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**Official Super Bowl Pre-Game Thread** Saints vs Colts (1 Viewer)

Gregg Rosenthal

13 reasons the Colts can win

1. No matchup for Clark

Tight ends give the Saints problems and there are few tight ends better than Dallas Clark. Visanthe Shiancoe found a lot of holes in the Saints defense because the New Orleans linebackers on the outside struggle in coverage. (Middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma is great.)

The safeties – Darren Sharper and Roman Harper – are boom or bust as pass defenders. Sharper is a ballhawk, but heady quarterbacks know how to use his aggressiveness to their advantage. Look for Clark to have a big night.

2. Overaggressive safeties

The Saints defense is personified by Sharper and Harper. They force turnovers, line up anywhere on the field, and blitz. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams isn't afraid to gamble, and that often means he gets burned. This is especially true in the running game, where Harper has missed some tackles and Sharper gets caught cheating to pass plays.

3. Mathis and Freeney

So, Dwight Freeney has an ankle injury. Had you heard? That doesn't mean he won't be a huge factor in Sunday's game. Freeney's known for being a quick healer and his ankle improved throughout the week.

In Freeney and Robert Mathis, the Colts have the best pass rushing duo in the league. That matches up well against the Saints. If we had to pick one slight weakness in the Saints offense, it's at their tackle positions. Mathis has an uncanny sense of big moments in games.

4. Peaking defense

The Colts defense was tied for second in points allowed after 14 games, before Bill Polian and Jim Caldwell started the Curtis Painter experiment. The team is great in the red zone, and forces turnovers. The Ravens and Jets were stuffed cold by the Colts. The Jets scored most of their points on trick plays and field position. The Saints present a much tougher test, but the Colts defense enters the game playing their best.

The Colts mostly rode their defense, not Peyton Manning, to their first championship. Win or lose, we suspect they will make the difference again this time.

5. They finish

Put the Colts in any game situation, and they find a way to win. This isn't always a dominant team. Rather, it's one that excels in late and close situations.

Win 1: The Jaguars are sacked to death by Robert Mathis as they try to drive for a game-winning field goal.

Win 2: The Colts hold the ball fewer than 15 minutes of the game, but they outscore the Dolphins 14-3 late in the game to pull off a comeback four-point victory.

Win 7: The Colts score the final 12 points of the game to out-slug San Francisco 18-14. Peyton Manning has his worst game of the season, but the defense shuts the 49ers out in the second half.

Win 8: The Colts have a chance to go ahead three scores, Manning is intercepted, and the Texans come all the way back to take a fourth quarter lead. Joseph Addai gives the Colts another comeback victory with the game-winning score with seven minutes left.

Win 9: The Colts outscore the Patriots 21-3 in the final 13 minutes for a huge comeback win, including their famous stop on fourth-and-two.

Win 10: Baltimore is in field goal range to take a late lead, but Gary Brackett picks Joe Flacco off. Colts win 17-15.

Win 11: The Colts spot the Texans a 17-0 lead, before roaring back to win the AFC South 35-27.

Win14: A 65-yard score to Reggie Wayne with just over five minutes left finally puts the Colts ahead for good over Jacksonville 35-31.

AFC Championship: The Jets take a 17-6 lead late in the first half, but a four-play, 80-yard drive before intermission gets the ball rolling again for the Colts. They score the final 24 points.

6. Two minute drives

You don't win so many close games without great situational play. Peyton Manning is the undisputed master of the two-minute drill, the four-minute drive, and even the half-quarter, clock killing extended touchdown march when it's required. The Colts defense is also excellent at situational football. This is where the system and smarts of the Colts show up.

7. They have coaches on the field

There isn't a player and coach with a strong mindmeld than Peyton Manning and offensive coordinator Tom Moore. Manning is better than any quarterback at calling and changing plays. That stacks the deck in the Colts favor.

On defense, Gary Brackett's leadership is invaluable. He's made a career out of being better than others from the neck up and he gets his teammates into position.

8. Receiver depth

We like the Saints starting cornerbacks enough. We're not sure about the depth. Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie have emerged as difference makers and proven they will beat one-on-one coverage. That's what they'll see often on Sunday.

