Most people probably missed it because it was brief and it makes no sense for them to suddenly have that type of weapon. I mean they could have just used them to blow up the bullet proof cars in the first place and we wouldn't even have needed to go through with this shifty season.I'm confused by this question... They showed the Saviors standing outside the walls aiming some type of LARGE weapon over the fence, and then BOOM.. I never even questioned who
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Carl and the A team had smoke canisters. Why would team Negan use them when they were trying to find people, not hide?
modogg
Footballguy
same here. I thought they talked about how he got some grenades or something a few scenes before this, and this is what he was doing.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I mentioned a couple episodes ago, but the kid playing coral seems to have finally learned some acting chops... a bit ironic that they kill him now.
but speaking of- I really liked his speech over the wall to negan. the general point of it is the problem with what I see in the show- badguys are too goofy caroonishly psychotic and one-dimensional. the writers do go through pains at time to show another side of them which I appreciate, but then they always revert to plot-driving cookoo behavior. but coral nailed that scene, which was fantastically written and performed by coral and negan. somebody else pointed out the punchline, but I really liked everything prior to it too.
there were also a handful of really beautifully shot/framed scenes... even if they were goofily constructed within the storyline: scene in the kingdom with the leader talking with red light/flames a distance behind him silhouetting two flanking buildings- the color of the sky and surrounding was just right wiht the lighting on the guy talking. and even though I think those tunnels are beyond stupid, the closing scene where they're pulling back from coral, rick and michonne was really nice to look at- almost like a chiaroscuro rendering of a pieta in a renaissance church.
but speaking of- I really liked his speech over the wall to negan. the general point of it is the problem with what I see in the show- badguys are too goofy caroonishly psychotic and one-dimensional. the writers do go through pains at time to show another side of them which I appreciate, but then they always revert to plot-driving cookoo behavior. but coral nailed that scene, which was fantastically written and performed by coral and negan. somebody else pointed out the punchline, but I really liked everything prior to it too.
there were also a handful of really beautifully shot/framed scenes... even if they were goofily constructed within the storyline: scene in the kingdom with the leader talking with red light/flames a distance behind him silhouetting two flanking buildings- the color of the sky and surrounding was just right wiht the lighting on the guy talking. and even though I think those tunnels are beyond stupid, the closing scene where they're pulling back from coral, rick and michonne was really nice to look at- almost like a chiaroscuro rendering of a pieta in a renaissance church.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I thought he nailed it.and what are they supposed to do but gush- he grew up on the show, and he's saying goodbye. doubt he sees much work beyond this... but he definitely got better by a ton this season (even if he's no daniel day olivier)
El Floppo
Footballguy
He was pretty weak... Come on.
And maybe lots of people came to the same conclusion based on that... Or right, everybody just copying the others to be cool.
-OZ-
Footballguy
So Rick has a gun, knows where neegan is, has an opportunity to end him (I'm not buying that the saviors stop when he's dead) and he walks away? Dumb.With 10 minutes to go and Rick had a chance to end Negan but didn't, I felt like whoever it was they were going to kill off (or whatever moment where "people would be talking about it"), I didn't care. For the first time (i've watched since day one), I didn't care who was going to get it. Morgan, Darryl, Carl, Michonne, Rick. Carl showing his bite mark.. meh. Felt like Randy Jackson on the Gieco commercial. "I don't know, dog.. I'm just not buying it."
Did I miss Carl getting bit or did they not show it?
El Floppo
Footballguy
apparently it was when he went with saddiq (new guy) on his "clear" scene and got bum-rushed by zombies a few episodes ago.
and at the time, I wrote how weak it was to even include these kind of scenes any more because death-by-zombie is such a lame way to go at this point. oh well.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Soooooo, what did Eugene do? The musical redirects were not his idea. They had already been doing those kinds of things.As the best villain on the show was talking to Maggie you could hear music in the background and he said "Hear that? Eugene did that and that's how we got out" .. seemed obvious to me
The question is, what did eugene do to even give them the ability to get out in the first place.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The plans changed for Maggie. The Villain explained to her that they need her and hilltop to produce for them since the sanctuary has gone to ####.
tommyboy
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I don't rewatch this stuff or rewind, but I thought he said they needed hilltop to produce. not sure why they needed her at all at hilltop, especially given the "bring me the widow" thing.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Otherwise?Everything with Maggie and Hilltop was "weird". 1st they get "trapped", Would have been better off NOT having Maggie see it and declare "It's a Trap!", then the Saviors send no one back to the Hill Top with none with them to keep them in line
Otherwise, I thought this episode was pretty well done. At this point, if you didn't enjoy that episode then yea, it's probably time to find something new to watch.
