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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (5 Viewers)

packersfan said:
The only real issue I had with this season was with Andrea. I thought her character was butchered and her actions typically made little sense and were not given any meaningful form of justification until the very end and by then it was too late. I thought the character development for all of the other main characters was quite good. I thought the writing was typically strong and often superb. I have no significant complaints with the show. I wish the finale had been stronger but I still liked it.

If others think the show has slipped that's their opinion. This won't be the first or last show which sees fans begin to lose interest, voice displeasure etc. For me, it remains by far my favorite show on TV. Nothing happened this season that would lead me to feel any other way.
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The way Andrea was treated reminded me of Tasha Yar in Star Trek:The Next Generation. Andrea could have been a strong character, but they muddled her so much, that even at the end she was nothing. Seems like they are making Carol the Andrea from the Comic Books

 
Buckfast 1 said:
Thunderlips said:
packersfan said:
The only real issue I had with this season was with Andrea. I thought her character was butchered and her actions typically made little sense and were not given any meaningful form of justification until the very end and by then it was too late. I thought the character development for all of the other main characters was quite good. I thought the writing was typically strong and often superb. I have no significant complaints with the show. I wish the finale had been stronger but I still liked it. If others think the show has slipped that's their opinion. This won't be the first or last show which sees fans begin to lose interest, voice displeasure etc. For me, it remains by far my favorite show on TV. Nothing happened this season that would lead me to feel any other way.
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She's a woman. Her motives and actions made perfect sense. If you take the character from the beginning...she's nothing more than a follower....a person easily swayed by a more powerful personality. She was going to kill herself because another woman wanted to. She was a disicple of Dale for awhile. Shane turned her on and she got faux tough. She hooked up with Michonne and immediately became her #####. And when The Governor threw her some lumber....she became a Real Housewife of Woodbury......all the while she's playing the "mamby-pamby" Civil Rights lawyer(which she was before) angle that there is no black and white...only grey in regards to choosing sides and having to see people get got. I think the problem with the character is that is seems like the creators/writers are/were trying too hard to project her as a character that we should have sympathy for. She's nothing but a #### up.
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I agree with this. What was Andrea supposed to do? I think people underestimate the attraction of a safe functioning town in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. Her best case scenario for survival was to convince the Governor to leave Rick's crew alone and to maintain her favored position at Woodbury. That is exactly what she did.
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What she is supposed to do, is be the character she was supposed to be - they literally butchered her character, they made a completely different character and called her Andrea.She was a strong capable woman, hardened from having to kill her sister, hardened from becoming intimate with Dale in a moment of weakness and then watching him die and having to kill him to.

A lawfully good woman who eventually becomes the female Rick, and soon after that becomes intimate with Rick - becoming a surrogate mother for Sophia (who's also dead in the show...) and Carl.
 
Copeman said:
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FreeBaGeL said:
Raider Nation said:
Have there been some absurd plots and stories? Sure. But is anyone tuning in expecting Shakespearean writing?
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That's such a copout. No one is expecting Shakespeare. We're just expecting what we were sold

The writing on this show used to be good. .
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I'm going to agree with you....and then disagree with you here.

The writing was never that great in the first place. I think it's been pretty much the same throughout the series.
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Do you normally continue to watch shows with bad writing for three seasons? I think that's a waste of time.
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Thanks.
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packersfan said:
The only real issue I had with this season was with Andrea. I thought her character was butchered and her actions typically made little sense and were not given any meaningful form of justification until the very end and by then it was too late. I thought the character development for all of the other main characters was quite good. I thought the writing was typically strong and often superb. I have no significant complaints with the show. I wish the finale had been stronger but I still liked it.

If others think the show has slipped that's their opinion. This won't be the first or last show which sees fans begin to lose interest, voice displeasure etc. For me, it remains by far my favorite show on TV. Nothing happened this season that would lead me to feel any other way.
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:goodposting: Currently the only show that tops this on my list of Must watch is Vikings on the History channel.

