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stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.
He is saying Beth has not been eaten and that the shrine is not for their dinner guests. He is not saying they aren't cannibals. #doublenegativeTheIronSheik said:Found it. Oddly enough, is the next question for them:TheIronSheik said:Where did you read this stuff?(HULK) said:Interesting stuff:
The people of Terminus are totally the cannibals from the comics, right?
Robert Kirkman: Assume nothing. I will say for the record that we're not revealing that these are the cannibals or outright denying that. You should plan for a surprise when we come back for Season 5.
Scott Gimple: I don't think there's anything in Episode 16 that showed them as definitely cannibals. One could suspect, but there are no eaten parts there.
Decent pic of the pile of human bones
I think Kirkman's answer is exactly what I've been saying.You say there's no proof, and yet there's this weird candle room that could be a tribute to those they've eaten. There's another shipping container full of people who were yelling for help. They only shot at their feet in order to keep them alive, and when you arrive, there is a BBQ waiting for you that could be Beth (Emily Kinney).
Gimple: Here's an interesting exercise that we both could do and we will both fail. Having read the comic books and knowing the rhythm of the story of the comic, could we pull what we know of the comic away from our brain and would it still lead to cannibalism in this moment? There is cannibalism in a lot of zombie movies. But, especially with that room, if you're going to eat somebody, are you really going to put up a candle for them? I don't think that's what that room is about.
Kirkman: The Beth BBQ question is a big one. I've seen that a lot on Twitter. When a theory is as prevalent as that one is, it's more than likely not true. If there ever was a story line where we were going a different way and the audience seemed to be ahead of us to that point, it would be extremely unfortunate and I would certainly not feel too good about how well we're doing our jobs. Thankfully this doesn't seem to be the case.
I wondered why they didn't just use a recording. She's got a boring job sitting there saying the same thing over and over. But I guess if she remains gainfully employed, they won't put her on the menu.The woman sending out the radio message definitely sounded like she was drugged or brainwashed. Lends credence to that theory.
Maybe they're making a smoothie out Beth- so they have to drink her. That way he gets to tell the truth about them not eating her.He is saying Beth has not been eaten and that the shrine is not for their dinner guests. He is not saying they aren't cannibals. #doublenegativeTheIronSheik said:Found it. Oddly enough, is the next question for them:TheIronSheik said:Where did you read this stuff?(HULK) said:Interesting stuff:
The people of Terminus are totally the cannibals from the comics, right?
Robert Kirkman: Assume nothing. I will say for the record that we're not revealing that these are the cannibals or outright denying that. You should plan for a surprise when we come back for Season 5.
Scott Gimple: I don't think there's anything in Episode 16 that showed them as definitely cannibals. One could suspect, but there are no eaten parts there.
Decent pic of the pile of human bones
I think Kirkman's answer is exactly what I've been saying.You say there's no proof, and yet there's this weird candle room that could be a tribute to those they've eaten. There's another shipping container full of people who were yelling for help. They only shot at their feet in order to keep them alive, and when you arrive, there is a BBQ waiting for you that could be Beth (Emily Kinney).
Gimple: Here's an interesting exercise that we both could do and we will both fail. Having read the comic books and knowing the rhythm of the story of the comic, could we pull what we know of the comic away from our brain and would it still lead to cannibalism in this moment? There is cannibalism in a lot of zombie movies. But, especially with that room, if you're going to eat somebody, are you really going to put up a candle for them? I don't think that's what that room is about.
Kirkman: The Beth BBQ question is a big one. I've seen that a lot on Twitter. When a theory is as prevalent as that one is, it's more than likely not true. If there ever was a story line where we were going a different way and the audience seemed to be ahead of us to that point, it would be extremely unfortunate and I would certainly not feel too good about how well we're doing our jobs. Thankfully this doesn't seem to be the case.
I also thought it was interesting that Rick spotted Glenn/Herschel's watch just before anyone could take a bite of the meat they were offered. This way they can introduce the cannibalism idea later without having to deal with any angst Rick, Daryl, Carol and Michonne might have if they had eaten a whole plate.(HULK) said:The episode was really put together well. The items Rick recognizes are recalled in the flash backs. The rabbit snare path/trail thing correlates with the gammut Rick and Co get run through. Rick started off season 3 as a pansy and now we know why, and now he's dark and badass because some hefty redneck tried to go Deliverance on his kid, and we know why.
Good episode.
Oh, and much like the rabbit snare was to trap food, so was the one Rick and Co ran through. Terminus is eating people, its not up for debate.I really liked that episode.And yeah, they're definitely eating people. Makes sense too. Why risk going out on runs if you can have it delivered?
Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
The candle room is an indication that something very serious happened to the Terminites that caused them to become cannibals. That room combined with their behavior gave me the impression they've developed some sort of 'religion' or belief system to justify eating people.Sure. Vegetable gardens and livestock have been grown like this since the beginning of time. And that's usually been the choice over cannibalism. Even on limited land. Just like they were doing at the prison. That's all I'm saying.Anyone who's ever grown a vegetable garden knows how much space and work would be involved to produce enough food to feed a couple of dozen people even one meal a day. Those little planter boxes they had scattered around were cosmetic, nothing more.Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.
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And like I said, I know you can't start picking apart logical decisions but the idea that they'd build a society based on luring the few humans in and then eating them seems pretty far fetched, even for a zombie show. But I'm playing along. It's their story and it has me in the fold.
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You got it.that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
A: test
B: psycho-killers
how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.
Yep. No more farmer or majority vote Rick. Dale or Andrea would still be arguing about not doing anything rash or something that should be discussed beforehand.I also thought it was interesting that Rick spotted Glenn/Herschel's watch just before anyone could take a bite of the meat they were offered. This way they can introduce the cannibalism idea later without having to deal with any angst Rick, Daryl, Carol and Michonne might have if they had eaten a whole plate.(HULK) said:The episode was really put together well. The items Rick recognizes are recalled in the flash backs. The rabbit snare path/trail thing correlates with the gammut Rick and Co get run through. Rick started off season 3 as a pansy and now we know why, and now he's dark and badass because some hefty redneck tried to go Deliverance on his kid, and we know why.
Good episode.
Oh, and much like the rabbit snare was to trap food, so was the one Rick and Co ran through. Terminus is eating people, its not up for debate.I really liked that episode.And yeah, they're definitely eating people. Makes sense too. Why risk going out on runs if you can have it delivered?
I know some folks here don't like him but Bad ### Rick Grimes is awesome. I thought this episode did a great job of showing how he has basically come to terms with the animal within while still retaining some traces of humanity.
From what was said on The Talking Dead the scene on the road with Joe and Rick and everyone was lifted straight out of Kirkman's comics but Scott Gimple sure has a thing for killing children and putting them in harm's way. He wrote Sophia coming out of the barn, Psycho Lizzie getting executed and now Carl almost being Ned Beatty'd.
I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.
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"Hey Scott, we need a child raped or killed next week, you're up."Scott Gimple sure has a thing for killing children and putting them in harm's way. He wrote Sophia coming out of the barn, Psycho Lizzie getting executed and now Carl almost being Ned Beatty'd.
It's Kobe's dad.I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.
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Nobody likes a kissass.I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.
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But not premature to conclude that they are cannibals?It seems premature to conclude that if Terminus is run by cannibals that is their only source of sustenance.
It's premature to conclude that too.I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.
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Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
A: test
B: psycho-killers
how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.
“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.
The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.
While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.
“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”
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So...... cannibals?“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.
The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.
While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.
“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”
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cannabis! all who arrive, get high...vSo...... cannibals?“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.
The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.
While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.
“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”
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YesSo...... cannibals?“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.
The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.
While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.
“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”
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Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
A: test
B: psycho-killers
how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.
So...... cannibals?stbugs said:Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.Disco Stu said:Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.El Floppo said:that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?stbugs said:Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.Disco Stu said:stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
A: test
B: psycho-killers
how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.
Sorry, but the simplest explanation is that they wanted Rick and crew to notice those items and see how they reacted. Feel free to bump in the Fall, but I would say there is 5% that was by accident. Do you guys think the people with guns on the other side of the fence where Rick's crew ran just happened to be walking around outside and then ran up to the fence to see what was going on?
ETA: I bumped it to 5% from 0%. I could be wrong, but if so, that would be silly. This place is so guarded and setup for the trap when Rick and crew were there for minutes, that I don't think anything they do hasn't already been prepped. They shot Alex in the head and started the rat trap based on a hand signal from Gareth, starting with the snipers already on every roof top along the way. To think that they would have been rifling through stuff in the "entrance" IMHO is ridiculous.
Pretty sure. Actually, I would say I am less sure on that than I am on the setup of Rick to see those trinkets.So...... cannibals?stbugs said:Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.Disco Stu said:Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.El Floppo said:that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?stbugs said:Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.Disco Stu said:stbugs said:I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?
A: test
B: psycho-killers
how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.
Sorry, but the simplest explanation is that they wanted Rick and crew to notice those items and see how they reacted. Feel free to bump in the Fall, but I would say there is 5% that was by accident. Do you guys think the people with guns on the other side of the fence where Rick's crew ran just happened to be walking around outside and then ran up to the fence to see what was going on?
