SacramentoBob
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Shane died of natural causes right then and there. Andrea's sister got bit and didn't die until morning.
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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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snogger
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Good posting above.. my thought is that up until this episode Rick was under the assumption that everyone was infected, but only became a Walking dead if bitten by another Zombie.
His reaction when they found the Security guards dead, but not bitten started the thought process.
Daryl finding Randall dead by a broken neck, and no scratches/bites proceeded Shane becoming a Zombie from a knife wound.
Once Daryl and Rick talk, they will realize that you just have to die to become a Walking dead, which will start a whole new path.
cstu
Footballguy
Is life now pointless? The only difference in their world is that instead of kissing grandma on the forehead after she dies you put a metal spike through it. I think I'd be to paranoid so sleep in the same room with anybody though.
beer 30
Footballguy
I was under the impression that the final scene, as Rick sat on top of dead Shane, he was waiting for him to turn to make sure it was true and then kill him. The little ##### Carl ruined it again by showing up and Rick went from badass Rick to ##### Rick with feelings trying to console his kid and explain what happened. Carl got more stones than Rick at this point, boy growing up to be a stone cold killer.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Which 16?
babydemon90
Footballguy
that was my thought - if he had walked away and left him there, could make the argument he didn't know. But he stayed there and waited - just that Carl came over at the wrong time. Rick hadn't actually SEEN anyone not bit yet come back, so might have still been skeptical.
Usual21
Footballguy
The best 16. DUH!
cstu
Footballguy
That was the zombie pimp season, right?The best 16. DUH!
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
What ideas? I think I may have missed this.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Im pretty confident that being stabbed in the heart isnt death by natural cause...and The sister was bit in the neck and bled out fairly fast as did shane.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I have a feeling they will weed out the herd pretty good next episode...lots of gory deaths so they can introduce some new people next season.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
His heart stopped beating. That's as natural as it comes.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
The only one from the farm family I want saved is Maggie.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
After a close call with a walker who rips her shirt to shreds.
Copeman
Footballguy
I imagine the opening scene for next week will be Rick and Carl running for the somewhat safety of the newly fortified house. Daryl and Glenn are still out in the woods. Wonder if they even know/heard whats going on?
On second thought, maybe Rick and Carl make it to the windmill and climb it. Either way, should be fun tv.
On second thought, maybe Rick and Carl make it to the windmill and climb it. Either way, should be fun tv.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
If Rick knew this then why didn't he tell Shane when they found the zombie security guards with no scratches, seems like a valuable pieces of information; I could understand not telling everyone because some people might see it as a reason to give up - but not Shane.For those who love T-Dog, there is hope
For those who didn't think Rick knew everyone was infected, I'd say enough evidence has been presented to show that he was at least very aware of the possibility. He shot the Philly barstools in the head. He waited around for Shane to turn. And as far as the hanging, if you thought someone would turn after death, is there a better way to verify than hanging? If Randall does turn, he's still hanging and can't attack anyone. I believe Rick didn't want to believe it but wanted some verification. He got it with Shane. Now he has to tell everyone.
As for Carl and the nice shot. I'd say the scene with the zombie last week prepared him for his run in with zombie Shane this week. He saw what happened to Dale when he didn't react. He knew what would happen to Rick if he didn't react. Carl is a very important character to the show. He is the one character that never really grew up in a zombie free world. He is going to bring a different dynamic to character development. He could never understand a Dale argument. He's growing up around death daily. It's going to shape the man he becomes. And he's becoming that faster with each encounter.
he used a hammer last night in the opening scenes. Maybe he is becoming Tyreese?
As for Carl and the nice shot. I'd say the scene with the zombie last week prepared him for his run in with zombie Shane this week. He saw what happened to Dale when he didn't react. He knew what would happen to Rick if he didn't react. Carl is a very important character to the show. He is the one character that never really grew up in a zombie free world. He is going to bring a different dynamic to character development. He could never understand a Dale argument. He's growing up around death daily. It's going to shape the man he becomes. And he's becoming that faster with each encounter.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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I am trying to keep my hopes in check (i would not want to be disappointed), but next week should be great.I imagine the opening scene for next week will be Rick and Carl running for the somewhat safety of the newly fortified house. Daryl and Glenn are still out in the woods. Wonder if they even know/heard whats going on?On second thought, maybe Rick and Carl make it to the windmill and climb it. Either way, should be fun tv.
jplvr
Footballguy
I don't know... maybe the fact he just burnt his wife to a crisp after working her DNA over for a cure for quite a while. He only had one purpose left and that purpose was gone.
