***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (2 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3

at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I'll start thinking he's the problem when the organization produces a QB other than RGIII who consistently plays well. It's been 20 years. Until then I'll continue to think the problems start at the top.

His 2012 season was the best QB play the organization has seen since Rypien's magical year. You know how many starts they gave him after that season and his torn ACL before throwing him in the dumpster? 18. And he didn't even consistently suck in those 18. He had a passer rating over 90 in 8 of them.

I don't think he was blameless. But almost without exception, elite talent underwhelms when they join this organization, no matter who is coaching or choosing the personnel. At some point it's no longer a coincidence.

How can the Redskins produce another QB other than Griffin who plays well unless they bench Griffin?

And, who was elite or even very good after they left the Skins?

 

[Don Quixote]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3

at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I'll start thinking he's the problem when the organization produces a QB other than RGIII who consistently plays well. It's been 20 years. Until then I'll continue to think the problems start at the top.

His 2012 season was the best QB play the organization has seen since Rypien's magical year. You know how many starts they gave him after that season and his torn ACL before throwing him in the dumpster? 18. And he didn't even consistently suck in those 18. He had a passer rating over 90 in 8 of them.

I don't think he was blameless. But almost without exception, elite talent underwhelms when they join this organization, no matter who is coaching or choosing the personnel. At some point it's no longer a coincidence.

How can the Redskins produce another QB other than Griffin who plays well unless they bench Griffin?

And, who was elite or even very good after they left the Skins?

Trent Green had a very good career.

ETA: And Brad Johnson had some success with the Bucs, after the Skins dumped him for Jeff George.

 

[fatness]

@Tom_Schad: The #Redskins have waived CB Greg Ducre, among others. He is still tied for the team lead in interceptions, with 1.

That's funny...and sad.

It's even better when you know who he's tied with.

The Redskins released cornerback Greg Ducre, whose one interception this season tied him for the team lead, along with linebackers Steve Beauharnais and Everette Brown.

 

[fatness]

How can the Redskins produce another QB other than Griffin who plays well unless they bench Griffin?

Yeah, how can Kirk Cousins produce at QB until they bench Griffin?

Oh, wait.........

OK then, well how can Colt McCoy produce at QB until they bench Griffin?

Oh, wait.........

 

[fatness]

The Redskins currently would hold the 6th pick in the draft, with 3 games left. All 5 teams ahead of (behind) them have 2 wins. The Skins have 3. John Keim rates those teams' chances of winning another game or games

The current top 10: Tampa Bay, Tennessee, Jacksonville, the Jets, Oakland, Washington, the Giants, Carolina, New Orleans and Chicago. Obviously, this can change over the next three weeks -- and keep in mind that tiebreakers are broken by strength of schedule, though in this case the team that had the easier schedule gets the higher pick. Anyway, the Redskins trail the five teams ahead of them by one game so moving up a few spots is possible.

Here’s the remaining schedule for the teams ahead of Washington:

Tampa Bay: At Carolina, Green Bay, New Orleans.
Chance of falling: Moderate. There’s a chance they can win another game because they continue to keep games close (well, except for last Sunday at Detroit). They lost by six the first time around to the Panthers and lost in overtime to the Saints.

Tennessee: New York Jets, at Jacksonville, Indianapolis
Chance of falling: Moderate considering they play two teams with only two wins, with one of them at home.

Jacksonville: At Baltimore, Tennessee, at Houston
Chance of falling: Slim. The Jaguars do host the Titans so that’s their chance. So, in a way, Sunday’s game against the Ravens is a trap game because the Jags could be looking ahead to that key matchup. Yes, I’m joking.

New York Jets: At Tennessee, New England, at Miami
Chance of falling: Moderate. The one winnable game is on the road, but keep in mind they lost to the Patriots and Dolphins in their first meetings by a combined five points. Six of their 11 losses have come by eight points or less.

Oakland: At Kansas City, Buffalo, at Denver
Chance of falling: Slim. They already beat the Chiefs, so sweeping them seems a bit unlikely. The Raiders best shot is beating Buffalo but the Bills have a solid defense.

Washington: At New York Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas
Chance of falling: Slim. Just not playing well, and the Giants are always tough for them on the road. Even though they played the Eagles well the first time and beat Dallas, it’s tough to see those teams slipping up this late. It’s not like the Cowboys have a history of doing so. Yes, more jokes.]