9. Speed kills

The Saints stretch the field vertically and horizontally better than any team in the league. The Colts are well equipped to chase the Saints side-to-side. There may not be a faster defense in the league at swarming to the ball.

10. They prevent big plays

Drew Brees doesn't have a reputation for having a huge arm, but the Saints are all about the big play. A lot of times it seems like Sean Payton's gameplan is just a series of small plays that kill time to set up the homerun. The Colts pride themselves in keeping plays in front of them and making opponents earn their touchdowns. The Saints can't count on too many long bombs.

11. Short-yardage

Just about the only aspect of the Colts running game that's effective is in short-yardage situations. They catch teams by surprise, and Joseph Addai knows where to knife through his offensive line. The Saints defense isn't that stout in the middle, so look for this trend to continue.

Surprisingly, the Colts are also solid stopping the run in short-yardage. Dan Muir and Antonio Johnson have given the team beef and have recorded some memorable stuffs at the goal line, including in both Baltimore wins.

12. All business

The Colts know what's at stake, and they won't get overwhelmed by the moment. They've clearly enjoyed their time in south Florida, but the team's business-like approach is conducted with one goal in mind: a championship. We'd be shocked to see this team make mental mistakes or take silly emotional penalties. They won't beat themselves.

13. The Sheriff

The rest of this list probably wasn't necessary. Titans running back Chris Johnson put it well during Super Bowl week when he picked the Colts: "With Peyton Manning, you don't need a defense or special teams."

Manning is coming off one of the best performances of his career. He's one of the all time greats, at the apex of his powers, facing a vulnerable secondary. What more do you need?

 
Gregg Rosenthal

13 reasons the Saints can win

1. They run well out of passing formations

The underrated Colts defense stuffed the Ravens and Jets’ strong running attacks in successive weeks. But the Colts knew what was coming. Against the Saints, the Colts will have to be stout against the run even when they have five or six defensive backs on the field. The Patriots had great success against the Colts by running out of the shotgun. Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush should have running room.

2. The league’s best guard tandem

Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks aren’t household names, but they should be. Evans has developed into football’s best guard by combining a nasty streak with excellent pass protection. Nicks flattens opponents. The two have a competition to see who can knock the most opponents on the ground. The Colts won’t be able to afford extra run defenders, allowing Evans and Nicks to win their one-on-one battles.

3. Brees can move

Brees is now the best quarterback at moving inside the pocket. Robert Mathis and possibly Dwight Freeney can create matchup problems on the outside, but Brees has the uncanny ability to duck, retreat, move up, and do everything else he can to create a throwing lane. Speedy defensive ends often go right past Brees as he moves to the side, shuffles forward, and completes a pass. This is where his protection up the middle will come in handy.

4. Their biggest weakness won’t be exposed

Let’s be honest: the Saints’ rush defense stinks. It started off well, but has struggled since. In many ways, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams’ defense is smoke, mirrors, and blitzes. The Vikings were in a two-month slump on the ground before running all over the Saints. Luckily for New Orleans, the Colts are one of the only teams the Saints may be able to stop on the ground. The Colts finished dead last in the NFL in yards-per-carry during the regular season.

5. The other Will Smith

Long one of the game’s most talented defenders, Smith put together a monster regular season and has added a forced fumble and an interception in the playoffs. The Saints’ defense is going to need to force some negative plays and turnovers to slow down the Colts’ offense. Smith’s matchup against Colts left tackle Charlie Johnson is their best chance.

6. A shutdown corner of their own

Jabari Greer may be the game’s single most underrated player. According to the numbers done by our friends at FootballOutsiders.com, only Darrelle Revis was better in coverage this season than Greer. The incredible free-agent signing will match up with Reggie Wayne. Unlike most cornerbacks, he’ll have a fighting chance.

7. Men in the middle

The best way to attack a zone defense is over the middle — and the Saints’ offense is full those players. Marques Colston is a slot receiver trapped in a No.1 receiver’s body. The young receivers — Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem — have vastly improved their versatility. Slot receiver Lance Moore is finally healthy. Both Jeremy Shockey and David Thomas are threats at tight end. The Colts don’t give up many big plays, but the Saints have the arsenal to matriculate the ball down the field.

