***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[packersfan]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?

Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?

Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

I didn't see that. Was that in the preview at the end of the show? Seems like it would be an easy tale to tell. Heck, I would start from the beginning, tell him how Otis came back and they were being chased and Otis got grabbed and that the herd went in on him and that allowed Shane to get away. Unless you are an extremely bad liar, that is an easy tale to tell. I wouldn't even go into any detail on Otis getting eaten, just say they got him when they ran out of ammo.I like the show, but unless it is really important to some arc in the original comics, I hope this doesn't become a lingering thing. I have no issues with the pacing and what the zombies can or can't do, but trying to turn this into a bad thing that Shane did versus a had to do to survive would be annoying. Lori is my least favorite person on the show, so if she starts a witch hunt, it will suck even more to me.

Link to preview of Episode 204

It looked like Dale had some concerns about his story. When you consider that Dale has talked in the past about keeping things tight as society breaks down. Maybe he puts two and two together. He did fake an engine problem so the group wouldn't leave without the girl. Perhaps wisdom in his old age leads him to some conclusions.

I think you guys might be reading too much into a two-second pan at Dale in the scene. I didn't get the sense the mental wheels were turning. Dale just looked like Dale.

 

[Sconch]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

The dialogue is horrible, it seems so forced.

90% of the time whenever I see two characters, talking by themselves, I FF through it. I have no idea what the doctor's daughter and the Chinese kid were talking about but I know it started and ended with prayer/god.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

This is nothing new from Shane. Shane and Rick disagreed on going back into Atlanta to find Merle IIRC.

 

[Walton Goggins]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

Wouldn't a lot of homes/offices/buildings have their lights on? It's not as if the electric company shut off power so I really don't know if lights being on would attract zombies. Plus they seem to be in a secluded area now with only coming up on a few zombies.

 

[beer 30]

Somebody else mentioned the Walton's not buying into Shane's story about Otis's untimely demise. How cool is it going to be when he re-animates and heads back to the farm?

 

[Socrates11]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

That worked for me. Lori was flipping out and talking about how the world had turned to crap, that Carl's life would only be a struggle and in the end he would likely be a zombie, just basically saying it was better to be dead. Rick was saying that as bad as life was and as hurt as Carl was, Carl still felt joy in seeing a live deer up close. An 'every moment of life can contain beauty if you look for it' kind of zen philosophy. And I think it brought Lori back around, at least a little.

 

[Froglova]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?

Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?

Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

I didn't see that. Was that in the preview at the end of the show? Seems like it would be an easy tale to tell. Heck, I would start from the beginning, tell him how Otis came back and they were being chased and Otis got grabbed and that the herd went in on him and that allowed Shane to get away. Unless you are an extremely bad liar, that is an easy tale to tell. I wouldn't even go into any detail on Otis getting eaten, just say they got him when they ran out of ammo.I like the show, but unless it is really important to some arc in the original comics, I hope this doesn't become a lingering thing. I have no issues with the pacing and what the zombies can or can't do, but trying to turn this into a bad thing that Shane did versus a had to do to survive would be annoying. Lori is my least favorite person on the show, so if she starts a witch hunt, it will suck even more to me.

Link to preview of Episode 204

It looked like Dale had some concerns about his story. When you consider that Dale has talked in the past about keeping things tight as society breaks down. Maybe he puts two and two together. He did fake an engine problem so the group wouldn't leave without the girl. Perhaps wisdom in his old age leads him to some conclusions.

I think you guys might be reading too much into a two-second pan at Dale in the scene. I didn't get the sense the mental wheels were turning. Dale just looked like Dale.

You may be right. But Dale seems more wise than most.

 

[shadyridr]

i feel like daryl should be the black guys name and dale should be the bow and arrow guys name.

 

[mad sweeney]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

The dialogue is horrible, it seems so forced.

I didn't mind it much this episode. I'm extremely critical of shows, largely because I'm in the business. So if I don't get sucked in enough to stop thinking about how they're doing it, I get finicky. Last night I was into it enough to not care about some clunky dialog or anything else. It was a solid episode and was enough for me to not be critical of it.

 

[packersfan]

You may be right. But Dale seems more wise than most.

