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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (4 Viewers)

I find it hard to believe that Rick's group wouldn't have had a place to meet in case the prison was attacked or overrun by zombies and they had to vacate quickly. I am sure they'll eventually meet but it seems pretty basic, especially after they had to do the same earlier.
They had a plan. It involved getting everyone on the bus. They referred to it several times during the attack on the prison. The problem was everyone got scattered and the plan pretty much all went to hell.
Exactly my point. You would think they would have had a rendezvous place should anyone not make it on the bus.

 
. Plus, we're four seasons in and it's the most successful show in cable TV history so it's not like anyone working on this show likely views it as a failure.
McDonalds is the most successful hamburger restaurant in history, too... doesn't meat their food isn't #### :)

It used to be good. It really did. I was a big fan. But it's sputtered and died. Ratings will eventually reflect this.
I disagree. I believe you are in the minority. And there's nothing wrong with that. To each his own. But everyone I talk to loves it and thinks it's been great since the beginning. My GF and I loved last night's episode and are happy with the show.

I obviously don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'd guess that people who feel the show is lacking of late or in the small minority.

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..

People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.
:mellow: I don't think you understand what "The Walking Dead" really means. :mellow:

 
If people don't like the characters by now it's probably time to find another show to watch. I doubt Rick or Carl are going anywhere anytime soon, for example. So if you don't like Rick by now, chances are you're not going to suddenly start liking him next week. Plus, we're four seasons in and it's the most successful show in cable TV history so it's not like anyone working on this show likely views it as a failure.
:goodposting: If by now you don't give a bleep if Rick or Carl live, and find yourself :yawn: when the story revolves around them, then it is probably time to move on to another show.

 
. Plus, we're four seasons in and it's the most successful show in cable TV history so it's not like anyone working on this show likely views it as a failure.
McDonalds is the most successful hamburger restaurant in history, too... doesn't meat their food isn't #### :)

It used to be good. It really did. I was a big fan. But it's sputtered and died. Ratings will eventually reflect this.
I disagree. I believe you are in the minority. And there's nothing wrong with that. To each his own. But everyone I talk to loves it and thinks it's been great since the beginning. My GF and I loved last night's episode and are happy with the show.

I obviously don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'd guess that people who feel the show is lacking of late or in the small minority.
The fact the show keeps shattering viewer records on a seemingly weekly basis would seem to be rather strong proof a lot more people like this show than dislike it.

 
If people don't like the characters by now it's probably time to find another show to watch. I doubt Rick or Carl are going anywhere anytime soon, for example. So if you don't like Rick by now, chances are you're not going to suddenly start liking him next week. Plus, we're four seasons in and it's the most successful show in cable TV history so it's not like anyone working on this show likely views it as a failure.
:goodposting: If by now you don't give a bleep if Rick or Carl live, and find yourself :yawn: when the story revolves around them, then it is probably time to move on to another show.
Yeah that's the one that really baffles me. I'm not saying you have to like all the characters but if you hate the lead character on a show in its fourth season? I think it's probably time to find something else to do with your Sunday nights.

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..

People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.
:mellow: I don't think you understand what "The Walking Dead" really means. :mellow:
I guess I don't. I've never read the comics or really dug deep into the show. I watch the show that is it.

 
For reference... Social-search engine Topsy's sentiment score currently assigns a "sentiment rating" of 25 out of 100 for "#walkingdead" over the past 9 hours.

That is a pretty crappy score.

Anyways.... enjoy guys. Those of you who still enjoy it, god bless ya :lol:

 
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Love the guys claiming "boring/lazy episode" = "Character development' shtick. That would be fine except these characters have about as much depth as a pizza pan.

Not to mention, one can only suspend disbelief so far with regards to everyone's ongoing stupidity. When people are ACTIVELY rooting for the main characters to die because they're tired of watching them hamfist their way through episode after episode, you're doing something wrong.
This is what happens when you diverge from the source material completely. Making Carl and Andrea completely unbearable, letting Rick keep his arm, killing Andrea...

They essentially destroyed Rick's character from the outside.

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..

People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
How can anyone forget?

It gets brought up every time there's a slow episode.

 
I really disliked what they did with Andrea's character last season. Not a comics reader; just thought it was really poor character development. By the time she bit it in the season finale it felt more like a mercy killing.

 
One thing that puzzled me about last night:

Michonne sees tracks in the mud leading down the road that Rick and Carl went. I'd imagine she would be able to tell a walker track vs a human track even with Rick's limp. At that point she still has the two walker pets. She deliberately does not follow the tracks and goes across the road, where she starts walking with the herd after her dream. Then she flips out and kills all the zombies. Next thing we see is her at the biker diner, and then she finds Rick and Carl at the end of the episode.

