***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Walton Goggins]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

Shoot him in the head and he's dead/still. Need him alive and diverting as much attention from you as possible. Need him to scream, yell, move around, etc. Shooting in the head he's still and dead which may not draw every zombie to him while you are walking away.

 

[Mad Strategist]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

Shane had a severe limp from spraining his ankle and the pack of zombies was gaining on him. He knew he had to buy as much time as possible or he was going to die. If half the zombies stop to eat Otis and the other half continue chasing Shane, then Shane is screwed. If he shoots Otis in the head, then Otis drops to the ground still, quiet, and lifeless. Maybe some zombies stop to eat, maybe some would rather chase the limper. Wounding Otis, not killing him, was the only way to ensure an adequate enough distraction. The ENTIRE swarm of zombies was attracted to the screams and writhing of Otis. Shane's survival instinct kicked in. It was really the ONLY way he could ensure his survival.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

 

[shadyridr]

shane is a good actor. rick not so much

 

[stbugs]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Agreed. If he doesn't do that, they are likely both dead. It will torment him, but pretty sure this isn't the reason he could become an enemy. When the group decides to leave without Sophia (she better be gone), it doesn't mean they went to the dark side, it means they had to do it to survive.Also, I agree with the posts above. Killing Otis with a head shot likely doesn't get the herd 100% on him and off Shane. The joggers behind the initial line might not even notice the roast beef sammy without the screaming.

 

[mad sweeney]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

True, but then we wouldn't have "Shane is going to the Dark side" angle Previews next week are setting up someone getting some... Will it be Shane or Rick..

Oh, I think Shane doing the exact same thing, only shooting him in the head instead, is still a gigantic leap to the dark side. Shooting him in the leg is just out of character for any of the group. It's just plain cold blooded.

 

[mad sweeney]

Got bitFever hitWorld gone to ####Might as well quit. Shooting Otis in the leg was the right play. Z's love the living/warm flesh. If he's dead it might not hold their interest as long.Darryl is the man. Loved his 'I was lost in the woods, didn't hurt me none' story. 'Walked right in and made me a sandwich'... Previews of next week have him walking into an abandoned farm house with something happening. Seems too pat to have him find Sophia there (though like others I wish they would hurry the hell up on that). Wonder if he finds Meryl in there?

He'd be dead for about 1.5 seconds before the zombies fell on him. He won't be a billionth of a degree colder than a living guy. He'd be just as tasty for just as long. We've seen the Zs munching contentedly on dead things before, they even ate the leg flesh off the hanger, dead Otis is just as effective as live Otis.

 

[mad sweeney]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

Shoot him in the head and he's dead/still. Need him alive and diverting as much attention from you as possible. Need him to scream, yell, move around, etc. Shooting in the head he's still and dead which may not draw every zombie to him while you are walking away.

All the dead were behind them. A meal's a meal and they'll settle for that instead of one that's hobbling away. Plus Shane would'nt have had to waste time wrestling the pack away from him.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

True, but then we wouldn't have "Shane is going to the Dark side" angle Previews next week are setting up someone getting some... Will it be Shane or Rick..

Oh, I think Shane doing the exact same thing, only shooting him in the head instead, is still a gigantic leap to the dark side. Shooting him in the leg is just out of character for any of the group. It's just plain cold blooded.

Cold blooded would have been Shane shooting Otis when they had plenty of ammo left and were in no immediate danger. He did say "Sorry buddy" or something similar and needed Otis alive for the zombies to fixate on him, if not, then Shane is also dead and the boy as a result would be dead as well. When Shane got back you could tell by how he acted that shooting Otis troubled him. If he was cold blooded he wouldn't have even thought about what he did while shaving his head.

 

[mad sweeney]

You guys are a bunch of enablers. No reason not to shoot him in the head other than cruelty. Especially since Otis just saved him a few minutes earlier. I also doubt that Shane reasoned through the problem so deeply that he decided he needed Otis screaming, not just dead. We see the zombies all reacting to each other all the time, the zombies would stop and find out what there is for supper. Plus, like I said, live Otis fights over the backpack and it's only cinematic license that gives Shane enough time to fight with him over it and still get away.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

Shoot him in the head and he's dead/still. Need him alive and diverting as much attention from you as possible. Need him to scream, yell, move around, etc. Shooting in the head he's still and dead which may not draw every zombie to him while you are walking away.

All the dead were behind them. A meal's a meal and they'll settle for that instead of one that's hobbling away. Plus Shane would'nt have had to waste time wrestling the pack away from him.

