***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Disco Stu]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

 

[Disco Stu]

Interesting stuff:

The people of Terminus are totally the cannibals from the comics, right?

Robert Kirkman: Assume nothing. I will say for the record that we're not revealing that these are the cannibals or outright denying that. You should plan for a surprise when we come back for Season 5.

Scott Gimple: I don't think there's anything in Episode 16 that showed them as definitely cannibals. One could suspect, but there are no eaten parts there.

Decent pic of the pile of human bones

Where did you read this stuff?

Found it. Oddly enough, is the next question for them:

You say there's no proof, and yet there's this weird candle room that could be a tribute to those they've eaten. There's another shipping container full of people who were yelling for help. They only shot at their feet in order to keep them alive, and when you arrive, there is a BBQ waiting for you that could be Beth (Emily Kinney).

Gimple: Here's an interesting exercise that we both could do and we will both fail. Having read the comic books and knowing the rhythm of the story of the comic, could we pull what we know of the comic away from our brain and would it still lead to cannibalism in this moment? There is cannibalism in a lot of zombie movies. But, especially with that room, if you're going to eat somebody, are you really going to put up a candle for them? I don't think that's what that room is about.

Kirkman: The Beth BBQ question is a big one. I've seen that a lot on Twitter. When a theory is as prevalent as that one is, it's more than likely not true. If there ever was a story line where we were going a different way and the audience seemed to be ahead of us to that point, it would be extremely unfortunate and I would certainly not feel too good about how well we're doing our jobs. Thankfully this doesn't seem to be the case.

I think Kirkman's answer is exactly what I've been saying.

He is saying Beth has not been eaten and that the shrine is not for their dinner guests. He is not saying they aren't cannibals. #doublenegative

 

[Jayrok]

The woman sending out the radio message definitely sounded like she was drugged or brainwashed. Lends credence to that theory.

I wondered why they didn't just use a recording. She's got a boring job sitting there saying the same thing over and over. But I guess if she remains gainfully employed, they won't put her on the menu.

 

[El Floppo]

Interesting stuff:

The people of Terminus are totally the cannibals from the comics, right?

Robert Kirkman: Assume nothing. I will say for the record that we're not revealing that these are the cannibals or outright denying that. You should plan for a surprise when we come back for Season 5.

Scott Gimple: I don't think there's anything in Episode 16 that showed them as definitely cannibals. One could suspect, but there are no eaten parts there.

Decent pic of the pile of human bones

Where did you read this stuff?

Found it. Oddly enough, is the next question for them:

You say there's no proof, and yet there's this weird candle room that could be a tribute to those they've eaten. There's another shipping container full of people who were yelling for help. They only shot at their feet in order to keep them alive, and when you arrive, there is a BBQ waiting for you that could be Beth (Emily Kinney).

Gimple: Here's an interesting exercise that we both could do and we will both fail. Having read the comic books and knowing the rhythm of the story of the comic, could we pull what we know of the comic away from our brain and would it still lead to cannibalism in this moment? There is cannibalism in a lot of zombie movies. But, especially with that room, if you're going to eat somebody, are you really going to put up a candle for them? I don't think that's what that room is about.

Kirkman: The Beth BBQ question is a big one. I've seen that a lot on Twitter. When a theory is as prevalent as that one is, it's more than likely not true. If there ever was a story line where we were going a different way and the audience seemed to be ahead of us to that point, it would be extremely unfortunate and I would certainly not feel too good about how well we're doing our jobs. Thankfully this doesn't seem to be the case.

I think Kirkman's answer is exactly what I've been saying.

He is saying Beth has not been eaten and that the shrine is not for their dinner guests. He is not saying they aren't cannibals. #doublenegative

Maybe they're making a smoothie out Beth- so they have to drink her. That way he gets to tell the truth about them not eating her.

 

[packersfan]

The episode was really put together well. The items Rick recognizes are recalled in the flash backs. The rabbit snare path/trail thing correlates with the gammut Rick and Co get run through. Rick started off season 3 as a pansy and now we know why, and now he's dark and badass because some hefty redneck tried to go Deliverance on his kid, and we know why.

Good episode.

