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Southern cities in general are more CFB focused.
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*** Official Super Bowl LI Thread - Falcons vs Patriots *** (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Denver had ware and miller at 100%. Plus talib as a shut down corner. And they played at hom. Atlanta does have vic beasley but their best corner has been hurt. Will he play in superbowl??kyoun1e said:
I agree......tough for atl to win
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thatguy
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What Denver's defense was able to do to Brady in that game is one of the most impressive defensive displays I've ever seen. I don't know the official number, but Denver hit Brady between 19 and 23 times depending on "who you ask." They pressured him on all but maybe a handful of drop backs, if that. The guts Brady showed to stand in the face of that unrelenting pass rush and deliver that 4th and 10 bomb to Gronk solidified my respect for the man. The fact that they were a missed 2 point conversion from forcing overtime with momentum on their side is a testament to Brady's courage and persverance. Pure heart.
Atlanta's defense can't replicate that. They can't come close. No one can. Hell, the 2015 Broncos' defense wouldn't be able to replicate it. It was a once in a generation performance.
The Falcons may generate some pressure, but not enough to make a game changing difference ala Denver. Their only path to victory is to protect the football and "break" New England's "bend but don't break" defense.
This is not to say that the Atlanta defense can't slow the Pats offense at all. I believe they can; and they'll have to in order to win. But the key to this game is Atlanta's offense versus the Pats' defense.
Bossman
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One of the talking head "experts" put it in interesting terms ...
Ranking the 2 teams as 4 groups ... offense and defense of each team,
best group = ATL Offense
#2 group = NE Offense
#3 group = NE Defense
worst group = ATL Defense
NE defense is decent but I expect the ATL offense will still score plenty of points.
I just don't see ATL defense being able to stop the NE offense at all.
Ranking the 2 teams as 4 groups ... offense and defense of each team,
best group = ATL Offense
#2 group = NE Offense
#3 group = NE Defense
worst group = ATL Defense
NE defense is decent but I expect the ATL offense will still score plenty of points.
I just don't see ATL defense being able to stop the NE offense at all.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Ive not read one of his columns in many, many years (decade+) including his latest; he lost me during his jihad against Kraft (after he first bought the team) when he used Myra Krafts name as part of his attacks on Kraft. Of course after Kraft and the patriots became successful he changed his tune. He is a deeebagg and the quintessential look at me media whore whos shtick is trashing opponents, cities and their fans. Ignore at all times whenever possible.
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Anarchy99
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Hello? Anyone here? There was way more banter in last week's PIT/NE thread.
More SB observations . . .
Team with the better record has gone 25-16 (.610).
Team with the better point differential in the regular season has gone 30-19 (.612).
Team with the more difficult strength of schedule in the regular season has gone 30-19 (.612).
More SB observations . . .
Team with the better record has gone 25-16 (.610).
Team with the better point differential in the regular season has gone 30-19 (.612).
Team with the more difficult strength of schedule in the regular season has gone 30-19 (.612).
Run It Up
Footballguy
Interesting. NE is first in differential but pretty low in SOS. ATL is top half i think in both.
Riversco
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Riversco
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There should be levels of achievement in the Super Bowl.
The default trophy for winning the Super Bowl would be the Lombardi Trophy. But that would be considered the bronze award. If you only lose 1 game all year, you instead win the Madden Trophy (so named because the first 1-loss team to win the Super Bowl was Madden's Raiders), which may be a recolored version of the Lombardi and represent the silver medal. If you win the Super Bowl with an undefeated team, you win the Shula Trophy, which is a gold recolor of the Lombardi.
As of right now, only the Dolphins own a Shula Trophy. Only the Raiders, 49ers, and Bears own a Madden Trophy. The Panthers, Vikings, Steelers, Patriots and Packers all had 1 loss teams that failed to win the Super Bowl. The 49ers and Bears Madden Trophies came in back-to-back seasons (84-85) yet only 3 would exist.
The default trophy for winning the Super Bowl would be the Lombardi Trophy. But that would be considered the bronze award. If you only lose 1 game all year, you instead win the Madden Trophy (so named because the first 1-loss team to win the Super Bowl was Madden's Raiders), which may be a recolored version of the Lombardi and represent the silver medal. If you win the Super Bowl with an undefeated team, you win the Shula Trophy, which is a gold recolor of the Lombardi.
As of right now, only the Dolphins own a Shula Trophy. Only the Raiders, 49ers, and Bears own a Madden Trophy. The Panthers, Vikings, Steelers, Patriots and Packers all had 1 loss teams that failed to win the Super Bowl. The 49ers and Bears Madden Trophies came in back-to-back seasons (84-85) yet only 3 would exist.
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Baloney Sandwich
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Patriots 15-3 ATS this season, North End bookies got murdered this year
Bossman
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Brady has lost one game this year.
That game was against SEA and it came down to NE having the ball, 1st and goal from the 2 with about 40 seconds left in the game ...SEA up 31-24.
Patriots unable to punch it in on two runs, fumbled the snap on 3rd down, then threw incomplete to Gronkowski who was one-on-one with the defender in the corner of the endzone.