Sorry but Shane didn't go to the dark side and did the right thing. Also it's probably tougher to shoot someone in the head point blank unless you really were cold blooded which Shane isn't.

 

[mad sweeney]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

True, but then we wouldn't have "Shane is going to the Dark side" angle Previews next week are setting up someone getting some... Will it be Shane or Rick..

Oh, I think Shane doing the exact same thing, only shooting him in the head instead, is still a gigantic leap to the dark side. Shooting him in the leg is just out of character for any of the group. It's just plain cold blooded.

Cold blooded would have been Shane shooting Otis when they had plenty of ammo left and were in no immediate danger. He did say "Sorry buddy" or something similar and needed Otis alive for the zombies to fixate on him, if not, then Shane is also dead and the boy as a result would be dead as well. When Shane got back you could tell by how he acted that shooting Otis troubled him. If he was cold blooded he wouldn't have even thought about what he did while shaving his head.

Oh, I missed it when he said "Sorry". My bad, it's ok then.

 

[Walton Goggins]

You guys are a bunch of enablers. No reason not to shoot him in the head other than cruelty. Especially since Otis just saved him a few minutes earlier. I also doubt that Shane reasoned through the problem so deeply that he decided he needed Otis screaming, not just dead. We see the zombies all reacting to each other all the time, the zombies would stop and find out what there is for supper. Plus, like I said, live Otis fights over the backpack and it's only cinematic license that gives Shane enough time to fight with him over it and still get away.

We've explained why it wasn't cruel already.

 

[mad sweeney]

You guys are a bunch of enablers. No reason not to shoot him in the head other than cruelty. Especially since Otis just saved him a few minutes earlier. I also doubt that Shane reasoned through the problem so deeply that he decided he needed Otis screaming, not just dead. We see the zombies all reacting to each other all the time, the zombies would stop and find out what there is for supper. Plus, like I said, live Otis fights over the backpack and it's only cinematic license that gives Shane enough time to fight with him over it and still get away.

We've explained why it wasn't cruel already.

No, you've explained your theories, which I don't buy.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Still arguing, with ms right in the center of it telling everyone how it really ought to be. Shocking, I tell you!

Great episode. All sort of ethical questions surface with Shane shooting Otis in the leg. Well done.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

True, but then we wouldn't have "Shane is going to the Dark side" angle Previews next week are setting up someone getting some... Will it be Shane or Rick..

Oh, I think Shane doing the exact same thing, only shooting him in the head instead, is still a gigantic leap to the dark side. Shooting him in the leg is just out of character for any of the group. It's just plain cold blooded.

Cold blooded would have been Shane shooting Otis when they had plenty of ammo left and were in no immediate danger. He did say "Sorry buddy" or something similar and needed Otis alive for the zombies to fixate on him, if not, then Shane is also dead and the boy as a result would be dead as well. When Shane got back you could tell by how he acted that shooting Otis troubled him. If he was cold blooded he wouldn't have even thought about what he did while shaving his head.

Oh, I missed it when he said "Sorry". My bad, it's ok then.

If I'm cold blooded, cruel, and "turned to the dark side Darth style" then I'm not saying sorry and I'm not even troubled in what I've done. Otis was a fat hobbled man, no way he would have gotten away since they ran out of ammo. Don't kill him, let the zombies feast on a screaming human and that is about the only way you will be able to get away hobbled and out of ammo.

 

[Walton Goggins]

You guys are a bunch of enablers. No reason not to shoot him in the head other than cruelty. Especially since Otis just saved him a few minutes earlier. I also doubt that Shane reasoned through the problem so deeply that he decided he needed Otis screaming, not just dead. We see the zombies all reacting to each other all the time, the zombies would stop and find out what there is for supper. Plus, like I said, live Otis fights over the backpack and it's only cinematic license that gives Shane enough time to fight with him over it and still get away.

We've explained why it wasn't cruel already.

No, you've explained your theories, which I don't buy.

ok

 

[Dr. Awesome]

On one side of the argument we have Mad Sweeney. On the other side of the argument we have Goggins and Bronco Billy.

Still have the episodes on my DVR but haven't watched them. Worth catching up?

 

[mad sweeney]

On one side of the argument we have Mad Sweeney. On the other side of the argument we have Goggins and Bronco Billy. Still have the episodes on my DVR but haven't watched them. Worth catching up?

Yeah, it was a better episode than most. Though having read this it might take some of the suspense out of it for you.

 

[Walton Goggins]

On one side of the argument we have Mad Sweeney. On the other side of the argument we have Goggins and Bronco Billy. Still have the episodes on my DVR but haven't watched them. Worth catching up?