8. No one to take away

You can look at the Saints’ spread-the-wealth offense a few ways. They don’t have a truly dominant receiver, but they also have five players on any given play that can win one-on-one matchups. Colston’s size will be difficult for Indy’s small cornerbacks. Henderson and Meachem can out-run anyone on the Colts. Even the speedy Colts linebackers will struggle to cover the New Orleans running backs.

9. Sean Payton with an extra week

The Saints coach survived one of his worst games in the NFC Championship, but now gets an extra week to cook up some fun. He looked closely at tapes of Miami and New England, two common opponents that enjoyed great offensive success against the Colts.

For our money, Payton is the best playcaller in football. He creates mismatches, and Drew Brees finds them. An extra week should help him find a few more. (We’re also curious to see what defensive coordinator Gregg Williams cooks up with extra time.)

10. Experience on the outside

Payton will zero in on the Colts’ two rookie cornerbacks, Jacob Lacey and Jerraud Powers. Lacey made a bad mental mistake in the AFC Championship, biting on a double move that allowed Braylon Edwards to get deep. Powers isn’t 100 percent. Expect New Orleans’ wideouts to constantly test the Indy’s young cornerbacks mentally and physically.

11. Continuity

Payton’s insanely intricate offense has built four years to this moment. From the offensive line to the receivers, these players have grown up in this system, which is rare in the NFL. This familiarity opens up the playbook and ideally will make it easier to remain calm in the biggest games of their lives.

12. Belief

The Saints have pulled out too many insane endings this season to believe they are ever out of a game. The stormed back from 24-3 to beat Miami. They needed roughly five ridiculous plays to somehow beat Washington in another comeback. Even the end to the NFC Championship contained an inordinate amount of mojo/voodoo/luck, whatever you want to call it. Give them the ball last, in any situation, and this is a team that believes it will get it done.

13. Maybe, just maybe, the pressure is off

The NFC Championship felt like the Super Bowl. It was such a big moment for New Orleans largely because it was in New Orleans. The Saints have made it further than they ever have before, and the win saved a magical season from feeling like a bust. Now the Saints are back in unfamiliar territory. They are underdogs despite putting together one of the most impressive regular seasons of the last five years. We can see the Saints playing looser. They have certainly acted loose in Miami.

The Saints played tight at times in the second half against Minnesota and survived a so-so effort. Now this team that is loaded with talent may feel like they have nothing to lose.

 
This whole WWE-style storyline they're doing with Dwight Freeney when they know he's going to play is ridiculous.

"I don't know JR, Freeney's ankle looked pretty bad. There's no way he's going to play......OH MY GOD , HERE COMES FREENEY!!!!!!! WHAT A WARRIOR!!!!!! I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M SEEING!!!!"

 
This whole WWE-style storyline they're doing with Dwight Freeney when they know he's going to play is ridiculous."I don't know JR, Freeney's ankle looked pretty bad. There's no way he's going to play......OH MY GOD , HERE COMES FREENEY!!!!!!! WHAT A WARRIOR!!!!!! I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M SEEING!!!!"
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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP)—Reggie Wayne(notes) gave the Indianapolis Colts quite a scare Friday when he pulled up short on a pass route.He’s still expected to play in Sunday’s Super Bowl.The four-time Pro Bowl receiver left practice 20 minutes early after aggravating an injured right knee.Coach Jim Caldwell said Wayne hurt the soft tissue below his kneecap. Wayne is listed as probable and Caldwell plans on him playing against New Orleans. Wayne got through the injury most of the season.
 
This whole WWE-style storyline they're doing with Dwight Freeney when they know he's going to play is ridiculous."I don't know JR, Freeney's ankle looked pretty bad. There's no way he's going to play......OH MY GOD , HERE COMES FREENEY!!!!!!! WHAT A WARRIOR!!!!!! I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M SEEING!!!!"
Haha you're incredibly dead-on, both with the WWE imitation and with what will actually happen. Seriously, did anyone ever think Freeney wasn't going to play??
 
Drew Brees, after living a full life, died and went to heaven.

When he got to heaven, God was showing him around.

They came to a modest little house with a faded Saints flag in

the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Drew, said God.

"This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here. Drew felt special indeed, and walked up to his house.