Opening and closing with montages of close-ups of people staring into middle distance at nothing.
Hey we're almost out of bullets, hey Eugene can you make us more bullets?! Well, I guess we will just have to use these grenade launchers that we have been saving.
Carl! Coooooral!! I can't believe you got bitten, I wish I would have been there for you instead of going off to visit the garbage people for some unknown, unnecessary reason.
Garbage people running away at the first sign of trouble. Hey lets go and try to talk to Oceanside and see if we can get them to help us, maybe even bring them some liquor. What's that? Some people lurking in the dark? - shoots the leader of Oceanside dead.
What was Daryl's plan exactly? To crash the truck into the Sanctuary, let the zombies in AND THEN LEAVE? Not only does the episode not tell us how they escape, but, the characters are so inept they abandon all surveillance of the Sanctuary such that they don't even know what happened.
"Well it seamed like a good idea." So, after the Savior's escape they've got enough forces, weapons and time to get all three camps surrounded.
And this is how it plays out?:1- Hilltop, eh just let'em go?
2- Kingdom, Ninja Zeke distracts the entire group of Saviors by blowing up a barrel?
3- Alexandria, a few smoke bombs so we can disappear into the storm drain? No way anybody will think to look down there, especially since it's the exact spot Carl is standing when he vanished into thin air.
El Floppo
Footballguy
you're ignoring eugene saving the day for sanctuary. somehow. with music and whatnot.tonydead said:What was Daryl's plan exactly? To crash the truck into the Sanctuary, let the zombies in AND THEN LEAVE? Not only does the episode not tell us how they escape, but, the characters are so inept they abandon all surveillance of the Sanctuary such that they don't even know what happened.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Sleeping in their car in the middle of the woods was good shtick tootonydead said:Otherwise?
Opening and closing with montages of close-ups of people staring into middle distance at nothing.
Hey we're almost out of bullets, hey Eugene can you make us more bullets?! Well, I guess we will just have to use these grenade launchers that we have been saving.
Carl! Coooooral!! I can't believe you got bitten, I wish I would have been there for you instead of going off to visit the garbage people for some unknown, unnecessary reason.
Hey lets go and try to talk to Oceanside and see if we can get them to help us, maybe even bring them some liquor. What's that? Some people lurking in the dark? - shoots the leader of Oceanside dead.
What was Daryl's plan exactly? To crash the truck into the Sanctuary, let the zombies in AND THEN LEAVE? Not only does the episode not tell us how they escape, but, the characters are so inept they abandon all surveillance of the Sanctuary such that they don't even know what happened.
So, after the Savior's escape they've got enough forces, weapons and time to get all three camps surrounded.
1- Hilltop, eh just let'em go?
2- Kingdom, Ninja Zeke distracts the entire group of Saviors by blowing up a barrel?
3- Alexandria, a few smoke bombs so we can disappear into the storm drain? No way anybody will think to look down there, especially since it's the exact spot Carl is standing when he vanished into thin air.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well when you put it like that...tonydead said:Otherwise?
Opening and closing with montages of close-ups of people staring into middle distance at nothing.
Hey we're almost out of bullets, hey Eugene can you make us more bullets?! Well, I guess we will just have to use these grenade launchers that we have been saving.
Carl! Coooooral!! I can't believe you got bitten, I wish I would have been there for you instead of going off to visit the garbage people for some unknown, unnecessary reason.
Hey lets go and try to talk to Oceanside and see if we can get them to help us, maybe even bring them some liquor. What's that? Some people lurking in the dark? - shoots the leader of Oceanside dead.
What was Daryl's plan exactly? To crash the truck into the Sanctuary, let the zombies in AND THEN LEAVE? Not only does the episode not tell us how they escape, but, the characters are so inept they abandon all surveillance of the Sanctuary such that they don't even know what happened.
So, after the Savior's escape they've got enough forces, weapons and time to get all three camps surrounded.
1- Hilltop, eh just let'em go?
2- Kingdom, Ninja Zeke distracts the entire group of Saviors by blowing up a barrel?
3- Alexandria, a few smoke bombs so we can disappear into the storm drain? No way anybody will think to look down there, especially since it's the exact spot Carl is standing when he vanished into thin air.