I would, then again, last episode was the first time I had to fast forward in the scenes with cop, wife and their son. There's only so many crying / "let me tell you about a story I've told 1000 time before" filler I could take. Looking for daughter and definitely Shane/Otis were the main attractions to watch.

 

[roadkill1292]

On one side of the argument we have Mad Sweeney. On the other side of the argument we have Goggins and Bronco Billy. Still have the episodes on my DVR but haven't watched them. Worth catching up?

Oh, yeah. Don't let crazy people arguing about ethics stop you from enjoying the show.

 

[mad sweeney]

I liked the episode.

Shane looks like he is turning to the "dark side".

Yeah, but do you think both of them would have made it?

Not a chance, but I had it figured that Otis saved his last bullet for himself and told Shane to go on, leaving himself behind as zombie food. However, Shane didn't have to shoot him in the ####### leg! That's fracking cold blooded. At least put it in his head so he didn't have to get eaten alive! That turns a somewhat understandable situation into adownright evil act. Any sympathy whatsoever for Shane is gone.At least Glenn looks like he's set up for some nookie with the farmer's daughter!

I can't put my finger on it quite yet, but I liked this episode. Moved along quickly, even though it's still the same storyline. A few clunker lines, but there seemed to be a lot more going for it than a lot of the recent episodes.

The hanging zombie was a great touch!

Needed to shoot him in the leg so the zombies could feast on him. Sucks but I can't see what he did was totally wrong. I liked this episode as well

They'd feed on him with a hole in his head too and it wouldn't be irredeemably cruel.

True, but then we wouldn't have "Shane is going to the Dark side" angle Previews next week are setting up someone getting some... Will it be Shane or Rick..

Oh, I think Shane doing the exact same thing, only shooting him in the head instead, is still a gigantic leap to the dark side. Shooting him in the leg is just out of character for any of the group. It's just plain cold blooded.

Cold blooded would have been Shane shooting Otis when they had plenty of ammo left and were in no immediate danger. He did say "Sorry buddy" or something similar and needed Otis alive for the zombies to fixate on him, if not, then Shane is also dead and the boy as a result would be dead as well. When Shane got back you could tell by how he acted that shooting Otis troubled him. If he was cold blooded he wouldn't have even thought about what he did while shaving his head.

Oh, I missed it when he said "Sorry". My bad, it's ok then.

If I'm cold blooded, cruel, and "turned to the dark side Darth style" then I'm not saying sorry and I'm not even troubled in what I've done. Otis was a fat hobbled man, no way he would have gotten away since they ran out of ammo. Don't kill him, let the zombies feast on a screaming human and that is about the only way you will be able to get away hobbled and out of ammo.

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?

Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?

Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Agreed. If he doesn't do that, they are likely both dead. It will torment him, but pretty sure this isn't the reason he could become an enemy. When the group decides to leave without Sophia (she better be gone), it doesn't mean they went to the dark side, it means they had to do it to survive.Also, I agree with the posts above. Killing Otis with a head shot likely doesn't get the herd 100% on him and off Shane. The joggers behind the initial line might not even notice the roast beef sammy without the screaming.

I imagine they would all join in on the feeding frenzy, but you can't be too sure.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Shane is losing his humanity, which is a central theme in most classic zombie movies. The characters are trying to find their moral compass; in fact Daryl seems to be be only character that does not have this ambivalence about himself. I am liking Daryl more every episode. I just wonder what is going to happen when his brother shows back up.

 

[Sconch]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"?

He and T-Dog are going to hook up.

 

[stbugs]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Agreed. If he doesn't do that, they are likely both dead. It will torment him, but pretty sure this isn't the reason he could become an enemy. When the group decides to leave without Sophia (she better be gone), it doesn't mean they went to the dark side, it means they had to do it to survive.Also, I agree with the posts above. Killing Otis with a head shot likely doesn't get the herd 100% on him and off Shane. The joggers behind the initial line might not even notice the roast beef sammy without the screaming.

I imagine they would all join in on the feeding frenzy, but you can't be too sure.

Maybe, and that is the problem. Fat boy was going down, but going down screaming made it a certainty that all the zombies would eat him. Shane was just playing the odds. No bullets and two of them trying to get away was going to end up with 2 dead, no bullets and leaving a lifeless Otis is a maybe guaranteed way for Shane to get away, no bullets and a screaming Otis is a guaranteed way for Shane to get away. Seems like a no brainer.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

 

[stbugs]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Shane is losing his humanity, which is a central theme in most classic zombie movies. The characters are trying to find their moral compass; in fact Daryl seems to be be only character that does not have this ambivalence about himself. I am liking Daryl more every episode. I just wonder what is going to happen when his brother shows back up.