On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around

the corner. It was a 3-story mansion with a football field as a back yard,

a 50-foot tall flagpole with an enormous Colts logo flag,

and in every window, a Colts flag. Drew looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful,

but I have a question, I was an all-pro QB, I hold many NFL records,

and I even been in the Hall of Fame."God said, "So what's your point Drew?""Well, why does Manning get a better

house than me? God chuckled, and said Drew, that's not Manning's house, it's MINE."

 
fully expecting indy to blow out the aints
Just like folks were fully expecting the Saints to get blown out by the Cardinals, and Vikings. Just like those other times, I will be here to receive your and like minded individuals, crow eating festivities. Until then my friend.
 
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Just like folks were fully expecting the Saints to get blown out by the Cardinals, and Vikings. Just like those other times, I will be here to receive your and like minded individuals, crow eating festivities. Until then my friend.
I am pretty sure very few people, if any realistic NFL fan, were expecting either of those teams to blow out the Saints, but, by all means, keep playing the "My poor team gets no respect" card.
 
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Just like folks were fully expecting the Saints to get blown out by the Cardinals, and Vikings. Just like those other times, I will be here to receive your and like minded individuals, crow eating festivities. Until then my friend.
I am pretty sure very few people, if any realistic NFL fan, were expecting either of those teams to blow out the Saints, but, by all means, keep playing the "My poor team gets no respect" card.
My team is going to get take respect. Stay tuned.
 
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Just like folks were fully expecting the Saints to get blown out by the Cardinals, and Vikings. Just like those other times, I will be here to receive your and like minded individuals, crow eating festivities. Until then my friend.
I am pretty sure very few people, if any realistic NFL fan, were expecting either of those teams to blow out the Saints, but, by all means, keep playing the "My poor team gets no respect" card.
My team is going to get take respect. Stay tuned.
No one in their right mind thinks the Colts will blow out the Saints. Hell, the Colts don't blow out anyone. They just know how to win close games, and I think that will be the difference in this Super Bowl.
 
Colts | Freeney likely will play in Super Bowl

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Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports Indianapolis Colts DE Dwight Freeney (ankle) likely will play in Super Bowl XLIV. He will test his ankle before the game and will play if he does not experience any setbacks.

This should about seal the deal for the Colts :X

 
Colts | Freeney likely will play in Super Bowl

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Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:11:00 -0800

Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports Indianapolis Colts DE Dwight Freeney (ankle) likely will play in Super Bowl XLIV. He will test his ankle before the game and will play if he does not experience any setbacks.

This should about seal the deal for the Colts :coffee:
There was never any doubt in mine or the Saints mind he would play. He is not full strength however. The Saints have a plan for Dwight Freeney and they didnt take the bait this time like they did when Ware was "supposedly" injured for the Cowboys.
Just like folks were fully expecting the Saints to get blown out by the Cardinals, and Vikings. Just like those other times, I will be here to receive your and like minded individuals, crow eating festivities. Until then my friend.
I am pretty sure very few people, if any realistic NFL fan, were expecting either of those teams to blow out the Saints, but, by all means, keep playing the "My poor team gets no respect" card.
My team is going to get take respect. Stay tuned.
No one in their right mind thinks the Colts will blow out the Saints. Hell, the Colts don't blow out anyone. They just know how to win close games, and I think that will be the difference in this Super Bowl.
And the Saints don't know how to win close games?
 
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Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:

Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.

Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.

Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:

In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great.

In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent.

Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.

In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.

But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.

 
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The quarter is absolutely sick right now.

Tomorrow will the be the absolute biggest party this planet has ever seen.

 
This just in. The Saints are going to have home field advantage. Its 4 to 1 and likely to grow in favor of the Saints. It is now 10 to 1 on the streets of Miami. Who Dat.