 

[jbz]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3

at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I didn't say he wasn't part of the problem. But let's be real here, Gruden isn't helping this at all is he? He should be playing RG3 until the end of the year. That will accomplish 1 of 2 things if Gruden wants to rid himself of RG3. One, if RG3 excels, it improves his potential trade value, whatever is left of it. Two, if RG3 falls flat on his face, then Gruden can turn to his bosses and say "see we tried, the kid is broken and cannot be fixed". Going with Colt McCoy and throwing RG3 under the bus accomplishes what exactly? Shows RG3 who's the boss? Teaches him a lesson? I'm sure RG3 knows he's been playing like crap too. If we are to take Gruden for his word, he said RG3 is part of the future plans. Well play him then and see what you have. 4 games in Gruden's system with 3 being off an injury isn't much to go on IMO.

 

[fatness]

@Tom_Schad: The #Redskins have waived CB Greg Ducre, among others. He is still tied for the team lead in interceptions, with 1.

That's funny...and sad.

It's even better when you know who he's tied with.

The Redskins released cornerback Greg Ducre, whose one interception this season tied him for the team lead, along with linebackers Steve Beauharnais and Everette Brown.

I read that last one wrong. Beuuharnais and Brown were the other 2 released, not the other team leaders with 1 INT apiece.

Here are the Skins with INT's this year

Trenton Robinson 1

Ryan Clark 1

Greg Ducre 1

Bashaud Breeland 1

Keenan Robinson 1

As a team the Redskins have 5 INT's, which ties them for next-to-last in the NFL. KC has 4.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_INTERCEPTIONS

 

[fatness]

The Redskins are allowing more yards per pass than anyone in the league except Atlanta. Both allow 8.2

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_AVERAGE_YARDS

They have allowed the 3rd most TD passes in the league (28), behind the Jets (29) and the Bears (30)

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_TOUCHDOWNS

The average QB rating against them is 109.8, highest in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

The only fulltime QB in the league with a higher QB rating than 109.8 is Aaron Rodgers, with 119.0

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2014&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&qualified=true

 

[fatness]

Tomorrow night.

Stick with it til the end of the preview.

 

[fatness]

Ravens signed Aldrick Robinson to their practice squad. That's where he shines -- in practice.

 

[Sebowski]

@Tom_Schad: The #Redskins have waived CB Greg Ducre, among others. He is still tied for the team lead in interceptions, with 1.

That's funny...and sad.

RIP Ducre Island

 

[Brunell4MVP]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I didn't say he wasn't part of the problem. But let's be real here, Gruden isn't helping this at all is he? He should be playing RG3 until the end of the year. That will accomplish 1 of 2 things if Gruden wants to rid himself of RG3. One, if RG3 excels, it improves his potential trade value, whatever is left of it. Two, if RG3 falls flat on his face, then Gruden can turn to his bosses and say "see we tried, the kid is broken and cannot be fixed". Going with Colt McCoy and throwing RG3 under the bus accomplishes what exactly? Shows RG3 who's the boss? Teaches him a lesson? I'm sure RG3 knows he's been playing like crap too. If we are to take Gruden for his word, he said RG3 is part of the future plans. Well play him then and see what you have. 4 games in Gruden's system with 3 being off an injury isn't much to go on IMO.

Maybe gruden thinks the combination of rg3 struggling and the bad OL will result in rg3 getting hurt again? So colt is out there just to get killed and keep the season going. Might be the same reason he hasn't gone back to cousins. Get the OL fixed in the offseason then have rg3 and cousins fight it out for starter in preseason.

I'm no rg3 fan, but if I was I wouldn't want him playing right now. He will end up in a body bag.

Maybe he isn't playing him to help his trade value? If he looked like McCoy this past sunday it would go down even more.

Fact. We have no idea what gruden or Allen are saying behind closed doors.

 

[MattFancy]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I didn't say he wasn't part of the problem. But let's be real here, Gruden isn't helping this at all is he? He should be playing RG3 until the end of the year. That will accomplish 1 of 2 things if Gruden wants to rid himself of RG3. One, if RG3 excels, it improves his potential trade value, whatever is left of it. Two, if RG3 falls flat on his face, then Gruden can turn to his bosses and say "see we tried, the kid is broken and cannot be fixed". Going with Colt McCoy and throwing RG3 under the bus accomplishes what exactly? Shows RG3 who's the boss? Teaches him a lesson? I'm sure RG3 knows he's been playing like crap too. If we are to take Gruden for his word, he said RG3 is part of the future plans. Well play him then and see what you have. 4 games in Gruden's system with 3 being off an injury isn't much to go on IMO.

