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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Lizzie needed to die and Tyreese agreed.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
I think Carol is the sanest one of all (for this world at least)..

 
Have to say.. My daughter and I never stay around to watch talking dead..

but after last nights killing and the quick teaser of Carol and the others on the couch we stuck around for the first 5 minutes..

I know those on the panel are actresses and a wrestler (? ) but they all looked truly in shock which showed how dark/powerful of an episode it was. :thumbup:

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Lizzie needed to die and Tyreese agreed.
Yep. They made that decision the same way you would decide to put down a sick dog.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Huh?

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Huh?
She's ruthless, even by the standards of the survivors. Cutty was willing to forgive her for murdering his girlfriend, but it's easy to imagine a scenario where others aren't so forgiving at some point.

I also agree that she's borderline-psychotic. She's a softer but more unilateral version of Shane.

 
Bravo. Great episode.

Except for the maybe the billowing black smoke is a campfire part.
I thought the fire was from when Darryl and Beth burned the house down
:goodposting:
I'm hoping the fire is from some group of really deranged humans who set walkers on fire for fun and then unleash them in all directions. 4 of which came upon Carol's group.
this sounds better ....probably Daryl and his new found friends having a barbeque which we will see next week?

If this was downtown Atlanta nobody would bat an eyelash at a fire in the distance...why make such a big deal now? Im sure it was just a way to set up some really cool zombie affects and kills(this show does that all the time...remember the zombies falling thru the roof?

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
I think Carol is the sanest one of all (for this world at least)..
She has a grip on what to do in the weird situations she has been put in. She gives vibes of insanity, like telling Mika (and all the kids she was 'training'), that she has to be prepared to kill people to stay alive, but she does what is best for her and any group she is with.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
I think Carol is the sanest one of all (for this world at least)..
She has a grip on what to do in the weird situations she has been put in. She gives vibes of insanity, like telling Mika (and all the kids she was 'training'), that she has to be prepared to kill people to stay alive, but she does what is best for her and any group she is with.
She is Shane without the steroids.

My fav character right now.

 
Carol has blown past Daryl as best character in the show. If she were alone with Beth drinking moonshine she definitely would have banged her several times by now.
:lol: Probably true.
Daryl is going to ratchet it up a few notches next week I believe. His weak link got taken away in a car. We got what, 2 episodes left for the season? This week is his to shine.

Carol, Tyree on their way.

Maggie and her group on their way.

Rick, Michonne and their boat anchor on their way.

Glenn and his group on their way.

I think the top 3 groups end up in the same place and it probably won't be fun times. That should be the last episode of the season. Can't wait for Glenn's group and Daryl's new buddies to get involved. No sure who is good and who isn't at this point.

Suspicious of the 'doctor' in Glenn's group.

 
Carol has blown past Daryl as best character in the show. If she were alone with Beth drinking moonshine she definitely would have banged her several times by now.
:lol: Probably true.
Daryl is going to ratchet it up a few notches next week I believe. His weak link got taken away in a car. We got what, 2 episodes left for the season? This week is his to shine.

Carol, Tyree on their way.

Maggie and her group on their way.

Rick, Michonne and their boat anchor on their way.

Glenn and his group on their way.

I think the top 3 groups end up in the same place and it probably won't be fun times. That should be the last episode of the season. Can't wait for Glenn's group and Daryl's new buddies to get involved. No sure who is good and who isn't at this point.

Suspicious of the 'doctor' in Glenn's group.
This sounds about right and as the groups converge - that is where they create the cliffhanger moment we have to wait until the fall to resolve.

 
Carol has blown past Daryl as best character in the show. If she were alone with Beth drinking moonshine she definitely would have banged her several times by now.
:lol: Probably true.
Daryl is going to ratchet it up a few notches next week I believe. His weak link got taken away in a car. We got what, 2 episodes left for the season? This week is his to shine.

Carol, Tyree on their way.

