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[jamny]

It's losing me....

Agreed. So many really bad parts.1. The cop has to shoot if the guy won't stop. What random farmer wouldn't stop so he doesn't get accidentally shot. That and seeing the cop in the mirror, geez. Aren't most left hand mirror tilted like this / so you can see what is behind you. They aren't like this - so a guy in the back of the vehicle can see what is moving directly behind him. Now that I think about it, the mirror's angle is so wrong for where the guy was to see someone behind him. The only thing the bad guy should have seen is the side of the car.

2. The lawyer agreeing to do more for Joe is silly. He threatened her before, now she is in an FBI office. Does she think she is safer outside of the office doing his bidding? Why not just tell the FBI exactly what he said about the location for the drop. The lawyer was beyond stupid. I thought for a minute that Joe had a parent/family member of hers, but he just cut off some fingers. Yes, that sucks, but you are going to do his bidding and end up in jail as an accomplice instead of being safe with the FBI and telling them what you know.

3. The ex-wife was even more stupid. Hardy is going to where they think your son is, yet you get in a car with a cult member? Didn't Joe just try to kill you in prison and send a serial killer to your house to kill you? You are going to trust him that he will let you see your son? What do you think he will do if he let's you see him, let you both go? Oh, and let me make sure that the FBI, who is protecting me, doesn't know where I am going.

4. The old couple sees a serial killer and a kidnapped boy and doesn't lock the door and/or get your guns out? They get killed by a guy who picks up a hoe? What old, white farmer in farmland doesn't have a shotgun handy? Any reason not a single other cop is driving to the farm house where they made the 911 call? We have to wait 10 minutes for the one with the FBI agent. Neither of the two cops out where the sheriff, so had to at least be a couple more that should have been ready to roll after seeing the most wanted people in the US in a convenience store.

Great points. All except for the mirror thing were what we were saying as the show was on. Definitely thought they had one of the lawyers family members hostage. No one could be shocked when she revealed she lost fingers. Hardly a reason to give in to Joe's demands.also, the black FBI guy would have locked himself out of the restaurant when he went out the back door.

still watching though. Like I said, it's good for a laugh but is interesting enough to keep with it.

By sending someone else to cut her fingers off he was letting her know that he had others that would his bidding for him if she didn't follow through..

Right and like the ex-wife, why trust him now? Your best bet for survival is to tell the FBI, get protection and wait until this is over. Give them the information you get from Joe and don't talk to Joe again.

The lawyer should be held as an accomplice for sending out the signal. She clearly knew what she was doing by reading the poem.

 

[snogger]

It's losing me....

Agreed. So many really bad parts.1. The cop has to shoot if the guy won't stop. What random farmer wouldn't stop so he doesn't get accidentally shot. That and seeing the cop in the mirror, geez. Aren't most left hand mirror tilted like this / so you can see what is behind you. They aren't like this - so a guy in the back of the vehicle can see what is moving directly behind him. Now that I think about it, the mirror's angle is so wrong for where the guy was to see someone behind him. The only thing the bad guy should have seen is the side of the car.

2. The lawyer agreeing to do more for Joe is silly. He threatened her before, now she is in an FBI office. Does she think she is safer outside of the office doing his bidding? Why not just tell the FBI exactly what he said about the location for the drop. The lawyer was beyond stupid. I thought for a minute that Joe had a parent/family member of hers, but he just cut off some fingers. Yes, that sucks, but you are going to do his bidding and end up in jail as an accomplice instead of being safe with the FBI and telling them what you know.

3. The ex-wife was even more stupid. Hardy is going to where they think your son is, yet you get in a car with a cult member? Didn't Joe just try to kill you in prison and send a serial killer to your house to kill you? You are going to trust him that he will let you see your son? What do you think he will do if he let's you see him, let you both go? Oh, and let me make sure that the FBI, who is protecting me, doesn't know where I am going.

4. The old couple sees a serial killer and a kidnapped boy and doesn't lock the door and/or get your guns out? They get killed by a guy who picks up a hoe? What old, white farmer in farmland doesn't have a shotgun handy? Any reason not a single other cop is driving to the farm house where they made the 911 call? We have to wait 10 minutes for the one with the FBI agent. Neither of the two cops out where the sheriff, so had to at least be a couple more that should have been ready to roll after seeing the most wanted people in the US in a convenience store.

Great points. All except for the mirror thing were what we were saying as the show was on. Definitely thought they had one of the lawyers family members hostage. No one could be shocked when she revealed she lost fingers. Hardly a reason to give in to Joe's demands.also, the black FBI guy would have locked himself out of the restaurant when he went out the back door.

still watching though. Like I said, it's good for a laugh but is interesting enough to keep with it.