http://www.nola.com/superbowl/index.ssf/20...e_who_dats.html
The Colts were easily outnumbered in 2006 by Bears fans 10-1.
Wow. What a great fan base.
I'll assume you're talking about the Bears fanbase. I mean the Colts have only had 22 years to grow their fanbase. However, they do have a waiting list for season tickets. Is that the same for the Saints?
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great. In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent. Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.
Take a peek at Gregg Williams' team W/L record all time versus Manning's teams and get back to us.Most QBs would be happy going 24/37/1 and get the win. Tell Fisher to go rewrite the book.
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great. In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent. Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.
Take a peek at Gregg Williams' team W/L record all time versus Manning's teams and get back to us.Most QBs would be happy going 24/37/1 and get the win. Tell Fisher to go rewrite the book.
Those numbers work against Kerry Collins and Jason Campbell.... not Drew Brees. If Manning gets just 1 TD tomorrow they lose.
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great. In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent. Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.
Take a peek at Gregg Williams' team W/L record all time versus Manning's teams and get back to us.Most QBs would be happy going 24/37/1 and get the win. Tell Fisher to go rewrite the book.
Those numbers work against Kerry Collins and Jason Campbell.... not Drew Brees. If Manning gets just 1 TD tomorrow they lose.
Great point! It's kind of like me saying if Brees goes 32/37/258/1 like he did versus an awesome Bucs team, or 29/45/298/1TD/1 INT like he did in losing to an average Cowboys team.Did you get a chance to look up Gregg Williams record versus Manning?
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great. In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent. Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.
Take a peek at Gregg Williams' team W/L record all time versus Manning's teams and get back to us.Most QBs would be happy going 24/37/1 and get the win. Tell Fisher to go rewrite the book.
Those numbers work against Kerry Collins and Jason Campbell.... not Drew Brees. If Manning gets just 1 TD tomorrow they lose.
Great point! It's kind of like me saying if Brees goes 32/37/258/1 like he did versus an awesome Bucs team, or 29/45/298/1TD/1 INT like he did in losing to an average Cowboys team.Did you get a chance to look up Gregg Williams record versus Manning?
Ok, yes, 1 TD won't do it for Brees either, though the chances of the Saints making up the difference with a superior running game are far greater than the Colts doing that. Yep, it stinks, probably 1-5 or 2-4 or so.Who were the QB's/offenses in those games and what would the record have been with Brees & Co.?Take those defenses, add Brees and you;re looking at a flipped set of results.
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this stuff yet, but:Peyton Williams Manning's first name is that of the Saints head coach and offensive guru, his middle name is that of the Saints defensive guru, and his last name is that of the Saints FORMER all time leading QB. The Saints own his very name.Gregg Williams turned in one of the great all time defensive gameplans in Super Bowl history when his defense held arguably the NFL's greatest single season offense ever - the 1999 Rams - to a mere 23 points.Gregg Williams also has coached against Peyton Williams Manning 6 times:In 4 games vs Williams defenses Peyton has averaged: 19/35 for 217 yards, 1 TD (rushing and passing), 0.5 INT. Nothing great. In 2 games vs Williams defenses he has averaged: 27/34 for 353 yards, 3.5 total TD's, no INT's - excellent. Gregg Williams also can always call on his old buddy Jeff Fisher for pointers on how to defend Peyton. They face Manning twice per year and Fisher has the book on him.In the pre-turnaround game by the Titans' D vs the Colts, they allowed Manning to 36/44 for 309 yds. 3 TD, 1 INT.But post-turnaround, the Titans held Manning to: 24/37 for 270, 1 TD, 0 INT's.
Take a peek at Gregg Williams' team W/L record all time versus Manning's teams and get back to us.Most QBs would be happy going 24/37/1 and get the win. Tell Fisher to go rewrite the book.
Those numbers work against Kerry Collins and Jason Campbell.... not Drew Brees. If Manning gets just 1 TD tomorrow they lose.
Great point! It's kind of like me saying if Brees goes 32/37/258/1 like he did versus an awesome Bucs team, or 29/45/298/1TD/1 INT like he did in losing to an average Cowboys team.Did you get a chance to look up Gregg Williams record versus Manning?
Ok, yes, 1 TD won't do it for Brees either, though the chances of the Saints making up the difference with a superior running game are far greater than the Colts doing that. Yep, it stinks, probably 1-5 or 2-4 or so.Who were the QB's/offenses in those games and what would the record have been with Brees & Co.?Take those defenses, add Brees and you;re looking at a flipped set of results.
Yep, ofcourse. That's like saying if Manning had the 85 Bears Defense every year, he'd be pretty good too. :goodposting:
 
Those numbers work against Kerry Collins and Jason Campbell.... not Drew Brees. If Manning gets just 1 TD tomorrow they lose.

Great point! It's kind of like me saying if Brees goes 32/37/258/1 like he did versus an awesome Bucs team, or 29/45/298/1TD/1 INT like he did in losing to an average Cowboys team.