So did she know the tracks belonged to Rick and Carl? They were clearly cowboy boot tracks.

 
One thing that puzzled me about last night:

Michonne sees tracks in the mud leading down the road that Rick and Carl went. I'd imagine she would be able to tell a walker track vs a human track even with Rick's limp. At that point she still has the two walker pets. She deliberately does not follow the tracks and goes across the road, where she starts walking with the herd after her dream. Then she flips out and kills all the zombies. Next thing we see is her at the biker diner, and then she finds Rick and Carl at the end of the episode.

So did she know the tracks belonged to Rick and Carl? They were clearly cowboy boot tracks.
Not sure if she knew but I'm guessing she probably did. At that point, though, she had pretty much shut down and wasn't going to re-connect with anyone. But once she saw "Bizarro Michonne" in the woods she chose to survive. She killed all the walkers and went back to find the tracks.

 
I find it hard to believe that Rick's group wouldn't have had a place to meet in case the prison was attacked or overrun by zombies and they had to vacate quickly. I am sure they'll eventually meet but it seems pretty basic, especially after they had to do the same earlier.
And they (Rick and Carl) just happened to run into a store relatively close the prison that had supplies. How did they not know about this place earlier??
I had that question too. Or how come another group hasn't gutted it yet? like the Woodbury folks?

 
I'd like to see them deal with an ice storm.. why is the weather always nice?
Its Georgia. It rarely ever snows.
They should do an ice storm episode like what happened in Atlanta a couple weeks ago where the whole city was shut down. That would be funny to watch a bunch of zombies trying to stand on ice. Let alone Carl with one shoe.
They film on location from May through November, so now I guess all they need to do is push the schedule out a couple months and hope for another "once every ten years" type of weather event.

 
I knew they wouldn't, but I was really hoping they'd killed Rick. And I was rooting for Carl in the beginning of the episode. Then he kept being just as incompetent as his dad. By the end of the episode I'd gone back to hoping they'd both just die.

 
shadyridr said:
Lmao who was insulting you? I said its not a surprise that the #1 fanboy of the show enjoyed the episode. Im shocked anyone ELSE actually enjoyed that episode. I love this series but that episode sucked. No big deal. Plenty of other episodes for me to enjoy.
I don't know...I thought it was a good half of the " roll up the stick" storyline. We'll get the second half (what happens to everyone else) next week. What're people looking for?....these episodes are the resolution to the big shoot out.....it's not like they'd jump into nonstop action right after that.

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shadyridr said:
Lmao who was insulting you? I said its not a surprise that the #1 fanboy of the show enjoyed the episode. Im shocked anyone ELSE actually enjoyed that episode. I love this series but that episode sucked. No big deal. Plenty of other episodes for me to enjoy.
I don't know...I thought it was a good half of the " roll up the stick" storyline. We'll get the second half (what happens to everyone else) next week. What're people looking for?....these episodes are the resolution to the big shoot out.....it's not like they'd jump into nonstop action right after that.

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Agreed.

 
As far as Rick goes.....I'm not even sure its the intention of the show (or the comic) for people to be 100% behind and like Rick. I think he's supposed to be a fallible guy who might or might not be making the right decisions. I think they hinted on that last night with the Shane comment. To that, I think the actor playing him has done a great job.

 
I have two thoughts to add.

First, I thought they missed a golden opportunity to develop change Rick for the better. When his son mouths off to him and says " Shane, you remember him don't you?" Carl went all sheepish and in my opinion reacted unbelievably as a father would.

I was expecting a " Yeah how could I forget him trying to kill me." " What is your problem punk" Or some other verbal smack down when your kid talks #### to you.

Rick standing up for himself would have added to the believability of the father son fight, instead it came off to me as whiny Carl and fake wussy Rick.

Second, the writing is sometimes brilliant and sometimes terrible and very inconsistent. One scene encapsulated it for me. Carl is walking up to the house and pulls out the solar yard light, I thought to myself wow that it pretty smart you would have a light in the house and a weapon (a crappy one but still). Then Carl proceeds to ram, hurt himself and then break the front door rendering the lock useless so you would have to tie it shut if you decided to stay in the house later, all while a pane of glass is right next to the door . Break glass in case of zombie apocalypse go in.

You get a lot of really smart mixed in with back to back stupid in this show.

 
I have two thoughts to add.

First, I thought they missed a golden opportunity to develop change Rick for the better. When his son mouths off to him and says " Shane, you remember him don't you?" Carl went all sheepish and in my opinion reacted unbelievably as a father would.

I was expecting a " Yeah how could I forget him trying to kill me." " What is your problem punk" Or some other verbal smack down when your kid talks #### to you.

