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Official US Women's soccer thread: *** US to host 2031 Women's World Cup! (2 Viewers)

Sinn Fein said:
Much more pressure on the kickers than the keepers.

Kickers are expected to score.  Keepers are not expected to save.
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Maybe in the men's game and against shots like Rapinoe, but a couple of those Dutch shots looked very savable.  Feel free to point out my error, but I think the difference in speed between a male and female PK shot dwarfs the difference in skill between a male and female keeper.

 
BassNBrew said:
Maybe in the men's game and against shots like Rapinoe, but a couple of those Dutch shots looked very savable.  Feel free to point out my error, but I think the difference in speed between a male and female PK shot dwarfs the difference in skill between a male and female keeper.
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Pens are more about placement than speed.  The two saves, were rather poor kicks - both girls looked really nervous before taking them.

I don't have the stats, but I would expect the Pen conversion rate to be similar between men and women.  It would be interesting to find out though.

 
The first question of the coach better mother effin be "Coach, do you understand the rules of offsides and how other teams are using it against you?  Because if not, our rec league us putting on a clinic for U10 coaches this week in Shelbyville where we can teach it to you".

 
Sinn Fein said:
Pens are more about placement than speed.  The two saves, were rather poor kicks - both girls looked really nervous before taking them.

I don't have the stats, but I would expect the Pen conversion rate to be similar between men and women.  It would be interesting to find out though.
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Quick research came up with this:  https://instatsport.com/football/article/penalty_research

Scored:

Men: 75.6%

Women: 73.7%

Saves:
 

Men: 17.8%

Women: 17.6%

The difference is women miss the goal, or his the post, 8.6%, while men are at 6.9%

 
General Malaise said:
The first question of the coach better mother effin be "Coach, do you understand the rules of offsides and how other teams are using it against you?  Because if not, our rec league us putting on a clinic for U10 coaches this week in Shelbyville where we can teach it to you".
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Shelbyville sucks we’ll do it in Springfield 

 
Say what you want about Rapinoe - I’m as critical as anyone - but she shoots a nice clean penalty.  Also shot home the game winner against the Dutch in the last World Cup final. 

 
General Malaise said:
The first question of the coach better mother effin be "Coach, do you understand the rules of offsides and how other teams are using it against you?  Because if not, our rec league us putting on a clinic for U10 coaches this week in Shelbyville where we can teach it to you".
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He needs Coach Beard to help out.  

 
General Malaise said:
The first question of the coach better mother effin be "Coach, do you understand the rules of offsides and how other teams are using it against you?  Because if not, our rec league us putting on a clinic for U10 coaches this week in Shelbyville where we can teach it to you".
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These are professional players that know the rules.  I put the responsibility on them to stay onside.

 
bcat01 said:
These are professional players that know the rules.  I put the responsibility on them to stay onside.
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No disagreement, but then why wasn't this an issue under Ellis?   Nine disallowed goals in four games.  That's egregious.  There should have been at least some sort of adjustment.  

Imagine the Bucs starting off the 2021 season with 9 TDs called back due to offensive penalties in their first four games.  Arians would get roasted for that LONG before the 9th one was called back.  Maybe not a perfect analogy, but gee whiz, the other teams are using this against yours, find a way to make some changes.  

End Rant, US WINS on to Canada and hopefully a rematch with Sweden who I still think is the best team playing right now.  

 
General Malaise said:
No disagreement, but then why wasn't this an issue under Ellis?   Nine disallowed goals in four games.  That's egregious.  There should have been at least some sort of adjustment.  

Imagine the Bucs starting off the 2021 season with 9 TDs called back due to offensive penalties in their first four games.  Arians would get roasted for that LONG before the 9th one was called back.  Maybe not a perfect analogy, but gee whiz, the other teams are using this against yours, find a way to make some changes.  

End Rant, US WINS on to Canada and hopefully a rematch with Sweden who I still think is the best team playing right now.  
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Did they use VAR in the last WC? I don't recall it. 

 
General Malaise said:
The first question of the coach better mother effin be "Coach, do you understand the rules of offsides and how other teams are using it against you?  Because if not, our rec league us putting on a clinic for U10 coaches this week in Shelbyville where we can teach it to you".
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Based on results I doubt this coach is covering himself in glory but his players being offside or having that many goals ruled out really isn't a reflection on him but rather the players.  They know the offside rule and have to do better.  The guy may totally suck otherwise (I really don't know) but I'm not blaming him for players being offside.

 
AAABatteries said:
Based on results I doubt this coach is covering himself in glory but his players being offside or having that many goals ruled out really isn't a reflection on him but rather the players.  They know the offside rule and have to do better.  The guy may totally suck otherwise (I really don't know) but I'm not blaming him for players being offside.
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Disagree.  Buck stops with the person in charge and that's the coach.  I understand he's not the one playing, but this is outrageous and it's absolutely a reflection on him.  Coaches have to accept blame too and I think a lot of this lays at his feet. He can't pull his players over and say "Hey, the other team is luring you offsides.  Knock that crap off, it's killing us".  Maybe he did, but if he did, that certainly didn't get through to players who - you are right - should absolutely know better.  