Agree with that. The deer scene worked for me too by the way. I thought the episode was really well done on all levels.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

That worked for me. Lori was flipping out and talking about how the world had turned to crap, that Carl's life would only be a struggle and in the end he would likely be a zombie, just basically saying it was better to be dead. Rick was saying that as bad as life was and as hurt as Carl was, Carl still felt joy in seeing a live deer up close. An 'every moment of life can contain beauty if you look for it' kind of zen philosophy. And I think it brought Lori back around, at least a little.

that was my take as well

 

[pantherclub]

So why didnt shane and otis take a ton of ammo, why are they just walking around the farm unarmed and not even acknowledging the potential of a zombie attack?

 

[Sconch]

So why didnt shane and otis take a ton of ammo, why are they just walking around the farm unarmed and not even acknowledging the potential of a zombie attack?

There is a world-wide ammo shortage it seems.

 

[modogg]

I hope Shane force chokes Sophia next week.

Guess that's why he really shaved his head, wants that bald Darth look. Next week you'll see him making a mask and black body suit and cape to complete his transformation to the Dark Side

on a side note they mentioned on the wrap up show thing they have that Shane shaved his head because Otis ripped out a clump of his hair when they were fighting. I didn't completely catch that in the scene, thought he had scabies or lice or something. and again, a question for those who have read the comics:

Spoiler

It seems like they are keeping Shane around for a bit, any chance they try and convert Shane into the Governor? it would seem to make more sense then Meryl because the Governor was charismatic and lead a large group for awhile.

 

[jamny]

I hope Shane force chokes Sophia next week.

Guess that's why he really shaved his head, wants that bald Darth look. Next week you'll see him making a mask and black body suit and cape to complete his transformation to the Dark Side

on a side note they mentioned on the wrap up show thing they have that Shane shaved his head because Otis ripped out a clump of his hair when they were fighting. I didn't completely catch that in the scene, thought he had scabies or lice or something. and again, a question for those who have read the comics:

Spoiler

It seems like they are keeping Shane around for a bit, any chance they try and convert Shane into the Governor? it would seem to make more sense then Meryl because the Governor was charismatic and lead a large group for awhile.

I thought he might have been bitten and when Otis ripped it out, I realized why he was shaving.

 

[SacramentoBob]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Farmer's daughter was keeping watch. Presumably they haven't been attacked full-on by a zombie horde at this point, so they have no reason to not keep the lights on. Still seems silly to do anything to draw attention to yourselves. Recall that the vet has a "this too shall pass" mentality and doesn't feel the need to stay on complete lock down.

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

Why didn't they bludgeon the zombies to death from the safety of the bleachers? Would've been a better plan than jumping down 2 stories and having Otis hop down and distract them. He barely was able to do that part right. I'm still wondering how he got up on the bleachers fast enough to begin with.

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up.

Yes.

 

[SacramentoBob]

i feel like daryl should be the black guys name and dale should be the bow and arrow guys name.

Otis is more of a black guy name.

 

[packersfan]

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up.

Yes.

Based on the previews for next week, it looks like everyone will be at the farm for at least part of the episode.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So why didnt shane and otis take a ton of ammo, why are they just walking around the farm unarmed and not even acknowledging the potential of a zombie attack?

There is a world-wide ammo shortage it seems.

You would think every one of those cars on the road with dead people would have some ammo...or at least most of them.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

 

[mad sweeney]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

 

[mad sweeney]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

At this point, who gives a ####. Shane killed him via zombies. Enough with the round and round arguments on the merits of alternative methods of killing the guy and whether or not it was a ####ty thing to do. We all know where you stand on the issue. Repeating your point multiple times is just a PITA. Move on.

 

[snogger]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

You are aware this is a T.V. show, not real life.. correct

 

[Froglova]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

Thinking about it, at one point the chick asked the asian kid if he shut the gate on the way in. Perhaps they have a big fence running around their farm? Would a zombie even try to get around the fence if he had no reason to? Maybe that's why they feel more protected. I know they have horses. So the fences need to be tall enough to keep the horses in or electrified.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

Sheesh it was only 30 seconds. I liked this episode.I really like Darryl even though he wasn't in the books. Most interesting character in the bunch by far.

 

[mad sweeney]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

At this point, who gives a ####. Shane killed him via zombies. Enough with the round and round arguments on the merits of alternative methods of killing the guy and whether or not it was a ####ty thing to do. We all know where you stand on the issue. Repeating your point multiple times is just a PITA. Move on.

Well, the people posting about it give a ####. It's real easy to pass up posts you don't want to read. I know you feel, I could be much happier with less whining posts. I think shooting him in the leg vs the head is a massive character building point.

