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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Another sign that may point to cannabilism, or at least once you are in terminus, you can never leave terminus.. are the signs to terminus. If it was a bad place (but not evil) and people decided to leave we might see other markings on those signs like "Don't go to terminus! It sucks there.. beware!" or something. But those signs are not marked on.

I wonder if any of them caught a warm smell of colitas rising up through the air on the way leading up to the gates.
Of course, we only saw one way in. Also, couldn't the fact that no one has left also mean that maybe the place is good?

 
The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.
No idea what happened
OK. That's cool.
LOL, nice.

Jayrok summed up some nice points. We don't know what Maggie's crew did to get in the container. That is what I meant. I agree with Jayrok in my previous posts that for whatever reason they were checking to see if Rick et al were with Maggie. Whether they had spies, heard something Maggie's crew said or if they just wanted to vet some folks going over the fence were there to save their friends who hadn't come back out.

 
Well, I am a little embarrassed for some posters in here. We have 295 pages of bashing the unimaginative boring ####ty writers. Then in one episode they pull off the super creative subterfuge secret test plan on one of their own guys and a big ole pile of bloody human bones is a ploy.

Who wrote that episode? Did they hire new staff?

Unless the staff comic book writers were magically replaced with Agatha Christie, Rick snuck into a cannibal camp and used his cop sense to determine it was a trap and got trapped anyway.
Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbup:

 
The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.
How often do you think they get visitors? They just got one group and a second sneaked in soon after. Is it really a stretch to think they broke into two teams with the second coming in if they didn't hear back from the first team? I think that when Maggie and friends came in, they went into high alert mode. We have no idea how they herded those guys into the rail car. Maybe they were eating and they mentioned they had friends that they were hoping they would see again.

No idea what happened, but if Maggie's crew didn't pass their test, them being on alert for their backups makes perfect sense to me. Look at all the Terminus people that died and that they didn't trust anyone anymore. They probably got screwed over and they wouldn't take a chance that Maggie's crew didn't have people that hung back just in case.
Ummmm....... Under your scenario? I would assume enough to change their eating habits.
OK, but do you really think they get multiple groups in the same day? I don't know if it was the same day, but seemed pretty close. It is sort of common sense to think a team going over the wall is with the team that already come in to check on it if no one else in a group has come by in the last month.

 
Oh in other WD news

Three actors contracts were upgraded from episodic work to cast regulars for next season.

Tara

Gareth

The hispanic chick with Abraham

 
The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.
No idea what happened
OK. That's cool.
LOL, nice.

Jayrok summed up some nice points. We don't know what Maggie's crew did to get in the container. That is what I meant. I agree with Jayrok in my previous posts that for whatever reason they were checking to see if Rick et al were with Maggie. Whether they had spies, heard something Maggie's crew said or if they just wanted to vet some folks going over the fence were there to save their friends who hadn't come back out.
To be fair, I'm not ruling out cannibals. It could be. I don't know. But I don't think anything has been shown to guarantee that it's cannibals. And I still think that the writers are trying to make people think one thing, while going a different way.

 
Another sign that may point to cannabilism, or at least once you are in terminus, you can never leave terminus.. are the signs to terminus. If it was a bad place (but not evil) and people decided to leave we might see other markings on those signs like "Don't go to terminus! It sucks there.. beware!" or something. But those signs are not marked on.

I wonder if any of them caught a warm smell of colitas rising up through the air on the way leading up to the gates.
Of course, we only saw one way in. Also, couldn't the fact that no one has left also mean that maybe the place is good?
of course!

 
You guys might be onto something here. Apparently the name of Episode 5.1 is Testing... Testing

More details:

April Fools!

You guys are nuts, that was not a test!
 
Three = every single one?

Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.

And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".

The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.
Only Mary and Gareth didn't have items and Gareth held back to give the signal, Alex and the three others each had one thing prominently displayed. What the heck would a guy be doing at lunch with riot gear on? Oh, it's Atlanta, let's put the poncho on, I'm getting cold. Hey, I was thinking about camping this weekend at Stone mountain, let's get my backpack ready here at this table. If they are just lounging there playing with these items, they sure got ready with guns in a split second.

