***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

Sophia coming out of that barn was about as good a moment as you can get from any TV show.

Yup. Especially when you consider everything that led up to that moment. That episode was loaded with big moments but Sophia walking out of the barn was damn near perfect TV in my opinion.

Still one of my favorite TV moments ever.

Pretty awesome

 

[Rustoleum]

Any other episode Carol revealing that she killed Karen and David would have been the big moment but it almost came and went without much notice. I think Tyreese was/is just numb and enough time has passed since it happened that he has come to grips with it. I think his reaction was a bit under-played though.

I think the whole transformation of Carol is one of the best story lines by far. I wanted to slap her myself in the early shows for being so weak. I almost couldn't stand her. Has anyone else come close to such a change in either direction?

Timing was everything with Carol's reveal. If she would have told him prior to finding Lizzy (like it appeared she was about to), I think Tyrese's response would have been a lot different.

If Tyreese had just looked at the gun, then planted that framing hammer between Carol's eyes....

 

[flapgreen]

That was one of the darkest moments I can remember seeing on a TV show I enjoyed, which are few and far between. The show has been fairly predictable at times but that episode was shocking and got a little emotional. I was a little upset by the end. Very compelling stuff that I could see happening in a world like that. Good TV.

 

[Bonzai]

Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.

Huh?

She's ruthless, even by the standards of the survivors. Cutty was willing to forgive her for murdering his girlfriend, but it's easy to imagine a scenario where others aren't so forgiving at some point.

I also agree that she's borderline-psychotic. She's a softer but more unilateral version of Shane.

To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.

People high in psychopathy make good utilitarians.

Theres a difference in being able to see that killing a child might be beneficial for the group and actually carrying the act out.

 

[Billy Bats]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

 

[El Floppo]

I thought it was played about right for Tyrese We had a very tense few moments watching him go through the range of emotions indicating the internal struggle, but it seemed to me he had already been broken- first by the murder of the sister, and then by tacitly (or did he verbally approve?) condoning or sanctioning the execution of Lizzie. I think he had come to respect and even love that Carol had shown so many admirable qualities along the way, and as you guys said, was making some tough choices to do what she thought was right for everybody else. He seemed genuinely happy to spend his days there in that farm with her and the kids (pre-loco).

They certainly could've stretched that scene and his reaction out a bit... but I don't mind that they didn't. And I'm sure we haven't seen the last of his coming to grips with it...

I kind of agree with Officer Pete about Carol telling him. Watching live, I was thinking- WTF- what a selfish and stupid thing to do that offers no benefit to anybody. Thinking about a little more, I think Carol was also broken by both sets of murders... really broken. This wasn't her way of fixing anything or making their relationship better- it was her way of dying for her sins.

 

[El Floppo]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view.

I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

 

[El Floppo]

Sophia coming out of that barn was about as good a moment as you can get from any TV show.

Yup. Especially when you consider everything that led up to that moment. That episode was loaded with big moments but Sophia walking out of the barn was damn near perfect TV in my opinion.

Still one of my favorite TV moments ever.

Pretty awesome

Maybe my appreciation was diiminished by watching that season as a marathon... but I thought having Sofia come out at the very end was a bit too gimmicky as a writing device. Still awesome, but I preferred this Carol epsidoe

 

[flapgreen]

Sophia coming out of that barn was about as good a moment as you can get from any TV show.

Yup. Especially when you consider everything that led up to that moment. That episode was loaded with big moments but Sophia walking out of the barn was damn near perfect TV in my opinion.

Still one of my favorite TV moments ever.

Pretty awesome

Maybe my appreciation was diiminished by watching that season as a marathon... but I thought having Sofia come out at the very end was a bit too gimmicky as a writing device. Still awesome, but I preferred this Carol epsidoe

This episode was definitely more shocking. I knew the Sophia thing had to come to an abrupt end at some point. I didn't see this one coming at all.

 

[Timmay]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view.

I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

 

[shadyridr]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

 

[pollardsvision]

Maybe it was somehow explained, so I'm sorry if I missed it, but how did Lizzie survive that long in a zombie apocalypse thinking zombies were her buddies?

 

[(HULK)]

If they were smart, they'd all keep their hair short. Harder for zombies to grab, or to get caught on something (like a fence you're jumping/climbing).

They'd also wear leather as its near impossible to bite through.

But what do I know... I've killed over 300 zombies because I live off the land and know how to fight.