Did you get a chance to look up Gregg Williams record versus Manning?

Ok, yes, 1 TD won't do it for Brees either, though the chances of the Saints making up the difference with a superior running game are far greater than the Colts doing that.

Yep, it stinks, probably 1-5 or 2-4 or so.

Who were the QB's/offenses in those games and what would the record have been with Brees & Co.?

Take those defenses, add Brees and you;re looking at a flipped set of results.

Yep, ofcourse. That's like saying if Manning had the 85 Bears Defense every year, he'd be pretty good too. :goodposting:

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None of Williams' teams were the `85 Bears.

They do play the 46 occasionally and a wide variety of packages. The only way to beat Archie's kid is to throw him looks he does not recognize or that he does not have time to adjust to. Williams is one of the few DC's who can do that.

For the record the opposing QB's were:

McNair 2000 (Ten W) (offense 7th in points)

Mark Brunell 2006 (WAS L) (offense 20th in points)

David Garrard 2008 (Jax W) (offense 24th in points)

David Garrard 2008 (2) (Jax L) (offense 24th in points)

Rob Johnson 2001 (Buf L) (offense 17th in points)

Drew Bledsoe 2003 (Buf L) (offense 30th in points)

----> Williams has always been looking for a great offense just as much as Peyton/Brees were looking for a great defense.

Hm, Williams faced Manning twice last year, that helps.

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You know, looking over this, it should really be an awesome game.

We're talking about two teams that started 27-0. Incredible.

 
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OH TO HELL WITH THIS.

We are bringing the Lombardi Trophy back home.

Sports matters.

When was the last time you saw a sports team with a purpose???

 
The Saints gave up 341 points this year. How many super bowl champs have given up more points? The Colts gave up 307. We are guaranteed of having a super bowl champ that has surrendered over 300 points. How often has that occurred?

The 2007 Giants gave up 351 points. They almost got outscored by their opponents (373).

The 2006 Colts gave up 360.

The 1998 Broncos gave up 309.

The 1983 Raiders gave up 338.

The 1980 Raiders gave up 306.

So far, these are all AFC teams except the Giants. After happening only 3 times in the first 40 super bowls, it is about to happen 3 times in the last 4 years. Had the Cardinals hung on to beat the Steelers last year, it would have happened 4 straight years because the Cardinals gave up a whopping 426 points that year. They outscored their opponents by 1 point.

 
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!

 
* New Orleans Saints +5

I'm sure some of you aren't too surprised to see me on the Saints in this one as I've been a believer in them all season. However, I can assure you that any bias I may have towards them has been removed and I've done what I feel to be a thorough analysis on this one. I'm jumping on this line now because with it looking less and less likely that Freeney will play (or be anywhere near his normal self if he does), this line has started to drop. Regardless of how healthy he is though, the Saints would be a play for me in this spot.

When I look at stats to try and analyze a game, I do my best to remove games where one team or the other was at a disadvantage due to injuries or resting players. Obviously, the Saints' defense spent most of their games after playing the Patriots banged up on defense (and offense a bit with Shockey/Bush missing time), and the Colts had to have a couple games removed due to resting players and one game against a banged up team. So, I'm sure a lot of you are combing stats too looking for an edge, know that this is why my numbers might be different than some that you are seeing.

Let's start by looking at each team's passing matchups. These are two of the elite passing units in the NFL, with the Saints passing for 8.23 yards/attempt, and the Colts throwing for 7.57 yards/attempt (1st and 3rd in the NFL). Both teams played very similar quality of passing defenses, and each team's pass defense is among the elite in the NFL, the Saints allowing 5.71 yds/attempt and the Colts allowing 5.79 yds/attempt (6th and 8th in the NFL). Assuming Freeney can't go, this is obviously a knock to the Colts' defense, and should give the Saints an advantage of being able to send an extra receiver out if they don't have to double him. Also with Freeney out, it seems to me like the Saints will be able to generate more pressure on Manning then the Colts will be able to generate on Brees. Of course, as we've seen in previous weeks pressure can lead to bad decisions and turnovers. Although both of the QBs are among the best at taking care of the ball, the edge goes to the Saints here as well. Manning has averaged just over 1 interception per game, while Brees has averaged .7 interceptions per game. When you look at the defenses and their ability to generate turnovers as well, the Colts average 1.2 interceptions/game while the Saints average 1.92. Although past performance doesn't necessarily indicate future results, it can indicate which results are more probable to occur.