Again, with all of that firepower, why go through this process at all? This wasn't a terrorist policy where they got invaded. It was already coordinated. The people behind the fence were on patrol?Are you trying to say that they didn't have that snare completely setup already? They were there to stop them from going further. The snipers guided them specifically to that location where they were at the fence. Also, it wasn't several minutes of gunfire. Rick's crew bolted as soon as Alex was shot and ran through the a couple alley ways and buildings. If that took more than 30-45 seconds, I would be shocked. Why did they all go right to that fence where the rail car was, why not go inside the fence since the shots were in a completely different area? I'll tell you why, it was already setup for them to be waiting there.
These are two different points. I agree that they were completely prepared. Everyone knew where they needed to be once the trap sequence began. The guys outside the fence were supposed to be outside the fence. No doubt. Whether or not that is their only job isn't that important. They were there when needed, which is really all that mattered.

Maggie was wearing the poncho when she arrived, so I wouldn't read anything into the logic of wearing something warm in Atlanta. I do admit to questioning the need for riot gear in there though. I figured it was just to provide another familiar item for the audience to notice. And they could easily justify it by assuming the guy was going straight from lunch to a run or a patrol shift.

I thought there were also a few other people milling about (sans significant items) but could be mistaken.
OK, I think they were waiting for them. Even if they weren't spying on them or heard Maggie's crew say anything, I would think based on their trust issues (see their church wall), they would have assumed that someone might be coming for Maggie's crew and someone slipping over the fence is most likely there to rescue them. If Rick's team didn't know them, why not go through the front door or send one person in to check first.

Also, I think you are mistaken, I am pretty sure there were only 3 other people milling about, so only Mary and Gareth didn't have significant items. Them being so prepared is why I don't think those significant items were random/non-intentional. As I mentioned before, I think Alex knew he was a goner if he couldn't control the situation or because he knew that getting rid of the hostage was always step 1 to start the trap.

 
The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.
No idea what happened
OK. That's cool.
LOL, nice.

Jayrok summed up some nice points. We don't know what Maggie's crew did to get in the container. That is what I meant. I agree with Jayrok in my previous posts that for whatever reason they were checking to see if Rick et al were with Maggie. Whether they had spies, heard something Maggie's crew said or if they just wanted to vet some folks going over the fence were there to save their friends who hadn't come back out.
To be fair, I'm not ruling out cannibals. It could be. I don't know. But I don't think anything has been shown to guarantee that it's cannibals. And I still think that the writers are trying to make people think one thing, while going a different way.
I'm on your side with cannibals. It was thrown in our face and could be possible, but it could easily be a red herring.

 
Also, I think you are mistaken, I am pretty sure there were only 3 other people milling about, so only Mary and Gareth didn't have significant items. Them being so prepared is why I don't think those significant items were random/non-intentional. As I mentioned before, I think Alex knew he was a goner if he couldn't control the situation or because he knew that getting rid of the hostage was always step 1 to start the trap.
Admittedly it wasn't since yesterday that I re-watched that scene (a few times) but IIRC there were 6-8 millerarounders.


 
The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.
No idea what happened
OK. That's cool.
LOL, nice.

Jayrok summed up some nice points. We don't know what Maggie's crew did to get in the container. That is what I meant. I agree with Jayrok in my previous posts that for whatever reason they were checking to see if Rick et al were with Maggie. Whether they had spies, heard something Maggie's crew said or if they just wanted to vet some folks going over the fence were there to save their friends who hadn't come back out.
To be fair, I'm not ruling out cannibals. It could be. I don't know. But I don't think anything has been shown to guarantee that it's cannibals. And I still think that the writers are trying to make people think one thing, while going a different way.
I'm on your side with cannibals. It was thrown in our face and could be possible, but it could easily be a red herring.
:hifive:

 
Are we sure that the guy taken hostage by Rick in the courtyard was killed by one of his own and not by Rick himself? I thought Rick shot him upon initial viewing. What is the rationale for his own crew shooting him in the head? I'll have to go back and watch that scene again.

 
Are we sure that the guy taken hostage by Rick in the courtyard was killed by one of his own and not by Rick himself? I thought Rick shot him upon initial viewing. What is the rationale for his own crew shooting him in the head? I'll have to go back and watch that scene again.
They're cannibals.

 
Well, I am a little embarrassed for some posters in here. We have 295 pages of bashing the unimaginative boring ####ty writers. Then in one episode they pull off the super creative subterfuge secret test plan on one of their own guys and a big ole pile of bloody human bones is a ploy.

Who wrote that episode? Did they hire new staff?