ETA: I bumped it to 5% from 0%. I could be wrong, but if so, that would be silly. This place is so guarded and setup for the trap when Rick and crew were there for minutes, that I don't think anything they do hasn't already been prepped. They shot Alex in the head and started the rat trap based on a hand signal from Gareth, starting with the snipers already on every roof top along the way. To think that they would have been rifling through stuff in the "entrance" IMHO is ridiculous.
Not to mention, how would they know that the groups are related? No one knew that Rick and Daryl were even on their way.Three = every single one?
Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.
And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".
The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.
As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Yeah it seemed odd that a guy would stand there in riot gear in a secure compound along beside a woman with a poncho (was it cold?). They were likely fishing to see how Rick would react to find out if all those newcomers were together. Gareth got his answer and had them herded into the same container, box car "A".As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Only Mary and Gareth didn't have items and Gareth held back to give the signal, Alex and the three others each had one thing prominently displayed. What the heck would a guy be doing at lunch with riot gear on? Oh, it's Atlanta, let's put the poncho on, I'm getting cold. Hey, I was thinking about camping this weekend at Stone mountain, let's get my backpack ready here at this table. If they are just lounging there playing with these items, they sure got ready with guns in a split second.Three = every single one?
Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.
And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".
The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.
Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Agreed. They showed us everything pointing to Terminus people being 100% prepared and precise, but somehow they were just randomly around with 1 item a piece and got lucky a patrol happened to be at that back fence, not where the shots started?Yeah it seemed odd that a guy would stand there in riot gear in a secure compound along beside a woman with a poncho (was it cold?). They were likely fishing to see how Rick would react to find out if all those newcomers were together. Gareth got his answer and had them herded into the same container, box car "A".As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
maybe they had spies in the woods along the tracksAgain, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
How often do you think they get visitors? They just got one group and a second sneaked in soon after. Is it really a stretch to think they broke into two teams with the second coming in if they didn't hear back from the first team? I think that when Maggie and friends came in, they went into high alert mode. We have no idea how they herded those guys into the rail car. Maybe they were eating and they mentioned they had friends that they were hoping they would see again.Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Exactly, tons of reasons for them to either know a little more or be suspicious that they might have split up before going in.maybe they had spies in the woods along the tracksAgain, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
OK. That's cool.No idea what happenedAgain, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Maybe they didn't know it was Rick and Daryl, but they might have known Glenn had others out there who might also be coming.. or Maggie could have asked them if Beth (or any of their other friends) were there already. This lets Gareth know they might be expecting others in that group and when those others get here they are going to be asking about Glenn, Maggie, et al. So since Glenn and company pissed them off they probably figured the rest of their people would be similar problems. So if Rick had not recognized the items, they would have eaten the food given to them and likely been sent to a different lettered container.. and Gareth would have figured Rick's group aren't the ones Glenn and Maggie were talking about.Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
Ummmm....... Under your scenario? I would assume enough to change their eating habits.How often do you think they get visitors? They just got one group and a second sneaked in soon after. Is it really a stretch to think they broke into two teams with the second coming in if they didn't hear back from the first team? I think that when Maggie and friends came in, they went into high alert mode. We have no idea how they herded those guys into the rail car. Maybe they were eating and they mentioned they had friends that they were hoping they would see again.Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.
No idea what happened, but if Maggie's crew didn't pass their test, them being on alert for their backups makes perfect sense to me. Look at all the Terminus people that died and that they didn't trust anyone anymore. They probably got screwed over and they wouldn't take a chance that Maggie's crew didn't have people that hung back just in case.
These are two different points. I agree that they were completely prepared. Everyone knew where they needed to be once the trap sequence began. The guys outside the fence were supposed to be outside the fence. No doubt. Whether or not that is their only job isn't that important. They were there when needed, which is really all that mattered.Only Mary and Gareth didn't have items and Gareth held back to give the signal, Alex and the three others each had one thing prominently displayed. What the heck would a guy be doing at lunch with riot gear on? Oh, it's Atlanta, let's put the poncho on, I'm getting cold. Hey, I was thinking about camping this weekend at Stone mountain, let's get my backpack ready here at this table. If they are just lounging there playing with these items, they sure got ready with guns in a split second.Three = every single one?
Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.
And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".
The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.
Again, with all of that firepower, why go through this process at all? This wasn't a terrorist policy where they got invaded. It was already coordinated. The people behind the fence were on patrol?Are you trying to say that they didn't have that snare completely setup already? They were there to stop them from going further. The snipers guided them specifically to that location where they were at the fence. Also, it wasn't several minutes of gunfire. Rick's crew bolted as soon as Alex was shot and ran through the a couple alley ways and buildings. If that took more than 30-45 seconds, I would be shocked. Why did they all go right to that fence where the rail car was, why not go inside the fence since the shots were in a completely different area? I'll tell you why, it was already setup for them to be waiting there.