 
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Run It Up said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Thunderlips said:
packersfan said:
The only real issue I had with this season was with Andrea. I thought her character was butchered and her actions typically made little sense and were not given any meaningful form of justification until the very end and by then it was too late. I thought the character development for all of the other main characters was quite good. I thought the writing was typically strong and often superb. I have no significant complaints with the show. I wish the finale had been stronger but I still liked it. If others think the show has slipped that's their opinion. This won't be the first or last show which sees fans begin to lose interest, voice displeasure etc. For me, it remains by far my favorite show on TV. Nothing happened this season that would lead me to feel any other way.
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She's a woman. Her motives and actions made perfect sense. If you take the character from the beginning...she's nothing more than a follower....a person easily swayed by a more powerful personality. She was going to kill herself because another woman wanted to. She was a disicple of Dale for awhile. Shane turned her on and she got faux tough. She hooked up with Michonne and immediately became her #####. And when The Governor threw her some lumber....she became a Real Housewife of Woodbury......all the while she's playing the "mamby-pamby" Civil Rights lawyer(which she was before) angle that there is no black and white...only grey in regards to choosing sides and having to see people get got. I think the problem with the character is that is seems like the creators/writers are/were trying too hard to project her as a character that we should have sympathy for. She's nothing but a #### up.
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I agree with this. What was Andrea supposed to do? I think people underestimate the attraction of a safe functioning town in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. Her best case scenario for survival was to convince the Governor to leave Rick's crew alone and to maintain her favored position at Woodbury. That is exactly what she did.
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What she is supposed to do, is be the character she was supposed to be - they literally butchered her character, they made a completely different character and called her Andrea.She was a strong capable woman, hardened from having to kill her sister, hardened from becoming intimate with Dale in a moment of weakness and then watching him die and having to kill him to.
A lawfully good woman who eventually becomes the female Rick, and soon after that becomes intimate with Rick - becoming a surrogate mother for Sophia (who's also dead in the show...) and Carl.
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I don't doubt that Andrea as a character was a let down from the comic book version, but I have not read the comics. I agree that her character was not particularly useful or interesting in Season 3. I just don't think her actions and motivations in the TV show were particularly irrational, given the circumstances.

 
The thing is - everything was set up for Andrea to play a significant role in Season 3. She was the one character tied to both camps. She knew both leaders and was the one person in a position to help the prison group with intimate knowledge of Woodbury. But once she stayed in Woodbury longer than any rational person would have given what she knew all hope was lost. If Gimple did re-write the finale my guess is it's because he and the other writers (or he and Kirkman) were aware of how badly Andrea had been developed this season and were trying a last-minute attempt to salvage her.

 
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Thunderlips said:
packersfan said:
The only real issue I had with this season was with Andrea. I thought her character was butchered and her actions typically made little sense and were not given any meaningful form of justification until the very end and by then it was too late. I thought the character development for all of the other main characters was quite good. I thought the writing was typically strong and often superb. I have no significant complaints with the show. I wish the finale had been stronger but I still liked it. If others think the show has slipped that's their opinion. This won't be the first or last show which sees fans begin to lose interest, voice displeasure etc. For me, it remains by far my favorite show on TV. Nothing happened this season that would lead me to feel any other way.
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She's a woman. Her motives and actions made perfect sense. If you take the character from the beginning...she's nothing more than a follower....a person easily swayed by a more powerful personality. She was going to kill herself because another woman wanted to. She was a disicple of Dale for awhile. Shane turned her on and she got faux tough. She hooked up with Michonne and immediately became her #####. And when The Governor threw her some lumber....she became a Real Housewife of Woodbury......all the while she's playing the "mamby-pamby" Civil Rights lawyer(which she was before) angle that there is no black and white...only grey in regards to choosing sides and having to see people get got. I think the problem with the character is that is seems like the creators/writers are/were trying too hard to project her as a character that we should have sympathy for. She's nothing but a #### up.
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Exactly. She was weak and stupid. You dont have sympathy generally for weak and stupid unless it like a Rainman type movie. This chick was Eva Braun except with worse judgement
 
andrea was superobnoxious, but she worked fine as a juxtaposition -- don't know if she was originally intended as that, but maybe they wrote that bit in at the end, and it worked fine.

 
cstu said:
Then there's the tiny, unnecessary errors like Rick giving her a gun that doesn't have a safety right after she makes the safety joke (which itself was horrible in that moment) and then having a shell hit the ground on gun that doesn't eject a shell when it's fired.
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Yeah, there were tons of absurd sound affects added in all season.

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
cstu said:
Then there's the tiny, unnecessary errors like Rick giving her a gun that doesn't have a safety right after she makes the safety joke (which itself was horrible in that moment) and then having a shell hit the ground on gun that doesn't eject a shell when it's fired.
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Yeah, there were tons of absurd sound affects added in all season.
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What was wrong with the safety joke??

 
shadyridr said:
So my cousin went to the International Auto Show in NYC last week and said she met an actor who said he was in The Walking Dead. He was black and had dreads. She posted a pic of this actor on her facebook page. This is the pic of the actor she posted.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=michonne&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=582&tbm=isch&tbnid=bOiGhMqa_IfdcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.blastr.com/2012/11/the-walking-dead-star-war.php&docid=1yvTavSLwVMwmM&imgurl=http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/content_panes_media/public/images/the_walking_dead_michonne_3.jpg&w=800&h=800&ei=1nRdUfR0t7bgA9GtgcAH&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=753&vpy=150&dur=125&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=191&ty=124&page=1&tbnh=148&tbnw=144&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:126

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missed this 1st time.