Unless the staff comic book writers were magically replaced with Agatha Christie, Rick snuck into a cannibal camp and used his cop sense to determine it was a trap and got trapped anyway.
:lol:

 
The flashback with Beth playing mommy to Judith in the garden only serves to reinforce the likelihood that Bad ### Rick Grimes is going to tap that in the near future.

 
I figured it out... Their not cannibals. They're using people as slaves... They have them roaming abandoned neighborhoods mowing lawns.

 
Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg

 
Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg
Hmmm. Lot of bones on the floor in the first pic. No surprise that was deleted. Gimple may have thought that was giving away too much info.

Perhaps they're feeding humans to the walkers and then taking what's left over for their "plate."

 
Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg
This sounds more reasonable than cannibals. This could actually make sense.

 
Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg
all Michonne has to do is grab that chain right in the middle and BOOM zombie pets

 
The flashback with Beth playing mommy to Judith in the garden only serves to reinforce the likelihood that Bad ### Rick Grimes is going to tap that in the near future.
His daughter? You're sick.
it's shane's kid anyway. doesn't count.
Damn. Forgot about that.

BTW: I still believe this show would be a lot better if Shane wasnt killed nor the governor and they rolled up on terminus with a tank. .
fixed.
 
Okay,

So the deleted scene shot indicates that terminus is keeping walkers chained up. For what purpose?

-to feed humans to? that doesn't seem to gain anything productive

-how about Terminus is cooking and eating walkers? that gives them an almost endless supply of food. Cooking them kills off any of the zombie virus.

Based on how the last episode finished, I assume that Rick & Co. ran through that room before they got caught at the end of the episode. I don't think the Terminus people put them in there

to feed the walkers

Also, we noticed no walkers at the fence. Why would there be when Terminus is herding them into a holding facility to be eaten?

This also plays into the whole snare angle of the episode. Terminus isn't just a snare for Rick & Co., it is one giant snare for walkers.

 
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Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg
Interesting. I do think they may be experimenting for a cure, or something. What if those in chains aren't walkers? Her hands don't look gnarly or her hair. Ah who knows?

 
Ok kiddoes I have a new theory.

You remember Herschel and the barn and how they were keeping loved ones alive because they were just sick?

Maybe they have all their turned loved ones in a warehouse or something and are feeding them people while they look for a cure?

I have found a couple of deleted scene pics and that is the impression I got.

You put these pics together with the used bones outside and maybe zombie chow? Or other scientific testing subjects.

This first one had Daryll on the right and Carl on the left so it appears to be cut from the running through Terminus sequence.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140331185615/walkingdead/images/1/11/The-walking-dead-bones_2.jpg

Here is a close of the bones in case you wondering, yeah human foot.

http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/the-walking-dead-deleted-bones.jpg
Interesting. I do think they may be experimenting for a cure, or something. What if those in chains aren't walkers? Her hands don't look gnarly or her hair. Ah who knows?
Rushing in to free them, as opposed to attacking them?

 
cstu said:
Joe Bryant said:
Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J
Anyone who's ever grown a vegetable garden knows how much space and work would be involved to produce enough food to feed a couple of dozen people even one meal a day. Those little planter boxes they had scattered around were cosmetic, nothing more.
Sure. Vegetable gardens and livestock have been grown like this since the beginning of time. And that's usually been the choice over cannibalism. Even on limited land. Just like they were doing at the prison. That's all I'm saying.

And like I said, I know you can't start picking apart logical decisions but the idea that they'd build a society based on luring the few humans in and then eating them seems pretty far fetched, even for a zombie show. But I'm playing along. It's their story and it has me in the fold.

J
The candle room is an indication that something very serious happened to the Terminites that caused them to become cannibals. That room combined with their behavior gave me the impression they've developed some sort of 'religion' or belief system to justify eating people.
Yes. That's another important part of this. Cannibalism maybe isn't the craziest thing in the world when it's a plane crash in the snow covered mountains thing and it's a "eat this dead person or I will die" situation.

But a "Let's shun farming or livestock or foraging and instead willingly pick as our chosen way to survive luring humans into our trap and then grilling them on the BBQ" is an entirely different situation. Much less getting an entire community to buy into that. That's the part that seems a little ridiculous. If that's what Terminus is about. If that IS what it's about, it's going to require some sort of backstory like you're saying to help it be remotely plausible. And again, I realize picking for plausibility in a zombie show is not a good idea. But they've hooked me.

J

 
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roadkill1292 said:
TheIronSheik said:
Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J
I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him. :thumbup:
It's Kobe's dad.
:hifive:

J

 

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