By sending someone else to cut her fingers off he was letting her know that he had others that would his bidding for him if she didn't follow through..

Right and like the ex-wife, why trust him now? Your best bet for survival is to tell the FBI, get protection and wait until this is over. Give them the information you get from Joe and don't talk to Joe again.

ummm.. you are watching the same show as the rest of us .. right??Protection from the FBI on this show pretty much means you are dead..

 

[stbugs]

It's losing me....

Agreed. So many really bad parts.1. The cop has to shoot if the guy won't stop. What random farmer wouldn't stop so he doesn't get accidentally shot. That and seeing the cop in the mirror, geez. Aren't most left hand mirror tilted like this / so you can see what is behind you. They aren't like this - so a guy in the back of the vehicle can see what is moving directly behind him. Now that I think about it, the mirror's angle is so wrong for where the guy was to see someone behind him. The only thing the bad guy should have seen is the side of the car.

2. The lawyer agreeing to do more for Joe is silly. He threatened her before, now she is in an FBI office. Does she think she is safer outside of the office doing his bidding? Why not just tell the FBI exactly what he said about the location for the drop. The lawyer was beyond stupid. I thought for a minute that Joe had a parent/family member of hers, but he just cut off some fingers. Yes, that sucks, but you are going to do his bidding and end up in jail as an accomplice instead of being safe with the FBI and telling them what you know.

3. The ex-wife was even more stupid. Hardy is going to where they think your son is, yet you get in a car with a cult member? Didn't Joe just try to kill you in prison and send a serial killer to your house to kill you? You are going to trust him that he will let you see your son? What do you think he will do if he let's you see him, let you both go? Oh, and let me make sure that the FBI, who is protecting me, doesn't know where I am going.

4. The old couple sees a serial killer and a kidnapped boy and doesn't lock the door and/or get your guns out? They get killed by a guy who picks up a hoe? What old, white farmer in farmland doesn't have a shotgun handy? Any reason not a single other cop is driving to the farm house where they made the 911 call? We have to wait 10 minutes for the one with the FBI agent. Neither of the two cops out where the sheriff, so had to at least be a couple more that should have been ready to roll after seeing the most wanted people in the US in a convenience store.

Great points. All except for the mirror thing were what we were saying as the show was on. Definitely thought they had one of the lawyers family members hostage. No one could be shocked when she revealed she lost fingers. Hardly a reason to give in to Joe's demands.also, the black FBI guy would have locked himself out of the restaurant when he went out the back door.

still watching though. Like I said, it's good for a laugh but is interesting enough to keep with it.

By sending someone else to cut her fingers off he was letting her know that he had others that would his bidding for him if she didn't follow through..

Right and like the ex-wife, why trust him now? Your best bet for survival is to tell the FBI, get protection and wait until this is over. Give them the information you get from Joe and don't talk to Joe again.

ummm.. you are watching the same show as the rest of us .. right??Protection from the FBI on this show pretty much means you are dead..

True, in this show the laws of reality are bending. Despite that I do think it is safer "in the show" at the FBI office than home alone where your gay neighbors are cult members. Besides, the FBI office has been safe. It was the local cop perimeter that failed at the ex-wife's house. For example, do you think Claire (pretty sure that is her name) was safer with the FBI folks next to her at lunch or in the SUV with the cult member?

 

[peaces]

That one dude isn't really gay...he's just playing the part....really, really good.

 

[MarshallPlan]

 

[southeastjerome]

I like it so far, but I think it needs another big move or two.

 

[joffer]

Perimeter is set. No way they're getting through that

 

[joffer]

There are more people in on it than not in on it

 

[Sarnoff]

KB in the chair talking smack about the three-way was laugh-out-loud funny.Better episode than last week.

 

[jamny]

That episode really pushed the "24" vibe way too much for me. Too many moments. Still going to stick with it but it's starting to lose me.

 

[Payne]

Think I am out after last night.

 

[Jayrok]

I want to meet the lead FBI agent.

 

[Cyclones]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

 

[Jayrok]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

What about last night's episode turned it into garbage for you?

 

[Cyclones]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

What about last night's episode turned it into garbage for you?

