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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I was expecting Carl to loot that kids room for some normal gear that kids that age would be wearing. At least he could find a replacement pair of shoes.

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I was expecting Carl to loot that kids room for some normal gear that kids that age would be wearing. At least he could find a replacement pair of shoes.
They're still in the house. Maybe he will stock up on books, comics, and porn.

 
This episode was like going to a much anticipated concert and the band play's a song no one likes as the opener. This is the best they could come up with for an opener. Mid-season, sure, that's fine. They all can't be homeruns. But for an opener. You've got to come out strong. Get the crowd fired up. That episode put me to sleep. I nearly turned it off a few times.

 
Wow, FBG must have some great writing talent on these boards. So much critism that I'm beginning to think that you guys missed your calling in life. It's as if AMC hired the wrong people to write their show. How much better would this show be with real, professional writers that FBG is hiding. Come on, let's see what you got.

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.
Haven't read the intervening pages, so maybe someone already pointed this out - but the title "The Walking Dead" does not refer to the walkers, never has. It refers to the survivors. Maybe that helps put this in context?
ive heard this before but isnt that kind of silly? Arent we all technically walking dead?
It is specific to their world, and it comes directly from dialog in the comics. It was a speech by Rick after he was "ousted" as leader and the committee put in place (at the prison), after he killed one of the (non-zombie) prisoners (Dexter) during a zombie attack. Issue 24 if you are interested in the context (19 is where Rick killed Dexter). Here is some of the dialog (this material has been covered in both the show and the comics at this point, so not going to put it in spoiler tags.)

Here is the frame from the comic: http://imageshack.us/a/img834/2264/jl61.jpg

Tyreese:

We are Rick. That's what you don't understand. We are trying to reestablish life--as it WAS. That's our goal.

We don't want to be savages, that's what you don't get.

Rick:

It's obvious that I'm the only sane one here! We already are savages, Tyreese.

You especially!

The second we put a bullet in the head of one of these undead monsters--the moment one of us drive a hammer into one of their faces--or cut a head off.

We became what we are!

And that's just it. That's what this comes down to. You people don't know what we are.

We're surrounded by the dead.

We're among them--and when we finally give up we become them. We're living on borrowed time. Here every minute of our life is a minute we steal from them!

You see them out there, you know that when we die--we become them. You think we hide behind walls to protect use from THE WALKING DEAD!

Don't you get it?

We ARE THE WALKING DEAD!

We are the walking dead.
 
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What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I was expecting Carl to loot that kids room for some normal gear that kids that age would be wearing. At least he could find a replacement pair of shoes.
They're still in the house. Maybe he will stock up on books, comics, and porn.
You know, the advent of the internet and the downfall of nudie mags means porn is a rather rare commodity in the zombie apocalypse.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.
Haven't read the intervening pages, so maybe someone already pointed this out - but the title "The Walking Dead" does not refer to the walkers, never has. It refers to the survivors. Maybe that helps put this in context?
ive heard this before but isnt that kind of silly? Arent we all technically walking dead?
It is specific to their world, and it comes directly from dialog in the comics. It was a speech by Rick after he was "ousted" as leader and the committee put in place (at the prison), after he killed one of the (non-zombie) prisoners (Dexter) during a zombie attack. Issue 24 if you are interested in the context (19 is where Rick killed Dexter). Here is some of the dialog (this material has been covered in both the show and the comics at this point, so not going to put it in spoiler tags.)

Here is the frame from the comic: http://imageshack.us/a/img834/2264/jl61.jpg

Tyreese:

We are Rick. That's what you don't understand. We are trying to reestablish life--as it WAS. That's our goal.

We don't want to be savages, that's what you don't get.

Rick:

It's obvious that I'm the only sane one here! We already are savages, Tyreese.

You especially!

The second we put a bullet in the head of one of these undead monsters--the moment one of us drive a hammer into one of their faces--or cut a head off.

We became what we are!

And that's just it. That's what this comes down to. You people don't know what we are.

We're surrounded by the dead.

We're among them--and when we finally give up we become them. We're living on borrowed time. Here every minute of our life is a minute we steal from them!

You see them out there, you know that when we die--we become them. You think we hide behind walls to protect use from THE WALKING DEAD!

Don't you get it?

We ARE THE WALKING DEAD!

We are the walking dead.
:goodposting:

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
I think it is a stretch. They've shown zombies that are barely more than a torso going after people. They only thing they know is to attack living meat. They don't all of a sudden get bummed out when the lose their arms and jaw.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
It could be as simple as just a brain/mouth dynamic. Without the mouth the phenomenon no longer has a reason to motivate the corpse to attack so it enters that lethargic/docile mode quickly. As long as the zombie has a mouth it will try to feed the brain (as we have seen with the completely severed heads still trying to bite). It also seems like Michonne's "pets" aren't following her so much as just being prodded in a general straight direction by her tugging on their leashes. Most of the lethargic zombies we've seen were that way because they had no stimulus to motivate them for a very extended period. I dunno. I'd like to see it all explored more in the show or the comic.