Rick standing up for himself would have added to the believability of the father son fight, instead it came off to me as whiny Carl and fake wussy Rick.

Second, the writing is sometimes brilliant and sometimes terrible and very inconsistent. One scene encapsulated it for me. Carl is walking up to the house and pulls out the solar yard light, I thought to myself wow that it pretty smart you would have a light in the house and a weapon (a crappy one but still). Then Carl proceeds to ram, hurt himself and then break the front door rendering the lock useless so you would have to tie it shut if you decided to stay in the house later, all while a pane of glass is right next to the door . Break glass in case of zombie apocalypse go in.

You get a lot of really smart mixed in with back to back stupid in this show.
My thought was that it was showing that he's able to think when things are calm, but when faced with a deadly situation, he's not as smart as he thinks he is. There is still a child's brain in him.

 
Last night's episode reminded me of the last half of season eight of Dexter. All I could think to myself while watching was, "Is this going to be over soon? It's got to be over soon, right? Hasn't it been more than an hour already? When's it going to end?"

 
:lmao: at the character development excuse. Seasons 1 & 2 were all about character development and awesome. Season 3 was bogged down by duh Guvna and flip flopping Andrea but still was good because of the action but fizzled out in the last episode. Season 4 has been the suck so far except for the last episode of the first half which was amazing. They havent had much character development at all in season 4 so I dont mind an entire episode revolved around Michonne & Carl's character development. The problem was Carl couldnt pull it off and 45 minutes of just Carl was boring. Even if the next few episodes are all character development that doesnt mean they will bad.

And also, I cant believe someone has watched 4 seasons and cant wait until Rick dies. Whats the point of watching if you want the main character to die?

 
I wanted Carl to die as bad as anyone during the first two seasons because he was dragging the show down being a little clueless kid. Now that he's a main character, I definitely don't want him dead...yet. Killing off him and Rick would be devastating this show and just a dumb move. I can't imagine wanting to see both of them dead. I thought the part with Rick waking up was pretty good, even though I knew he wasn't a zombie. :shrug:

 
I liked last night's episode. I understood it as setting up a sort of "passing of the torch".

Rick's taken the brunt of attacks and clearing out zombies over the course of the show (a few years in their world?) And now, he's weakened from it and the realization is that he's not going to always be around, or at least not strong enough to lead.

Carl, on the other hand, was shown to be not quite ready to lead. So, you've got the old leader, who is too weak to continue to lead, and the young leader who is not quite ready. Where do they go from here (meaning the characters, not the writers).

Continuing with the same thought, when Rick said "It's for you," it never crossed my mind that it was a comical moment. I immediately thought that it was him telling Carl that Carl is now the one that takes the lead, answers the doors, or whatever metaphor you want to use.

 
Thought the episode was fine. Can't believe some of the nit picking still going on regarding the show. I swear alot of the posters in here must be women or teenagers.

 
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.

 
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I think it would be great for the show if they completely wrapped up all these characters in the next season or so and move onto new story lines. That's the great thing about this genre you can take it anywhere to any group of people.

Honestly the one best parts of this episode to me was when for a second I thought Rick was dead.
Wtf
 
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
Shane was a great character and the Rick-Shane dynamic is one of the reasons why Season 2 is my favorite thus far. But as great as Shane was, he had to go. The entire point of that storyline (and his character) was that he and Rick could not co-exist. So one of them had to go. Considering Rick is and always has been the lead character it shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone to see Shane be the one to exit.

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Same here. He was a little over the top crazy but something I could see as a possibility in that society. Great actor. I loved his character. My wife hated him. I liked hating that whore of a wife, Lori, too.
 
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
Shane was a great character and the Rick-Shane dynamic is one of the reasons why Season 2 is my favorite thus far. But as great as Shane was, he had to go. The entire point of that storyline (and his character) was that he and Rick could not co-exist. So one of them had to go. Considering Rick is and always has been the lead character it shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone to see Shane be the one to exit.
I get it and wasn't surprised at how it went down but the show hasn't been able to replace that type of struggle. The governor was a predictable villan who I was more annoyed with than disliked when he was on. It's telling when the best episode of the 3rd season had nothing to do with him.
 
Everyone is to nice and deferential to Rick. Hershel was his biggest supporter, propping his leadership up among the group. Carl is a paper tiger, so they need someone else to emerge as the darker side of leadership in this world. Not sure who though.

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Same here. He was a little over the top crazy but something I could see as a possibility in that society. Great actor. I loved his character. My wife hated him. I liked hating that whore of a wife, Lori, too.
I wonder if the love for Shane would be as much if Lori wasn't the biggest biotch in the world. I also think it made Rick look worse because he stayed with her. I couldn't stand her either and I liked Shane's character, but I wasn't mad to see him go. It seemed like a good time and it started the herd and the farmaggedon.

