SacramentoBob said:
packersfan said:
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.
Jules Winnfield said:
Parrothead said:
Rick never would shot Lizzie.. we'd have 3 episodes of him brooding, hemming and hawing, and calling to KKAAAAAAARRRLLL... Carol is the leader now..
And he would be growing Veggies and would use the bodies as fertilizer
This is the same Rick that single-handedly took out that other group at the bar and took out Sophia when everyone else was in shock. He gets his hands dirty, but it's a last resort. Carol uses it as a first resort.
The same Rick that even though he killed that violent gang, he wanted to take Randall and drive him to the middle of nowhere and leave him? This man was part of said violent group that was known for their brutality. Randall gets impaled on a fence and Rick saves him out of kindness and decency. Really? After this group and this Randall tried to kill you, you save him? And then you bring him back to the farm! Lets take him out to the middle of nowhere, after he is healed, and there is a slight chance he might lead the others from his group and track us down at this farm.
The same Rick who knowing that Merle helped Governor almost rape Maggie, tossed a zombie in the room with a tied to a chair Glenn, and tracked Michonne in the woods to kill her, allowed him to come back and live in the prison. What? He didn't want to make Darryl angry? But you Carol, you killed two people infected with the walker virus and that ain't cool and I can't have you coming back with me to the prison.
He picked a farm to live in season two. A farm during a zombie apocalypse? This was all after Carl recovered from being shot and Sophia came out of the barn as a walker. What? He fell in love with the whole Green Acres thing?
He refused to teach Carl gun training early on. "Sorry Carl but I want you to keep this whole childhood innocence thing because you are still a child. Never mind the fact that the dead are reanimating and trying to eat us. Now, go play with a ball or something" #### hits the fan and you don't think it is important for:
1) Teach your kid how to survive?
2) Teach your kid that he just grew up quicker than you would like but he has to learn to pull his weight and that involves defending the camp, farm, mom, etc...
This indirectly leads to Dale's death but that wasn't a huge loss.
It isn't that he get his hands dirty as a last resort. Rick is a #####.
Wow, he killed Shane. A man that banged his slutty wife and tried to kill him, but Rick still had to be saved by his kid.
He was getting smacked around by The Governor
He brings ALL the surviving members of Woodbury into the prison not realizing there might be some who still are loyal to The Governor. Not saying to do a background check but a few questions to some might reveal whom might pose some problems. Why earlier did you leave a hitchhiker on the side of the road?