 

[mad sweeney]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

You are aware this is a T.V. show, not real life.. correct

Uh, I think so. Haven't seen them using the internet yet so unless mine goes out I have a retty easy reality check.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Rick can't act, Lori can't act, and some of the dialogue is awful. even still, the last 5 minutes was for me, so I'm still entertained.

 

[badmojo1006]

Rick can't act, Lori can't act, and some of the dialogue is awful. even still, the last 5 minutes was for me, so I'm still entertained.

I was when they were having their very serious discussion about whether Carl should live or die. It felt forced and emotionless

 

[pantherclub]

Rick can't act, Lori can't act, and some of the dialogue is awful. even still, the last 5 minutes was for me, so I'm still entertained.

I was when they were having their very serious discussion about whether Carl should live or die. It felt forced and emotionless

"the deer lori, the deer"

 

[Jobber]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

At this point, who gives a ####. Shane killed him via zombies. Enough with the round and round arguments on the merits of alternative methods of killing the guy and whether or not it was a ####ty thing to do. We all know where you stand on the issue. Repeating your point multiple times is just a PITA. Move on.

Well, the people posting about it give a ####. It's real easy to pass up posts you don't want to read. I know you feel, I could be much happier with less whining posts. I think shooting him in the leg vs the head is a massive character building point.

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Shooting Otis saved this week's episode. Let's get out of the house and off the highway now. TIA.

 

[packersfan]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

Of course it is. Which is why madsweeney is annoying everyone.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Shane made the decision to sacrifice Otis to save himself. Selfish dirt bag move in my opinion. Probably thinking of Lori(not Carl) when he grabbed the bag off of Otis too.

 

[slayer666]

Shooting Otis saved this week's episode. Let's get out of the house and off the highway now. TIA.

Agreed.Though it was a jagoff move as Charle Frown pointed out in post #1740.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Shooting Otis saved this week's episode. Let's get out of the house and off the highway now. TIA.

If they follow the comics at all from this point on there are a few fun things that could occur before they pack up and go (I hope they do).

 

[mad sweeney]

Shane isn't all that evil yet. By killing Otis he saved not only himself but Carl as well. It was a 2 for 1.

Shooting Otis isn't all that bad. It's understandable, though cold blooded. Shooting him in the leg so that he can still fight for the backpack, oh, and still be tortured to death and eaten alive along with being reanimated possibly is completely and utterly and irredeemably cruel.

I agree with others that he needed to be shot but not killed. He only has to suffer for another 30 seconds and it assured his life. One mistake though is not offering to take the pack prior to shooting him.

You guys are nuts. He only had to be bitten to death by a dozen mouths and have his guts ripped out while he's dying. He obviously wasn't a fan of the plan. It wasn't a practical move by Shane, it was a despicable, cruel and selfish move.

At this point, who gives a ####. Shane killed him via zombies. Enough with the round and round arguments on the merits of alternative methods of killing the guy and whether or not it was a ####ty thing to do. We all know where you stand on the issue. Repeating your point multiple times is just a PITA. Move on.

Well, the people posting about it give a ####. It's real easy to pass up posts you don't want to read. I know you feel, I could be much happier with less whining posts. I think shooting him in the leg vs the head is a massive character building point.

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

I don't. They're all following each other towards the people. They've a herd mentality. When they see a bunch of them feeding and smell the blood they'll dive in. Plus a dead Otis doesn't waste Shane's time fighting over the backpack.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

Your statements are contradicting. You care about Shane crossing a line for his character development but you don't think how cruelly he crossed the line matters? He could've tip-toed over the line humanely or leaped over it inhumanely. That makes ALL the difference on how it will impact him. He was having flashbacks about fighting a dying Otis leaving him without a chunk of hair and of Otis screaming at him while being torn apart. How is that irrelevant to how it impacts him vs flashbacks without?

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

Of course it is. Which is why madsweeney is annoying everyone.

That makes you the mindless zombies.eta: sorry for discussing the show. I didn't know we were just to state our opinions once and not comment on anyone else's posts.

 

[packersfan]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

Your statements are contradicting. You care about Shane crossing a line for his character development but you don't think how cruelly he crossed the line matters? He could've tip-toed over the line humanely or leaped over it inhumanely. That makes ALL the difference on how it will impact him. He was having flashbacks about fighting a dying Otis leaving him without a chunk of hair and of Otis screaming at him while being torn apart. How is that irrelevant to how it impacts him vs flashbacks without?