The stuff with Bacon was great, him taunting the two dudes - but there are too many people in on it, and the fact that they have 3 serial killers pinned down in a house and there wasn't a friggin army there is outrageous. No way anyone gets out of that house with actual law enforcement in charge. Also, dude gets shot in the chest while wearing a vest by a pistol and stays down and out for what, like several minutes while they get away? And why would the lawyer play along? Because some dude chopped off 2 of her fingers? Does nobody EVER call the cops about anything in this show? And if I hear Bacon say "I'm going around back" in the dark, by himself, one more time....."Roderick sent me"

 

[Payne]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

What about last night's episode turned it into garbage for you?

House is surrounded yet she walks out the back door with the kid lagging behind.Two guys appear out of nowhere, shoot two FBI agents in the back and then have time to change and enter the house only to shoot two more FBI agents?The local lady officer = in on it.Why the attorney is helping.Just has gotten too much for me.

 

[Jayrok]

Fair enough. I figured the attorney is helping because she believes her family is in danger if she doesn't. No one knows how far he's gone to set everything up. But, it's just a tv show. Nothing else on during the time slot, so I'll see where it goes.

 

[peaces]

Got the Roku and netflix this weekend...too many good shows and movies lined up for me to waste time with this show. I might watch it down the road if I hear good things about it from this point on, but I doubt it.

 

[Cyclones]

Fair enough. I figured the attorney is helping because she believes her family is in danger if she doesn't. No one knows how far he's gone to set everything up. But, it's just a tv show. Nothing else on during the time slot, so I'll see where it goes.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I was really psyched about this show after the 1st 2 episodes - I thought it had a chance to be great. Where is the money coming from for all of this? With all the time they have spent setting all of this up, they probably haven't had time to work. Carroll's wife should have his money, so who is financing this thing?

 

[Spin]

Fair enough. I figured the attorney is helping because she believes her family is in danger if she doesn't. No one knows how far he's gone to set everything up. But, it's just a tv show. Nothing else on during the time slot, so I'll see where it goes.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I was really psyched about this show after the 1st 2 episodes - I thought it had a chance to be great. Where is the money coming from for all of this? With all the time they have spent setting all of this up, they probably haven't had time to work. Carroll's wife should have his money, so who is financing this thing?

It officially lost my fiancee. When I turned it on, she left the room. I'll keep watching, just because I'm curious how it ends and I really like Bacon in this show. This was an awesome episode for him. Almost tooo many people in on it. And the fact that the guy who kidnapped Carroll's wife can throw a flash bomb down and run out the back was insane, there's no way that would work. I like Carrol's character and I like Bacon's character, so I'll watch. The stuff about the FBI leader's parents being in a cult was a bit over the top. If she went back into the room with the guy, what exactly did she ruin? Because she slapped him? Or is there more to it they're just leaving out for now.

 

[apalmer]

Fair enough. I figured the attorney is helping because she believes her family is in danger if she doesn't. No one knows how far he's gone to set everything up. But, it's just a tv show. Nothing else on during the time slot, so I'll see where it goes.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I was really psyched about this show after the 1st 2 episodes - I thought it had a chance to be great. Where is the money coming from for all of this? With all the time they have spent setting all of this up, they probably haven't had time to work. Carroll's wife should have his money, so who is financing this thing?

It officially lost my fiancee. When I turned it on, she left the room. I'll keep watching, just because I'm curious how it ends and I really like Bacon in this show. This was an awesome episode for him. Almost tooo many people in on it. And the fact that the guy who kidnapped Carroll's wife can throw a flash bomb down and run out the back was insane, there's no way that would work. I like Carrol's character and I like Bacon's character, so I'll watch. The stuff about the FBI leader's parents being in a cult was a bit over the top. If she went back into the room with the guy, what exactly did she ruin? Because she slapped him? Or is there more to it they're just leaving out for now.

It will probably get shown in the future, but presumably she either continued to resist or ran away from the compound afterwards (and/or reported him)instead of professing her love for the dirtbag leader.

 

[Cyclones]

Fair enough. I figured the attorney is helping because she believes her family is in danger if she doesn't. No one knows how far he's gone to set everything up. But, it's just a tv show. Nothing else on during the time slot, so I'll see where it goes.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I was really psyched about this show after the 1st 2 episodes - I thought it had a chance to be great. Where is the money coming from for all of this? With all the time they have spent setting all of this up, they probably haven't had time to work. Carroll's wife should have his money, so who is financing this thing?

It officially lost my fiancee. When I turned it on, she left the room. I'll keep watching, just because I'm curious how it ends and I really like Bacon in this show. This was an awesome episode for him. Almost tooo many people in on it. And the fact that the guy who kidnapped Carroll's wife can throw a flash bomb down and run out the back was insane, there's no way that would work. I like Carrol's character and I like Bacon's character, so I'll watch. The stuff about the FBI leader's parents being in a cult was a bit over the top. If she went back into the room with the guy, what exactly did she ruin? Because she slapped him? Or is there more to it they're just leaving out for now.