 

[(HULK)]

Maybe it was somehow explained, so I'm sorry if I missed it, but how did Lizzie survive that long in a zombie apocalypse thinking zombies were her buddies?

@ Woodbury, then @ prison. This was probably her first time out and unprotected since near the begining.

 

[bushdocda]

Any episode without Kaaaaaarrrllll and Beeeeetttthhh is a good one.

 

[Timmay]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

 

[pollardsvision]

Maybe it was somehow explained, so I'm sorry if I missed it, but how did Lizzie survive that long in a zombie apocalypse thinking zombies were her buddies?

@ Woodbury, then @ prison. This was probably her first time out and unprotected since near the begining.

Fair enough.

Any idea why she ran from the burnt zombies early in the episode?

Why wouldn't she be throwing them a tea party?

 

[El Floppo]

Maybe it was somehow explained, so I'm sorry if I missed it, but how did Lizzie survive that long in a zombie apocalypse thinking zombies were her buddies?

@ Woodbury, then @ prison. This was probably her first time out and unprotected since near the begining.

Fair enough.

Any idea why she ran from the burnt zombies early in the episode?

Why wouldn't she be throwing them a tea party?

They looked a lot less human than her buddy zombies.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Maybe it was somehow explained, so I'm sorry if I missed it, but how did Lizzie survive that long in a zombie apocalypse thinking zombies were her buddies?

@ Woodbury, then @ prison. This was probably her first time out and unprotected since near the begining.

Fair enough.Any idea why she ran from the burnt zombies early in the episode?

Why wouldn't she be throwing them a tea party?

Didn't she mention something about "stranger" zombies being the mean ones? That those who were friends before they became zombies would be friendly after they turned...which was the point of her experiment with her sister.I think she ran from the burning zombies, because they weren't friendly zombies. Although, in her warped mind, she believed that all the humans needed to do was befriend all of the zombies over time.

I think.

ETA: Which I think was also the point of her feeding the zombie on the tracks. She was trying to befriend it.

 

[El Floppo]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

I've never seen the characters take a ####, so I'm guessing the zombie-virus kills that need off of everyone too.

 

[Timmay]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

I've never seen the characters take a ####, so I'm guessing the zombie-virus kills that need off of everyone too.

I sure hope the Zombie Apocalypse never happens, I enjoy taking a dump way too much, so peaceful.

 

[shadyridr]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

Have you seen toilet paper? Do you wanna watch them wipe their asses too?

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, I think if Jack Bauer can find time to eat and #### without the audience seeing, I think Carol can cut a few locks off in her free time.

 

[Timmay]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

Have you seen toilet paper? Do you wanna watch them wipe their asses too?

You don't have to have toilet paper to take a ####. For all we know, all the characters are walking around with Mud Butt.

I wouldn't mind seeing a character here and there saying they have to take a leak or go #2. All those tense and nervous moments, people are bound to have to poop every once in a while.

 

[pollardsvision]

While I'm asking stupid questions this morning, when did the conserving ammo and avoiding gunshot noises thing stop being a thing?

Did everyone just collectively agree that wasn't a thing and move on a long time ago?

In the burnt zombie shootout, surely a pair of trained killers like Carol and Tyrese could've taken out 8 zombies with a fence separating them and a lot of lead time/space to maneuver just using their hunting knife and bad-### hammer, respectively.

 

[Todem]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

 

[Parrothead]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

Have you seen toilet paper? Do you wanna watch them wipe their asses too?

You don't have to have toilet paper to take a ####. For all we know, all the characters are walking around with Mud Butt.

I wouldn't mind seeing a character here and there saying they have to take a leak or go #2. All those tense and nervous moments, people are bound to have to poop every once in a while.

After pigs feet and moonshine, Daryll's poop will smell worse than a walker

 

[packersfan]

I think we can safely assume Carol got her hair cut when she was done mowing all the lawns with Lori.

Girls night out.

 

[kentric]

Awesome, awesome episode. I was actually enjoying it even prior to the WTF moment.

Baby definitely alive. Was confused about the baby shoes so went back and saw the baby alive after Lizzie's death.

The fire was too centralized to be a general lightning strike. First thing I thought when I saw the cooked walkers was that someone was trying to burn them and they got loose.

Carol looks really, really worn out. She sure plays her part well. At first I couldn't stand her but she sure has grown on me.

Was disappointed they had Tyreese put his hand on the gun. Standard play.