My statements are not contradictory. I agree with the belief that a live body created more of a diversion than a dead one so if Shane was going to cross the line I think he made the right choice. I'm not saying I condone his actions; I'm saying that if that's the choice he was going to make, wounding Otis as opposed to killing him was the way to go. No matter how you look at it, Shane was sacrificing Otis' life to save his own. Once Shane made that decision, Otis was dead and Shane knew it. That's why to me it's irrelevant whether he shot him in the leg or the head. Either way, Otis dies and Shane lives. That's the choice Shane made and that's what I am focusing on because I believe that is arguably the most significant character moment we've seen in the series to date.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

Your statements are contradicting. You care about Shane crossing a line for his character development but you don't think how cruelly he crossed the line matters? He could've tip-toed over the line humanely or leaped over it inhumanely. That makes ALL the difference on how it will impact him. He was having flashbacks about fighting a dying Otis leaving him without a chunk of hair and of Otis screaming at him while being torn apart. How is that irrelevant to how it impacts him vs flashbacks without?

My statements are not contradictory. I agree with the belief that a live body created more of a diversion than a dead one so if Shane was going to cross the line I think he made the right choice. I'm not saying I condone his actions; I'm saying that if that's the choice he was going to make, wounding Otis as opposed to killing him was the way to go. No matter how you look at it, Shane was sacrificing Otis' life to save his own. Once Shane made that decision, Otis was dead and Shane knew it. That's why to me it's irrelevant whether he shot him in the leg or the head. Either way, Otis dies and Shane lives. That's the choice Shane made and that's what I am focusing on because I believe that is arguably the most significant character moment we've seen in the series to date.

Well if it's such a huge moment, how is the fact that he made his choice inhumanely irrelevant? On one hand you make it into such a revealing character moment with massive impact on the future of the character but then you ignore HOW he did it as if that has no bearing on this momentous turning point for the character. That just makes zero sense to me.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I wonder if live bait is better than dead bait. A screaming, writhing, plump Otis may attract 100% of the zombies, where a dead Otis may only attract a half dozen.

That seemed pretty apparent to me. Shooting Otis was a huge character development. How he shot him or where he shot him, to me, is irrelevant. It's all about the line Shane crossed and how it will impact him going forward.

Your statements are contradicting. You care about Shane crossing a line for his character development but you don't think how cruelly he crossed the line matters? He could've tip-toed over the line humanely or leaped over it inhumanely. That makes ALL the difference on how it will impact him. He was having flashbacks about fighting a dying Otis leaving him without a chunk of hair and of Otis screaming at him while being torn apart. How is that irrelevant to how it impacts him vs flashbacks without?

My statements are not contradictory. I agree with the belief that a live body created more of a diversion than a dead one so if Shane was going to cross the line I think he made the right choice. I'm not saying I condone his actions; I'm saying that if that's the choice he was going to make, wounding Otis as opposed to killing him was the way to go. No matter how you look at it, Shane was sacrificing Otis' life to save his own. Once Shane made that decision, Otis was dead and Shane knew it. That's why to me it's irrelevant whether he shot him in the leg or the head. Either way, Otis dies and Shane lives. That's the choice Shane made and that's what I am focusing on because I believe that is arguably the most significant character moment we've seen in the series to date.

This guy gets it.

 

[Copeman]

oh for crying out loud.......

 

[mad sweeney]

oh for crying out loud.......

Outstanding contribution! Can you please stop annoying people with discussion not pertaining to the show. TIA

 

[Copeman]

oh for crying out loud.......

Outstanding contribution! Can you please stop annoying people with discussion not pertaining to the show. TIA

You're right. Lets talk for another 5 pages about why Shane shot Otis. And keep posting the same opinions over and over and over and over. Thats far better.

 

[packersfan]

Well if it's such a huge moment, how is the fact that he made his choice inhumanely irrelevant? On one hand you make it into such a revealing character moment with massive impact on the future of the character but then you ignore HOW he did it as if that has no bearing on this momentous turning point for the character. That just makes zero sense to me.

I'm not ignoring how he did it. He killed Otis. THAT'S the decision he made. You're so focused on where the bullet entered you're ignoring the fact that Otis was dead no matter what the second Shane made his decision. And it's the fact Shane was willing to sacrifice someone to save his own life that makes it such a significant moment in the show's history and clearly with regard to his character.