"he"

:lmao:

 
The Walking Dead has promoted Chad Coleman, Sonequa Martin-Green and Emily Kinney to series regular for Season 4, TVGuide.com has learned.

Coleman and Green joined the show during Season 3 as fan-favorite comic book character Tyreese and his sister Sasha, respectively, but were quickly turned away from the survivors in the prison when Rick (Andrew Lincoln) was losing of sanity. In the finale, the duo assisted the group in finding Andrea (Laurie Holden), who died shortly after.

The Walking Dead Postmortem: Robert Kirkman defends major death, teases Season 4

Kinney, who plays Hershel's (Scott Wilson) youngest daughter Beth, has been with the series since Season 2 when Rick's group came across the farm. The character, who's known to sing a tune to pass the time, showed a more vicious side during the season finale when she made her first real zombie kill that the audience has seen.

Additionally, Melissa Ponzio, who portrays Woodbury survivor Karen, will be a recurring guest star in Season 4. As previously announced, David Morrisey, who plays the evil and sadistic Governor, will also return as a series regular.

 
The Ref said:
David Morrisey, who plays the evil and sadistic Governor, will also return as a series regular.
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The Governor responded to the announcement: "Rome was not built in a day. Opposition will come your way, but the harder the battle, you see, the sweeter the victory. You can get it if you really want, but you must try, try and try. You'll succeed at last."

 
tommyboy said:
shadyridr said:
So my cousin went to the International Auto Show in NYC last week and said she met an actor who said he was in The Walking Dead. He was black and had dreads. She posted a pic of this actor on her facebook page. This is the pic of the actor she posted.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=michonne&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=582&tbm=isch&tbnid=bOiGhMqa_IfdcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.blastr.com/2012/11/the-walking-dead-star-war.php&docid=1yvTavSLwVMwmM&imgurl=http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/content_panes_media/public/images/the_walking_dead_michonne_3.jpg&w=800&h=800&ei=1nRdUfR0t7bgA9GtgcAH&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=753&vpy=150&dur=125&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=191&ty=124&page=1&tbnh=148&tbnw=144&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:126

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missed this 1st time."he"

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a silly joke
 
cstu said:
snogger said:
cstu said:
Then there's the tiny, unnecessary errors like Rick giving her a gun that doesn't have a safety right after she makes the safety joke (which itself was horrible in that moment) and then having a shell hit the ground on gun that doesn't eject a shell when it's fired.
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Dang, you have a ton of time on your hands don't you ;) Shell ejecting from a gun that wouldn't eject shells?? WOW.. and my wife thinks I take my shows too seriously. :pokey:
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I didn't notice that myself and saw it pointed out on another board. Even though it's minor why do it when it's so easy to do right?
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The sound was the gun hitting the ground...

 
I just finally caught up with the show, watched five episodes this weekend. Had to avoid this thread until then. I saw inklings of a major character dying in the finale. All I can say is, I was relieved to find out it was only Andrea. Won't really miss her character at all.