 
General Malaise said:
Disagree.  Buck stops with the person in charge and that's the coach.  I understand he's not the one playing, but this is outrageous and it's absolutely a reflection on him.  Coaches have to accept blame too and I think a lot of this lays at his feet. He can't pull his players over and say "Hey, the other team is luring you offsides.  Knock that crap off, it's killing us".  Maybe he did, but if he did, that certainly didn't get through to players who - you are right - should absolutely know better.  
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The thing is, typically goals that are disallowed due to offside would have never been a goal if the player was onside to begin with.  I’ll defer to somebody like @El Floppo on this but I don’t see that as a coaching problem nearly as much as the other issues they appear to have.

 
AAABatteries said:
The thing is, typically goals that are disallowed due to offside would have never been a goal if the player was onside to begin with.  I’ll defer to somebody like @El Floppo on this but I don’t see that as a coaching problem nearly as much as the other issues they appear to have.
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I don't know about that, but yeah, I don't know enough about the sport to make an argument.  I'm just going to continue with my scorching hot sports' take because I'm not about to get mad at our girls. :wub:

 
AAABatteries said:
General Malaise said:
Disagree.  Buck stops with the person in charge and that's the coach.  I understand he's not the one playing, but this is outrageous and it's absolutely a reflection on him.  Coaches have to accept blame too and I think a lot of this lays at his feet. He can't pull his players over and say "Hey, the other team is luring you offsides.  Knock that crap off, it's killing us".  Maybe he did, but if he did, that certainly didn't get through to players who - you are right - should absolutely know better.  
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The thing is, typically goals that are disallowed due to offside would have never been a goal if the player was onside to begin with.  I’ll defer to somebody like @El Floppo on this but I don’t see that as a coaching problem nearly as much as the other issues they appear to have.
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It's on the coach a tiny bit if he's having the play a hyper-aggressive attacking style and always trying to break the lines quickly. But the best attackers are going to get caught offsides regularly- it's just their DNA to be on the edge to get an advantage. 

I haven't been watching the women here, but those attackers do tend to be very aggressive- which I like- imo it's mostly on them to make things work and time their runs better.

 
El Floppo said:
It's on the coach a tiny bit if he's having the play a hyper-aggressive attacking style and always trying to break the lines quickly. But the best attackers are going to get caught offsides regularly- it's just their DNA to be on the edge to get an advantage. 

I haven't been watching the women here, but those attackers do tend to be very aggressive- which I like- imo it's mostly on them to make things work and time their runs better.
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Its a combo of things and faults lay everywhere.  Coach wants to play aggressive and may need to reel that in.  However, if Forwards are looking for that pass, 1 of three things happen...

1) Striker goes early and is off.
2) Defense reads it and steps up in unison and she is off.
3) Passer doesn't get the ball off her foot on time and she is off.

9 goals called back is a lot.  And ultimately it is up to the coach to adjust the tactics if this keeps happening.  But its not always his fault, the team does have some responsibility for their runs and passes.

 
One other factor is with the new way the refs are ruling offside late we will definitely see more goals ruled out that may have never even been scored previously by having been blown dead earlier.

 
B Maverick said:
Its a combo of things and faults lay everywhere.  Coach wants to play aggressive and may need to reel that in.  However, if Forwards are looking for that pass, 1 of three things happen...

1) Striker goes early and is off.
2) Defense reads it and steps up in unison and she is off.
3) Passer doesn't get the ball off her foot on time and she is off.

9 goals called back is a lot.  And ultimately it is up to the coach to adjust the tactics if this keeps happening.  But its not always his fault, the team does have some responsibility for their runs and passes.
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At the very least, I'd think someone is watching film (so to speak) and looking for which of those is happening and if there's a trend that can be adjusted for.  

 
AAABatteries said:
One other factor is with the new way the refs are ruling offside late we will definitely see more goals ruled out that may have never even been scored previously by having been blown dead earlier.
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Every goal now seems to get reviewed...which feels new, even for VAR.

 
AAABatteries said:
General Malaise said:
Disagree.  Buck stops with the person in charge and that's the coach.  I understand he's not the one playing, but this is outrageous and it's absolutely a reflection on him.  Coaches have to accept blame too and I think a lot of this lays at his feet. He can't pull his players over and say "Hey, the other team is luring you offsides.  Knock that crap off, it's killing us".  Maybe he did, but if he did, that certainly didn't get through to players who - you are right - should absolutely know better.  
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The thing is, typically goals that are disallowed due to offside would have never been a goal if the player was onside to begin with.  I’ll defer to somebody like @El Floppo on this but I don’t see that as a coaching problem nearly as much as the other issues they appear to have.
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It seems to me the focus should be on the number of times they were flagged for being offside.  Focusing on disallowed goals make sense to me.  The player is either offside or not - whether or not she went on to score a goal because the flag stayed down (due to VAR) seems irrelevant to the question of whether the coach is at fault for not managing the team to deal with a trap or whatever.

 
AAABatteries said:
The thing is, typically goals that are disallowed due to offside would have never been a goal if the player was onside to begin with.  I’ll defer to somebody like @El Floppo on this but I don’t see that as a coaching problem nearly as much as the other issues they appear to have.
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I mean it can be both.  The Dutch were playing a very high line and I'm sure our coach said to try to get behind them.  At least two of the dissallowed goals were off by milliseconds in terms of movement.  

 
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