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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (2 Viewers)
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Penguin
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He was flashier than he is now, driving A Caddy with LWRYUP as his license plate and always wearing flashy color shirts and ties
Not the same guy working out of the boiler room at a nail salon driving a 15 year old broken down yellow piece of sh!t or a Ford Tauris with one suit
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Leeroy Jenkins
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It is unclear to me whether the guy who shaved was a body double like referenced above (I never thought of that) or was someone in hiding that was now about to be unleashed. I thought it was another Salamanca who was now going to help.
It seems Saul is going to eventually get his $2MM from the Sand Piper settlement and that is how he affords this crazy house (plus all of the other shady stuff he will get into).
The safe. I don't get it. Mike plants an envelope with bank accounts/transfers and the phone number for where Nacho is staying. This is so the Cartel finds him. Not sure why he would have this information in an envelope in a safe though logically. But if the plan was to let them find him, why now try to go in and save him? Whether Lalo was dead or alive, Nacho is still a traitor caught who can rat out Gus. Why have a guy watching him? Why help him at all if the plan was to let him get caught?
It seems Saul is going to eventually get his $2MM from the Sand Piper settlement and that is how he affords this crazy house (plus all of the other shady stuff he will get into).
The safe. I don't get it. Mike plants an envelope with bank accounts/transfers and the phone number for where Nacho is staying. This is so the Cartel finds him. Not sure why he would have this information in an envelope in a safe though logically. But if the plan was to let them find him, why now try to go in and save him? Whether Lalo was dead or alive, Nacho is still a traitor caught who can rat out Gus. Why have a guy watching him? Why help him at all if the plan was to let him get caught?
scorchy
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I'm likely somewhat confused too, but I think that if Lalo was dead, the idea was that the cartel would simply kill him. Once Gus told him that Lalo was still alive, Mike realized they needed to rescue Nacho instead. This was borne out by the twins saying they needed Nacho alive (so they could torture the info out of him).
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
But wouldn't they want that information whether Lalo was dead or alive? And now they have him alive, and they let him call Mike, making it clear Gus is involved? The last part makes no sense, so I was thinking it was not Nacho calling and Mike was faking it -- but Gus was getting on the phone next, so I don't know.
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Leeroy Jenkins
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belljr
Footballguy
huh?
When the TWINS show up the body is in the kitchen. They think its Lalo.
the scene with lalo at the small house was just after..... them seeing the bodies was later
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Are you saying he killed this guy, then burned his body, then had it swapped at the coroner's with the burned body that was found in the kitchen earlier in the day?
belljr
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jamny
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PhillipPhoto
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Mike doesn't take any pleasure doing it, but, step 1 is planting the bank deposits in Peru and Nacho's fake ID so it looks like he's working for the Columbians and not Gus. It's covering Gus's tracks just in case Mike/Gus can't or don't save him.
The guy is watching him while Gus tries to find out if Lalo is really dead or not. And as insurance that he can kill him if it looks like the Cartel is going to get to him first, trying to take him alive. Nacho spoils that by taking him out before the cousins get there.
If Lalo is dead, Nacho might be worth saving.
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Pigskin Fanatic
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they don't show the when/how and the timing of this all happening before the cops get to Lalo's house a bit questionable, but there are enough clues in the conversation sequence with the body double guy: Lalo grabs the scissors, clearly ready to kill the wife and the guy (another questionable scene, it's that easy to take a pair of scissors apart?) He told the guy to keep the stache and the goatee, clearly to make him look like Lalo, and when he's done washing his face the camera shows both of them on screen to show they look alike. Before that he thanked Lalo for the dentist who fixed his teeth, thought that was obviously for the dental records.
jamny
Footballguy
I questioned that too and my wife said her mother had them where you just shift one over a bit and they come apart easily.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I thought they showed that they looked alike because they are related. Seemed like the guy knew something and was shaving because "it was time" and I didn't perceive that to mean time to volunteer his teeth. But I hear you and it does make some sense.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
this is a very good question. is it possible Varga got away? or that call scene with Gus and Mike was before the cartel got to him and the timeline is flipped to confuse us on purpose?
another possibility. The guy in the shed whom Varga knocked out right before the twins get there. the voice on the phone is Gus's guy and not related to the Salamancas, so he and his people could show up and save Varga somehow.
Next episode can't come soon enough!
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
Do we ever see Gene Takovic again?
Every season opener until this season was a flash forward to Gene in Omaha working at Cinnabon. This season instead they flash forward to Saul's house being raided, and this being the final season what is that a set up for?
a) Walt and Jesse make at least an appearance at some point this season. The current timeline between BCS and BB is about 4 years so unless it's a couple of chance encounters it will be included in another flash forward. And it can't be to Gene's timeline because Walt is dead. That leaves going into the BB timeline and it's likely that Saul's house raid is towards the end of BB.
b) There are more episodes in this two part season so they might address the Gene timeline later on in a longer flash forward, even taking up an entire episode.
c) We don't see or hear of Kim in BB. I think what happens to her could be the biggest focus of the season since Jimmy has become Saul and we already know much of Saul's future. The house raid flash forward, with the bottle stopper falling into the gutter seems like a foreshadowing of her demise. But again, we don't think she is around at the end of BB, however the Viagra and pink under ware proves a female presence!