Oh, and much like the rabbit snare was to trap food, so was the one Rick and Co ran through. Terminus is eating people, its not up for debate.

I really liked that episode.And yeah, they're definitely eating people. Makes sense too. Why risk going out on runs if you can have it delivered?

I also thought it was interesting that Rick spotted Glenn/Herschel's watch just before anyone could take a bite of the meat they were offered. This way they can introduce the cannibalism idea later without having to deal with any angst Rick, Daryl, Carol and Michonne might have if they had eaten a whole plate.

I know some folks here don't like him but Bad ### Rick Grimes is awesome. I thought this episode did a great job of showing how he has basically come to terms with the animal within while still retaining some traces of humanity.

From what was said on The Talking Dead the scene on the road with Joe and Rick and everyone was lifted straight out of Kirkman's comics but Scott Gimple sure has a thing for killing children and putting them in harm's way. He wrote Sophia coming out of the barn, Psycho Lizzie getting executed and now Carl almost being Ned Beatty'd.

 

[stbugs]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

 

[El Floppo]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

 

[packersfan]

It sucks they couldn't use the scripted final line from Rick of "They've f'd with the wrong people."

Would've loved that.

 

[cstu]

Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J

Anyone who's ever grown a vegetable garden knows how much space and work would be involved to produce enough food to feed a couple of dozen people even one meal a day. Those little planter boxes they had scattered around were cosmetic, nothing more.

Sure. Vegetable gardens and livestock have been grown like this since the beginning of time. And that's usually been the choice over cannibalism. Even on limited land. Just like they were doing at the prison. That's all I'm saying.

And like I said, I know you can't start picking apart logical decisions but the idea that they'd build a society based on luring the few humans in and then eating them seems pretty far fetched, even for a zombie show. But I'm playing along. It's their story and it has me in the fold.

J

The candle room is an indication that something very serious happened to the Terminites that caused them to become cannibals. That room combined with their behavior gave me the impression they've developed some sort of 'religion' or belief system to justify eating people.

 

[cstu]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

You got it.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

The episode was really put together well. The items Rick recognizes are recalled in the flash backs. The rabbit snare path/trail thing correlates with the gammut Rick and Co get run through. Rick started off season 3 as a pansy and now we know why, and now he's dark and badass because some hefty redneck tried to go Deliverance on his kid, and we know why.

Good episode.

Oh, and much like the rabbit snare was to trap food, so was the one Rick and Co ran through. Terminus is eating people, its not up for debate.

I really liked that episode.And yeah, they're definitely eating people. Makes sense too. Why risk going out on runs if you can have it delivered?

I also thought it was interesting that Rick spotted Glenn/Herschel's watch just before anyone could take a bite of the meat they were offered. This way they can introduce the cannibalism idea later without having to deal with any angst Rick, Daryl, Carol and Michonne might have if they had eaten a whole plate.

I know some folks here don't like him but Bad ### Rick Grimes is awesome. I thought this episode did a great job of showing how he has basically come to terms with the animal within while still retaining some traces of humanity.

From what was said on The Talking Dead the scene on the road with Joe and Rick and everyone was lifted straight out of Kirkman's comics but Scott Gimple sure has a thing for killing children and putting them in harm's way. He wrote Sophia coming out of the barn, Psycho Lizzie getting executed and now Carl almost being Ned Beatty'd.

Yep. No more farmer or majority vote Rick. Dale or Andrea would still be arguing about not doing anything rash or something that should be discussed beforehand.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J

I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.

 

[cstu]

Scott Gimple sure has a thing for killing children and putting them in harm's way. He wrote Sophia coming out of the barn, Psycho Lizzie getting executed and now Carl almost being Ned Beatty'd.

"Hey Scott, we need a child raped or killed next week, you're up."

Gimple seems to be a big Stephen King fan, who has no problem writing horrible things done by or to kids.

 

[roadkill1292]

Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J

I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.

It's Kobe's dad.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J

I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.

Nobody likes a kissass.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I think JB is up to something.

 

[packersfan]

It seems premature to conclude that if Terminus is run by cannibals that is their only source of sustenance.

 

[TheIronSheik]

It seems premature to conclude that if Terminus is run by cannibals that is their only source of sustenance.