Yeah, I won't give up on it yet, but they can only throw the same twist so many times. I'm thinking this would have made a great movie, a TV series, not so much. I'm staying with it because like you, I find the 2 main characters intriguing, and I badly want to see Emma killed. She annoys the #### out of me.

 

[pollardsvision]

Saw the first episode. Didn't hate it, but it felt like a serialized version of a CSI/Criminal Minds type of thing. Deciding whether or not to watch the following episodes that are on the DVR. Does it get better?

 

[Spin]

Saw the first episode. Didn't hate it, but it felt like a serialized version of a CSI/Criminal Minds type of thing. Deciding whether or not to watch the following episodes that are on the DVR. Does it get better?

Meh, I wish I wouldn't have started watching really. Because now I'm intrigued enough to finish the season, mainly to see how it plays out, but the episodes themselves have been going downhill quick. I really like Carrol and Bacon's characters, and are really the only reason I continue to watch. I probably wouldn't read to many more posts if you're planning on catching up. Part of the "appeal" is that anyone can be in on it at any time. And it kind of ruins parts of the show if you know who's in on it the whole time. But it's kind of getting ridiculous now.

 

[stbugs]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

What about last night's episode turned it into garbage for you?

House is surrounded yet she walks out the back door with the kid lagging behind.Two guys appear out of nowhere, shoot two FBI agents in the back and then have time to change and enter the house only to shoot two more FBI agents?The local lady officer = in on it.Why the attorney is helping.Just has gotten too much for me.

I am probably in just to see it end, but the last two episodes have gone from being a good show with lots of potential to being 24 on roids. So the FBI has to wait on the SWAT team, but the serial killer team is able to get 1 guy to the farmhouse and then get backups there before SWAT?Guy 1 was supposed to get them out of there and Hardy stopped that, but one call by the nanny and they have 2 more at the ready? If the plan was to let all 3 escape, why do you have to go through all these stupid hoops? It would have been better if the first guy kills the cop and gets the 3 away before Hardy can get them.Wouldn't it have been a better story line and far more believable to have guy 1 get away with the nanny and kid and somehow Hardy shoots curly gay guy and curly and the other bi-guy escape through the woods and grab another farmer's car?To make it seem like Carroll thought of every single situation and every possible scenario and had contingeny plans galore with 100 serial killers all at his beck and call turns a solid show into a comedy.

 

[shadyridr]

How about the fact that the bad guys in the fbi outfits were the ones who shot into the house?

 

[Jayrok]

Think I am out after last night.

My GF and I were literally pissed off at how bad it got - these guys had a potentially very good series and they have turned it into garbage - shark jumped.

What about last night's episode turned it into garbage for you?

House is surrounded yet she walks out the back door with the kid lagging behind.Two guys appear out of nowhere, shoot two FBI agents in the back and then have time to change and enter the house only to shoot two more FBI agents?The local lady officer = in on it.Why the attorney is helping.Just has gotten too much for me.

I am probably in just to see it end, but the last two episodes have gone from being a good show with lots of potential to being 24 on roids. So the FBI has to wait on the SWAT team, but the serial killer team is able to get 1 guy to the farmhouse and then get backups there before SWAT?Guy 1 was supposed to get them out of there and Hardy stopped that, but one call by the nanny and they have 2 more at the ready? If the plan was to let all 3 escape, why do you have to go through all these stupid hoops? It would have been better if the first guy kills the cop and gets the 3 away before Hardy can get them.Wouldn't it have been a better story line and far more believable to have guy 1 get away with the nanny and kid and somehow Hardy shoots curly gay guy and curly and the other bi-guy escape through the woods and grab another farmer's car?To make it seem like Carroll thought of every single situation and every possible scenario and had contingeny plans galore with 100 serial killers all at his beck and call turns a solid show into a comedy.

Valid complaints. I'll cut the show some slack and just see how it pans out. I'm hoping that agent Parker (Annie Parisse) is the final nail that ends the story by killing Bacon and Carroll, and all the remaining "followers" because of what happened to her parents. They were "followers" of the cult she ran from. Then she can slip away in a cab or something and come live with me. I don't think it's necessary that Carroll has thought of all possible situations/scenarios. They have shown us that each of the characters has their own "follower". Carroll's wife has had a follower for two years, so although Carroll is the reason the guy is following her, he is concentrating on her alone. It seems the local police in that town also had "followers" so they knew the FBI was coming. Two guys show up in the woods and wait for the FBI to show up near the house. They've been training for that moment. It's a show.