Maggie and her group on their way.

Rick, Michonne and their boat anchor on their way.

Glenn and his group on their way.

I think the top 3 groups end up in the same place and it probably won't be fun times. That should be the last episode of the season. Can't wait for Glenn's group and Daryl's new buddies to get involved. No sure who is good and who isn't at this point.

Suspicious of the 'doctor' in Glenn's group.
This sounds about right and as the groups converge - that is where they create the cliffhanger moment we have to wait until the fall to resolve.
Cliffhanger moment > the group is safe at sanctuary and Rick hears a tennis ball bouncing and a familiar tune being whistled. :roll credits:

 
Carol has blown past Daryl as best character in the show. If she were alone with Beth drinking moonshine she definitely would have banged her several times by now.
:lol: Probably true.
Daryl is going to ratchet it up a few notches next week I believe. His weak link got taken away in a car. We got what, 2 episodes left for the season? This week is his to shine.

Carol, Tyree on their way.

Maggie and her group on their way.

Rick, Michonne and their boat anchor on their way.

Glenn and his group on their way.

I think the top 3 groups end up in the same place and it probably won't be fun times. That should be the last episode of the season. Can't wait for Glenn's group and Daryl's new buddies to get involved. No sure who is good and who isn't at this point.

Suspicious of the 'doctor' in Glenn's group.
This sounds about right and as the groups converge - that is where they create the cliffhanger moment we have to wait until the fall to resolve.
Cliffhanger moment > the group is safe at sanctuary and Rick hears a tennis ball bouncing and a familiar tune being whistled. :roll credits:
And the tune is The Rains of Castemere!

 
It seems like they need to advance or tie up a bunch of storylines in the next 2 weeks. I think it would be cheap and lazy if they finished this season with all the groups arriving at the new place at the same time

 
:lmao: at there having to be any discussion over what to do with Lizzy. Carol should have capped her right there in the yard next to her sister.
I know this is your schtick... but there were a lot of options there, which is what made the decision and the episode so good (abandon her in the house, in the woods, in a box, with a fox, wherever; take her back to her friend for a finger nibble; bring her along because.. hey- she's just a kid and doesn't know better).

Do you guys think Lizzie knew she was about to die?
Watching that I would have capped her right there, but in Carol's position I suppose it made sense for her to be in shock and wait to make a decision (even though there was only one to make).

Yes, Lizzie knew and didn't turn around when she heard Carol #### the gun.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
I think Carol is the sanest one of all (for this world at least)..
She has a grip on what to do in the weird situations she has been put in. She gives vibes of insanity, like telling Mika (and all the kids she was 'training'), that she has to be prepared to kill people to stay alive, but she does what is best for her and any group she is with.
She is Shane without the steroids.

My fav character right now.
 
Great episode. When Lizzie said "I know now what I have to do", Carol didn't see the meaning... my wife immediately said Lizzie is going to kill either the baby or her sister because she wants to prove to Carol that a dead person that they know will not be mean like the other walkers, who were strangers.
I thought it weird that after killing her sister that Lizzie would just walk away with Tyrese. It seems to me she would have been adamant about staying there until her sister came back to prove her point.

I don't know how long of a time there was but Lizzie sure didn't seem the least concerned about her sister not being re-animated when she went on the walk with Carol...

 
Same here. My fiance and I have never watched Talking Dead before. Seemed unneccesary, and probably still is, but after that episode I wanted to hear more reactions and opinions. It was interesting enough, and I usually don't have anything else to watch afterward anyway, so I might be tuning in more often now. Plus, they showed extra preview footage of future episode(s).

Have to say.. My daughter and I never stay around to watch talking dead..

but after last nights killing and the quick teaser of Carol and the others on the couch we stuck around for the first 5 minutes..