But not premature to conclude that they are cannibals?

 

[playin4beer]

My first thought on the powdered milk was Judith... not sure how that would work, if they got there ahead of everybody else or what.. could be who we heard yelling for help from the other container..

 

[packersfan]

Granted, it's not like smart decisions have exactly ruled the show but doesn't it seem pretty ridiculous given the resources with farming and such that the Terminus group would choose cannibalism as their food source? Humans look to be getting more and more scarce. This seems like a pretty dumb way to survive.

J

I'm not sure who this guy is, but I totally agree with him.

It's premature to conclude that too. But it would seem to fit based on what apparently happens in the comics plus the overall weirdness of the place, the candle shrine room and the rather heavy emphasis on giving all the newcomers "a plate."

 

[Disco Stu]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.

 

[Rove!]

I'm on board with those saying Beth got taken by a different group. It's a different MO.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think the people of Terminus are actually the passengers of the Malaysian flight that was lost at sea.

 

[Disco Stu]

“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.

The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.

While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.

“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”

Link

 

[TheIronSheik]

“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.

The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.

While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.

“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”

Link

So...... cannibals?

 

[Jayrok]

“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.

The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.

While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.

“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”

Link

So...... cannibals?

cannabis! all who arrive, get high...v

 

[Disco Stu]

“And this right here is Church. It’s kind of a memorial to our departed Terminants,” explains Andrew J. West, who plays Gareth, in the video embedded below.

The names on the floor, then, are presumed to be the loved ones of the residents of Terminus, which presumably explains why there are trinkets left behind for them while the residents of the community are fairly shameless about pillaging from the living, taking things like Glenn’s pocketwatch and Eugene’s riot gear.

While some fans had speculated that this was in fact a room where the Terminians memorialized their victims, the notion that it’s in memory of their loved ones lost would support the messages on the wall, which say things like “never trust” and “we first, always.” It seems that they encountered somebody like The Governor and took away very different lessons from the one Rick’s group did.

“There’s a big story to Terminus,” Robert Kirkman explained in the show’s postmortem at TheWalkingDead.com. “There’s a very long and involved way that Terminus came about, and that memorial is a big part of it. It’s what these people have lived through and what’s happened to them and what’s built them into what they are, which will be revealed in Season 5. There are a lot of hints when you watch this episode closely of what’s to come in Season 5, so I would definitely urge everyone to watch this episode multiple times and try to pick out the things we’re teasing because there’s a lot to find.”

Link

So...... cannibals?

Yes

Gareth and Alex also struck me as two guys who should be planning a music festival somewhere. It was like Rick suddenly found himself in Austin.

 

[stbugs]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.

Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.

Sorry, but the simplest explanation is that they wanted Rick and crew to notice those items and see how they reacted. Feel free to bump in the Fall, but I would say there is 5% that was by accident. Do you guys think the people with guns on the other side of the fence where Rick's crew ran just happened to be walking around outside and then ran up to the fence to see what was going on?

ETA: I bumped it to 5% from 0%. I could be wrong, but if so, that would be silly. This place is so guarded and setup for the trap when Rick and crew were there for minutes, that I don't think anything they do hasn't already been prepped. They shot Alex in the head and started the rat trap based on a hand signal from Gareth, starting with the snipers already on every roof top along the way. To think that they would have been rifling through stuff in the "entrance" IMHO is ridiculous.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.

Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.

Sorry, but the simplest explanation is that they wanted Rick and crew to notice those items and see how they reacted. Feel free to bump in the Fall, but I would say there is 5% that was by accident. Do you guys think the people with guns on the other side of the fence where Rick's crew ran just happened to be walking around outside and then ran up to the fence to see what was going on?

ETA: I bumped it to 5% from 0%. I could be wrong, but if so, that would be silly. This place is so guarded and setup for the trap when Rick and crew were there for minutes, that I don't think anything they do hasn't already been prepped. They shot Alex in the head and started the rat trap based on a hand signal from Gareth, starting with the snipers already on every roof top along the way. To think that they would have been rifling through stuff in the "entrance" IMHO is ridiculous.

So...... cannibals?

 

[stbugs]

I did say to my son that I thought the poncho/watch/riot gear was too obvious, so I was thinking it might be a test to see what type of people they are.