 

[Statorama]

But it's kind of getting ridiculous now.

I can't take it anymore. I'm out.

 

[Sarnoff]

FOX is buying a second season

 

[Papa Georgio]

I was really into this the 1st few shows, but it was ventured into silliness to me.

I was thinking the same thing about them surrounding the house and the criminals getting out and how unbelievable it was, but just this week I was watching some reality cop drama. In it they have about 30 patrol cars take 10 minutes "to get in position", go to the front door balls out, start beating on front door for 2-3 minutes when you see a white truck about 3 houses down appear and start ripping away down the street. You can hear some guy say something like, "Oh hell they went out the back."

 

[Jayrok]

I thought last night was a good episode, all except the part where Joe killed the lawyer in the car. Guy has three broken fingers and he strangles her as she sits quietly in the drivers seat. No struggle to try and save her own life. No punching the guy or grabbing his nose/face, gauging his eyes... nothing. Just sitting there. Why not just start the car and floor it ramming into something... anything.

But other than that, I enjoyed the episode.

 

[Jayrok]

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire.

I agree that they could have chosen to sneak up on them while they were talking, but there is no reason to believe they would just open fire with innocent bystanders all around.

 

[mad sweeney]

Shoot, I forgot it was Monday and thought this was discussion about last week's episode. This night shift work sucks, forget what day is what. I was trying to figure out when the hell Carroll was loose.

 

[wikkidpissah]

But it's kind of getting ridiculous now.

I can't take it anymore. I'm out.

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire. At some point, when you lose the desire or budget or writing for hyper realism, then at least give your audience the big box of cheese. At least 24 did that, it knew it would ride some comic book style outlandish situations, but they paid back the audience with gratuitous choke outs and air strikes and rampage killings. This show is missing some serious fan service. It's ok to have a show that defies most basic conventions, but you have to give people a setup/payoff arc structure that fits that. Holder doesn't get to torture someone on The Killing, but Jack Bauer does on 24.

got a feeling i'm going to be "24"-ing this show - forgiving it enough to watch each wk, but slapping my forehead like a whiteguy halfway into each ep - for a while.

 

[Cyclones]

But it's kind of getting ridiculous now.

I can't take it anymore. I'm out.

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire. At some point, when you lose the desire or budget or writing for hyper realism, then at least give your audience the big box of cheese. At least 24 did that, it knew it would ride some comic book style outlandish situations, but they paid back the audience with gratuitous choke outs and air strikes and rampage killings. This show is missing some serious fan service. It's ok to have a show that defies most basic conventions, but you have to give people a setup/payoff arc structure that fits that. Holder doesn't get to torture someone on The Killing, but Jack Bauer does on 24.

got a feeling i'm going to be "24"-ing this show - forgiving it enough to watch each wk, but slapping my forehead like a whiteguy halfway into each ep - for a while.

It keeps getting worse and worse. How does one guy (the warden) sneak a serial killer out, doctor tape, etc. How many hideouts do these guys have? Again, who is financing this operation? Then I see in the previews that there are 8 more episodes this season? How many times can they keep recycling the same ####? Barring a huge, unexpected twist in the next couple of weeks, this thing has run its course. I'm a little pissed because I have to keep watching now to see how it ends. This show had SO much potential through 2 episodes. Since then its been a hot mess.

 

[Sarnoff]

I thought last night was a good episode, all except the part where Joe killed the lawyer in the car. Guy has three broken fingers and he strangles her as she sits quietly in the drivers seat. No struggle to try and save her own life. No punching the guy or grabbing his nose/face, gauging his eyes... nothing. Just sitting there. Why not just start the car and floor it ramming into something... anything.

This is why he cut her fingers off years ago. See? Planned it all in advance

 

[NCCommish]

So last night was my first time to watch the show. I think the followers are really just lazy writing tools. You can always have someone "in on it" to move the story line along and cover plot holes. If this guy was that smart he wouldn't have been caught the first time. Further they show him so emotional over his son at the end. But that isn't how these guys work. People are tools. The only value the boy should have to him is as a tool to get to his mother and Bacon. Not really tearful reunion types. I know jumping in a few episodes on isn't a great way to get a feel for the show but I think this thing may have been a tad overhyped. I did like Bacon and Purefoy's work but I don't see myself making an effort to tune in.