I like Daryl as well and agree with you. He is human in that I think he will help other people, but he isn't wishy washy. He wants to survive and wants the others to survive. He clearly sees the zombies as the enemy. I do think they are going there with Shane, but I hope it is because of his overall character, not killing Otis in the only way to save at least one of them and save Carl. That is one of those, had to do what he had to do. Sure, it sucks, but I am pretty sure he only sacrificed Otis as his last resort. While Otis didn't like it, there was no way both of them make it out alive at that point.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.



Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

 

[stbugs]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

I didn't see that. Was that in the preview at the end of the show? Seems like it would be an easy tale to tell. Heck, I would start from the beginning, tell him how Otis came back and they were being chased and Otis got grabbed and that the herd went in on him and that allowed Shane to get away. Unless you are an extremely bad liar, that is an easy tale to tell. I wouldn't even go into any detail on Otis getting eaten, just say they got him when they ran out of ammo.I like the show, but unless it is really important to some arc in the original comics, I hope this doesn't become a lingering thing. I have no issues with the pacing and what the zombies can or can't do, but trying to turn this into a bad thing that Shane did versus a had to do to survive would be annoying. Lori is my least favorite person on the show, so if she starts a witch hunt, it will suck even more to me.

 

[Flyin Pigs]

My first concern with a leg shot vs a head shot was that Otis still has one round left. I don't think I'd want to take the chance that he didn't see the wisdom of zombie-baiting him so that Carl and I could live.

And at this point the show should be called "The Jogging Dead".

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?

Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?

Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

I didn't see that. Was that in the preview at the end of the show? Seems like it would be an easy tale to tell. Heck, I would start from the beginning, tell him how Otis came back and they were being chased and Otis got grabbed and that the herd went in on him and that allowed Shane to get away. Unless you are an extremely bad liar, that is an easy tale to tell. I wouldn't even go into any detail on Otis getting eaten, just say they got him when they ran out of ammo.I like the show, but unless it is really important to some arc in the original comics, I hope this doesn't become a lingering thing. I have no issues with the pacing and what the zombies can or can't do, but trying to turn this into a bad thing that Shane did versus a had to do to survive would be annoying. Lori is my least favorite person on the show, so if she starts a witch hunt, it will suck even more to me.

Link to preview of Episode 204

 

[Walton Goggins]

Why are people saying Shane is "going to the dark side"? He did what he had to do and actually seemed to be troubled by it. On another note, is Shane taking HGH, that dude is ripped.

Shane is losing his humanity, which is a central theme in most classic zombie movies. The characters are trying to find their moral compass; in fact Daryl seems to be be only character that does not have this ambivalence about himself. I am liking Daryl more every episode. I just wonder what is going to happen when his brother shows back up.

They all are in some degree but what does that have to do with going to the Dark Siiiiddeeeeeeee Shane was clearly shaken up over what he did and went through with Otis. He made a difficult decision and acted out on it while being chased by zombies, just about out of ammo and limping from a 20 foot fall. It's not as if he had all this free time to act out some cruel horrible plan on Otis.

 

[mad sweeney]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.



Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

Yes, we think he's becoming Vader. . I used that term since someone else did and it fits. It's not meant to be literal.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.

Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

Shane purposely murdered someone (with good reason mind you) but still it was a ******* thing to do.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.

Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

Shane purposely murdered someone (with good reason mind you) but still it was a ******* thing to do.

Shane shot Otis, didn't murder him. Murder would have been shooting him point blank in the face. Shane had no other choice plus they would have never been in this mess if Otis didn't have a wandering eye and ended up shooting the kid.

 

[jamny]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.

Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

Shane purposely murdered someone (with good reason mind you) but still it was a ******* thing to do.

Shane shot Otis, didn't murder him. Murder would have been shooting him point blank in the face. Shane had no other choice plus they would have never been in this mess if Otis didn't have a wandering eye and ended up shooting the kid.

Cold-hearted murder. and Evil.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I hope Shane force chokes Sophia next week.

 

[Sconch]

I hope Shane force chokes Sophia next week.

POTW

 

[mad sweeney]

Sorry, I didn't know there was a rulebook for people becoming cruel and coldblooded. BTW, I said the act was coldbloodedand cruel, not that Shane is 100% coldblooded and cruel. It was a very clear step towards the Dark Side in it's excessive cruelty and I think I showed several points that show why the head is better than the leg. You come back with "dude, he said SORRY". I think I feel safe in my theory.

Shane did what he had to do and clearly wasn't happy about it but to say he is now becoming Darth Vader is pretty laughable or at least I laugh when I hear "Dark Side" being used.

