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***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (6 Viewers)

Best Player:  Luka Modric

Best Goalkeeper:  Keylor Navas

Best Defender:  Sergio Ramos

Best Midfielder:  Luka Modric

Best Attacker:  Cristiano Ronaldo
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Domination by Real Madrid.

My first though was, what will Real do with Navas/Courtois?  Seems like a very awkward situation there.

 
Not a horrible draw for United.  Of course everyone wanted Lokomotiv and to miss the big names.  But avoiding Barca, Bayern, RM isnt bad.  Juventus, Atletico and PSG would be the next group. 

If United gets their head out of their  :censored:  and play, they should advance over Valencia and Young Boys. The draw also doesn't give them a sense that they should progress no problem so hopefully they take it seriously.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Group A - I think a fun matchup among Atletico, Dortmund and Monaco  - I assume Atletico go through, no idea who joins them

Group B - Another set of good matches, I expect Spurs to edge Inter, and join Barça in the knockout round

Group C - Fun matchups with PSG, Napoli and Liverpool, followed by a trip to Serbia.  PSG and Liverpool to advance

Group D - Least exciting, most competitive?  No idea who makes it out of this group.  Odds-makers say Porto and Galatsaray

Group E - Bayern should walk this, and I think Ajax can challenge Benfica for the 2nd spot

Group F - City strolls, Shakhtar and Lyon battle for 2nd

Group G - Madrid will not finish 2nd this season - Roma should also get through comfortably

Group H - Juventus and United - aging teams with just enough walkers to get past Young Boys.
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aging?

 
Sinn Fein said:
Group A: Atletico, Dortmund, Monaco, Club Brugge

Group B: Barcelona, Tottenham, PSV, Inter

Group C: PSG, Napoli, Liverpool, Red Star Belgrade

Group D: Lokomotiv, Porto, Schalke, Galatasaray

Group E: Bayern, Benfica, Ajax, AEK

Group F: Manchester City, Shakhtar Donetsk, Lyon, Hoffenheim

Group G: Real Madrid, Roma, CSKA Moscva, Plezn

Group H: Juventus, Manchester United, Valencia, Young Boys
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You missed S####horpe

 
Fixture list released

Spurs get Inter in matchday 1 to immediately follow the Liverpool league match...

Home to Barça Match day 2 - at Wembley

Away and then home with PSV on match day 4 and 5.

Stadiums for PSV and Inter at home TBD - i.e. could be in new stadium by then.

 
SaveTheCrew is still breathing :)   

If they some how resurrect The Crew after Precourt snakes out of town, they are going to have an instant wonderful rivalry with Austin.

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Clay Hall‏Verified account @claywsyx6

BREAKING: @MLS officials took an aerial tour of Columbus last week & signed off on proposed downtown stadium site & training facility, perhaps old Cooper Stadium site. Atlanta owner Arthur Blank said recently he could see soccer in Austin & Cols.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Valencia is 42

Young, is, well, not Young 

:fro:  wrong side of  30

Sanchez is 29, going on 40

And Jose won't play the youngsters - so, yeah, aging...
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So 4 are older, and only 2 of them are going to start....

All joking aside they have a nice mix in terms of ages, at least of those you might see:

                       De Gea 27
Valencia 33 Bailley 24 Lindelof 24 Shaw 23
                        Matic 30
Mata 30 Fred 25 Pogba 25 Sanchez 29
                       Lukaku 25

Martial 22, Rashford 20, Perriera 22, Young 33, Darmien 28, Smalling 28, Lingard 25, Herrera 29
McTominay 21, Fellaini 30

8 starters under 30, 2 at 30, 1 over...
8 bench under 30, 1 at 30, 1 over...

Wouldn't call them aging

 
Sinn Fein said:
Fixture list released

Spurs get Inter in matchday 1 to immediately follow the Liverpool league match...

Home to Barça Match day 2 - at Wembley

Away and then home with PSV on match day 4 and 5.

Stadiums for PSV and Inter at home TBD - i.e. could be in new stadium by then.
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United with the back to back Juventus games, matchday 3 and 4.  Home on 10/23, away 11/7

Open with Young Boys away 9/19, home leg 11/27 (matchday 5)

Valencia at home matchday 2 10/2 with matchday 6 closing out the group on 12/12 away.

 
@claywsyx6: BREAKING: @MLS officials took an aerial tour of Columbus last week & signed off on proposed downtown stadium site & training facility, perhaps old Cooper Stadium site. Atlanta owner Arthur Blank said recently he could see soccer in Austin & Cols. @ColumbusCrewSC #SaveTheCrew

 
JaxBill said:
@claywsyx6: BREAKING: @MLS officials took an aerial tour of Columbus last week & signed off on proposed downtown stadium site & training facility, perhaps old Cooper Stadium site. Atlanta owner Arthur Blank said recently he could see soccer in Austin & Cols. @ColumbusCrewSC #SaveTheCrew
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I hope they give Austin an expansion team...

 
Sorry @The Gator one more Liverpool post...