Ref could have called defensive holding as the defender tried to pull Gronk to the ground as the ball was being thrown.
Not to say that NE would have went on to win that game had they been able to tie it up there ... but Brady was that close to being undefeated this season.
That game was against SEA and it came down to NE having the ball, 1st and goal from the 2 with about 40 seconds left in the game ...SEA up 31-24.
Patriots unable to punch it in on two runs, fumbled the snap on 3rd down, then threw incomplete to Gronkowski who was one-on-one with the defender in the corner of the endzone.
Ref could have called defensive holding as the defender tried to pull Gronk to the ground as the ball was being thrown.
Not to say that NE would have went on to win that game had they been able to tie it up there ... but Brady was that close to being undefeated this season.
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Bossman
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I like this. Could even take it a step further ...
If a team wins a Superbowl with only 7 losses ... their Lombardi trophy should be made of bedazzled denim.
We would call it the Springsteen trophy ... (2011 Giants ?)
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Crystalsteam99
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Bell was healthy for pretty much the entire 1st quarter and Pitt still couldn't move the ball very well against the Pats D! Williams(one of the better back-ups) stepped in and did fine,at least in the 2nd quarter...If Bell was healthy all game Pitt still wouldn't have won!!!.I love haters!!!A Bell-less Pitt. Some ferocious team right there.
Crystalsteam99
Footballguy
And that is because GB had absolutely NO RUNNING GAME to worry about(unless you count Ty getting 3 carries,before leaving with an injury)and that's when Atlanta was able to get pressure,only after Ty left the game!!!!!!!!)! Which made that easy to do!. It makes a big difference when a team has no running game,and not having a rb that can catch balls is huge.. the Pats have Lewis or White that can catch out of the backfield.Lets see how much pressure they get on Brady!!!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
With an extra week to prepare . . .
The Patriots in the BB/TB era allowed opponents to score 5 fewer ppg compared to their season average.
The Patriots in the BB/TB era scored 1 point less per game on average compared to their scoring average in their other games.
Teams coached or coordinated by Dan Quinn allowed opponents to score 5 fewer ppg compared to their season scoring average.
Teams coordinated by Richard Smith allowed opponents to score the same ppg as their season average.
Teams coordinated by Kyle Shanahan scored the same ppg as their season average.
The Patriots in the BB/TB era allowed opponents to score 5 fewer ppg compared to their season average.
The Patriots in the BB/TB era scored 1 point less per game on average compared to their scoring average in their other games.
Teams coached or coordinated by Dan Quinn allowed opponents to score 5 fewer ppg compared to their season scoring average.
Teams coordinated by Richard Smith allowed opponents to score the same ppg as their season average.
Teams coordinated by Kyle Shanahan scored the same ppg as their season average.
Anarchy99
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If the Falcons can hang 45 on the Patriots, they will have scored the most points in an NFL season combining regular season and the post season (and who knows if that would win the game, although it most likely would.). They became the 10th team to score 600+ in a season.
TEAM YEAR G REG POST TOTAL
DEN 2013 19 606 58 664
NEP 2007 19 589 69 658
SFO 1994 19 505 131 636
NEP 2012 18 557 69 626
WAS 1983 19 541 84 625
MIN 1998 18 556 68 624
ATL 2016 18 540 80 620
NOS 2009 19 510 107 617
STL 1999 19 526 83 609
MIA 1984 19 513 89 602
Of those teams, 2012 NEP and 1998 MIN did not reach the SB. Only 1994 SFO, 2009 NOS, and 1999 STL won the SB.
Expanding to the Top 20 scoring teams (besides ATL this year), only 7 won the SB.
TEAM YEAR G REG POST TOTAL
DEN 2013 19 606 58 664
NEP 2007 19 589 69 658
SFO 1994 19 505 131 636
NEP 2012 18 557 69 626
WAS 1983 19 541 84 625
MIN 1998 18 556 68 624
ATL 2016 18 540 80 620
NOS 2009 19 510 107 617
STL 1999 19 526 83 609
MIA 1984 19 513 89 602
Of those teams, 2012 NEP and 1998 MIN did not reach the SB. Only 1994 SFO, 2009 NOS, and 1999 STL won the SB.
Expanding to the Top 20 scoring teams (besides ATL this year), only 7 won the SB.
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Shlon
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NE_REVIVAL
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KarmaPolice
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Johnny Detroit
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So far I have the full list of Super Bowl Props from:
SuperBook
CG
William Hill
South Point
Getting Golden Nugget tomorrow when they release at noon.
SuperBook
CG
William Hill
South Point
Getting Golden Nugget tomorrow when they release at noon.
Run It Up
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
0-2 vs NYG when scoring less than 21 in SBs , so...
we are giving NE too much credit.this is not a great NE team.who have the beaten this season? They lost at home to sea a team blown out once by atl and nearly defeated another time in sea when Sherman decided to wear Julio's jersey on one play..
The ATL run game will kill NE all day long. Theyll have no answer for it.
We're dismissing that with these RBs ATL, Not NE, will win time of possession.