Maybe gruden thinks the combination of rg3 struggling and the bad OL will result in rg3 getting hurt again? So colt is out there just to get killed and keep the season going. Might be the same reason he hasn't gone back to cousins.Get the OL fixed in the offseason then have rg3 and cousins fight it out for starter in preseason.

I'm no rg3 fan, but if I was I wouldn't want him playing right now. He will end up in a body bag.

Maybe he isn't playing him to help his trade value? If he looked like McCoy this past sunday it would go down even more.

Fact. We have no idea what gruden or Allen are saying behind closed doors.

Fact: Gruden and Allen have no idea what they are doing behind closed doors

 

[fatness]

Get the OL fixed in the offseason then have rg3 and cousins fight it out for starter in preseason.

Without the offensive line being fixed it makes no difference who plays QB here. That means at least 3 new starters on O-line who are better than the current starters. That's a damn tall order, and without the line being completely revamped, and improved, there's no way Gruden's offense will work here. He wants a power running game and lots of time in the pocket for dropbacks -- the 2 things this line is worst at.

In my opinion the order of priority is this

fix the O-line (it'll take 2-3 years if things go well)

fire Gruden after the season and hire a HC who can work better with the bad O-line that we have while it slowly improves

after that worry about a QB

Gruden's like a guy who keeps driving a family car offroad. The car can't do that, but he keeps driving it there. And the QB right now is just the hood ornament on that car.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure they'll draft a QB again this year to "fix" things. They're so ####### clueless.

 

[TobiasFunke]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3

at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I'll start thinking he's the problem when the organization produces a QB other than RGIII who consistently plays well. It's been 20 years. Until then I'll continue to think the problems start at the top.

His 2012 season was the best QB play the organization has seen since Rypien's magical year. You know how many starts they gave him after that season and his torn ACL before throwing him in the dumpster? 18. And he didn't even consistently suck in those 18. He had a passer rating over 90 in 8 of them.

I don't think he was blameless. But almost without exception, elite talent underwhelms when they join this organization, no matter who is coaching or choosing the personnel. At some point it's no longer a coincidence.

How can the Redskins produce another QB other than Griffin who plays well unless they bench Griffin?

And, who was elite or even very good after they left the Skins?

Trent Green had a very good career.

ETA: And Brad Johnson had some success with the Bucs, after the Skins dumped him for Jeff George.

Plus the window for an NFL career is not very big. Very few players get a real chance with a second organization after one ruins you. At best you go somewhere as a backup and hope that an injury gives you a chance to shine.

 

[MattFancy]

Agree that QB should be the least of our concerns.

It all starts up front. Our OL is horrendous. We've allowed 29 sacks the last 5 games. 17 teams haven't even allowed 29 sacks on the season. We basically have 1 OL worth a damn and that's Trent. As far as I'm concerned, the other 4 are replacable. I say right now, let Moses start the rest of the season. We need to see if he is capable at RT. Put in Spencer Long too. Why spend those picks on guys if we're not going to play them? Can they really be any worse than what is out there now? Then in the draft, spend at least our 1st rounder on a OL. We should be in position to get a good one. Then get at least 2 more in the draft. Not sure who will be available in FA, but we'll need a solid C that can help. With those moves, that should help. I don't think it can get worse on the OL.

As for the defense, that's going to take more than 1 offseason to fix. But, good offense can make up for bad defenes. See the Packers/Cowboys. We would just need a defense than can cause some turnovers. Just a defense that knows its assignments and doesn't blow coverages would be a huge improvement. The Cowboys were supposed to have the worst defense in the league by far this season, yet with a decent DC, they're defense is better than ours. Let that sink in.

 

[Warpig]

At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.

so you have had 2 QB guru coaches who seem to not get along with RG3

at what point do you start to think he is the problem?

3?

4?

I'll start thinking he's the problem when the organization produces a QB other than RGIII who consistently plays well. It's been 20 years. Until then I'll continue to think the problems start at the top.