I know those on the panel are actresses and a wrestler (? ) but they all looked truly in shock which showed how dark/powerful of an episode it was. :thumbup:
 
The writers INTENDED for us to assume that the smoke is from the house Daryl burnt down. Will it ulimately be that? Probably. Because it will probably never be explained and for it to have been anything else, it would require explaination.
I'm not sure why this show gets knocked for doing that when every major plot point that's been introduced has been explained later on. Whatever failings this show may have in the eyes of some, I don't think that's a legitimate criticism at all. Hell, last night's episode answered two huge questions that had been introduced earlier in the season.

 
Great episode. When Lizzie said "I know now what I have to do", Carol didn't see the meaning... my wife immediately said Lizzie is going to kill either the baby or her sister because she wants to prove to Carol that a dead person that they know will not be mean like the other walkers, who were strangers.
I thought it weird that after killing her sister that Lizzie would just walk away with Tyrese. It seems to me she would have been adamant about staying there until her sister came back to prove her point.

I don't know how long of a time there was but Lizzie sure didn't seem the least concerned about her sister not being re-animated when she went on the walk with Carol...
I thought it was a little odd, but she's still an 11-year old (or whatever) girl and she cares about what Carol thinks. Carol seemed to be going along with the plan so she was okay with going to the house with Tyreese.

 
The writers INTENDED for us to assume that the smoke is from the house Daryl burnt down. Will it ulimately be that? Probably. Because it will probably never be explained and for it to have been anything else, it would require explaination.
I'm not sure why this show gets knocked for doing that when every major plot point that's been introduced has been explained later on. Whatever failings this show may have in the eyes of some, I don't think that's a legitimate criticism at all. Hell, last night's episode answered two huge questions that had been introduced earlier in the season.
The answer to the walker feeding was obvious from day 1.

 
Great episode. When Lizzie said "I know now what I have to do", Carol didn't see the meaning... my wife immediately said Lizzie is going to kill either the baby or her sister because she wants to prove to Carol that a dead person that they know will not be mean like the other walkers, who were strangers.
I thought it weird that after killing her sister that Lizzie would just walk away with Tyrese. It seems to me she would have been adamant about staying there until her sister came back to prove her point.

I don't know how long of a time there was but Lizzie sure didn't seem the least concerned about her sister not being re-animated when she went on the walk with Carol...
Yeah, I thought overall the episode was great, but I found what you mentioned and the following two things to just be somewhat unbelievable..

1. Lizzie has clearly shown she is nuts and does really dumb stuff (dances with zombies, feeds them, doesn't kill them, etc.) yet Carol and Tyreese just leave her alone with another child and a baby?? No ####### way.

2. That is the most well behaved baby in the history of ever. No way does she not cry. And since she's a cryer, no way do you have her outside as often as they do when zombies can hear her.

 
The writers INTENDED for us to assume that the smoke is from the house Daryl burnt down. Will it ulimately be that? Probably. Because it will probably never be explained and for it to have been anything else, it would require explaination.
I'm not sure why this show gets knocked for doing that when every major plot point that's been introduced has been explained later on. Whatever failings this show may have in the eyes of some, I don't think that's a legitimate criticism at all. Hell, last night's episode answered two huge questions that had been introduced earlier in the season.
The answer to the walker feeding was obvious from day 1.
I agree but it was still answered. I don't believe this is a show that introduces major plot points and then forgets about them.

 
Great episode. When Lizzie said "I know now what I have to do", Carol didn't see the meaning... my wife immediately said Lizzie is going to kill either the baby or her sister because she wants to prove to Carol that a dead person that they know will not be mean like the other walkers, who were strangers.
I thought it weird that after killing her sister that Lizzie would just walk away with Tyrese. It seems to me she would have been adamant about staying there until her sister came back to prove her point.

I don't know how long of a time there was but Lizzie sure didn't seem the least concerned about her sister not being re-animated when she went on the walk with Carol...
Yeah, I thought overall the episode was great, but I found what you mentioned and the following two things to just be somewhat unbelievable..