 

[Jayrok]

I thought last night was a good episode, all except the part where Joe killed the lawyer in the car. Guy has three broken fingers and he strangles her as she sits quietly in the drivers seat. No struggle to try and save her own life. No punching the guy or grabbing his nose/face, gauging his eyes... nothing. Just sitting there. Why not just start the car and floor it ramming into something... anything.

This is why he cut her fingers off years ago. See? Planned it all in advance

She should have poked him in the eyes with her two gnarly digits.

 

[Sarnoff]

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire.

I agree that they could have chosen to sneak up on them while they were talking, but there is no reason to believe they would just open fire with innocent bystanders all around.

I'm trying to figure out what Hardy expected to happen when he was shooting the chopper. What happens if he doesn't miss? Cap the pilot, crash the chopper into an office building or the cars on the street below?

 

[NCCommish]

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire.

I agree that they could have chosen to sneak up on them while they were talking, but there is no reason to believe they would just open fire with innocent bystanders all around.

I'm trying to figure out what Hardy expected to happen when he was shooting the chopper. What happens if he doesn't miss? Cap the pilot, crash the chopper into an office building or the cars on the street below?

Well small arms can bring down a chopper. And since the damage would be minor the pilot could conceivably auto rotate to a landing. But did anyone really think he was going to hit it? I didn't.

 

[Billy Bats]

First time reading the thread and have the same thoughts. Really thought it would be good after the first couple episodes but I've been rolling my eyes every week since. The Mrs enjoys the show for some reason so it's something to watch with her when I'm not ignoring her. Plus it's really fun to tell her how ridiculous every move is and have her defend it.

So which FBI agent is in on it?? The somewhat hot chick with the cult family or the dude, Mike? You know one of them will be revealed in the season finale cliffhanger.

 

[Sarnoff]

My pet peeve is TV shows that aren't about what they're about. This show & "Revolution" are the two I've been watching this season that have the same frustrating problem. The 1-sentence description, the TV Guide "log line" for the show, is: 'The series follows a former FBI agent who finds himself in the middle of a network of serial killers, when a diabolical serial killer uses his charisma and the Internet to create the network'. That's the first line on the wikipedia page. For "Revolution", it's the opening line of every episode: 'We lived in an electric world. We relied on it for everything. And then the power went out. Everything stopped working. We weren't prepared. Fear and confusion led to panic. The lucky ones made it out of the cities. The government collapsed. Militias took over, controlling the food supply and stockpiling weapons. We still don't know why the power went out. But we're hopeful someone will come and light the way.' Yet, neither show is about that. Every. Single. Episode. of "Revolution" has been about recovering the kidnapped son. Every. Single. Episode. of "The Following" has been about recovering the kidnapped son. The plot just never goes anywhere or advances or has any point... it's not an "episodic" TV show, like "Law & Order", where every episode is a single encased story that begins & ends in one hour and has no week-to-week continuity that needs to be followed. But it's not a real "serialized" TV show either, where the episodes all build a single storyline and it has to be kept up with every week to avoid getting lost, like "24". It's really neither, the plot progress is non-existent, every episode is the same story in a different setting. "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from the nanny's house." "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from a house upstate." "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from a warehouse." etc. etc. etc. You could have watched the first episode and this week's episode and avoided all the ones in the middle and be entirely caught up and the plot would be consistent, nothing you would have missed would have mattered at all. Pilot ended with nanny grabbing the kid and Joe in prison, this week Joe breaks out and the nanny has delivered the kid. Nothing in between needed to happen.

 

[Jayrok]

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire.

I agree that they could have chosen to sneak up on them while they were talking, but there is no reason to believe they would just open fire with innocent bystanders all around.