What kind of test is that?"Let's see how you react to seeing random items we took off an unrelated group." That kind of test?

Yes. Why else did they do that? Just to start them shooting? If they only wanted to herd them then they bring out twenty snipers on the roof and disarm them. They put on the stuff to elicit a reaction, maybe just to see if they were connected to the group they just caught. Unless they are just wackos who like to torture people it was a test of some sort. We don't know what or why yet.

that's the only OTHER scenario you've got?

A: test

B: psycho-killers

how about... I dunno... they liked the new swag and so kept it and wore it without any other agenda- figuring there wasn't much chance that anybody would recognize the handful of items from recently eaten people.

Exactly. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.

Really? You guys actually think the simplest explanation is that every single one of the people in the courtyard with Mary had a single item from the previous group because they liked it? They have this whole place laid out with snipers at every corner and paths laid out to get to a trap location with people waiting at the fence with guns and you guys think the watch, bag and riot gear was unplanned. C'mon, let's get real. It was a test of some sort, they either knew they would react to it (friends of Maggie and crew) or not react to it (not friends of them). When Maggie and those guys went in the front door and no one was in the courtyard. Rick and team sneaked in (or so they thought) and suddenly there are random people, each of which has an item from Maggie's crew and you guys think that was happenstance? No way were those items selected randomly and those people milling around for no reason. As far as I can tell, Terminus folks are extremely organized.

Sorry, but the simplest explanation is that they wanted Rick and crew to notice those items and see how they reacted. Feel free to bump in the Fall, but I would say there is 5% that was by accident. Do you guys think the people with guns on the other side of the fence where Rick's crew ran just happened to be walking around outside and then ran up to the fence to see what was going on?

ETA: I bumped it to 5% from 0%. I could be wrong, but if so, that would be silly. This place is so guarded and setup for the trap when Rick and crew were there for minutes, that I don't think anything they do hasn't already been prepped. They shot Alex in the head and started the rat trap based on a hand signal from Gareth, starting with the snipers already on every roof top along the way. To think that they would have been rifling through stuff in the "entrance" IMHO is ridiculous.

So...... cannibals?

Pretty sure. Actually, I would say I am less sure on that than I am on the setup of Rick to see those trinkets.

 

[Jayrok]

I also think Beth was taken by a different group, maybe the Hunters?

I think Glenn, Abraham, Maggie, et al, did the same thing as Rick's group did. They just walked in, yes, but someone sensed something was wrong and they were herded away from the other people. They were in the same container as Rick's group, and Rick's group was specifically herded to that container. The episode was called "A" and if you go back and look at the chase sequence, Rick's group always went through the "snare" along the path marked with "A" and only the path with "A".

When they first took off gunfire cut off their route, so they turned to another direction, again met with gunfire at their feet. They then go to a garage but the door closed on them, so they turned again to a barred door (locked), Daryl (I think) then says this way and the door they go through is marked "A"... then they go down an alley and are stopped/redirected again by gunfile, so they turn and run another direction.

They run by the yard of skeletons and I noticed that Rick does indeed look at them as he runs by... then they run into an open garage door with a big "A" on it. This takes them to the room with candles/memorials. There are doors in this room but all are locked except for the door with "A" on it.. This takes them to the dock, end of the line where their "A" container is located with Glenn's group already in it. I think they all got herded there for the same reason.

 

[The General]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

 

[Disco Stu]

Three = every single one?

Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.

And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".

The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Three = every single one?

Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.

And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".

The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.

Not to mention, how would they know that the groups are related? No one knew that Rick and Daryl were even on their way.

 

[Jayrok]

In the memorial room with candles and names, there were also personal effects, presumably of the people they are memorializing. I saw a guitar beside one name.

We didn't see the entire terminite group, but there were no children in any of the shots. The memorial room could be their personal things to remember them after they were sacrificed for food. Over some time they developed a method of drawing people in instead of eating their own. So the broadcasts and signs inviting survivors.

 

[stbugs]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

 

[Jayrok]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Yeah it seemed odd that a guy would stand there in riot gear in a secure compound along beside a woman with a poncho (was it cold?). They were likely fishing to see how Rick would react to find out if all those newcomers were together. Gareth got his answer and had them herded into the same container, box car "A".