Just saw this on Reddit:   :shock:

Liverpool Fixtures over a 3-week period:

15th September - 7th October

Spurs away (Prem)

PSG at home (Champions League)

Southampton at home (Prem)

Chelsea at home (Carabao cup)

Chelsea away (Prem)

Napoli away (Champions League)

Man City at home (Prem)

That is a pretty stern test of both depth and quality.

 
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@Eephus :thumbup:

Spurs were drawn at home against Watford in League Cup 3rd round, but neither Wembley, nor the new stadium will be available that week - so Spurs have asked that the match be moved to MK Stadium.

Excerpt of Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust letter to the Club:

As a supporters’ organisation, we would obviously not be happy to see our club’s home games moved to Stadium MK. Should the game go ahead, we would urge fans to consider the history of the MK club and the views of our friends at AFC Wimbledon. 

Board members of THST will not be attending the match if it is played at Stadium MK.

THST Board
30 August 2018

 
NewlyRetired said:
SaveTheCrew is still breathing :)   

If they some how resurrect The Crew after Precourt snakes out of town, they are going to have an instant wonderful rivalry with Austin.

====================================

Clay Hall‏Verified account @claywsyx6

BREAKING: @MLS officials took an aerial tour of Columbus last week & signed off on proposed downtown stadium site & training facility, perhaps old Cooper Stadium site. Atlanta owner Arthur Blank said recently he could see soccer in Austin & Cols.
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well that did not last long

Jeff Carlisle‏Verified account @JeffreyCarlisle

Statement from MLS via text message: "There is no truth to the report that MLS officials took an aerial tour of Columbus last week or signed off on any potential stadium site.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Fixture list released

Spurs get Inter in matchday 1 to immediately follow the Liverpool league match...

Home to Barça Match day 2 - at Wembley

Away and then home with PSV on match day 4 and 5.

Stadiums for PSV and Inter at home TBD - i.e. could be in new stadium by then.
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Good.  My wife has another London trip in mid-late October.  And Wembley is a great stadium for soccer..  I really didn't want another reason to join her, because London is so much fun.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Sorry @The Gator one more Liverpool post...

Just saw this on Reddit:   :shock:

Liverpool Fixtures over a 3-week period:

15th September - 7th October

Spurs away (Prem)

PSG at home (Champions League)

Southampton at home (Prem)

Chelsea at home (Carabao cup)

Chelsea away (Prem)

Napoli away (Champions League)

Man City at home (Prem)

That is a pretty stern test of both depth and quality.
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That nice break against Chelsea back to back will help

 
Another tough draw for Atlético. Let's hope that this time they can start scoring goals earlier in the season. Draws in CL games won't cut it.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Of the US strikers I've seen:  Donovan, Dempsey, Wynalda, Altidore, McBride, JMM

But Dempsey was my favorite.
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McBride was my first favorite Striker. Donovan I never liked. Always came off as the rich kid who cried when he didn't get his way type. And then he acted like a complete baby when he was off the USMNT Roster with Jurgen. He was past his prime at that point anyway with a dwindling down career. 

 
First comment after the Deadspin story about the CL groups: "Tough draw for Arsenal."

Second comment: "They'll still find a way to lose to Bayern in the quarterfinals."

 
Europa League Groups for PL teams:

Group E: ARSENAL, Sporting Lisbon, Qarabag, Vorskla Poltava

Group L: CHELSEA, PAOK, BATE Borisov, MOL Vidi

 
DJackson10 said:
McBride was my first favorite Striker. Donovan I never liked. Always came off as the rich kid who cried when he didn't get his way type. And then he acted like a complete baby when he was off the USMNT Roster with Jurgen. He was past his prime at that point anyway with a dwindling down career. 
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Jurgen put his dislike of Landon ahead of the needs of the team and it cost them

 
DJackson10 said:
McBride was my first favorite Striker. Donovan I never liked. Always came off as the rich kid who cried when he didn't get his way type. And then he acted like a complete baby when he was off the USMNT Roster with Jurgen. He was past his prime at that point anyway with a dwindling down career. 
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McBride was awesome- gave every inch and ounce of blood fro the team... and was good holding it up, or being the fox in the box or winning the air balls. 

Wynalda was my first fave. I'd only been aware of guys like Bruce Murray before... pedestrian, plodding, score a goal here or there but kind of cringey typical US player (at that point) to watch. friend/ex-teammate played college ball with Wynalda and said he was a total jerk, but I saw him play a college game on tv and he was pulling stuff we'd only try on the practice field.. but at full speed and with ill-intent. 

Deuce is my favorite- always scoring huge goals, always trying ####, and was hugely talented. loved how he could combine with quality guys (always sad he couldn't find ways to more regularly do that with the US). 

gonna disagree with you about landon. yeah- he was his own guy and needed a comfort zone. but he was always on 110% for the US, scored or created goal after massive goal and was able to burden being the face of the team for a loooong time. was also massive for his clubs in the US. and the JK ####ed up by not bringing him to the WC- the US needed his presence, even off the bench, more than a guy like Brad Davis (who I like).

