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Loved Merle but everyone hated him since the beginning. All he really did was cause trouble. He wasn't a character that could've lived with the mass in group after what he did for the governor.
Loved Merle but everyone hated him since the beginning. All he really did was cause trouble. He wasn't a character that could've lived with the mass in group after what he did for the governor.
Shane went1 question I have always had regarding the Shane/Rick dynamic. They were partners for how long before the apocalypse? In the one episode we got to see them together before it all went down, it seemed like they had a great working relationship. It just seems to me they should already know what type of person the other is and find a way to utilize both of their strengths. Even with Lori in the middle, it's the end of the freaking world. You would think they could have figured it out.
Season 2 was great in my opinion for a number of reasons but bringing everything to the head with Rick and Shane was one of the biggest strengths of the season. I think one of the reasons why it worked so well was because it had to end. And it had to end the way it did.I wonder if the love for Shane would be as much if Lori wasn't the biggest biotch in the world. I also think it made Rick look worse because he stayed with her. I couldn't stand her either and I liked Shane's character, but I wasn't mad to see him go. It seemed like a good time and it started the herd and the farmaggedon.Same here. He was a little over the top crazy but something I could see as a possibility in that society. Great actor. I loved his character. My wife hated him. I liked hating that whore of a wife, Lori, too.I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
I have stopped watching 100% of the shows I don't like. I don't often post in threads about them either. Maybe that's just me.I can agree with that.Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.
Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.
There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.
Rick's "reluctant hopeless leader / grrrr I'm the boss / reluctant hopless leader / etc " act was interesting for the first couple seasons but it's grown repetitive stale as hell. The death of the more interesting characters has exposed his extremely thin character as exactly that.
I last night I finally realized that I stopped caring about any of these characters a long time ago.
Wasnt it Milton who observed they become more docile when their jaws are cut off?Put me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
what I don't get is why the other walkers don't come after her just because she's holding a rope (or chain when we first met her, I think) attached to said petsPut me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
They went through this with the science guy that was partnered with the governor. I don't recall what the reasoning was, but there was an explanation for it.what I don't get is why the other walkers don't come after her just because she's holding a rope (or chain when we first met her, I think) attached to said petsPut me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
ah... didn't recall thatThey went through this with the science guy that was partnered with the governor. I don't recall what the reasoning was, but there was an explanation for it.what I don't get is why the other walkers don't come after her just because she's holding a rope (or chain when we first met her, I think) attached to said petsPut me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
Doesn't the walkers decaying flesh smell prevent the walkers from smelling Michonne's "live" smell?ah... didn't recall thatThey went through this with the science guy that was partnered with the governor. I don't recall what the reasoning was, but there was an explanation for it.what I don't get is why the other walkers don't come after her just because she's holding a rope (or chain when we first met her, I think) attached to said petsPut me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
they've certainly used the smell before to mask the human scent, but usually it's more than just being in close proximity to a walkerDoesn't the walkers decaying flesh smell prevent the walkers from smelling Michonne's "live" smell?ah... didn't recall thatThey went through this with the science guy that was partnered with the governor. I don't recall what the reasoning was, but there was an explanation for it.what I don't get is why the other walkers don't come after her just because she's holding a rope (or chain when we first met her, I think) attached to said petsPut me in the camp of liking the episode. I think Carl did an effective job (at least for me) of starting out the episode as the brat you hope dies horribly to the kid you don't wish death upon, but wouldn't shed a tear if he did die. I liked the back stories and I think it sounds like this is what the next few episodes are going to be about with the characters.
I know it was asked a few pages back, but the one thing I can't figure out is why do the pets become calm when Michone chops them up. I mean, I understand that can't bite, claw her, but to me they still would have the instinct to come after her. Just my little problem with it...
I used to love the show. This is a discussion forum aka timewaster while at work. I enjoy talking with others who think the show is flopping about our perceptions of it's flaws.I have stopped watching 100% of the shows I don't like. I don't often post in threads about them either. Maybe that's just me.I can agree with that.Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.
Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.
There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.
Rick's "reluctant hopeless leader / grrrr I'm the boss / reluctant hopless leader / etc " act was interesting for the first couple seasons but it's grown repetitive stale as hell. The death of the more interesting characters has exposed his extremely thin character as exactly that.
I last night I finally realized that I stopped caring about any of these characters a long time ago.
Killing off Rick would do two things. First, it would get rid of a tiresome character that is just frustrating to watch. Second, it would show that absolutely no one is safe. Think of Game of Thrones. In the first season they off Ned Stark. Everyone that hadn't been spoiled by the books was shocked they killed the protagonist in the middle of season 1. After that point, can you really claim anyone is safe? Kill Rick and who is off limits?Shane was a great character and the Rick-Shane dynamic is one of the reasons why Season 2 is my favorite thus far. But as great as Shane was, he had to go. The entire point of that storyline (and his character) was that he and Rick could not co-exist. So one of them had to go. Considering Rick is and always has been the lead character it shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone to see Shane be the one to exit.Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.
Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.
There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Yeah....they actually carried Shane a bit further in the show than they did in the book.Season 2 was great in my opinion for a number of reasons but bringing everything to the head with Rick and Shane was one of the biggest strengths of the season. I think one of the reasons why it worked so well was because it had to end. And it had to end the way it did.I wonder if the love for Shane would be as much if Lori wasn't the biggest biotch in the world. I also think it made Rick look worse because he stayed with her. I couldn't stand her either and I liked Shane's character, but I wasn't mad to see him go. It seemed like a good time and it started the herd and the farmaggedon.Same here. He was a little over the top crazy but something I could see as a possibility in that society. Great actor. I loved his character. My wife hated him. I liked hating that whore of a wife, Lori, too.I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.![]()
The conflict between Rick and Shane couldn't go on in perpituity. Could you imagine how awful it would be for the two of them to be bickering back and forth for all of the last two seasons.
also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding
In another world it would have been Andrea. They ####ed that up though...mr roboto said:Everyone is to nice and deferential to Rick. Hershel was his biggest supporter, propping his leadership up among the group. Carl is a paper tiger, so they need someone else to emerge as the darker side of leadership in this world. Not sure who though.
The writers seriously must be knocking the scripts out really fast some days. The walk backwards into something is second only in lame writing to the lets have something jump out from door that you just opened move.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
Umm, that was the point of those scenes. Unless you guys forgot, Carl hasn't done "runs" by himself before. Even when they found Morgan, it was Michonne that saved his ###. Maybe I am incorrect, but I am pretty sure that was Carl's cherry popping last night on sole zombie runs.The writers seriously must be knocking the scripts out really fast some days. The walk backwards into something is second only in lame writing to the lets have something jump out from door that you just opened move.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
Well instead of walking backwards, have Carl miss when he is shooting a handgun.Umm, that was the point of those scenes. Unless you guys forgot, Carl hasn't done "runs" by himself before. Even when they found Morgan, it was Michonne that saved his ###. Maybe I am incorrect, but I am pretty sure that was Carl's cherry popping last night on sole zombie runs.The writers seriously must be knocking the scripts out really fast some days. The walk backwards into something is second only in lame writing to the lets have something jump out from door that you just opened move.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
Call it lame writing, but the whole point of the episode was for Carl to realize he isn't the #### like he thinks and that his dad has protected him and for his dad to realize he is grown up in the zombie world. Of course we could all tell Carl what he did wrong and he could have knocked on the door, but jeez talk about a freaking boring show where every character does the correct thing and not a single person gets eaten. We went through this discussion a ton of times before with almost every character when they do dumb things.
I'll save everyone the frustration right now. People are going to continue to do stupid things and then in some cases they will get eaten or get their friends eaten.