 
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
Shane was a great character and the Rick-Shane dynamic is one of the reasons why Season 2 is my favorite thus far. But as great as Shane was, he had to go. The entire point of that storyline (and his character) was that he and Rick could not co-exist. So one of them had to go. Considering Rick is and always has been the lead character it shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone to see Shane be the one to exit.
I get it and wasn't surprised at how it went down but the show hasn't been able to replace that type of struggle. The governor was a predictable villan who I was more annoyed with than disliked when he was on. It's telling when the best episode of the 3rd season had nothing to do with him.
The thing is I don't think they should attempt to recreate the type of internal conflict. If they do, it'll just be a Shane rip-off. So they've done the internal conflict with Shane and the external one with the Governor. We'll see where they go next because I think it's safe to say they're not done beating up on Rick.

 
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
I can agree with that.

Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.

Rick's "reluctant hopeless leader / grrrr I'm the boss / reluctant hopless leader / etc " act was interesting for the first couple seasons but it's grown repetitive stale as hell. The death of the more interesting characters has exposed his extremely thin character as exactly that.

I last night I finally realized that I stopped caring about any of these characters a long time ago.

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Same here. He was a little over the top crazy but something I could see as a possibility in that society. Great actor. I loved his character. My wife hated him. I liked hating that whore of a wife, Lori, too.
I wonder if the love for Shane would be as much if Lori wasn't the biggest biotch in the world. I also think it made Rick look worse because he stayed with her. I couldn't stand her either and I liked Shane's character, but I wasn't mad to see him go. It seemed like a good time and it started the herd and the farmaggedon.
Season 2 was great in my opinion for a number of reasons but bringing everything to the head with Rick and Shane was one of the biggest strengths of the season. I think one of the reasons why it worked so well was because it had to end. And it had to end the way it did.

As far as Shane, I liked him a lot and it had nothing to do with Lori. But I always felt - and Kirkman and Co. continue to dispute this but I don't believe them - that she was intentionally supposed to be an unlikable character. So when I disliked her I think it was because the writers wanted us to dislike her, or at least many aspects of her character. Since I tend to like flawed and imperfect characters I didn't have a problem with that, especially since it really added to the Rick-Shane conflict.

 
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I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
and on the other hand I for one was Glad they killed him off when they did.. His "shtick" had grown old. :shrug:

Looking back, most characters that been taken out had worn thin and, IMO, needed to go.. Lori, Shane, Andrea, Dale, the Guv...

Herschel was a little disappointing, but needed for his girls to grow up..

The only one I can think off that was taken out that I felt should have stayed is Merle.

 
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I had no problem with Merle getting killed. Not sure how much longer he could've stayed within the group. The only thing I regret about Merle getting killed is the writers haven't done enough to show how that's impacted Daryl, although maybe that's forthcoming.

 
As big of a fan as I am.. I do have one, IMO, Huge nitpick with the writers that I hope they iron out before the end of the season..

How the F can a group of people out on a supply hunt, hear a radio transmission about "safety", and not one of them mention it to Rick, or anyone else for that matter.. :confused:

I get that there wasn't a ton of time between returning from the run and the Guv's attack, but even in passing you'd think someone would have told Rick.. "Hey, BTW, while we were looking for supplies we heard a radio transmission".

 
How the F can a group of people out on a supply hunt, hear a radio transmission about "safety", and not one of them mention it to Rick, or anyone else for that matter.. :confused:

I get that there wasn't a ton of time between returning from the run and the Guv's attack, but even in passing you'd think someone would have told Rick.. "Hey, BTW, while we were looking for supplies we heard a radio transmission".
I don't think they've had any real time to do that. Rick's only conversation with Daryl since then was about Carol and Daryl wasn't real thrilled about that so I'm not surprised he didn't say anything. Immediately after that, the Governor showed up. Even though it's been a few episodes for us as viewers the amount of time that's passed in those episodes hasn't been very long. One thing about this show is they haven't to this point introduced a major type of plot point and left it hanging so I feel confident we'll get back to the transmission at some point.

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
and on the other hand I for one was Glad they killed him off when they did.. His "shtick" had grown old. :shrug: Looking back, most characters that been taken out had worn thin and, IMO, needed to go.. Lori, Shane, Andrea, Dale, the Guv...

Herschel was a little disappointing, but needed for his girls to grow up..

The only one I can think off that was taken out that I felt should have stayed is Merle.
Dale should have been killed in the first episode he appeared in.
 

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