Shane purposely murdered someone (with good reason mind you) but still it was a ******* thing to do.

Shane shot Otis, didn't murder him. Murder would have been shooting him point blank in the face. Shane had no other choice plus they would have never been in this mess if Otis didn't have a wandering eye and ended up shooting the kid.

Yes, Shane murdered him. The bullet wasn't the actual cause of death, but it was a deliberate act that Shane knew would lead directly to death. Arguing otherwise is absolutely asinine. That's like saying putting poison in someone's drink isn't murder because the dead person actually lifted the cup and drank it.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Also, we get the obvious benefit of Carl-zombie later now.

 

[Froglova]

Good episode. I too wish they'd move past Sophia. Odds say she's a walker by now. 12 year old stupid girl in the woods with walkers. Yeah, she should be toast by now. Preview showed that they move away from the highway next week. Put a sign on one of the cars to Sophia.

Tough call for Shane. Someone had to take the bags back for the kid. Fairly clear both couldn't make it.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I hope Shane force chokes Sophia next week.

Guess that's why he really shaved his head, wants that bald Darth look. Next week you'll see him making a mask and black body suit and cape to complete his transformation to the Dark Side

 

[Walton Goggins]

Also, we get the obvious benefit of Carl-zombie later now.

Would have loved seeing an Otis Zombie

 

[Walton Goggins]

So what's your prediction on Sophia, the young girl? Zombie? Not a Zombie? If she is a zombie, bites and eats her mom? Shane finds her and kills her to complete the dark side transformation even though she wasn't turned into a zombie?

 

[packersfan]

Possibly the best episode of the series so far. Gripping, tense and with an outstanding twist. I'm not sure Shane is slipping into the Dark Side as much as he realizes that in this new society previous rules of morality have to go out the window in order to survive. They clearly are presenting two points of view with Rick and Shane. Rick is still clinging to the morals and ethics of the past, believing it's the only way to survive and keep one's sanity intact. Shane is adapting to the new world order and prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and get from Point A to Point B (Point B in this being saving Carl's life). It's up to the viewers to decide which of the two is the better way to survive or if somehow both can survive together. But there's no question what Shane did impacted him greatly. He's a changed man. The shaving of his head was as much about ridding possible "evidence" (his missing chunk of hair) as it was about him shedding his previous skin and re-emerging as this new person.

Outstanding episode.

 

[pantherclub]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

THe farmhouse angle still doesnt sit right with me. The are running lights full blast in the middle of the night without anyone doing a watch. they are walking around without their guns, wouldnt you have a weapon on you at all times?

Why wouldnt Shane and Otis take a crap load of ammo with them. Seems like they only took a few rounds?

The whole Winnebago in the road storyline needs to wrap up. You would think they would keep moving at this point.

The dialogue on this show may be the worst on TV. "He was talking about the deer lori, the deer" Horrible

The dialogue is horrible, it seems so forced.

 

[Froglova]

Obviously they're trying to show that Shane is on the edge. Was it cruel or the only way to help the kid live? Likely both, right?

Besides the fact that shooting him in the leg creates the noise and attracts zombies to fat dude; there is also the fact that Shane can rationalize to himself that he's not technically a murderer. Would you do the same if you were trying to save your kid? Or trying to win Prison Break chick's love as a bonus?

Now we watch to see if he breaks from the stress of all this. Let's hope he does.

I just watched the preview of next weeks episode and Shane is asked by the family to tell of Otis's final moments. It is very clear that Lori (and perhaps Dale) does not buy the story,

I didn't see that. Was that in the preview at the end of the show? Seems like it would be an easy tale to tell. Heck, I would start from the beginning, tell him how Otis came back and they were being chased and Otis got grabbed and that the herd went in on him and that allowed Shane to get away. Unless you are an extremely bad liar, that is an easy tale to tell. I wouldn't even go into any detail on Otis getting eaten, just say they got him when they ran out of ammo.I like the show, but unless it is really important to some arc in the original comics, I hope this doesn't become a lingering thing. I have no issues with the pacing and what the zombies can or can't do, but trying to turn this into a bad thing that Shane did versus a had to do to survive would be annoying. Lori is my least favorite person on the show, so if she starts a witch hunt, it will suck even more to me.

Link to preview of Episode 204

It looked like Dale had some concerns about his story. When you consider that Dale has talked in the past about keeping things tight as society breaks down. Maybe he puts two and two together. He did fake an engine problem so the group wouldn't leave without the girl. Perhaps wisdom in his old age leads him to some conclusions.