1. Lizzie has clearly shown she is nuts and does really dumb stuff (dances with zombies, feeds them, doesn't kill them, etc.) yet Carol and Tyreese just leave her alone with another child and a baby?? No ####### way.

2. That is the most well behaved baby in the history of ever. No way does she not cry. And since she's a cryer, no way do you have her outside as often as they do when zombies can hear her.
I think they thought she'd get herself into trouble, but felt that Mika would be able to protect her. Each of their strengths covers the sisters' weakness. Lizzie has no problem killing living people who put them in danger, but Mika can't. And Mika isn't afraid to kill walkers.

I noticed that Judith was silent pretty much the entire episode, but I wasn't too worried about it. They will only make her be a hassle when they are exposed somewhere, not safe in the house. No real reason to write that into the script.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Lizzie needed to die and Tyreese agreed.
Yep. They made that decision the same way you would decide to put down a sick dog.
Remember that Carol said Lizzie couldn't be around any humans.

 
Sick dogs earn more compassion than Lizzie did. She was gonna kill a baby after killing her sister. Girl was full-fledged psycho.
I'm just glad they took out the serial killer in season 4, instead of letting it drag on for 4 more seasons when she breaks into a hospital and steals her sisters dead body to dump it into the ocean.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Huh?
She's ruthless, even by the standards of the survivors. Cutty was willing to forgive her for murdering his girlfriend, but it's easy to imagine a scenario where others aren't so forgiving at some point.

I also agree that she's borderline-psychotic. She's a softer but more unilateral version of Shane.
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.

 
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Sick dogs earn more compassion than Lizzie did. She was gonna kill a baby after killing her sister. Girl was full-fledged psycho.
Lizzie.. "I was about to kill Judith so she could be a walker also before you walked up".

Tyreese .. "Umm she can't walk.. "

Lizzie Oh right.. Nevermind..

:lol:

 
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.
Rick never would shot Lizzie.. we'd have 3 episodes of him brooding, hemming and hawing, and calling to KKAAAAAAARRRLLL... Carol is the leader now..
And he would be growing Veggies and would use the bodies as fertilizer
This is the same Rick that single-handedly took out that other group at the bar and took out Sophia when everyone else was in shock. He gets his hands dirty, but it's a last resort. Carol uses it as a first resort.

 
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.
Rick never would shot Lizzie.. we'd have 3 episodes of him brooding, hemming and hawing, and calling to KKAAAAAAARRRLLL... Carol is the leader now..
And he would be growing Veggies and would use the bodies as fertilizer
This is the same Rick that single-handedly took out that other group at the bar and took out Sophia when everyone else was in shock. He gets his hands dirty, but it's a last resort. Carol uses it as a first resort.
Agreed. Rick's way may frustrate some folks but in terms of the big picture I think it ultimately proves to be the wisest course of action. Carol's just gonna fire from the hip at this point. That all may look good in the immediate view but it's the type of attitude and behavior, in my opinion, that has the potential to result in more reckless and careless consequences.

 
Interesting ending in how Carol has to judge Lizzie for her crime of murder and shoots her in the head. Then Tyreese gets to do the same to Carol and lets Carol live. I'm not entirely sold that Carol is sane but she gets to stick around. I could see her causing huge problems later on.
Tyreese has some crazy ##### on his hands
 
SacramentoBob said:
packersfan said:
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.
Jules Winnfield said:
Parrothead said:
Rick never would shot Lizzie.. we'd have 3 episodes of him brooding, hemming and hawing, and calling to KKAAAAAAARRRLLL... Carol is the leader now..
And he would be growing Veggies and would use the bodies as fertilizer
This is the same Rick that single-handedly took out that other group at the bar and took out Sophia when everyone else was in shock. He gets his hands dirty, but it's a last resort. Carol uses it as a first resort.
The same Rick that even though he killed that violent gang, he wanted to take Randall and drive him to the middle of nowhere and leave him? This man was part of said violent group that was known for their brutality. Randall gets impaled on a fence and Rick saves him out of kindness and decency. Really? After this group and this Randall tried to kill you, you save him? And then you bring him back to the farm! Lets take him out to the middle of nowhere, after he is healed, and there is a slight chance he might lead the others from his group and track us down at this farm.