 

[falguy]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

Have you seen toilet paper? Do you wanna watch them wipe their asses too?

You don't have to have toilet paper to take a ####. For all we know, all the characters are walking around with Mud Butt.

I wouldn't mind seeing a character here and there saying they have to take a leak or go #2. All those tense and nervous moments, people are bound to have to poop every once in a while.

One of the dudes in the bar - the ones Rick took out when he sensed danger - took a leak. I don't need to see anyone drop a deuce. I wouldn't be against seeing Maggie or Alana take a shower though.

 

[pollardsvision]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

Oh, I know I'm really just screwing around.

I generally try to stay in the "just go with it" camp.

 

[(HULK)]

I think it was more than a little manipulative on Carol's part to tell Tyreese the truth when she did. If she tells him at the prison, they pass judgement and expel her. Maybe someone kills her. But they establish in this episode that they absolutely need each other. Tyreese and Judith can't make it on their own. Carol can't make it on her own. They must stay together. Once that is made clear, only then she tells him the truth. That maximized Carol's odds of getting Tyreese to forgive her.

I don't think that was the intent, that Carol was trying to be manipulative. She had just shot her surrogate daughter in the back of the head, I think the writers were just saying she was done and she wanted Tyreese to kill her.

Both are good points, but I think she's the thickest skinned of the bunch that's left. She already witnessed her own kid dying, burned two people alive for the sake of the larger group so I think burning down a murdering child psychopath was the least of her concerns. She did it for the greater good for all involved. I just think she told him to relieve herself of some guilt that she could control, if that's even possible in her world and she was ready for any consequence out down by Cutty.

Just wrote the opposite point of view. I think her repeating... "do what you have to do" (or something along those lines) wasn't her way of saying "go ahead and forgive me. It was her way of saying "I'm done- kill me". Which is what made the forgiveness that much more powerful. The look on both their faces showed that his forgiveness was as much about punishment- not giving her what she wanted and making her have to live with it- as it was about mutual safety (and also holding on to Carol's good qualities).

I agree with the "I'm done-kill me" part. I think that is exactly what Carol was trying to say.

On a side note, how is Carol's hair still that short? Carl looks like a freaking grease ball, but Carol's hair hasn't grown an inch.

do scissors not exist in a zombie apocalypse?

I've never seen them.

Have you seen toilet paper? Do you wanna watch them wipe their asses too?

You don't have to have toilet paper to take a ####. For all we know, all the characters are walking around with Mud Butt.

I wouldn't mind seeing a character here and there saying they have to take a leak or go #2. All those tense and nervous moments, people are bound to have to poop every once in a while.

One of the dudes in the bar - the ones Rick took out when he sensed danger - took a leak. I don't need to see anyone drop a deuce. I wouldn't be against seeing Maggie or Alana take a shower though.

Daryl peed in that rat house before buring it down.

 

[Timmay]

That moonshine goes right through you.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Best TV episode since jack bauer executed ryan chappelle

Funny you should mention that. My GF has never seen 24, so we've been binge watching the past couple of weeks to get her caught up before the new season kicks off. We were watching one last episode of 24 before we started watching TWD Sunday night. It was the Ryan Chappelle episode. We were both like, "That's two helluva back to back episodes we just watched."

 

[TheIronSheik]

the woman who plays Carol had some serious heavy lifting this episode. amazing acting job.

By far the best actor on the show.

Not only that, but she seems like one of, if not the smartest, cast members from all of the people I've seen on Talking Dead. Most of them make me cringe when they talk. But she was very eloquent in her answers.

 

[Disco Stu]

Any other episode Carol revealing that she killed Karen and David would have been the big moment but it almost came and went without much notice. I think Tyreese was/is just numb and enough time has passed since it happened that he has come to grips with it. I think his reaction was a bit under-played though.

I think the whole transformation of Carol is one of the best story lines by far. I wanted to slap her myself in the early shows for being so weak. I almost couldn't stand her. Has anyone else come close to such a change in either direction?

Under played, no. I think the point was he was living in the pre zombie world where there are things you don't do because Tyreese is a good guy, wouldn't attack the prison, saved the baby, tried to save his pals even when they went with the gov. Which is why Tyreese was so mad about the "wrong" of murdering Karen and the red shirt.He knew when he essentially sentenced Lizzie to death that this crazy mixed up world makes good people do bad things.

He could hardly condemn Carol for murdering Karen to save everyone after he just condoned murdering a child and then sending Carol out to do the dirty work.