Seriously, its like they skipped an entire full episode to explain all this
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think the lunacy of this show and this past episode has been pretty much thoroughly documented today but I have to add a few just plot holes and general lol's.
1. Why is only one of the saviors hands tight up in the pen? Seems a bit odd.
2. At this point why wouldnt Maggie just kill em all?
3. Why didnt Carl and company just get on those platforms and just lay waste to Negan and co?
4. Whats the point of the islam guy?
5. Wouldnt the traitor savior be at risk for driving straight into an ambush?
6. Speaking of Daryls ambush why wouldnt you be set up on both sides of the road?
7. WTF was that entire deal with OCeanside and the stupid banter between them in the car.
8. So did the GBK just tuck and run and thats the end of it? stupid writing
9. Why in the holy hell wouldnt you spend the first 5-10 minutes showing how they escaped and how they got weapons and their plans for the communities.
10. So the king just wants to be taken? Da fuq
I am not sure a good show would just leave so many open ended questions like this.
1. Why is only one of the saviors hands tight up in the pen? Seems a bit odd.
2. At this point why wouldnt Maggie just kill em all?
3. Why didnt Carl and company just get on those platforms and just lay waste to Negan and co?
4. Whats the point of the islam guy?
5. Wouldnt the traitor savior be at risk for driving straight into an ambush?
6. Speaking of Daryls ambush why wouldnt you be set up on both sides of the road?
7. WTF was that entire deal with OCeanside and the stupid banter between them in the car.
8. So did the GBK just tuck and run and thats the end of it? stupid writing
9. Why in the holy hell wouldnt you spend the first 5-10 minutes showing how they escaped and how they got weapons and their plans for the communities.
10. So the king just wants to be taken? Da fuq
I am not sure a good show would just leave so many open ended questions like this.
Not a chance. I find it hilarious. Plus it will be a thousand times better just sans Cooooral.
shadyridr
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I thought he was weak until this year... but the writing is WAY weaker than his acting, and that doesn't appear to be going anywhere.
snogger
Footballguy
I get you have invested time after this many years.. But some of you seem to be so frustrated by some of the "smallest" details, or not paying much attention and then asking WTF??, that I wonder why you would put yourself through the frustration week after week.
The show is what it is... The writers, directors and producers are not going anywhere. If last nights episode was not good( Probably one of the best in 2 seasons for me) for you then I'd recommend cutting the cord now and reduce some of the stress it is apparently giving you.
Or maybe that is why you watch.. it is the only anguish you have in life
The show is what it is... The writers, directors and producers are not going anywhere. If last nights episode was not good( Probably one of the best in 2 seasons for me) for you then I'd recommend cutting the cord now and reduce some of the stress it is apparently giving you.
Or maybe that is why you watch.. it is the only anguish you have in life
snogger
Footballguy
You didn't add anything, other then in red inside his post, so when I try to quote your post I get a blank screen so I improvised
El Floppo
Footballguy
we watch because we've been fans. we'll stop watching when we stop being fans (getting close for me- I'll probably watch the premiere and then play it by ear until the finale).I get you have invested time after this many years.. But some of you seem to be so frustrated by some of the "smallest" details, or not paying much attention and then asking WTF??, that I wonder why you would put yourself through the frustration week after week.
The show is what it is... The writers, directors and producers are not going anywhere. If last nights episode was not good( Probably one of the best in 2 seasons for me) for you then I'd recommend cutting the cord now and reduce some of the stress it is apparently giving you.
Or maybe that is why you watch.. it is the only anguish you have in life
El Floppo
Footballguy
You didn't add anything, other then in red inside his post, so when I try to quote your post I get a blank screen so I improvised
eta: oh- nm... thanks. I think.
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snogger
Footballguy
That's just it.. Some of the post lately by some seem to be "I'm not a fan and haven't been for over two years but I hope, and hope and hope some more it will change"..we watch because we've been fans. we'll stop watching when we stop being fans (getting close for me- I'll probably watch the premiere and then play it by ear until the finale).I get you have invested time after this many years.. But some of you seem to be so frustrated by some of the "smallest" details, or not paying much attention and then asking WTF??, that I wonder why you would put yourself through the frustration week after week.
The show is what it is... The writers, directors and producers are not going anywhere. If last nights episode was not good( Probably one of the best in 2 seasons for me) for you then I'd recommend cutting the cord now and reduce some of the stress it is apparently giving you.