That whole scene made no sense.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.ClownCausedChaos2 said:Nathan R. Jessep said:also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding![]()
God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
They essentially did this on the first episode of this season at the Costco.And I know it would take a lot of tension out of any house-clearing scenes, but there is a much smarter approach to take. Instead of going room to room like Vic Mackey, just open the front door, stand on the porch and make a bunch of noise. Any zombies on the first floor will come to you.![]()
As for closed doors like in last night's episode, politely knock and ask if anyone is in there. Zombies inside will at the very least move toward the door, thus alerting you to his presence. Clearing a house should be easy as pie.
It's a TV show, dude.Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.ClownCausedChaos2 said:Nathan R. Jessep said:also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding![]()
God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
He ate a GALLON of pudding.It's a TV show, dude.Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.ClownCausedChaos2 said:Nathan R. Jessep said:also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding![]()
God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
And?He ate a GALLON of pudding.It's a TV show, dude.Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.ClownCausedChaos2 said:Nathan R. Jessep said:also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding![]()
God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
I remember that one episode of the Flintstones when Fred ate that whole Brontoburger.He ate a GALLON of pudding.It's a TV show, dude.Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.ClownCausedChaos2 said:Nathan R. Jessep said:also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding![]()
God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
I'm not offended at all. I just don't spend a lot of time worrying about shows that I don't like.[icon] said:I used to love the show. This is a discussion forum aka timewaster while at work. I enjoy talking with others who think the show is flopping about our perceptions of it's flaws.phatdawg said:I have stopped watching 100% of the shows I don't like. I don't often post in threads about them either. Maybe that's just me.[icon] said:I can agree with that.flapgreen said:Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.
Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.
There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.
Rick's "reluctant hopeless leader / grrrr I'm the boss / reluctant hopless leader / etc " act was interesting for the first couple seasons but it's grown repetitive stale as hell. The death of the more interesting characters has exposed his extremely thin character as exactly that.
I last night I finally realized that I stopped caring about any of these characters a long time ago.
Its an interesting topic of "good show gone bad".... a "jump the shark" type moment that many great shows experience before the decline. Dexter experienced it. Breaking Bad did not. Sons of Anarchy did. Many people now feel Walking Dead has done this too. It's a viable discussion topic.
It's strange that some of you take personal offense to the fact that some of us think the show has taken a turn for the worse.![]()
Haven't read the intervening pages, so maybe someone already pointed this out - but the title "The Walking Dead" does not refer to the walkers, never has. It refers to the survivors. Maybe that helps put this in context?What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.
I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.
Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..
People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
He did. He took a bunch of unnecessary shots when trying to take out the "pile of zombies".Well instead of walking backwards, have Carl miss when he is shooting a handgun.Umm, that was the point of those scenes. Unless you guys forgot, Carl hasn't done "runs" by himself before. Even when they found Morgan, it was Michonne that saved his ###. Maybe I am incorrect, but I am pretty sure that was Carl's cherry popping last night on sole zombie runs.The writers seriously must be knocking the scripts out really fast some days. The walk backwards into something is second only in lame writing to the lets have something jump out from door that you just opened move.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
Call it lame writing, but the whole point of the episode was for Carl to realize he isn't the #### like he thinks and that his dad has protected him and for his dad to realize he is grown up in the zombie world. Of course we could all tell Carl what he did wrong and he could have knocked on the door, but jeez talk about a freaking boring show where every character does the correct thing and not a single person gets eaten. We went through this discussion a ton of times before with almost every character when they do dumb things.
I'll save everyone the frustration right now. People are going to continue to do stupid things and then in some cases they will get eaten or get their friends eaten.
See above post. Carl doesn't know better, he was being a "dumb but invincible" kid.That whole scene made no sense.The worst scene was the whole walking backward scene. How dumb can he be?
ive heard this before but isnt that kind of silly? Arent we all technically walking dead?Haven't read the intervening pages, so maybe someone already pointed this out - but the title "The Walking Dead" does not refer to the walkers, never has. It refers to the survivors. Maybe that helps put this in context?What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.
I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.
Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.