snogger
Footballguy
As I mentioned above, I believe the CDC guy told him everyone was infected, but up until the Security Guards and now Shane, Rick believed the only way you became "The Walking Dead" was being killed by one of them. Now that he knows a person just has to die to become one it will change how he reacts from here on out. The only question is if he lets the entire group in on the secret now or not. 
badmojo1006
Footballguy
I did like that pairing of Daryl and Glen. At first Glen was nervous, but he plowed that knife right into Randall skullI imagine the opening scene for next week will be Rick and Carl running for the somewhat safety of the newly fortified house. Daryl and Glenn are still out in the woods. Wonder if they even know/heard whats going on?On second thought, maybe Rick and Carl make it to the windmill and climb it. Either way, should be fun tv.
jplvr
Footballguy
Basically, this whole season would have been shot in Atlanta, and the girl might be missing about this point or not even yet, but early in next season.
At people still believing Rick knew about everyone being infected. He didn't do anything weird in killing the fat guy, but people saw something there. Now he kills his best friend, and instead of legitimately being upset about it, not only do some people think we shouldn't assume Shane turned quickly, some think the only reason he waited around the body was to test a human-to-zombie mechanic he could've done with some stranger like Carl. Also, it wasn't weird he asked the question to Shane about there being no bite marks on the cops. If it was strange, then why did Daryl mention the same thing to Glen about Carl? I guess Daryl got a whisper too, or maybe I can already figure this one out... Rick told him. SMH
netnalp
Footballguy
CDC may have committed suicide if he knew there was no cure/preventative cure.It can be argued that Rick didn't have time or was having trouble stabbing Shane in the head. But even if you argue that, you can't justify Rick making a noose for Randall in the barn in the episode before this one. If the CDC scientist told Rick that everyone that dies turns into a zombie unless the brain is killed, then he wouldn't have been thinking of hanging Randall, he'd just shoot him in the head. It would bring up too many questions like "Rick, why did you hang him AND shoot him in the head? A little excessive don't you think?"
I was thinking the same thing that Daryl would kill Shane. Daryl definitely knew what Shane did at that point. As much as people seemed to like Shane, I am glad he is gone as well. Glad to see that dynamic (mutiny) gone for the time being.I think Rick took a chance because he is a good guy and thought that even still, there might be a chance that Shane would realize he was being stupid. That was some of that dynamic that got a little annoying. Its the zombie apocolypse, #### happens, is it really that important who gets to hang with Lori? Seriously, that is the reward? That and an idiot kid and a crying baby?
snogger
Footballguy
Most of us do NOT believe that he was told that everyone that dies becomes one..We believe he was told that everyone is infected, but his belief until the last few episodes was that you had to be killed by a one of them to become one of them.
Sure, the secret could have been just that there is no cure.. but that would not be much of a shock.
Being told that everyone is infected AND that there was no cure makes a lot more sense.
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Rick may mention it next week since I thought they told us that we would know this season what the CDC guy whispered. Rick may have done the noose thinking about using that to tell everyone that they are infected and will turn when dead, but we don't know if he was even planning on the noose. He was going to shoot Randall when his son walked in on them. The noose may have just been a red herring for him to think about what he should do.
Maybe, but if he told Rick that everyone was infected, wouldn't the video of his wife dying show that upon death she became a zombie. I don't think the doc mentioned his wife was bitten. That said, Rick had still never seen it happen, so he probably didn't know all the scenarios until now.One question. We saw them look at those cops (when dropping off Randall at the school) and say they weren't bitten, but how did those cops die? If they turned, shouldn't they have been walkers? Were they shot and just in so good a shape that they wondered how they were turned?Most of us do NOT believe that he was told that everyone that dies becomes one..We believe he was told that everyone is infected, but his belief until the last few episodes was that you had to be killed by a one of them to become one of them.
Sure, the secret could have been just that there is no cure.. but that would not be much of a shock.
Being told that everyone is infected AND that there was no cure makes a lot more sense.
snogger
Footballguy
and yes the "spoiler" a few weeks back was that we would learn what the CDC gut whispered to him.Last nights previews had Rick yelling something about he had nothing to feel guilty about, or something along those lines.
I thought maybe it had to do with Shane's Death, but thinking now it will be his response when he lets the group in on the secret.
beer 30
Footballguy
And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?
snogger
Footballguy
good question on the last part.. They had them mention that there were no bites, just scratches, but didn't go into how they died and then turned.. There might have been clues, maybe the lack of food, or something else that you'd have to watch that scene closely to figure outMaybe, but if he told Rick that everyone was infected, wouldn't the video of his wife dying show that upon death she became a zombie. I don't think the doc mentioned his wife was bitten. That said, Rick had still never seen it happen, so he probably didn't know all the scenarios until now.One question. We saw them look at those cops (when dropping off Randall at the school) and say they weren't bitten, but how did those cops die? If they turned, shouldn't they have been walkers? Were they shot and just in so good a shape that they wondered how they were turned?Most of us do NOT believe that he was told that everyone that dies becomes one..We believe he was told that everyone is infected, but his belief until the last few episodes was that you had to be killed by a one of them to become one of them.
