan of spending a lot of money on a player of that age...Particularly one that flopped on their last big chance.
Any opinions on what to expect?
Any opinions on what to expect?
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
Katharina just tweeted that she's officially sold some part of Southampton FC to a Chinese father and daughter.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't want Jack Wilshere to go to Newcastle to be paired with Jonjo Shelvey in center midfield. I need Jack Wilshere to go to Newcastle to be paired with Jonjo Shelvey in center midfield. We all need it.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I love the sport but this is getting ludicrous from a sporting point of view.
From Reddit.
PSG will start forwards who cost $350m against Guingamp. The defenders from Guingamp cost combined about $1m
From Reddit.
PSG will start forwards who cost $350m against Guingamp. The defenders from Guingamp cost combined about $1m
El Floppo
Footballguy
roadkill1292
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El Floppo
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B Maverick
Footballguy
I just don't understand the fascination with taking your shirt off after a goal. Its an automatic yellow and you are putting yourself in the hands of the ref for a 2nd yellow. CR7 gets a yellow for diving. Whether he did or not, and most reports are he didnt dive and Suarez did and got a PK, the ref gave it to him. It wouldnt have been as big a deal aside from the did he or suarez dive debate, if he hadnt got the completely avoidable 1st card for his shirt.
B Maverick
Footballguy
as for United, that was definitely an encouraging result to see. I was extremely happy that up 2-0, despite putting in 
they didnt seem to park the bus and they kept attacking. 2 things I saw that were missing since the departure of SAF, the counter attack with pace and determination and putting a team away. The first goal was a classic SAF counter. Went with pace and multiple players running at the defense. Then, up 2-0 you felt the last 3-4 years was about holding on. Even last season you wondered if they would give up a goal or two. Yesterday, like SAF, they went and got 2 more to put the game away. Very nice to see.
they didnt seem to park the bus and they kept attacking. 2 things I saw that were missing since the departure of SAF, the counter attack with pace and determination and putting a team away. The first goal was a classic SAF counter. Went with pace and multiple players running at the defense. Then, up 2-0 you felt the last 3-4 years was about holding on. Even last season you wondered if they would give up a goal or two. Yesterday, like SAF, they went and got 2 more to put the game away. Very nice to see.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I kept saying last year that Pogba was creating a lot of opportunities for himself and just missing. always had the feeling that if some of those went in, he'd have been off to a totally different season with some big numbers. maybe this year unlocks that potential? I think we all said over the summer what a potentially great pairing he and Matic could be... man- looks like it.as for United, that was definitely an encouraging result to see. I was extremely happy that up 2-0, despite putting in
Jaysus
Good times!
That was a pretty fun game to watch, I am going to have a hard time rooting against Chelsea Jr this season.as for United, that was definitely an encouraging result to see. I was extremely happy that up 2-0, despite putting in
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The Chargers have spent millions of dollars upgrading Stub Hub Center. Upgrades that the Galaxy will benefit from for years to come after the Chargers move out.
I saw a tweet showing the Galaxy drew more to their Saturday game than the Chargers did to their Sunday preseason game. Sure it is just preseason, but still it is the NFL.
I saw a tweet showing the Galaxy drew more to their Saturday game than the Chargers did to their Sunday preseason game. Sure it is just preseason, but still it is the NFL.