His 2012 season was the best QB play the organization has seen since Rypien's magical year. You know how many starts they gave him after that season and his torn ACL before throwing him in the dumpster? 18. And he didn't even consistently suck in those 18. He had a passer rating over 90 in 8 of them.

I don't think he was blameless. But almost without exception, elite talent underwhelms when they join this organization, no matter who is coaching or choosing the personnel. At some point it's no longer a coincidence.

How can the Redskins produce another QB other than Griffin who plays well unless they bench Griffin?

And, who was elite or even very good after they left the Skins?

Are you serious with this question? There have been plenty of players leave the Skins and continue to have good/great seasons. The innerwebs are your friend.

 

[pablito]

In my opinion the order of priority is this
fix the O-line (it'll take 2-3 years if things go well)

fire Gruden after the season and hire a HC who can work better with the bad O-line that we have while it slowly improves

after that worry about a QB

An interesting take that I hadn't thought about before... maybe bring in a guy like Tom Cable (if he'd even come here). A no-nonsense guy that knows line play and can motivate players. And maybe even have the balls to tell Snyder to butt out if necessary.

 

[thayman]

Agree that QB should be the least of our concerns.

It all starts up front. Our OL is horrendous. We've allowed 29 sacks the last 5 games. 17 teams haven't even allowed 29 sacks on the season. We basically have 1 OL worth a damn and that's Trent. As far as I'm concerned, the other 4 are replacable. I say right now, let Moses start the rest of the season. We need to see if he is capable at RT. Put in Spencer Long too. Why spend those picks on guys if we're not going to play them? Can they really be any worse than what is out there now? Then in the draft, spend at least our 1st rounder on a OL. We should be in position to get a good one. Then get at least 2 more in the draft. Not sure who will be available in FA, but we'll need a solid C that can help. With those moves, that should help. I don't think it can get worse on the OL.

As for the defense, that's going to take more than 1 offseason to fix. But, good offense can make up for bad defenes. See the Packers/Cowboys. We would just need a defense than can cause some turnovers. Just a defense that knows its assignments and doesn't blow coverages would be a huge improvement. The Cowboys were supposed to have the worst defense in the league by far this season, yet with a decent DC, they're defense is better than ours. Let that sink in.

To be fair Luchenstieger has had a decent srason

 

[southeastjerome]

In my opinion the order of priority is this
fix the O-line (it'll take 2-3 years if things go well)

fire Gruden after the season and hire a HC who can work better with the bad O-line that we have while it slowly improves

after that worry about a QB

An interesting take that I hadn't thought about before... maybe bring in a guy like Tom Cable (if he'd even come here). A no-nonsense guy that knows line play and can motivate players. And maybe even have the balls to tell Snyder to butt out if necessary.

Sounds a lot like Shanahan. I honestly don't think anything will change much until Snyder sells the team or if they just get incredibly lucky and land a legit stud QB who can deal with the BS that this franchise brings and is not injury riddled.

 

[MattFancy]

Agree that QB should be the least of our concerns.

It all starts up front. Our OL is horrendous. We've allowed 29 sacks the last 5 games. 17 teams haven't even allowed 29 sacks on the season. We basically have 1 OL worth a damn and that's Trent. As far as I'm concerned, the other 4 are replacable. I say right now, let Moses start the rest of the season. We need to see if he is capable at RT. Put in Spencer Long too. Why spend those picks on guys if we're not going to play them? Can they really be any worse than what is out there now? Then in the draft, spend at least our 1st rounder on a OL. We should be in position to get a good one. Then get at least 2 more in the draft. Not sure who will be available in FA, but we'll need a solid C that can help. With those moves, that should help. I don't think it can get worse on the OL.

As for the defense, that's going to take more than 1 offseason to fix. But, good offense can make up for bad defenes. See the Packers/Cowboys. We would just need a defense than can cause some turnovers. Just a defense that knows its assignments and doesn't blow coverages would be a huge improvement. The Cowboys were supposed to have the worst defense in the league by far this season, yet with a decent DC, they're defense is better than ours. Let that sink in.

To be fair Luchenstieger has had a decent srason

True he has been decent. But still, we'll need 3 solid OL this offseason just to see some improvement on offense

 

[MattFancy]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

 

[MikeApf]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

Not sure either, but you always have to suspect that some on the team have quit putting out as much effort as earlier in the season, when they had more hope. It doesn't feel like there are any "leaders" on this team to keep everyone motivated -- coaches or players.