Sure, the secret could have been just that there is no cure.. but that would not be much of a shock.
Being told that everyone is infected AND that there was no cure makes a lot more sense.
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snogger
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And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?
I think that goes back to the Swamp drying up and the river being low. Up until this point they were kept at bay with the Swamp and the river, but now they were able to cross into the woods.
And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?
There have always been walkers pretty close (they caught a bunch of them and showed it), but they could never get through the swamp and Herschel mentioned the swamp drying up. Not sure how close the barn is, but I would have thought some walkers would have heard the massacre, but again they could have been stuck and killed during the time that has passed. That said, it isn't always easy to know exactly where a gun shot came from if it is very far away, so maybe Carl's shot was close enough to really get a herd going and now they can get to the farm.Herd wandering close by, drawn in by sound of shots. Riverbed dried up.And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?
netnalp
Footballguy
I think Hershel dies but he'll take the farmhouse with him either explosion or fire. He'll be willing to die but it'll be in a way that he doesn't turn into a zombie. Suicide with a gun shot doesn't seem the way he'd go.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Yes, this will al be put to rest when we find out what the CDC guy told Rick in the finale.
TVLINE:Shane turning into a zombie in the end pretty much confirms that everyone’s already infected. Can you confirm that that’s what Jenner whispered in Rick’s ear?KIRKMAN:[Hesitates] Well, I can’t confirm that. But what I can say is that Shane turning after being stabbed definitely does inform Rick revealing what Jenner whispered, in the next episode.TVLINE: So we’ll finally find out what he whispered in next week’s finale?KIRKMAN:Yes.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
If Carl heard the shot, I'm sure Daryl and Glenn did. Two gunshots in total on a quiet night.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
Those were the zombie cops that Rick and Shane knifed in the face through the fence.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
This doesn't make any sense. What does being infected mean, if not that you turn into a walker when you die?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Rainbows and ponies all the way.
snogger
Footballguy
Thought process from the side of Rick who is just a sheriff with no scientific background.. He was told that everyone was infected, but nothing else in regards to how you become a Walker.. He thought The virus needs something other than dieing to become "Active"..If you died from the bite, the infection would grow making you a Walker. But dieing naturally( not by a walker) wouldn't "activate" the virus to the point where you became a WalkerAgain, just what I'm going off of from his reactions to others that have died. Haven't read the comics or any spoilers so most of us won't know for sure until next week.
netnalp
Footballguy
Copeman
Footballguy
Since the zombies will eat anything they catch, it only makes sense that people can get the "disease" in other ways (already have it), since it would seem weird that the only way people can be infected would be a bite. I mean, all these people couldn't have become zombies on bites alone.
How many people are gonna be bitten and just escape?
How many people are gonna be bitten and just escape?
Loving the season and the last few episodes in particular. There's an old saying about if you show a gun in Act 1, it must be fired in Act 3. I think they delivered on that in spades last night:
1) Rick put a kill shot in the fat guys goard in the bar after 2 in the chest. At the time I just thought Rick was a no-nonsense cold blooded "can't risk this guy surviving" type decision. We have dialogue about 2 guards not having any bites "only scratches." Rick debates hanging the kid at first (my guess is he thought it was a better way for the kid not to suffer at first, not really thinking about the turning into a zombie angle, then he later rethought that.) Now we get a double dose of broken neck kid coming back with no bites and then Shane coming back after being knifed. To me it is pretty obvious that Rick was broken up about having to kill his best friend and partner, but they also specifically showed quick cut closeups of zombies faces, teeth, eating things, etc. as Rick stared at Shane's body. To me that definitely signifies he was thinking that Shane was coming back and he was waiting to see if it happened. Carl just kind of wondered up at the wrong time (yet again!)
2) The farm was protected by the swamp, they've been there for weeks to months now. Lori mentions asking about moving into the house as the weather is changing and its getting colder. Herschel mentions the cattle breaking down the fences and getting loose (a hole in their defenses.) Carl finds a zombie stuck in the swamp mud (another of the defense mechanisms for the farm.) Takes a while but zombie is able to eventually partially free himself and later makes it onto the property trying to munch on Dale. They go out patrolling checking the fence lines and killing even more zombies that made it onto the property and munching another unfortunate bovine. Herschel mentions the river is low and the swamp is drying up making it easier for them to cross. Surviviors move into the house and their supplies closer in and FINALLY start fortifying the farm house in case of attack. And sure enough... the defenses have finally broken down completely and here comes a herd of zombies!!!