The same Rick who knowing that Merle helped Governor almost rape Maggie, tossed a zombie in the room with a tied to a chair Glenn, and tracked Michonne in the woods to kill her, allowed him to come back and live in the prison. What? He didn't want to make Darryl angry? But you Carol, you killed two people infected with the walker virus and that ain't cool and I can't have you coming back with me to the prison.

He picked a farm to live in season two. A farm during a zombie apocalypse? This was all after Carl recovered from being shot and Sophia came out of the barn as a walker. What? He fell in love with the whole Green Acres thing?

He refused to teach Carl gun training early on. "Sorry Carl but I want you to keep this whole childhood innocence thing because you are still a child. Never mind the fact that the dead are reanimating and trying to eat us. Now, go play with a ball or something" #### hits the fan and you don't think it is important for:

1) Teach your kid how to survive?

2) Teach your kid that he just grew up quicker than you would like but he has to learn to pull his weight and that involves defending the camp, farm, mom, etc...

This indirectly leads to Dale's death but that wasn't a huge loss.

It isn't that he get his hands dirty as a last resort. Rick is a #####.

Wow, he killed Shane. A man that banged his slutty wife and tried to kill him, but Rick still had to be saved by his kid.

He was getting smacked around by The Governor

He brings ALL the surviving members of Woodbury into the prison not realizing there might be some who still are loyal to The Governor. Not saying to do a background check but a few questions to some might reveal whom might pose some problems. Why earlier did you leave a hitchhiker on the side of the road?

 
The Rick/Hitchhiker thing was discussed pretty much in-depth after that episode. Nothing about his behavior toward the hitchhiker was contradictory at the time and after the episode was over it was obvious his meeting with Morgan caused a shift in his philosophy. He saw what happened to Morgan when you shut yourself off from everyone literally, emotionally and psychologically. He didn't want to end up in that same spot.

 
packersfan said:
To this point at least Carol does seem to be taking the needs of the many into account with her actions whereas Shane was all about himself and what he viewed as important to himself (i.e. Lori and Carl). I think Shane's greatest flaw was he couldn't see beyond his own self-interests. Carol, to this point at least, doesn't seem to have that problem. If anything she's willing to go the extra mile if it means protecting the group she belongs with. I think her willigness to look beyond her own interests make her more like Rick than Shane. She's just more willing to get her hands dirty than Rick has often been.
Shane wasn't just about being ruthless for his own self interests, he was just willing to go to that level for his own self interests in addition to doing it to help the group, whereas Carol seems to be only about the group.

Shane killing Otis and trying to kill Rick was ruthless for Lori and Carl, IE his own self interests. Shane killing the barn walkers and wanting to kill Randall was being ruthless for the group.

 
Shane had a lot of issues that contributed to many of his decisions. I don't think he was in the wrong all the time (the barn slaughter comes to mind as being the right call in my opinion) but like Andrea told him, he had a presentation problem. However, I do think his biggest flaw was he primarily thought about himself and his own interests which essentially revolved around banging Lori and being Carl's new dad. I don't think he would've hesitated to kill everyone in the group if it meant he, Lori and Carl would survive.

 
I watched the past two episodes back to back last night. Great stuff. :thumbup:

Bob and Carol are the two best actors on this show, and it's really not even close.

 
I was ready for Shane to die. I like Carol.
I still think she tops the list of the main cast characters to die this season.
I thought there was a small chance Tyreese might just pick up that gun and pop Carol making this the hugest OMG episode since they offed Lori and T-Dog in the same episode. Would have made for an even awesomer episode, but I hope Carol sticks around for the long haul.

 

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