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*** Official Super Bowl LI Thread - Falcons vs Patriots *** (1 Viewer)

Tanner9919 said:
0-2 vs NYG when scoring less than 21 in SBs , so...

we are giving NE too much credit.this is not a great NE team.who have the beaten this season? They lost at home to sea a team blown out once by atl and nearly defeated another time in sea when Sherman decided to wear Julio's jersey on one play..

The ATL run game will kill NE all day long. Theyll have no answer for it.

We're dismissing that with these RBs ATL, Not NE, will win time of possession. 

I dont really see this as a close game ATL will pour it on.if its a track meet NE cant keep up.Macolm Butler is going to stop Julio? Please.theyll commit two guys to Julio.and Coleman takes it 50 yards down the sideline for a td.
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Lol. Some people really have no idea what they're talking about. The Patriots have one of the best run defenses in the league. If anything it'll be Blount/Lewis/White that run all over Atlanta. They can be run on and passed on with ease. They have 2 rookies starting in their secondary, just like the Steelers did. This isn't Green Bay's defense, its not gonna be easy to pour on the points against this Patriots secondary that features 2 All Pro's. People forget that this secondary has been together for the past 3 seasons (the only exception being Rowe), and they've played some great QBs over that time. 

 
Tanner9919 said:
0-2 vs NYG when scoring less than 21 in SBs , so...

we are giving NE too much credit.this is not a great NE team.who have the beaten this season? They lost at home to sea a team blown out once by atl and nearly defeated another time in sea when Sherman decided to wear Julio's jersey on one play..

The ATL run game will kill NE all day long. Theyll have no answer for it.

We're dismissing that with these RBs ATL, Not NE, will win time of possession. 

I dont really see this as a close game ATL will pour it on.if its a track meet NE cant keep up.Macolm Butler is going to stop Julio? Please.theyll commit two guys to Julio.and Coleman takes it 50 yards down the sideline for a td.
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ATL RB's averaged 172 yfs and 1.5 TD per game over 18 games. NE RB's averaged 141 yfs and 1.5 TD per game over 18 games. Dion Lewis being out 11 games didn't help NE's numbers.

In 18 games, ATL averaged 34.4 ppg. In 14 games with Brady, NE averaged 30.7 ppg, a difference of 3.7 ppg.
In 18 games, ATL allowed an average of 24.8 ppg. In 18 games, NE allowed an average of 15.7 points allowed, a difference of 9.1 ppg.

Bottom line, IMO, there is a better chance NE slows down the ATL offense than there is ATL slowing down the NE offense.

 
Faust said:
An open letter to Dan Quinn: Tips and suggestions on how to beat the Patriots
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I have no love for Greg Bedard (the few times I interacted with him, he didn't seem like the friendliest of guys). But he's mostly on the mark on this one.

Teams think they will be able to do what they want the way they usually do it. BB will force you do beat NE in other ways. I am still surprised at how well NE can execute things that they never ran before and inserted into the playbook specifically for an opponent. It makes it very hard to scheme against, because there will be times when the evil genius reaches deep into his bag of tricks for a call that could not have been scouted or a team to be fully prepared for.

Several times already this year, opponents had built some momentum to close the gap score-wise against NE, and the next drive the Pats would dial up that play that they were saving . . . that wrinkle that the defense wasn't expecting . . . that mismatch that they were saving . . . that play they could have taken down the field all game that you let your guard down in defending, and just like that, it's a length of the field TD and the score would be back to double digits. I am convinced they have a separate play book for "Break glass in case of an emergency" plays.

 
Sad that the SUPER BOWL THREAD on a FOOTBALL SITE falls to the second page during SUPER BOWL WEEK.

Not entirely apples to apples, but as a comparison . . .

NE this year allowed 250 points in the regular season. ATL this year allowed 406 points in the regular season.

Over the past 5 seasons, against teams that allowed 400+ points in the regular season, NE went 18-1, winning by an average score of 32-20. Against all other teams in that time, the Patriots averaged 29 ppg.

Over the past 5 years, against teams that allowed 300 or fewer points in the regular season, ATL went 7-13, with the average outcome 21-25. Against all other teams in that time, the Falcons averaged 27 ppg.
 

 
Anarchy99 said:
Rodgers admitted to doing what Brady was accused of doing to the inflation level of footballs, just on the other side of the inflation scale. 