The rushing games of each team don't have any huge edge for one side or the other, but I have to think that the Saints have a slight advantage in this category too. The Saints have run for 4.66 yards/rush attempt this season, while the Colts have struggled mightily running for just 3.65 yards/rush attempt (6th and 30th in the NFL). The Colts' rushing attack offers the most intriguing matchup here, as the Saints have struggled against the run all year. The Saints' defense has allowed 4.64 yards/rush attempt, 29th worst in the NFL. Given the mediocrity of the two units facing each other here, I'm thinking that there really isn't much of an edge for either side. The Colts' run defense has been above average this year, allowing 4.06 yards/rush attempt, 11th best in the NFL. I think that we've got a better chance of the Saints being able to assert themselves on the ground than the Colts, which should give them the advantage of having to be less one dimensional.

Although there is some concern about the lack of Superbowl experience on the Saints' squad, this is a team with strong veteran leadership that I believe can overcome it. Besides, in a game where Manning will likely have to rely on young receivers such as Garcon and Collie, I don't see how you couldn't argue that they'll be impacted as well. I think this will be a great Superbowl, as neither team could be considered dead if they fall a couple scores back. I expect an exciting finish, and in my mind the worst case scenario for the Saints is a 4 point loss. Given that in my worst case scenario they still cover, I'm confident that this is the right play as is my system. Good luck to everyone with this final wager of the season, I look forward to starting all over again next year!

 
* New Orleans Saints +5I'm sure some of you aren't too surprised to see me on the Saints in this one as I've been a believer in them all season. However, I can assure you that any bias I may have towards them has been removed and I've done what I feel to be a thorough analysis on this one. I'm jumping on this line now because with it looking less and less likely that Freeney will play (or be anywhere near his normal self if he does), this line has started to drop. Regardless of how healthy he is though, the Saints would be a play for me in this spot.When I look at stats to try and analyze a game, I do my best to remove games where one team or the other was at a disadvantage due to injuries or resting players. Obviously, the Saints' defense spent most of their games after playing the Patriots banged up on defense (and offense a bit with Shockey/Bush missing time), and the Colts had to have a couple games removed due to resting players and one game against a banged up team. So, I'm sure a lot of you are combing stats too looking for an edge, know that this is why my numbers might be different than some that you are seeing.Let's start by looking at each team's passing matchups. These are two of the elite passing units in the NFL, with the Saints passing for 8.23 yards/attempt, and the Colts throwing for 7.57 yards/attempt (1st and 3rd in the NFL). Both teams played very similar quality of passing defenses, and each team's pass defense is among the elite in the NFL, the Saints allowing 5.71 yds/attempt and the Colts allowing 5.79 yds/attempt (6th and 8th in the NFL). Assuming Freeney can't go, this is obviously a knock to the Colts' defense, and should give the Saints an advantage of being able to send an extra receiver out if they don't have to double him. Also with Freeney out, it seems to me like the Saints will be able to generate more pressure on Manning then the Colts will be able to generate on Brees. Of course, as we've seen in previous weeks pressure can lead to bad decisions and turnovers. Although both of the QBs are among the best at taking care of the ball, the edge goes to the Saints here as well. Manning has averaged just over 1 interception per game, while Brees has averaged .7 interceptions per game. When you look at the defenses and their ability to generate turnovers as well, the Colts average 1.2 interceptions/game while the Saints average 1.92. Although past performance doesn't necessarily indicate future results, it can indicate which results are more probable to occur.The rushing games of each team don't have any huge edge for one side or the other, but I have to think that the Saints have a slight advantage in this category too. The Saints have run for 4.66 yards/rush attempt this season, while the Colts have struggled mightily running for just 3.65 yards/rush attempt (6th and 30th in the NFL). The Colts' rushing attack offers the most intriguing matchup here, as the Saints have struggled against the run all year. The Saints' defense has allowed 4.64 yards/rush attempt, 29th worst in the NFL. Given the mediocrity of the two units facing each other here, I'm thinking that there really isn't much of an edge for either side. The Colts' run defense has been above average this year, allowing 4.06 yards/rush attempt, 11th best in the NFL. I think that we've got a better chance of the Saints being able to assert themselves on the ground than the Colts, which should give them the advantage of having to be less one dimensional.Although there is some concern about the lack of Superbowl experience on the Saints' squad, this is a team with strong veteran leadership that I believe can overcome it. Besides, in a game where Manning will likely have to rely on young receivers such as Garcon and Collie, I don't see how you couldn't argue that they'll be impacted as well. I think this will be a great Superbowl, as neither team could be considered dead if they fall a couple scores back. I expect an exciting finish, and in my mind the worst case scenario for the Saints is a 4 point loss. Given that in my worst case scenario they still cover, I'm confident that this is the right play as is my system. Good luck to everyone with this final wager of the season, I look forward to starting all over again next year!
Thank you. I've watched amd read and listened to almost every bit of game coverage in the last two weeks and for the first time I've really noticed how little actual game analysis in terms of player vs player, stremgth/weakness vs strength/weakness there really is before a SB game. And it's really all I want to see. Thanks for the above.Besides the obvious - turnover differential and Brees and Manning just having theirs (which they will both likely get): I think the Saints' running ability, the Saints ability to turn the Colts into a one dimensional passing team, and containing Dallas Clark are the biggest elements to this game.Obviously if Greegg Williams can do just enough to limit PManning's TD's that will go a long way.
 