 
DJackson10 said:
McBride was my first favorite Striker. Donovan I never liked. Always came off as the rich kid who cried when he didn't get his way type. And then he acted like a complete baby when he was off the USMNT Roster with Jurgen. He was past his prime at that point anyway with a dwindling down career. 
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:goodposting:

Have we talked about this before?  This reads like I wrote it.  LD didnt deserve to be there.  Left the team during qualifying and expected to not only be on the roster but to start.  I could listen to arguments why he should have been there over Wondo, but will disagree and believe he wouldnt have done anything to help. 

 
El Floppo said:
McBride was awesome- gave every inch and ounce of blood fro the team... and was good holding it up, or being the fox in the box or winning the air balls. 

Wynalda was my first fave. I'd only been aware of guys like Bruce Murray before... pedestrian, plodding, score a goal here or there but kind of cringey typical US player (at that point) to watch. friend/ex-teammate played college ball with Wynalda and said he was a total jerk, but I saw him play a college game on tv and he was pulling stuff we'd only try on the practice field.. but at full speed and with ill-intent. 

Deuce is my favorite- always scoring huge goals, always trying ####, and was hugely talented. loved how he could combine with quality guys (always sad he couldn't find ways to more regularly do that with the US). 

gonna disagree with you about landon. yeah- he was his own guy and needed a comfort zone. but he was always on 110% for the US, scored or created goal after massive goal and was able to burden being the face of the team for a loooong time. was also massive for his clubs in the US. and the JK ####ed up by not bringing him to the WC- the US needed his presence, even off the bench, more than a guy like Brad Davis (who I like).
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Not a striker, but I always loved Demarcus Beasely. In the 02 World Cup, I didnt think there were many players that could keep up with him. Was annoyed that Arena didnt lean on him more as the tourney progressed. He was lightning in a bottle when he was younger.

 
El Floppo said:
McBride was awesome- gave every inch and ounce of blood fro the team... and was good holding it up, or being the fox in the box or winning the air balls. 

Wynalda was my first fave. I'd only been aware of guys like Bruce Murray before... pedestrian, plodding, score a goal here or there but kind of cringey typical US player (at that point) to watch. friend/ex-teammate played college ball with Wynalda and said he was a total jerk, but I saw him play a college game on tv and he was pulling stuff we'd only try on the practice field.. but at full speed and with ill-intent. 

Deuce is my favorite- always scoring huge goals, always trying ####, and was hugely talented. loved how he could combine with quality guys (always sad he couldn't find ways to more regularly do that with the US). 

gonna disagree with you about landon. yeah- he was his own guy and needed a comfort zone. but he was always on 110% for the US, scored or created goal after massive goal and was able to burden being the face of the team for a loooong time. was also massive for his clubs in the US. and the JK ####ed up by not bringing him to the WC- the US needed his presence, even off the bench, more than a guy like Brad Davis (who I like).
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The interesting thing about this conversation is that neither Landon or Dempsey were full time strikers in their career like McBride was.  Even Waldo was used as a winger for many years when he had his legs.

This is what makes Sargent so interesting to me.  He looks like he might be our first pure quality true number 9 we have ever produced.   While McBride was a fun player who got every thing he could out of his skill set, he was not a pure goal scorer.   I sometimes think he was so complete a player it covered up that he did not put the ball in the net with the frequency one would like for an out and out striker.

 
NewlyRetired said:
The interesting thing about this conversation is that neither Landon or Dempsey were full time strikers in their career like McBride was.  Even Waldo was used as a winger for many years when he had his legs.

This is what makes Sargent so interesting to me.  He looks like he might be our first pure quality true number 9 we have ever produced.   While McBride was a fun player who got every thing he could out of his skill set, he was not a pure goal scorer.   I sometimes think he was so complete a player it covered up that he did not put the ball in the net with the frequency one would like for an out and out striker.
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funny- I think of mcbride scoring goals... but I think you're right. what always registered for me- he made the guys around him better... always making that extra run to provide support or get in the box, or winning/holding the ball up front and getting his team-mates involved with a quick outlet touch.

I'd say Jozy is a true striker, as you're hoping for Sargent. and even though he has his wtf moments/games, the guy has produced and is the first of the really all-around talents we've had up front. always been a fan of his A game. his grabby, whiney, pissy, head-case C game, not so much.

 
El Floppo said:
funny- I think of mcbride scoring goals... but I think you're right. what always registered for me- he made the guys around him better... always making that extra run to provide support or get in the box, or winning/holding the ball up front and getting his team-mates involved with a quick outlet touch.

I'd say Jozy is a true striker, as you're hoping for Sargent. and even though he has his wtf moments/games, the guy has produced and is the first of the really all-around talents we've had up front. always been a fan of his A game. his grabby, whiney, pissy, head-case C game, not so much.
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Jozy is a perfect example.  I want Sargent to follow Jozy's path but not have the ceiling issues.  Jozy could not break through into a league above Holland or MLS.  If Sargent can in Germany, I think this puts him on an excellent path to be better than Jozy.

 
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