 

[stbugs]

Three = every single one?

Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.

And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".

The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.

Only Mary and Gareth didn't have items and Gareth held back to give the signal, Alex and the three others each had one thing prominently displayed. What the heck would a guy be doing at lunch with riot gear on? Oh, it's Atlanta, let's put the poncho on, I'm getting cold. Hey, I was thinking about camping this weekend at Stone mountain, let's get my backpack ready here at this table. If they are just lounging there playing with these items, they sure got ready with guns in a split second.

Again, with all of that firepower, why go through this process at all? This wasn't a terrorist policy where they got invaded. It was already coordinated. The people behind the fence were on patrol?Are you trying to say that they didn't have that snare completely setup already? They were there to stop them from going further. The snipers guided them specifically to that location where they were at the fence. Also, it wasn't several minutes of gunfire. Rick's crew bolted as soon as Alex was shot and ran through the a couple alley ways and buildings. If that took more than 30-45 seconds, I would be shocked. Why did they all go right to that fence where the rail car was, why not go inside the fence since the shots were in a completely different area? I'll tell you why, it was already setup for them to be waiting there.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

 

[stbugs]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Yeah it seemed odd that a guy would stand there in riot gear in a secure compound along beside a woman with a poncho (was it cold?). They were likely fishing to see how Rick would react to find out if all those newcomers were together. Gareth got his answer and had them herded into the same container, box car "A".

Agreed. They showed us everything pointing to Terminus people being 100% prepared and precise, but somehow they were just randomly around with 1 item a piece and got lucky a patrol happened to be at that back fence, not where the shots started?

 

[Parrothead]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

maybe they had spies in the woods along the tracks

 

[stbugs]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

How often do you think they get visitors? They just got one group and a second sneaked in soon after. Is it really a stretch to think they broke into two teams with the second coming in if they didn't hear back from the first team? I think that when Maggie and friends came in, they went into high alert mode. We have no idea how they herded those guys into the rail car. Maybe they were eating and they mentioned they had friends that they were hoping they would see again.

No idea what happened, but if Maggie's crew didn't pass their test, them being on alert for their backups makes perfect sense to me. Look at all the Terminus people that died and that they didn't trust anyone anymore. They probably got screwed over and they wouldn't take a chance that Maggie's crew didn't have people that hung back just in case.

 

[stbugs]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

maybe they had spies in the woods along the tracks

Exactly, tons of reasons for them to either know a little more or be suspicious that they might have split up before going in.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

No idea what happened

OK. That's cool.

 

[Jayrok]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

Maybe they didn't know it was Rick and Daryl, but they might have known Glenn had others out there who might also be coming.. or Maggie could have asked them if Beth (or any of their other friends) were there already. This lets Gareth know they might be expecting others in that group and when those others get here they are going to be asking about Glenn, Maggie, et al. So since Glenn and company pissed them off they probably figured the rest of their people would be similar problems. So if Rick had not recognized the items, they would have eaten the food given to them and likely been sent to a different lettered container.. and Gareth would have figured Rick's group aren't the ones Glenn and Maggie were talking about.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The only thing about this being a test is they killed one of their own guys. That seems a bit extreme if this were a setup.

As someone posted earlier, Alex seemed a bit panicked that Gareth was telling him to stop and that he had it handled. I agree with that person that he sort of knew what was going to happen to him. Again, I don't think Gareth pulls any punches, he seemed in utter control (think Ben for Lost fans) and him sacrificing Alex, who didn't do the setup properly makes sense to me. I think these guys function on precision, everything is done properly and if you don't do your job correctly, you could go down next.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but with the snipers, the guns on the back fence, the prepped path, I don't think these guys fool around at all. Gareth would have dropped Carl in a heart beat if Rick didn't behave and I think Rick realized that as well. That is why I don't think the bag, poncho, riot gear and poncho were by accident. Each person besides Mary all had exactly one item and that item was pretty easily displayed to be viewed. I don't know if they knew Maggie's crew was linked to Rick's, but they intended to find out. Maybe Maggie et al told them what happened. Maybe Carol and Tyrese are already there and told them. Maybe these guys are a lot more organized than we think and already knew about the prison and Woodbury.