Anyway, loved the scenes in the dark in the forrest. Tons of tension and spookiness, thought there was some great acting from both Rick and Shane as they are sizing each other up on the walk. Shane figures out that Rick doesn't completely buy his story of how the kid escaped and is keeping him in front of him. Rick doesn't want to believe it but eventually realises that Shane plans to kill him. A lot like the scene in the bar, a ton of tension and just when you think Rick is a little slow or kind of a fool, he pulls a fast one on someone threatening him and comes out on top.
Can't wait for next Sunday.
1) Rick put a kill shot in the fat guys goard in the bar after 2 in the chest. At the time I just thought Rick was a no-nonsense cold blooded "can't risk this guy surviving" type decision. We have dialogue about 2 guards not having any bites "only scratches." Rick debates hanging the kid at first (my guess is he thought it was a better way for the kid not to suffer at first, not really thinking about the turning into a zombie angle, then he later rethought that.) Now we get a double dose of broken neck kid coming back with no bites and then Shane coming back after being knifed. To me it is pretty obvious that Rick was broken up about having to kill his best friend and partner, but they also specifically showed quick cut closeups of zombies faces, teeth, eating things, etc. as Rick stared at Shane's body. To me that definitely signifies he was thinking that Shane was coming back and he was waiting to see if it happened. Carl just kind of wondered up at the wrong time (yet again!)
2) The farm was protected by the swamp, they've been there for weeks to months now. Lori mentions asking about moving into the house as the weather is changing and its getting colder. Herschel mentions the cattle breaking down the fences and getting loose (a hole in their defenses.) Carl finds a zombie stuck in the swamp mud (another of the defense mechanisms for the farm.) Takes a while but zombie is able to eventually partially free himself and later makes it onto the property trying to munch on Dale. They go out patrolling checking the fence lines and killing even more zombies that made it onto the property and munching another unfortunate bovine. Herschel mentions the river is low and the swamp is drying up making it easier for them to cross. Surviviors move into the house and their supplies closer in and FINALLY start fortifying the farm house in case of attack. And sure enough... the defenses have finally broken down completely and here comes a herd of zombies!!!
Anyway, loved the scenes in the dark in the forrest. Tons of tension and spookiness, thought there was some great acting from both Rick and Shane as they are sizing each other up on the walk. Shane figures out that Rick doesn't completely buy his story of how the kid escaped and is keeping him in front of him. Rick doesn't want to believe it but eventually realises that Shane plans to kill him. A lot like the scene in the bar, a ton of tension and just when you think Rick is a little slow or kind of a fool, he pulls a fast one on someone threatening him and comes out on top.
Can't wait for next Sunday.
packersfan
Footballguy
Shane has consistently underestimated Rick and it ultimately proved fatal. I think this season has been incredible. So many game-changing moments that have elevated the show to new heights from Shane sacrificing Otis, to the barn massacre and the final Rick-Shane confrontation. Given Shane's vital role in all of those moments it'll be interesting to see where the show goes without him.I also loved seeing Daryl embrace being Rick's new go-to guy. He realized, and said to Rick, that the two of them don't have to see eye-to-eye all the time for their partnership to work. The finale has the makings to be unbelievable.
jplvr
Footballguy
I took the zombie cut away shots to signify what was going on in Shane's mind, not Rick's. That's an arguable point in all of this and could go either way.I don't get any argument about Rick knowing, or else he wouldn't be considering hanging Carl and should have been more careful not to turn his back on Shane if he was actually waiting.I don't glean any info from the conversation about the guards with Shane because Daryl didn't get a whisper and immediately had a similar confusion over what turned Carl.
I don't know if it was here, elsewhere, or both, but I brought this up after the barn killing and the burning of the bodies. There are several reasons for a zombie hoard to be around the farm. They had a massive shoot-out, set a bonfire at dusk right by the house, the cows have destroyed parts of the fence, and the creek done dried up. There was one gun shot the night before to kill Dale, and two last night in Shane's killing. It's not hard to believe zombies have zeroed in on their location.Next week should be great. Maybe we'll get that confirmation about the whisper, but if Rick doesn't share it, it will be impossible for me to believe the secret was anything regarding the infection going forward.
snogger
Footballguy
Most of what I've been saying is based on Rick's response to checking out the security guards. As they searching them he made the comment he couldn't find any bites, only scratches. It seemed to me he was questioning how they could become walkers without any bites.
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jamny
Footballguy
I missed the part where Rick considered hanging his son.