I dont really see this as a close game ATL will pour it on.if its a track meet NE cant keep up.Macolm Butler is going to stop Julio? Please.theyll commit two guys to Julio.and Coleman takes it 50 yards down the sideline for a td.
LOL at this.
Tanner9919 = Kyle Shanahan's alias
NE is sooooo scared of the big bad Falcons.
Bossman
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
People can point to the Pats defense facing high school quarterbacks and there is something to that. However, the same CANNOT be said about the RB's they've faced: David Johnson, Jay Ajayi x 2, Lamar Miller x 2, LeSean McCoy, Isaiah Crowell, Bernard/Hill, Le'Veon Bell, Bell/DeAngelo, Carlos Hyde, Matt Forte, Todd Gurley, etc.
Bossman
Footballguy
Ask the Steelers how that run game went for them last week.Besides one of the best rush Ds in the NFL this year?
Nobody runs on the Patriots. For the Falcons to win, it will need to be on Ryans arm.
Bossman
Footballguy
How's the Falcons run defense?
With Blount, Lewis, & White all healthy ... I could see the Patriots go with a smashmouth game plan and pound the rock. Ball control & negates any pass rush ... keep the Falcons offense off the field.
Could be very similar game plan as what the Pats did 2 years ago in the AFC Champ game vs IND. That game ended with a final score of 45-7
With Blount, Lewis, & White all healthy ... I could see the Patriots go with a smashmouth game plan and pound the rock. Ball control & negates any pass rush ... keep the Falcons offense off the field.
Could be very similar game plan as what the Pats did 2 years ago in the AFC Champ game vs IND. That game ended with a final score of 45-7
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Ajayi was not the starter in the first game against Miami.
David Johnson gashed them for 5.5 yards a carry in week 1, and Mike GIllislee gashed them for over 7 yards a carry on 12 carries back in late October. Plus, they got lucky with L Bell, facing him in the regular season when Ben was out and then in the playoffs when he came in already hurt and left early. The rest of those RBs basically had trash at QB, except for the Bengals RBs (and Dalton is pretty average).
I am not saying Atlanta is going to run all over them, but they have yet to face a team this year that has BOTH the running game and passing game that Atlanta has.
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Dedfin
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Anarchy99
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Anarchy99
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Rodgers admitted to doing what Brady was accused of doing to the inflation level of footballs, just on the other side of the inflation scale.
Personally, I could care less about how much air is in the football. The only reason the rule is on the books is that was the recommended inflation level as suggested by the football manufacturer.
The league chose to ignore Rodgers and other QBs and to focus on Brady instead. The league didn't care about the inflation level of footballs up until the AFCCG between NE and IND. and they haven't cared about it since.
The whole thing is equivalent to driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone or taking a $50 tax deduction that you probably shouldn't have taken.
But this has been discussed ad naseum for two years, so no need to regurgitate old debates. If people want to then say Brady is a serial cheater, so be it.
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Dedfin
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NE_REVIVAL
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Guys, the thread is about the SB match-up, and trash talk is encouraged 
There are 50 other weeks to talk about spying, psi and warm gatorade so for just 1 more week lets try to have a good clean fight. Lets ignore the turds who only post to antagonize; it worked pretty well in the afccc thread.
There are 50 other weeks to talk about spying, psi and warm gatorade so for just 1 more week lets try to have a good clean fight. Lets ignore the turds who only post to antagonize; it worked pretty well in the afccc thread.
Dedfin
Footballguy
I thought calling the Patriots cheaters is trash talking? Why would you ladies have issue with this?Guys, the thread is about the SB match-up, and trash talk is encouraged
There are 50 other weeks to talk about spying, psi and warm gatorade so for just 1 more week lets try to have a good clean fight. Lets ignore the turds who only post to antagonize; it worked pretty well in the afccc thread.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Falcons jumped in front of both SEA and GB by 3 TDs. In 14 games with Brady, NE lost to SEA, did not trail at any point in 11 games, and only were behind in their two remaining games (4 points to CIN and 10 points to NYJ). That game with the Jets was the only time this season that NE trailed by 10 points with Brady playing. The double digit deficit lasted four minutes and 11 seconds, the Jets lead lasted eight minutes and 27 seconds. NE has trailed since that game (a total of 7 games and a few minutes).
In 268 career regular season and post season starts with TB, NE has only been behind by 21 points at any point in a game 10 times. 3 times in the last 5 years. 5 times in the last 10 years. I have seen comments and predictions that ATL will continue with their early assault and potentially blow out NE, and I would be extremely surprised if the Falcons built up a substantial lead against NE.
In 268 career regular season and post season starts with TB, NE has only been behind by 21 points at any point in a game 10 times. 3 times in the last 5 years. 5 times in the last 10 years. I have seen comments and predictions that ATL will continue with their early assault and potentially blow out NE, and I would be extremely surprised if the Falcons built up a substantial lead against NE.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In the Super Bowl era, all the 51 teams that led the league in scoring have gone a collective 71-35 in the postseason. All 51 teams that led the league in fewest points allowed have gone a collective . . . 71-35 in the post season. However, the highest scoring teams have gone 10-13 in Super Bowls while the fewest points allowed teams have gone 14-6 in Super Bowls.
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