 
How The Walking Dead's Third Season Went Wrong

Natalie AbramsApr 8, 2013 02:10 PM ETby Natalie Abrams[Warning: This story contains major spoilers from the third season of The Walking Dead as well as the comic books upon which the AMC series is based.]It's been one week since the dust has settled on The Walking Dead's third season finale and we're still scratching our heads.The AMC series took a bold and surprising turn in the finale by killing off Andrea (Laurie Holden), a beloved comic book character whose TV persona ended up being a polarizing figure to say the least. Andrea's third-season journey and ultimate demise marked one of the biggest departures from Robert Kirkman's graphic novels to date, which made us re-examine some the writers' others decisions with one question in mind: Did The Walking Dead make a mistake with Season 3?The Walking Dead Postmortem: Robert Kirkman defends major death, teases Season 4After a decidedly slower-paced second season, the first half of Season 3 took off with a head of steam. It took our band of survivors to the infamous comic-book setting of the prison and introduced the katana-wielding fan-favorite character Michonne (Danai Gurira) and the town of Woodbury's sadistic dictator The Governor (David Morrissey). Tensions in the idyllic Woodbury quickly grew and culminated with Michonne stabbing The Governor in the eye after killing his zombie daughter. Things were even more intense back at the prison, where Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) and T-Dog (IronE Singleton) died early in the season. As the loss piled up, Rick (Andrew Lincoln) began losing his grip on sanity, which ultimately left the prison group severely outnumbered and weakened. The first eight episodes were unquestionably the show's strongest run since the series began.But the second half of the season, which presumably was building to the two groups — and more specifically The Governor and Rick — finally coming to blows, was pretty much anything but exciting. Instead, more time was spent preparing for war instead of actual fighting, all of which reeked of the writers delaying the inevitable battle as long as they could. (Did AMC not learn from The Killing's mistake?!) Rick and The Governor didn't even come face-to-face until Episode 13, when they met to discuss a peace treaty. (The Governor didn't even use the secretly taped gun under the table!) By the time the finale rolled around and The Governor and his men bumbled around the prison before quickly fleeing, we were wondering what had happened to the war we were promised.The Walking Dead Shocker: Who died in the season finale?We can understand the Dead writers wanting to keep The Governor around — especially considering Morrissey's superb performance, which evolved The Governor from a somewhat-ruthless leader looking out for his people to a completely deranged dictator. (Readers of the comic never saw that progression since The Governor was introduced at the height of his craziness.) The thought of having him out there in the ether, able to attack at any point is interesting, but with Morrissey staying on as a series regular in Season 4, The Governor will once again probably be the big villain next season. Been there, done that.But what's most frustrating about The Governor escaping unscathed is the effect it had on Andrea, who many viewers grew to hate after she squandered every chance to kill her merciless former flame by foolishly hoping for peace. Instead, she was left to die in the torture room after The Governor stabbed Milton (Dallas Roberts) and turned the soon-to-be-zombie loose on Andrea. (Aside: Learning how to pick up pliers with our perfectly pedicured toes is now on our apocalypse preparedness checklist.) After a lot of exposition about why Andrea ended up with this fate — She saw potential in Woodbury! She wanted everyone to live! — Andrea said goodbye to her dear friend Michonne.The problem, of course, is we never really got to see why they were friends. The potential to explore more of that relationship and how it evolved is now wasted. Even more, Andrea had great upcoming comic book story lines with Rick (Warning: comic book spoilers coming), with whom she eventually starts a romantic relationship. We had already been cheated out of certain Andrea story lines — including her sexual relationship with Dale (Jeffrey DeMunn) and how awesome she is with a sniper rifle — so why not mine what was left?The Walking Dead promotes Chad Coleman, Sonequa Martin-Green and more to series regularAll in all, it just seemed like the show sputtered out of creative energy at the end — even to the point that the writers left very little indication of what's to come next. Sure, The Governor is still alive and kicking and several new characters have been upgraded to series regulars next season. And we're a little worried about Rick, who lost a lot of fighters this season. Yes, he gained a slew of new folks from Woodbury, but it's basically all the old folks and the children too young to hold a gun. That means more mouths to feed with fewer people to protect them. And they're apparently going to stay at the prison, that place that's still overrun by zombies and short a few fences and watchtowers. Totally safe, right?Despite the increasing changes from the comics and the breakneck speed at which the series has burned through story lines this season, Kirkman doesn't regret a moment of it. "There's definitely some improvements to be made on how we did things in Season 3, but I don't necessarily regret anything because it's all part of learning and moving forward and trying to make the best show possible," he tells TVGuide.com, noting that he could change his mind on how he feels about this season five months down the line."Knowing what's coming next helps justify a lot of things," he continues. "Moving through the story quickly is something that is essential to this show. You want to keep viewers on their feet. You want to keep telling as much story as possible in each episode and keep the story moving forward at a quick pace. I think that's what the audience wants and that's something that will continue into Season 4. I think we've perfected things a little bit more. The show is a learning process to a certain extent because it's such a different kind of television show."The Walking Dead's Michael Rooker "relieved" by Merle's fateThat learning process will apparently pay off in Season 4, which will be executive-produced by Scott Gimple, who replaces departing showrunner Glen Mazzara... who replaced original showrunner Frank Darabont. Usually, that much turnover wouldn't instill much confidence for a genre series, but the audience doesn't seem to mind. Walking Dead's Season 3 finale delivered an all-time high of 12.4 million viewers and 8.1 million in the adults-18-to-49 demographic, up 36 percent and 31 percent, respectively, from last season's finale. But the question remains whether, after a lackluster ending to a once-promising season, those droves will return for Season 4."I think Season 4 is going to be our best season yet," Kirkman insists. "I think we've finally gotten a handle on how to explore this world in the best way."We certainly hope so.
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Just finished the season. I won't miss Andrea either, but then I didn't know about the other possible storylines about her from comic books either. Wonder if someone else will fill those roles in S4?

 
blend said:
Just finished the season. I won't miss Andrea either, but then I didn't know about the other possible storylines about her from comic books either. Wonder if someone else will fill those roles in S4?
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She isn't an important character in the comics.

 
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