 

[Marvelous]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

I still claim that something big happened during the bye week. Griffin looked ok (not great) in Minnesota before the bye week and a shell of himself after the bye week.

 

[MattFancy]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

Not sure either, but you always have to suspect that some on the team have quit putting out as much effort as earlier in the season, when they had more hope. It doesn't feel like there are any "leaders" on this team to keep everyone motivated -- coaches or players.

Well Gruden did say it's not his job to motivate the players...

 

[MattFancy]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

I still claim that something big happened during the bye week. Griffin looked ok (not great) in Minnesota before the bye week and a shell of himself after the bye week.

Agreed. Griffin wasn't great against Minnesota, but for a guy coming for a 6 week layoff, he didn't look bad and led the offense to 26 points in a game they should have won. Then after the bye, it looked like he forgot how to play QB. I don't know if something happened with he and Gruden or what, but he hasn't looked right since and the team has completely spiraled out of control.

 

[thayman]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

I still claim that something big happened during the bye week. Griffin looked ok (not great) in Minnesota before the bye week and a shell of himself after the bye week.

Agreed. Griffin wasn't great against Minnesota, but for a guy coming for a 6 week layoff, he didn't look bad and led the offense to 26 points in a game they should have won. Then after the bye, it looked like he forgot how to play QB. I don't know if something happened with he and Gruden or what, but he hasn't looked right since and the team has completely spiraled out of control.

As each qb has been named the starter I assume they spend more time getting coached by Gruden himself. The more time each qb spends with Gruden the worse they look.

 

[MattFancy]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

I still claim that something big happened during the bye week. Griffin looked ok (not great) in Minnesota before the bye week and a shell of himself after the bye week.

Agreed. Griffin wasn't great against Minnesota, but for a guy coming for a 6 week layoff, he didn't look bad and led the offense to 26 points in a game they should have won. Then after the bye, it looked like he forgot how to play QB. I don't know if something happened with he and Gruden or what, but he hasn't looked right since and the team has completely spiraled out of control.

As each qb has been named the starter I assume they spend more time getting coached by Gruden himself. The more time each qb spends with Gruden the worse they look.

Hey, that makes just as much sense as anything else I can think of. For someone that was supposed to be a "QB Guru" he sure hasn't looked the part here.

 

[Marvelous]

I heard part of Cooley's film breakdown yesterday. He did not grade the OL out that poorly. Williams got a C, all the others got Bs of some degree.

Of the six sacks, 2 Morris missed the block, 1 Helu, 1 Williams, 1 Compton, and 1 was Litchenstieger's early snap.

He also said Jordan Reed is horrendous at run blocking. One play, Reed and Paul are both lined up on the left. Their job is to the SLB and safety. Cooley says blocking a safety is not that hard. Reed completely misses. If he gets the block, it is a 20 yard run.

Cooley then said it is the coaches fault. They know Reed cannot run block. So don't put him in there to block on a running play.

 

[MattFancy]

I heard part of Cooley's film breakdown yesterday. He did not grade the OL out that poorly. Williams got a C, all the others got Bs of some degree.

Of the six sacks, 2 Morris missed the block, 1 Helu, 1 Williams, 1 Compton, and 1 was Litchenstieger's early snap.

He also said Jordan Reed is horrendous at run blocking. One play, Reed and Paul are both lined up on the left. Their job is to the SLB and safety. Cooley says blocking a safety is not that hard. Reed completely misses. If he gets the block, it is a 20 yard run.

Cooley then said it is the coaches fault. They know Reed cannot run block. So don't put him in there to block on a running play.

How does he not grade the line poorly but then but 3 of the 6 sacks on OL? And say an OL didn't play poorly, yet our leading rusher was the QB with 11 yds? I don't think an OL can play much worse than last week.

 

[Marvelous]

I heard part of Cooley's film breakdown yesterday. He did not grade the OL out that poorly. Williams got a C, all the others got Bs of some degree.

Of the six sacks, 2 Morris missed the block, 1 Helu, 1 Williams, 1 Compton, and 1 was Litchenstieger's early snap.