Personally, I could care less about how much air is in the football. The only reason the rule is on the books is that was the recommended inflation level as suggested by the football manufacturer. 

The league chose to ignore Rodgers and other QBs and to focus on Brady instead. The league didn't care about the inflation level of footballs up until the AFCCG between NE and IND. and they haven't cared about it since. 

The whole thing is equivalent to driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone or taking a $50 tax deduction that you probably shouldn't have taken.  

But this has been discussed ad naseum for two years, so no need to regurgitate old debates.  If people want to then say Brady is a serial cheater, so be it. 
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As a Colts fan, I have come around on this. It's rather silly. I still think Brady should have just fessed up, but I'm over it.

 
pizzatyme said:
As a Colts fan, I have come around on this. It's rather silly. I still think Brady should have just fessed up, but I'm over it.
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I don't disagree that NE could have or should have handled things better but there were a few reasons that that was nearly impossible. For starters, this happened just before the Super Bowl. Admitting to wrong doing right before the SB could have resulted in a penalty that could have impacted that game. Given that the league pretty much moved immediately to conducting an investigation and hiring Wells as an investigator, I am not sure the fessing up would have made things go away. The other issue was the issue of what exactly the Pats were being accused of. The initial Mortensen report had blatantly incorrect information in it. The tone of his reporting made things out to be potentially way worse than what really happened.

Given that this was NE that was under scrutiny, I still think if they some how admitted that they had a process to prepare footballs that might have resulted in the balls being slightly under inflated, I would tend to think that residents of 44 states would have said AH-HA! If they admitted to it, they were doing way worse than that!. Long story short, I doubt this was getting swept under the rug because it was the Patriots. But I also understand that it only became an issue because of their prior acts.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't disagree that NE could have or should have handled things better but there were a few reasons that that was nearly impossible. For starters, this happened just before the Super Bowl. Admitting to wrong doing right before the SB could have resulted in a penalty that could have impacted that game. Given that the league pretty much moved immediately to conducting an investigation and hiring Wells as an investigator, I am not sure the fessing up would have made things go away. The other issue was the issue of what exactly the Pats were being accused of. The initial Mortensen report had blatantly incorrect information in it. The tone of his reporting made things out to be potentially way worse than what really happened.

Given that this was NE that was under scrutiny, I still think if they some how admitted that they had a process to prepare footballs that might have resulted in the balls being slightly under inflated, I would tend to think that residents of 44 states would have said AH-HA! If they admitted to it, they were doing way worse than that!. Long story short, I doubt this was getting swept under the rug because it was the Patriots. But I also understand that it only became an issue because of their prior acts.
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And in reality, who cares what pressure is in the ball? 10 or 30psi, let them play.

 
I am sure I will catch flack for this one, but here goes anyway.

The Falcons are riding a stretch of 12 games in a row with 0-1 turnovers including 4 consecutive games without a turnover. Prior to this current streak, the longest stretch that ATL had with Ryan at the helm was 6 games without 2 turnovers and their longest turnover free stretch was 3 games. (All since Ryan took over in 2008.)

Others will take a different stance on this, but IMO, the Falcons have not shown that this is a normal occurrence based on their history, so I am inclined to predict or project the Falcons to have 2 turnovers this week. Some people will say this is simply a THEY'RE DUE argument, and to some extend that's partly true, but the Falcons up until this year and this stretch have shown a propensity to turn the ball over more than 11 times in 18 games.

The counter argument is this year they haven't turned the ball over much so why should that change. Certainly there is some validity to that side of the ledger as well.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I am sure I will catch flack for this one, but here goes anyway.

The Falcons are riding a stretch of 12 games in a row with 0-1 turnovers including 4 consecutive games without a turnover. Prior to this current streak, the longest stretch that ATL had with Ryan at the helm was 6 games without 2 turnovers and their longest turnover free stretch was 3 games. (All since Ryan took over in 2008.)

Others will take a different stance on this, but IMO, the Falcons have not shown that this is a normal occurrence based on their history, so I am inclined to predict or project the Falcons to have 2 turnovers this week. Some people will say this is simply a THEY'RE DUE argument, and to some extend that's partly true, but the Falcons up until this year and this stretch have shown a propensity to turn the ball over more than 11 times in 18 games.

The counter argument is this year they haven't turned the ball over much so why should that change. Certainly there is some validity to that side of the ledger as well.
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Maybe they are deflating balls to limit turnovers??