Or maybe that is why you watch.. it is the only anguish you have in life
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tommyboy
Footballguy
Yes. I'll keep watching.
But it's gotten worse, full stop.
Compare the production value alone to history channel "Vikings" which is less popular than TWD. Vikings is much more polished. AMC is just milking TWD now
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
This was awful. I guess they thought it would add to the drama? Instead it felt like a bad 1980’s music video.The slow motion, close up faces scrolling was the worst part of this one for me.
snogger
Footballguy
Vikings - Based "loosely" on History, better materiel to work with.
Walking Dead - Based mainly on a Comic book, material to work with is less then that of actual History...
Now, with the MAJOR departure from the Comic books with Carl, things may change.. But I wouldn't expect miracles.
I wouldn't call it frustrating or stressing, I'd call it comically entertaining. It's highly entertaining to see what mind boggling things the writers put out each week.I get you have invested time after this many years.. But some of you seem to be so frustrated by some of the "smallest" details, or not paying much attention and then asking WTF??, that I wonder why you would put yourself through the frustration week after week.
The show is what it is... The writers, directors and producers are not going anywhere. If last nights episode was not good( Probably one of the best in 2 seasons for me) for you then I'd recommend cutting the cord now and reduce some of the stress it is apparently giving you.
Or maybe that is why you watch.. it is the only anguish you have in life
WTF?Vikings - Based "loosely" on History, better materiel to work with.
Walking Dead - Based mainly on a Comic book, material to work with is less then that of actual History...
Now, with the MAJOR departure from the Comic books with Carl, things may change.. But I wouldn't expect miracles.
They aren't following the comics and a fantasy made up world would be limitless compared to something that even "loosely" follows history.I can't remember. I've seen one review say he was so that it confirms it as a dream. And another that said he wasn't which foreshadows his death. The "dream" sequence is supposed to be explained in the second half of the season.
Lincoln said this is the biggest death they've ever had. Are you kidding me? No one even likes Carl and you killed Glenn, twice!
snogger
Footballguy
I said "Mainly"..WTF?Vikings - Based "loosely" on History, better materiel to work with.
Walking Dead - Based mainly on a Comic book, material to work with is less then that of actual History...
Now, with the MAJOR departure from the Comic books with Carl, things may change.. But I wouldn't expect miracles.
They'd deviated from it.. Daryl, Shane, Andrea and her love interest( If they followed the comic book to the TV show 99% of us would have :X on the love interest ).. and some others, but they have "Mainly" been following the overall story arc..
Then again I stopped reading about the time the Gov got killed and never had any interest in going back in.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
I honest to God think if they killed Rick then the ratings would skyrocket again. People would come back aboard just to see.
The whole negan fight was so absurdly done, just cringeworthy bad.
But the main thing that is grinding my gears is the Oceanside subplot at the beginning. None of that was even remotely close to being interesting or needed. So much wasted time and I have no clue why the writers want to keep secret how negan and the gang go out. Maybe they dont know and just said screw it they wont notice.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Well, since they just killed the kid that eventually takes over in the Comics I think it's fair to say they're off the comics story arc.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
Haven’t caught up since the last ep aired. Assume everyone agrees the show has fallen off the planet?
writing: brutal. Plot: ugh. Carl’s death: #### off. Can’t get worse than that. May be the worst offense of any that have been perpetrated over the last three seasons. Worse than Glen rolling under the magic garbage can.
They are treating us like idiots, people.
Will still watch. While doing something else.
This show is the poster boy for jumping the shark and AMC appears to be in big trouble as far as original content is considered. Not long for this world. Netflix or amazon will likely swallow it up. Hopefully.
writing: brutal. Plot: ugh. Carl’s death: #### off. Can’t get worse than that. May be the worst offense of any that have been perpetrated over the last three seasons. Worse than Glen rolling under the magic garbage can.
They are treating us like idiots, people.
Will still watch. While doing something else.
This show is the poster boy for jumping the shark and AMC appears to be in big trouble as far as original content is considered. Not long for this world. Netflix or amazon will likely swallow it up. Hopefully.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I know it was, just forgot to type mid. It still sucked. Would’ve been decent as a regular season episode.MID season finale.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
This article pretty much sums it all up for me. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/11/theres-only-one-way-to-save-the-walking-dead-now-and-it-isnt-pretty/amp/