He also said Jordan Reed is horrendous at run blocking. One play, Reed and Paul are both lined up on the left. Their job is to the SLB and safety. Cooley says blocking a safety is not that hard. Reed completely misses. If he gets the block, it is a 20 yard run.

Cooley then said it is the coaches fault. They know Reed cannot run block. So don't put him in there to block on a running play.

How does he not grade the line poorly but then but 3 of the 6 sacks on OL? And say an OL didn't play poorly, yet our leading rusher was the QB with 11 yds? I don't think an OL can play much worse than last week.

A lot of the blame on the pass protection went to the RBs and TEs.

And a lot of the blame for the poor run blocking went to the TEs.

I don't think it added up very well. But that is what Cooley said.

 

[nittanylion]

Interesting stat:

If our 6 losses before the bye week, we were outscored by 68 points for an average loss of 11.3ppg. We were in every game except for the Giants game.

In our 4 losses since the bye week, we've been outscored by 70 points for an average loss of 17.5ppg. The only game we were close in was the 49ers.

You can say we've played 3 of our 4 worst games of the season since the bye week. I don't know what happened, but this team has been a total disaster since the bye week.

So, this is my busiest time of the year, and I post infrequently, and when I do, I post a lot of info that it's very easy to tl;dr...

...but if you go back and re-read, in one of the the recent posts, I mentioned that I have it on secondhand authority straight from the source that the Team was in really great mood coming off the wins vs Tennessee and Dallas with Colt at the helm, going into the week leading up to the Vikings game...

...which is when Gruden got summoned by Snyder/Allen and informed that he was to start Griffin against the Vikings.

I went into great length describing how I've learned, both first, and second hand how things work in an NFL organization and locker room.

That move emasculated Gruden in front of the Team.

All the fire went out of Gruden at that point, because his position as Coach and Team Leader had been visibly undermined and the vitally important to Team Chemistry chain of command had been compromised.

Word leaked down to the locker room, which caused the multi-season veterans and team leaders to throw up their hands and say 'here we go again'.

It was audible around the organization, like the air being let of of a balloon when Snyder/Allen pulled that move, and the word worked it's way down the ladder. The Team went into a funk that it hasn't gotten out of since.

Same old, same old. Same as it ever was.

Most everyone, starting with the guys who have been around here the longest and seen it happen before, are just playing out the string, waiting for the season to end. That's what started it, and this is the result.

The same thing happened with Shanahan. I will discuss that timeline at a later point if anyone is interested, but it started with the Draft Day Trade and acquisition of Robert Griffin, which again, I have on verifiable second hand authority, was a Snyder decision, not a Shanahan one, and that directly violated the auspices under which Shanahan agreed to coach the team, although you won't find a word of it in his contract.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

THis week might even more interesting...many Defensive starters are watching from sidelines in practice: Robinson, Hatcher, Cofield, Merriweather...I think I'm missing another one too.

 

[MattFancy]

nitanylion, you very well could be right. I have no idea. But, at least that Minnesota game, the team looked comptent. They blew it late, but they seemed to play well as well as Griffin playing well. Then they went into the bye week, and the season has gone downhill since. Maybe it was the vets just saying "screw it, who knows. But it does seem pretty clear something happened in that locker room that changed this team's attitude.

 

[fatness]

As each qb has been named the starter I assume they spend more time getting coached by Gruden himself. The more time each qb spends with Gruden the worse they look.

And I remain hopeful that we here are not the only ones who have seen that. Deteriorating play by each of 3 QB's has been highly visible this year.

 

[thayman]

nitanylion, you very well could be right. I have no idea. But, at least that Minnesota game, the team looked comptent. They blew it late, but they seemed to play well as well as Griffin playing well. Then they went into the bye week, and the season has gone downhill since. Maybe it was the vets just saying "screw it, who knows. But it does seem pretty clear something happened in that locker room that changed this team's attitude.

Any involvement by Snyder aside, Gruden has looked like a total clown.

 

[MattFancy]

As each qb has been named the starter I assume they spend more time getting coached by Gruden himself. The more time each qb spends with Gruden the worse they look.

And I remain hopeful that we here are not the only ones who have seen that. Deteriorating play by each of 3 QB's has been highly visible this year.

Seems like each one is decent in their first 2 starts then goes downhill from there.