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!
I had a shot at SB tickets earlier this year.But I'll be watching the game with my dad, who was here for this game and got our season tickets in 1967.

He's a World War 2 vet, fought the Japs to the bone, and is now laid up with a bad hip and ruined throat.

!!!!!!!!!!!!GO SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!
Here's hoping the Saints players think like you do :goodposting: This is old hat to the Colts. I bet they slept like a baby last night, just as I did :shrug:
 
On NFL.com right now:

Which team do you think will win Super Bowl XLIV?

Indianapolis Colts 50%

New Orleans Saints 50%

Total Votes: 1415

Yes, I know it's a bunch of couch QB's voting, but there is normally a clear favorite. May just be me, but I found this interesting.

 
JohnnyU said:
Pnishthm said:
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!
Here's hoping the Saints players think like you do :banned: This is old hat to the Colts. I bet they slept like a baby last night, just as I did :porked:
:rolleyes:
 
JohnnyU said:
Pnishthm said:
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!
Here's hoping the Saints players think like you do :banned: This is old hat to the Colts. I bet they slept like a baby last night, just as I did :porked:
:rolleyes:
Yeah. As I stated in another thread, they've been there all of ONCE over the last 30 years. It was three years ago. Sure, it seems like they've been there more often this last decade but they could never quite make it. Maybe it was all that sleep they had from being so comfortable. I'd buy this Super Bowl experience a little more for a team like NE or maybe Pittsburgh. They've been there more than once recently. Indy's one visit? All those young WR's they're counting on? Not so much. Garcon and Collie are 2 very key pieces for Indy and I can assure you they're not "sleeping like a baby".

 
JohnnyU said:
bushisdaman said:
And the Saints don't know how to win close games?
Maybe, but the Colts have made it into an art. I'll say this, if the Saints were playing anyone else I would be rooting for them. I like their team that much.
Here is a fact that has been lost in the national media coverage. The Saints lead the NFL in outscoring their opponents in the 4th quarter and its not even close. The last time I checked you had to win the 4th quarter to win the Super bowl especially in a close game like I expect this one to be. By the way, I slept like a baby last night. Tonight is the night I wont sleep because I will be out partying.FINISH STRONG SAINTS
 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Pnishthm said:
OK this officially sucks! I have been trying to get to sleep since midnight and it is now almost 4 AM and still all I can think about is this damn game!!! I feel like I can go outside and run laps right now. Well guess I'll give it another shot. Probably see you guys in another hour or so. WHO DAT!
I had a shot at SB tickets earlier this year.But I'll be watching the game with my dad, who was here for this game and got our season tickets in 1967.

He's a World War 2 vet, fought the Japs to the bone, and is now laid up with a bad hip and ruined throat.

!!!!!!!!!!!!GO SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You know what song I haven't heard in years? "Let's Groove Tonight" by Earth, Wind and Fire.

 

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