 
Seems like all the Patriots haters have gone into hiding for this Super Bowl. Last year's SB thread and the one in 2014 were much more popular. 

Anyways, this Super Bowl is reminding me a lot of last year. All I keep seeing across Reddit, various blogs/forums and social media is that the Patriots have no chance at stopping one of the best offenses of all time. The narrative everywhere is that this Falcons offense is unstoppable. I remember Panthers fans banging that drum this time last season, and Pats fans doing the same in 2007. It just seems like these amazing offenses never win the Super Bowl because they usually lack the most important component: a great defense. 

 
devouredbychaos said:
Seems like all the Patriots haters have gone into hiding for this Super Bowl. Last year's SB thread and the one in 2014 were much more popular.
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Apparently, Shanahan lost the Falcons playbook.  Belicheat probably stole it.  If the Patriots win big you'll know he did.   :scared:

Is that enough for you to get going? ;)

 
devouredbychaos said:
Seems like all the Patriots haters have gone into hiding for this Super Bowl. Last year's SB thread and the one in 2014 were much more popular. 

Anyways, this Super Bowl is reminding me a lot of last year. All I keep seeing across Reddit, various blogs/forums and social media is that the Patriots have no chance at stopping one of the best offenses of all time. The narrative everywhere is that this Falcons offense is unstoppable. I remember Panthers fans banging that drum this time last season, and Pats fans doing the same in 2007. It just seems like these amazing offenses never win the Super Bowl because they usually lack the most important component: a great defense. 
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IMO the two games aren't comparable...DEN had a much better defense, and CAR's offense was not as good as ATL's

 
I have seen lots of people and places mention that ATL had a way tougher strength of schedule and faced way better competition than NE did. IMO, that is getting way overblown. The Pats had to face the Jets twice and CLE once. That dragged down their strength of schedule.

Looking at each team's best 10 opponents, ATL went 7-3 against foes with a combined 105-66-3 with a scoring differential of +78. NE went 9-1 against foes that went a combined 101-71-2 with a point differential of +118. Atlanta's Top 10 opponents had only 4 more wins than the Pats Top 10 opponents did. Really not much difference combined record wise. But NE won more games and had a larger differential.

 
In the 7 seasons NE advanced to the SB, they allowed 31+ points ten times in 132 games played (7.5%). In those games, they had 27 turnovers (so more fault on the offense than the defense). Over those 7 seasons, NE allowed 25-30 points 15 times (11.4%). By extension, NE allowed 24 or fewer points 81% of the time.

By comparison, ATL in 2016 alone allowed opponents to score 31+ points six times (33.3%) and 25-30 points 4 other times (22.2%). The Falcons played 6 games against Top 5 offenses that were not ATL or NE (so technically Top 7 scoring offenses). Those teams averaged 27 ppg on the season. In those 6 games, ATL allowed an average of 27 ppg. The Pats with Brady are averaging roughly 31 ppg. 

 
Braktastic said:
Apparently, Shanahan lost the Falcons playbook.  Belicheat probably stole it.  If the Patriots win big you'll know he did.   :scared:

Is that enough for you to get going? ;)
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It went missing for 15 minutes.  It was on a tablet, so you know BB couldn't get anything out of it.  Some slap-d equipment guy could probably download the plays in a bathroom stall, though.  I'm sure Brady would pony up some memorabilia for that help.

 
Lions fan, but I seem to root for NE, mostly because of Brady and Belichick.

Take the names off the jersey and play in plain jersey's, with no numbers, and who has the "better" team? I would say ATL by a smidge. Tough to account for Belichick and Brady and the winning cullture they bring. I could get ATL + 4.5 because of early big money on NE. Tough to bet against NE, but getting 4.5 is enticing.

 
Crystalsteam99 said:
And that is because GB had absolutely NO RUNNING GAME to worry about(unless you count Ty getting 3 carries,before leaving with an injury)and that's when Atlanta was able to get pressure,only after Ty left the game!!!!!!!!)! Which made that easy to do!. It makes a big difference when a team has no running game,and not having a rb that can catch balls is huge..  the Pats have Lewis or White that can catch out of the backfield.Lets see how much pressure they get on Brady!!! 
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This is why I would be fine if Atlanta just let NE run it.  Take a chance on a big hit/fumble.  You know TB will pick them apart if they don't get pressure - dare them to run and take your chances.

 
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