Guys on a national terror spree, just killed his lawyer and just escaped from the combined efforts of the FBI, local law enforcement and the US Marshals SOG unit. A real life situation like Carroll would have an actual impact on the economy. The Beltway sniper(s) caused the entire east coast into a grinding halt. Given the angle, it was a mostly clean background. Given my training and experience, I take the shot. And I wager 99 percent of the time, it results in a clean shoot even with civilian casualties. I think there is a serious disconnect between what law enforcement can and cannot do in a use of force scenario and what the public perceives can or cannot be done. Use of force policies for law enforcement agencies are INTENTIONALLY VAGUE. The reasons being that no deadly use of force scenario can be easily matched to another and could not be judged or evaluated without taking the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES in the given time and place. Shooting someone in the back is not a great move. It would however not be a prohibited move given a certain set of circumstances. Carroll makes the entire use of deadly force an easy task. He is on national terror spree. He has kidnapped an innocent child. His actions have resulted in the death of multiple law enforcement officers. His "followers" use very public acts of violence and terror. I'm not sure most people understand how our government would work given a real life "Carroll" Privately and quietly, Posse Comitatus goes out the door. US Special Forces will operate in country to neutralize someone like Carroll. Once it's clear the top federal law enforcement agencies can no longer cope, once Carroll has exploited and broken the US Marshal's SOG unit and FBI BAU and HRT, the government starts to ring in professional shooters. They opt in guys like me, guys with trigger time who won't have a problem shooting through a baby to drop Carroll. Who wouldn't have a problem torturing Carroll's son with an icepick if it meant stopping Carroll. Under Echelon, with priority tasking, any time one of Carroll's suspected associates goes on a computer or talks on a phone, there would be an assault team locking and loading to bear on them. Press spin control would be easy, look at how easy it is to incite and pacify the basic American/Western sheeple now? This show has devolved into a drinking game, that's how bad the writing has gotten- Take two shots each time Hardy goes to see the ex wife to tell her he's accomplished nothing and have her give him a pissed off look - Take a shot each time someone says "Where's Joey?" and no one knows where the kid is. - Take a shot each time Hardy is foiled by his bad ticker!- Take two shots each time Hardy and law enforcement is foiled by a mole/traitor/sleeper/hidden agent of Carrolls- Take five shots each time someone is "sent by Roderick" - Take ten shots each time Emma has sex, and the net effect is like watching Dumbledore fondling Harry Potter. - Take three shots each time you point at the TV and are sure Joey is the stupidest kid in the world and when Joe Carroll finds out, will probably execute him for it. - Take five shots every time a minority or black person dies- Take three shots every time Marc Antony hams it up and gleefully says, "It's just the beginning!" to Hardy. Or to anyone.

Well, you've certainly thought this out quite a bit. Nice idea for a drinking game.

 

[stbugs]

My pet peeve is TV shows that aren't about what they're about. This show & "Revolution" are the two I've been watching this season that have the same frustrating problem. The 1-sentence description, the TV Guide "log line" for the show, is: 'The series follows a former FBI agent who finds himself in the middle of a network of serial killers, when a diabolical serial killer uses his charisma and the Internet to create the network'. That's the first line on the wikipedia page. For "Revolution", it's the opening line of every episode: 'We lived in an electric world. We relied on it for everything. And then the power went out. Everything stopped working. We weren't prepared. Fear and confusion led to panic. The lucky ones made it out of the cities. The government collapsed. Militias took over, controlling the food supply and stockpiling weapons. We still don't know why the power went out. But we're hopeful someone will come and light the way.' Yet, neither show is about that. Every. Single. Episode. of "Revolution" has been about recovering the kidnapped son. Every. Single. Episode. of "The Following" has been about recovering the kidnapped son. The plot just never goes anywhere or advances or has any point... it's not an "episodic" TV show, like "Law & Order", where every episode is a single encased story that begins & ends in one hour and has no week-to-week continuity that needs to be followed. But it's not a real "serialized" TV show either, where the episodes all build a single storyline and it has to be kept up with every week to avoid getting lost, like "24". It's really neither, the plot progress is non-existent, every episode is the same story in a different setting. "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from the nanny's house." "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from a house upstate." "This week, Ryan fails to rescue the son from a warehouse." etc. etc. etc. You could have watched the first episode and this week's episode and avoided all the ones in the middle and be entirely caught up and the plot would be consistent, nothing you would have missed would have mattered at all. Pilot ended with nanny grabbing the kid and Joe in prison, this week Joe breaks out and the nanny has delivered the kid. Nothing in between needed to happen.

I haven't even watched this week's episode, just wanted to get a quick impression if they righted the ship or we got the same thing. Great point about 24, at least in 24, there is a storyline even as silly as it used to get. This one was all about this cult of serial killers, yet these serial killers aren't out terrorizing the world, they are all involved in the kidnapping of Carroll's kid and wife.

Think about how good this show could have been if Carroll created this network of serial killers all over the country and we had a nationwide panic and the FBI was in charge of stopping them and it had none of the silly stuff we have seen so far. How hard is it for TV people to think of something like that?

 

[NCCommish]

Show could have ended tonight easily. When Carroll was on the 2nd floor, right up the stairwell, talking to the long haired accomplice in the suit, for about 10 seconds, they did not see Hardy and Weston enter the building. Of course, both scream out and give Carroll a chance to run, but I suspect in real life, both Hardy and Weston would have simply opened fire.

I agree that they could have chosen to sneak up on them while they were talking, but there is no reason to believe they would just open fire with innocent bystanders all around.