Again, why would they wear that stuff assuming that Rick would show up? No one in that group knew that Rick was coming.

How often do you think they get visitors? They just got one group and a second sneaked in soon after. Is it really a stretch to think they broke into two teams with the second coming in if they didn't hear back from the first team? I think that when Maggie and friends came in, they went into high alert mode. We have no idea how they herded those guys into the rail car. Maybe they were eating and they mentioned they had friends that they were hoping they would see again.

No idea what happened, but if Maggie's crew didn't pass their test, them being on alert for their backups makes perfect sense to me. Look at all the Terminus people that died and that they didn't trust anyone anymore. They probably got screwed over and they wouldn't take a chance that Maggie's crew didn't have people that hung back just in case.

Ummmm....... Under your scenario? I would assume enough to change their eating habits.

 

[Witz]

Never realized it before but that kid playing with the legos is the voice of Phineas on Phineas and Ferb.

 

[Disco Stu]

Three = every single one?

Keep in mind that three of the four people in the group they were supposedly testing had no idea what was happening. It was only obvious to the viewers because the camera lingered on the items. Most new visitors are going to be focused on the food. A test that depends on hyper awareness of the test subject seems pretty pointless.

And does it make sense for Alex to turn his back on people they were supposedly testing? The hand signal from Gareth seemed to execute their "no hostages" plan. The way Alex was trying to plead with his own people led me to believe this was their well established policy in dealing with "terrorists".

The people outside the fence could have easily been on patrol, which would make the unlocked fences easier to justify. There were several minutes of gunfire before they needed to be in their final positions.

Only Mary and Gareth didn't have items and Gareth held back to give the signal, Alex and the three others each had one thing prominently displayed. What the heck would a guy be doing at lunch with riot gear on? Oh, it's Atlanta, let's put the poncho on, I'm getting cold. Hey, I was thinking about camping this weekend at Stone mountain, let's get my backpack ready here at this table. If they are just lounging there playing with these items, they sure got ready with guns in a split second.

Again, with all of that firepower, why go through this process at all? This wasn't a terrorist policy where they got invaded. It was already coordinated. The people behind the fence were on patrol?Are you trying to say that they didn't have that snare completely setup already? They were there to stop them from going further. The snipers guided them specifically to that location where they were at the fence. Also, it wasn't several minutes of gunfire. Rick's crew bolted as soon as Alex was shot and ran through the a couple alley ways and buildings. If that took more than 30-45 seconds, I would be shocked. Why did they all go right to that fence where the rail car was, why not go inside the fence since the shots were in a completely different area? I'll tell you why, it was already setup for them to be waiting there.

These are two different points. I agree that they were completely prepared. Everyone knew where they needed to be once the trap sequence began. The guys outside the fence were supposed to be outside the fence. No doubt. Whether or not that is their only job isn't that important. They were there when needed, which is really all that mattered.

Maggie was wearing the poncho when she arrived, so I wouldn't read anything into the logic of wearing something warm in Atlanta. I do admit to questioning the need for riot gear in there though. I figured it was just to provide another familiar item for the audience to notice. And they could easily justify it by assuming the guy was going straight from lunch to a run or a patrol shift.

I thought there were also a few other people milling about (sans significant items) but could be mistaken.

 

[Jayrok]

Another sign that may point to cannabilism, or at least once you are in terminus, you can never leave terminus.. are the signs to terminus. If it was a bad place (but not evil) and people decided to leave we might see other markings on those signs like "Don't go to terminus! It sucks there.. beware!" or something. But those signs are not marked on.

I wonder if any of them caught a warm smell of colitas rising up through the air on the way leading up to the gates.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Well, I am a little embarrassed for some posters in here. We have 295 pages of bashing the unimaginative boring ####ty writers. Then in one episode they pull off the super creative subterfuge secret test plan on one of their own guys and a big ole pile of bloody human bones is a ploy.

Who wrote that episode? Did they hire new staff?

Unless the staff comic book writers were magically replaced with Agatha Christie, Rick snuck into a cannibal camp and used his cop sense to determine it was a trap and got trapped anyway.