Every season opener until this season was a flash forward to Gene in Omaha working at Cinnabon. This season instead they flash forward to Saul's house being raided, and this being the final season what is that a set up for?
a) Walt and Jesse make at least an appearance at some point this season. The current timeline between BCS and BB is about 4 years so unless it's a couple of chance encounters it will be included in another flash forward. And it can't be to Gene's timeline because Walt is dead. That leaves going into the BB timeline and it's likely that Saul's house raid is towards the end of BB.
b) There are more episodes in this two part season so they might address the Gene timeline later on in a longer flash forward, even taking up an entire episode.
c) We don't see or hear of Kim in BB. I think what happens to her could be the biggest focus of the season since Jimmy has become Saul and we already know much of Saul's future. The house raid flash forward, with the bottle stopper falling into the gutter seems like a foreshadowing of her demise. But again, we don't think she is around at the end of BB, however the Viagra and pink under ware proves a female presence!
ZADO
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PhillipPhoto
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Viagra and pink panties are a sign of a female. Another drug, Numilifor, is a fake drug callback to a commercial seen in Season 5.
The small toys are bennie babies that Jimmy used to bribe the court council administrator with.
The notebook is cipher, criminals use code to record transactions.
Jimmy did bingo at Sandpiper retirement home.
One of the photos was the (or copy of) the incrementing Mesa Verde photo they saw at the CEOs home.
The Caddy was the car he used in all of BB (someone else already pointed this out).
The ball cap was Panavision, that Saul was wearing when directing and making commercials. (someone else already pointed this out).
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PhillipPhoto
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It was a game of cat and mouse. They had a plan to get him out (farm truck, jump in the back, it's going to be quick), but why risk that if Lalo is still alive? They were also watching him while they were trying to find out if Lalo is still alive, not to save him, but kill him before being captured alive. The mouse (Nacho) realizes he's being watched and does escape, despite two more cats (the cousins) showing up. Nacho calls to say he's running on his own, then the guy watching him phone rings. There is no doubt the guy watching him worked for Gus.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah, kitchen scissors do that. The first time I used ours and they came apart I thought they were broke.
Wait, what? Nobody volunteered any teeth. Lalo has a dentist who did dental work on Mateo (the guy with the beard) so that his teeth matched Lalos.
When Mateo comes inside, his wife tells him to clean and shave for Don Eduardo. On his way to the bathroom, Lalo tells him to "keep the mustache and soul patch".
Lalo prepared that guy to be a body double knowing he was probably gonna need one. Similar looks/build, same facial hair...burn the body, and they have to use dental records for identification.
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offdee
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I think his question is why the guy just automatically knew it was time to shave his beard just because Lalo was there. Lalo never said, "time to shave my friend", just made a comment about ZZ Top.
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belljr
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Body double basically confirmed by Giancarlo Esposito. But it still doesn't make sense -- that burned body was already in the kitchen. Lalo escaped to some country-side house, murdered them, burnt the body to a crisp, and then got that body back to his house before the feds and twins got there?
offdee
Footballguy
of course, I saw and heard that, but the guy has obviously grown that beard out for years. Why the need to shave at that moment and the bearded guy not questioning or pushing back one bit? A guy with a beard like that, it becomes his identity....you don't just shave it cuz some friend is over having coffee.
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Uruk-Hai
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offdee
Footballguy
But he also didn't specifically demand for him to shave either. Just commented on the beard a bit.
Wingnut
Footballguy
They are basically in debt to Lalo. He got them goats from the woman's hometown and fixed the guys teeth.
When Lalo first sees him, hes surprised he has the beard and says he looks like a mountain man. Then she says "clean up and shave for Don Eduardo". Lalo tells him to keep the stache and soul patch (like his own). Then after he shaves, he asks Lalo how he looks. Lalo of course says "handsome" as the camera has both faces on screen to show the similaritiy.
It's a respect/fear thing. When the cartel guy you are in debt to stops by, you clean up and put your best foot forward. That's all they thought they were doing.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
That's all it took. His wife jumped right on it.
Wingnut lays it out better than I could.
You're just gonna have to roll with it, because that's all there is.
kupcho1
Footballguy
That's funny, I was thinking the same thing while watching. In fact, I started thinking about how I'm rooting for just about everyone, even Lalo.
On the other hand, Ozark. Don't get me wrong, its a great show, but I don't really care who survives.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Call me weird then, cause whether or not Nacho survives doesn’t really matter to me. He could have died in the motel shootout and I wouldn’t have thought twice about it.
identikit
Footballguy
His love and loyalty for his old man makes him a little different for me.
But I know it doesn't end well for him.
Probably not.
Jaysus
Good times!
This is a "two part" season... maybe we see Gene again at the start of the 2nd season? Regardless, my guess is the show wraps up in the Gene timeline though.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
totally on board with the bolded. i'm 99% sure that's what happened but there is the 1% out for the writers if it turns out there is more to this. that whole sequence going back to the episode where these bad-#### killing machines basically go down to one guy in a house is, let's say, rushed or was just poorly edited, probably.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
wasn't that Mike's car? I assumed it was Mike and didn't give it a second thought, but may have to go back and look again.
Major
Footballguy
Could be but I thought Mike was locked in with Gus. Doubt he'd have the time to follow around Saul as well. I'm thinking someone associated with Howard.
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wikkidpissah
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Lalo was my guess, though i'm not that good at these things
urbanhack
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Gatorman
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Based on the "this season on..." I would assume that Hamlin puts a tail on Saul. Saul has not been the most quiet in his distain for the blue wearing atty. The bag that fell out of his locker may have made him question if Saul was involved.
FWIW: I don't see Kim being fodder for the cartel thing. I do see her being the person who somehow gets caught up in the Hamlin/Goodman drama, especially since she seems to be pushing it.
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Pigskin Fanatic
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
no, but he's dead in Chihuahua, and he just got a big dose of "quien es mas macho?" from this huera - seems a muy Lalo way to chill.
offdee
Footballguy
And I'm assuming at some point Hamlin heard through the country club gossip that Saul was there that day with his theatrics.