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Shane and Lori to me were contrived and boring. In a show supposedly about zombies we have this huge distraction of my best friend ####ed my wife and knocked her up after he left me for dead. Just complete waste of screen time and forced emotional manipulation. The show was unwatchable with Shane and Lori.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
You know how they have water wheels? What if someone cut off some arms and jaws and strapped these guys up to a big wheel, then put some rats in cages to get them to move forward. You could have zombie powered electricity!

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
You know how they have water wheels? What if someone cut off some arms and jaws and strapped these guys up to a big wheel, then put some rats in cages to get them to move forward. You could have zombie powered electricity!
I am waiting for the episode where they come across the farmer using zombies to pull his plow across the field or some other inventive solutions for how to abuse and control them. I mean it has to be better then a shaved ape and with so few options out there...zombie brothel!!

 
Nitpicking the laws of the Walking Dead universe seems silly. Zombies exist. There's some kind of mechanism that creates them and apparently cutting off their arms and jaw makes them docile. That's just part of the rules of their universe. Nitpicking because they don't obey the laws they put in place (walkers running and climbing chain link fences) or people making ridiculously bad decisions is fine.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
I guess it is a criticism - but it's a very minor one. And I think it is a stretch to think that removing the arms and jaw make them docile - since there are heads laying around that would eat you if they could. Maybe Rick and crew should just remove all the zombie arms and jaws and then they can live together happily ever after. Heck he could have keep his wife around for some zombie loving (sans arms and jawbone) - and the added bonus that she can't talk.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
I can't recall exactly, but I thought someone explained that the zombies get weak or docile when they don't eat, or something. Like the female zombie that was cut in half, the one Rick put out of her misery. She was so weak, presumably, because she couldn't catch anything. Maybe cutting off their jaw prevents them from eating thus making them docile?

But if that is the case, it sure didn't take long for those two new pets to become weak like her old ones, so... ?

 
Nitpicking the laws of the Walking Dead universe seems silly. Zombies exist. There's some kind of mechanism that creates them and apparently cutting off their arms and jaw makes them docile. That's just part of the rules of their universe. Nitpicking because they don't obey the laws they put in place (walkers running and climbing chain link fences) or people making ridiculously bad decisions is fine.
I don't mind them setting their own rules as long as they stay consistent with them.

 
Jules Winnfield said:
Why couldn't we see the Governor as a walker OR the walkers eating the Governor's body?
That is what I wanted too. Really thought Michonne was going to wait for him to turn then either use him as a pet or slice him up into little pieces and feed him to the others. The actress who played Michonne explained that it wasn't about revenge on the governor anymore. She just knew he had to be destroyed.

Problem with that is when someone asked her why she picked those two guys to make pets, she said they were the Gov's people so it was a little dig at the gov. She should have made a personal dig at the gov by doing one of those you suggested.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
I can't recall exactly, but I thought someone explained that the zombies get weak or docile when they don't eat, or something. Like the female zombie that was cut in half, the one Rick put out of her misery. She was so weak, presumably, because she couldn't catch anything. Maybe cutting off their jaw prevents them from eating thus making them docile?

But if that is the case, it sure didn't take long for those two new pets to become weak like her old ones, so... ?
I was just coming in to post something similar. It was the scientist at Woodbury. He was explaining it to the Governor shortky after Michonne had arrived.

I can't remember the exact wording, but you're on the right track. It was along the lines of the zombies bexoming docile when their ability to feed was taken away.

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
Out of all the criticisms, this make very little sense to me. Zombies have one purpose, to feed on living things. So, is it really a stretch to think that removing the arms and teeth/jaw could in fact change the physiology of a zombie? I mean, it is a virus (can't recall if the CDC guy confirmed that was what it was) that somehow kick starts a dead human, so is it really a stretch that if it is controlling the brain that bodily changes like that would have an affect like making zombies docile? Since it was already covered before, I am pretty willing to believe that if I already believe the whole story line behind people becoming zombies.
I think it is a stretch. They've shown zombies that are barely more than a torso going after people. They only thing they know is to attack living meat. They don't all of a sudden get bummed out when the lose their arms and jaw.
OK but Milton said they DO become more docile when they lose their jaw

 
The Governor and Milton study the still-living heads from Michonne's pet walkers. Milton remarks that Michonne removed their arms and jaws, saying, "Take away their ability to eat, they lose interest in doing so." He explains that the mutilated walkers acted as a repellent.
 
[icon] said:
flapgreen said:
I agree with whomever said a few pages back that the show really needs a character like Shane. That's why it's a shame they wrote Carol out (at least for the time being, hopefully since she's not actually dead she'll be back) as she was starting to fill that role.

Would have worked with Martinez too. Could have had him join the group at the end of season 3. He was already kind of half-buddies with Daryl.

There just aren't that many likable characters. It's pretty much just Daryl (and Maggie for the eye candy). Tyrese I think was supposed to help fill in that gap but he's been a huge bust.
Definitely needs a Shane. The constant tension he brought to the show is missed. I never realized how important he was to the show until he was gone. The Guv couldn't hold Shane's jock.
I can agree with that.

Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.