Guys on a national terror spree, just killed his lawyer and just escaped from the combined efforts of the FBI, local law enforcement and the US Marshals SOG unit. A real life situation like Carroll would have an actual impact on the economy. The Beltway sniper(s) caused the entire east coast into a grinding halt. Given the angle, it was a mostly clean background. Given my training and experience, I take the shot. And I wager 99 percent of the time, it results in a clean shoot even with civilian casualties. I think there is a serious disconnect between what law enforcement can and cannot do in a use of force scenario and what the public perceives can or cannot be done. Use of force policies for law enforcement agencies are INTENTIONALLY VAGUE. The reasons being that no deadly use of force scenario can be easily matched to another and could not be judged or evaluated without taking the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES in the given time and place. Shooting someone in the back is not a great move. It would however not be a prohibited move given a certain set of circumstances. Carroll makes the entire use of deadly force an easy task. He is on national terror spree. He has kidnapped an innocent child. His actions have resulted in the death of multiple law enforcement officers. His "followers" use very public acts of violence and terror. I'm not sure most people understand how our government would work given a real life "Carroll" Privately and quietly, Posse Comitatus goes out the door. US Special Forces will operate in country to neutralize someone like Carroll. Once it's clear the top federal law enforcement agencies can no longer cope, once Carroll has exploited and broken the US Marshal's SOG unit and FBI BAU and HRT, the government starts to ring in professional shooters. They opt in guys like me, guys with trigger time who won't have a problem shooting through a baby to drop Carroll. Who wouldn't have a problem torturing Carroll's son with an icepick if it meant stopping Carroll. Under Echelon, with priority tasking, any time one of Carroll's suspected associates goes on a computer or talks on a phone, there would be an assault team locking and loading to bear on them. Press spin control would be easy, look at how easy it is to incite and pacify the basic American/Western sheeple now? This show has devolved into a drinking game, that's how bad the writing has gotten- Take two shots each time Hardy goes to see the ex wife to tell her he's accomplished nothing and have her give him a pissed off look - Take a shot each time someone says "Where's Joey?" and no one knows where the kid is. - Take a shot each time Hardy is foiled by his bad ticker!- Take two shots each time Hardy and law enforcement is foiled by a mole/traitor/sleeper/hidden agent of Carrolls- Take five shots each time someone is "sent by Roderick" - Take ten shots each time Emma has sex, and the net effect is like watching Dumbledore fondling Harry Potter. - Take three shots each time you point at the TV and are sure Joey is the stupidest kid in the world and when Joe Carroll finds out, will probably execute him for it. - Take five shots every time a minority or black person dies- Take three shots every time Marc Antony hams it up and gleefully says, "It's just the beginning!" to Hardy. Or to anyone.

Well, you've certainly thought this out quite a bit. Nice idea for a drinking game.

And it would all make a lot of sense except the FBI says there may be as many as 100 active serial killers in this country right now. So his scenario is over the top. Plus his example of the Beltway Sniper isn't a good fit. They were seen as a terrorist threat.

 

[stbugs]

Dear lord. The Walking Dead is the highest rated cable show ever and I am pretty sure it has a lot more male viewers, not many shirtless guys. I know you are schtick, but geez.

 

[stbugs]

Dear lord. The Walking Dead is the highest rated cable show ever and I am pretty sure it has a lot more male viewers, not many shirtless guys. I know you are schtick, but geez.

If you don't believe me, ask Sarnoff and videoguy505 and mad sweeney how off the mark I am. ( I'm roughly remembering those guys work in the industry in some capacity)

You are looking at raw ratings, but the breakdown of those ratings, depending on age, race, gender, earning power all matter to advertisers, producers, networks and people whose jobs rest on whether the show they are working on survives or not.

Wrong again.My Link

So, I say again, how hard is it to do that as a TV show? If you make a good show, people will watch it. My wife, as girly as a wife can get, who would never watch The Walking Dead was watching The Following with me and she has had the same reaction as I have with the way the show has gotten silly. She likes the Real Housewives shows, but she and her friends also liked seeing those Paranormal movies together. Feel free to defend it again as if they couldn't have done it right by actually creating a national serial killer cult that actually did that instead of just kidnapping two people, just don't do it in 25 lines.

 

[stbugs]

Gekko, did you really delete your last two posts? Hysterical when people post bad stuff and then delete it.

 

[joffer]

whoever has the keys to the GG alias needs to give them up. The last several efforts have been really weak

 

[stbugs]

whoever has the keys to the GG alias needs to give them up. The last several efforts have been really weak