Griffin (not counting Jax start):

1. @Hou - 29/37, 256, 0/0

2. @Min - 18/28, 251, 1/1

3. vs TB - 22/32, 207, 1/1

4. @SF - 11/19, 106, 0/0

Cousins

1. @Phi - 30/48, 427, 3/1

2. vs NYG - 19/33, 257, 1/4

3. vs Sea - 21/36, 282, 2/0

4. @Ari - 24/38, 354, 2/3

5. vs Ten - 10/16, 139, 0/1 (benched in 2nd half)

McCoy

1. @Dal - 25/30, 299, 0/1

2. @ Ind - 31/47, 392, 3/0

3. vs StL - 20/32, 199, 0/2

 

[fatness]

1. I really appreciate nittanylion's posts, I honestly do. We get a look at the view of someone in the front office from time to time that we'd never have otherwise.

2. I'm not buying that the team tanked because Gruden was forced to start Griffin. Griffin did OK the Minnesota game, they got 3 second-half scores I believe and should have won. Haslett's defense, which had controlled Dallas earlier, lost the Minnesota game. Like they lost so many other games, before and after last year's team and this year's team tanked.

3. nittanylion's souce is a pro-Shanahan and anti-Griffin guy.

4. We get a lot of anonymous front office stories near the end of disaster years, and many of them work out to be more sour grapes than anything accurate. For that reason I'm skeptical of any report from anyone in the front office.

5. See #1. And to the extent he can keep sharing that information with us without getting himself in trouble I hope he does so.

 

[fatness]

THis week might even more interesting...many Defensive starters are watching from sidelines in practice: Robinson, Hatcher, Cofield, Merriweather...I think I'm missing another one too.

As long as they have 11 guys who are not "recovering from injury" they can field a team. Guys can play both ways, right? It might get down to that the way all these injuries are "lingering".

I'm worried Gruden will start McCoy when he's not really fit to play yet, and he'll get hurt worse. I don't wish that on any player.

 

[fatness]

Gruden:"Guys study hard but for whatever reason on Gameday certain guys have brain cramps, which are very magnified around here."

Jay "For Whatever Reason" Gruden

 

[MattFancy]

Gruden:"Guys study hard but for whatever reason on Gameday certain guys have brain cramps, which are very magnified around here."

Jay "For Whatever Reason" Gruden

"But I'm gonna keep coaching the way I have been all season"

 

[jbz]

Gruden amazingly is a worse head coach than Zorny

 

[MattFancy]

Gruden amazingly is a worse head coach than Zorny

You may be right. Hell, at least Zorn was 6-2 at one point.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Gruden amazingly is a worse head coach than Zorny

...and Bruce Allen is making Vinny seem like an adequate GM too. LOL!

 

[MattFancy]

Gruden amazingly is a worse head coach than Zorny

...and Bruce Allen is making Vinny seem like an adequate GM too. LOL!

Now you're pushing it lol

 

[dhockster]

Gruden:"Guys study hard but for whatever reason on Gameday certain guys have brain cramps, which are very magnified around here."

Jay "For Whatever Reason" Gruden

Which begs the question "who or what are magnifying the brain cramps?" Huh, Jay, Huh?

 

[fatness]

For the 5th time in 13 weeks, the NFC Special Teams Player of the Week is a Redskin opponent. This time: Tavon Austin

For whatever reason.

 

[jbz]

Stay medium my friends!

 

[fatness]

Chris Russell @Russellmania980 · 7h 7 hours ago

Gruden says DeSean can "jog pretty good " but hasn't cut it loose. Gruden says he's 50/50 proposition vs # Giants

Chris Russell @Russellmania980 · 7h 7 hours ago

.."@ESPNRadio980: Cofield & Hatcher did not practice. ..Helu did not either. ..Colt McCoy limited. ..Gruden says "he did good today "

 

[fatness]

Want to read a bad article? Here you go: http://www.fantasyfootballoverdose.com/eye-on-football/sources-washington-redskins-might-trade-jay-cutler/
There's quite a bit to laugh at.

Jay Cutler might possibly get picked up by Jay Gruden. Although acquiring him will cost a lot of money for the Redskins organization, they might take the risk if Gruden can promise a winning season.

Redskins can offer Cutler different looks and plays in the field. The great offensive mind of Gruden could be the answer in terms of unleashing Cutler’s greatest potential.