He was forgiving himself by vindicating Carol.

You think finding out that someone you loved had killed someone else you loved would pass so quickly? Even in the zombie apocalypse I think he flips out a bit more, not saying he wouldn't come to the same conclusion however.

He's a ####### if he was already in love with Karen. Infatuation at best. They were in the early stages... barely even making out. That's why his dreams about her are a bit much. He should be more worried about his sister and take more of a Beth approach to dating. :cutler:

 

[packersfan]

I do think Tyreese and Sasha's seemingly lack of interest in the other's wellfare is rather odd. They kind of tried to explain it with Sasha but has Tyreese even mentioned Sasha since the prison? I don't recall him saying a single thing about her maybe being dead or alive. Very weird.

 

[E Street Brat]

Pretty cool how the one kid could kill walkers but not people, and the other would kill people but not walkers,

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I liked the undercurrent of the "home" mentality through the series and it was hit on three times on the past episode.

 

[shadyridr]

Any other episode Carol revealing that she killed Karen and David would have been the big moment but it almost came and went without much notice. I think Tyreese was/is just numb and enough time has passed since it happened that he has come to grips with it. I think his reaction was a bit under-played though.

I think the whole transformation of Carol is one of the best story lines by far. I wanted to slap her myself in the early shows for being so weak. I almost couldn't stand her. Has anyone else come close to such a change in either direction?

Under played, no. I think the point was he was living in the pre zombie world where there are things you don't do because Tyreese is a good guy, wouldn't attack the prison, saved the baby, tried to save his pals even when they went with the gov. Which is why Tyreese was so mad about the "wrong" of murdering Karen and the red shirt.He knew when he essentially sentenced Lizzie to death that this crazy mixed up world makes good people do bad things.

He could hardly condemn Carol for murdering Karen to save everyone after he just condoned murdering a child and then sending Carol out to do the dirty work.

He was forgiving himself by vindicating Carol.

You think finding out that someone you loved had killed someone else you loved would pass so quickly? Even in the zombie apocalypse I think he flips out a bit more, not saying he wouldn't come to the same conclusion however.

He's a ####### if he was already in love with Karen. Infatuation at best. They were in the early stages... barely even making out. That's why his dreams about her are a bit much. He should be more worried about his sister and take more of a Beth approach to dating. :cutler:

they were at the prison for months between season 3 and 4

 

[Copeman]

I just switched from regular cable to DirectTV. My stupid cable company did not broadcast AMC in HD, only in SD. So it was nice to finally watch this in high def.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Bob's gonna be like....

Where's lizzie at....Where's the girl Carol?

Where's lizzie...huh? Where the eff lizzie at huh???

Where's lizzie carol?? Huh?? That's all I wanna know...Where's Lizzie? ??

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I just switched from regular cable to DirectTV. My stupid cable company did not broadcast AMC in HD, only in SD. So it was nice to finally watch this in high def.

if you can find last week's Talking Dead, I highly recommend checking out Maggie's legs in HD

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

I think Todem is up to something.

 

[El Floppo]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

I think Todem is up to something.

it's like S&D without the humor.

 

[matttyl]

Are we to assume that the zombie apocalypse is not only nationwide, but world wide? We've never really left the Atlanta area, and for what's likely going on at least a year or two of time, they haven't seen a single plane, and very very few other humans. Was this answered at the end of season 1 with that scientist guy?

 

[Todem]

When watching horror suspend disbelief.

You'll enjoy it far more.

Especially when it comes to horror. If you sit and pick apart horror.......really? It's going to ask you to just gloss over reality. If you can't......horror is not a genere for you.

I think Todem is up to something.

Bwahhhhh.......ah ah ah......Bwahhhhhh......ah ah (in my very best sininster laugh voice).

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Are we to assume that the zombie apocalypse is not only nationwide, but world wide? We've never really left the Atlanta area, and for what's likely going on at least a year or two of time, they haven't seen a single plane, and very very few other humans. Was this answered at the end of season 1 with that scientist guy?

Yes, it's worldwide.

 

[cstu]

Are we to assume that the zombie apocalypse is not only nationwide, but world wide? We've never really left the Atlanta area, and for what's likely going on at least a year or two of time, they haven't seen a single plane, and very very few other humans. Was this answered at the end of season 1 with that scientist guy?

If it wasn't world-wide, the U.S. would have been nuked immediately.