Rick's "reluctant hopeless leader / grrrr I'm the boss / reluctant hopless leader / etc " act was interesting for the first couple seasons but it's grown repetitive stale as hell. The death of the more interesting characters has exposed his extremely thin character as exactly that.

I last night I finally realized that I stopped caring about any of these characters a long time ago.
I can agree with this. I felt the same way about Jesse from BB. Just the same thing over and over, season to season.

 
BTW.. what's all this talk about Zombies :confused:

In "The Walking Dead" universe, the inhabitants have never heard of that word before... so you all are just going to confuse them if they stop by to read this. ;)

 
Knew it wasn't going to happen, but was thinking about Michonne collapsing on the ground from exhaustion after taking out that zombie horde and then being bitten by one of the heads of the zombies she decapitated.

Also got a chuckle about the color of her kids skin (as others did five pages back).

 
Note to self: apparently cutting off a zombies arms and lower jaw makes them incredibly peaceful.
You know how they have water wheels? What if someone cut off some arms and jaws and strapped these guys up to a big wheel, then put some rats in cages to get them to move forward. You could have zombie powered electricity!
I am waiting for the episode where they come across the farmer using zombies to pull his plow across the field or some other inventive solutions for how to abuse and control them. I mean it has to be better then a shaved ape and with so few options out there...zombie brothel!!
zombie pet farm would be a spectacular thing

we really *should* call that one in to the writers :)

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Shane and Lori to me were contrived and boring. In a show supposedly about zombies we have this huge distraction of my best friend ####ed my wife and knocked her up after he left me for dead. Just complete waste of screen time and forced emotional manipulation. The show was unwatchable with Shane and Lori.
I think Lori's one redeeming shot to be a truly memorable character - instead of the Skyler White of this show - would've been to go full Lady Macbeth on Rick and clearly begin to manipulate him instead of being so passive-aggressive. It wouldn't have made anyone like her more probably but at least she would've dove completely into the deep end instead of just dipping her toes in to see if the water was warm or not.

 
I don't usually watch Talking Dead ( :deadhorse: ) but I did catch the host feeding chocolate pudding to Hershel's animatronic head, which was kind of amusing.

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....
My 11 year old son tripped and fell down the stairs the other day. Carl is gifted.
 
Carl is a moron who can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. The first 10 times he artificially created "tension" through his childish stupidity was at least interesting... the last 70 times it's happened have been a bore. They're beating a dead horse with that trick.
He's a 14 year old kid who grew up with zombies and thinks he's lost everyone he cares about - it makes sense that he'd do what he's done.

Now his acting, especially in the scene talking to his dad... :penalty:

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....
My 11 year old son tripped and fell down the stairs the other day. Carl is gifted.
:lmao:

 
I didnt realize how important Shane was to the show until I watched it a second time through. Constant tension is a GREAT description of what he bought to the show. You could cut the tension he had with every character with a knife and it blanketed every scene he was in.
Shane and Lori to me were contrived and boring. In a show supposedly about zombies we have this huge distraction of my best friend ####ed my wife and knocked her up after he left me for dead. Just complete waste of screen time and forced emotional manipulation. The show was unwatchable with Shane and Lori.
Are you watching the same show as I am?

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Nathan R. Jessep said:
also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding
:lmao: :lmao:

God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.
If you don't have to be around teenage boys, consider yourself lucky.

 
[icon] said:
I used to love the show. This is a discussion forum aka timewaster while at work. I enjoy talking with others who think the show is flopping about our perceptions of it's flaws.

Its an interesting topic of "good show gone bad".... a "jump the shark" type moment that many great shows experience before the decline. Dexter experienced it. Breaking Bad did not. Sons of Anarchy did. Many people now feel Walking Dead has done this too. It's a viable discussion topic.

It's strange that some of you take personal offense to the fact that some of us think the show has taken a turn for the worse. :unsure:
I don't think it's possible for a show as bad from the beginning (c'mon, let's be honest) as The Walking Dead to actually 'jump the shark'. It's is what it is and will probably stay this way until the day it ends.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Nathan R. Jessep said:
also in the next episode: One-Shoe searches for medicine to relieve the gastric distress he is experiencing after eating a metric yard of canned chocolate pudding
:lmao: :lmao:

God####it. That just struck me, because it happens to me everytime I get pudding at lunch.
Yeah and the whole time I was thinking what a selfish #####, he has a gallon of pudding and can't even let his dying dad lick the spoon.
If you don't have to be around teenage boys, consider yourself lucky.
he probably didn't even check the expiration date on the pudding

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....
My 11 year old son tripped and fell down the stairs the other day. Carl is gifted.
Are you the dad on Modern Family?

 
This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.
:shrug: This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..

People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.
What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.
The title refers to the characters. It's a soap opera with zombies in it, accept it.

 
I don't see anyone taking personal offense at those who don't like the show. I think most/many/all of us who enjoy the show are simply baffled by those who continue to watch a show they don't like or believe now stinks. That just doesn't seem to make much sense.

 
What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.
I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....
My 11 year old son tripped and fell down the stairs the other day. Carl is gifted.
Are you the dad on Modern Family?
Not that I'm aware of. I've never seen it though, so I can't say definitively.

 

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