There is some pure hate with RG3. There's tons of Redskin fans that just want him to be a total failure and I have no idea why. Well actually I do, but don't really want to get into that.
You're not wrong, though. Unfortunately.
Both of you. Just stop it. Right now. While there may be a few whacky whackos out there, the overwhelming majority of people ready to move on from Griffin are doing so because it's become glaringly apparent that what remains of him is not a competant NFL QB, and it's obvious he's not a very mature or self aware human being, either. The fact that he's black is purely circumstantial.
You are talking about how Redskins hate Griffith so much, I can't remember being in this area for about 20 years seeing a player defending so much as Griffith. I mean it has gotten so bad that people think that Gruden is deliberately trying to hurt him to prove points. Hell we are even throwing out the race card in this which is extremely ironic given 2 years ago the biggest dumb ### argument was that he wasn't black enough.
People seem to get this idea that if Cousins was in Griffith position and vice versa that none of this would happen and that is complete garbage. See Heath Shuler again
Thank you for injecting some much needed reason into the conversation in a very timely manner.
I think it was in the RG3 Thread where I brought up the idea that ultimately Robert Griffin will be remembered more as a footnote in Kyle Shanahan's legacy as a tremendous Offensive Coordinator than for his accomplishments as an NFL QB..
I don't want anything more than the return of the Redskins to consistent dominance and glory. The who's and how's, not so much. I accept things for what they are, and move on. That's why I have never wasted my time reminiscing about Sean Taylor. I don't like wasting time and energy speculating on 'what might have been.' I've seen enough of Griffin, and I now believe that the minority of voices that spoke of him being an athlete playing the QB position versus an athletic QB, when he came out of college, have been proven correct. Who knows what he might have been, if he hadn't blown the knee? Who knows how successful the Redskins would have been behind the trio of Griffin, Mike and Kyle? But Dan Snyder made the choice to be an irresponsible cheapskate and not properly manicure the field before that fateful game vs the Seahawks, the knee happened, and with the loss of mobility, Griffin has lost the quality that made him special, and the factor that transcended his lack of ability to recognize coverages and blitzes, read a defense, and properly work his way through a passing tree progression. So, who cares about what might have been? What he is now, he is, and will be: a damaged athelete playing NFL QB, who is not very good at it...and so, I am ready to move on to the next solution, because as long as he's the QB, we're just going to lather, rinse, repeat the same refrain that's been going on around here since Snyder fired Schottenheimer, and yes, that includes Gibbs 2.0.
For everyone that thinks Griffin is being unfairly judged, what about Gruden? I can't believe some of the criticisms I hear about him...
Here's what I wish. I wish McCloughan was in place before Shanahan was fired and Gruden was hired. I wish McCloughan had been in charge of hiring the Coach to replace Shanahan. I don't think McCloughan would have hired Gruden, if for only one reason: his offense isn't designed to be run through a QB like Griffin, and the most important thing in the 'Griffin window' was not to bring in a Coach who could win, but rather a Coach who could win with Griffin.
I think Gruden has proved himself worthy of being interviewed and hired as a head Coach. He's qualified enough to be given his first shot. I'd bet dollars to donuts that when he sat down with Snyder/Allen, they reviewed his body of work and were justifiably impressed...but those 2 bumpkins didn't ask what a competant NFL GM would have asked on behalf of a team in the 'Griffin window' - "can you win with Griffin at QB". They aren't smart enough, or football savvy enough to understand the difference between a winning Coach, and
how he wins - (system/personnel). From what I understand, if you're a young up-and-coming Coordinator, you don't say 'no' if you're offered a HC job, unless you have a better offer...and who makes a better offer, financially, than The Daniel, so I don't blame Gruden for taking the offer.
I think McCloughan knows all these things. I think he knows Griffin isn't what he once was, and what he is now is not going to get the Redskins any further than they've been. I think he knows what Gruden is capable of potentially accomplishing, and wants to provide him the correct personnel to fit his program/scheme to see if it will come to fruition. That starts with a traditional NFL QB: tall, strong, football smart, drop back-read-climb the pocket-fire the rocket.
At the NFL level, more often than not, HC gets hired because of a system, and GM goes out and gets the players necessary to allow that system to function. Not so much 'mold your system around our personnel'.
I feel for the other players on the Team. They're linked to however all this play out, and at the end of this Season, they'll all be one year older and into their all-too-brief careers. I think the Redskins have a #### Owner, a #### Team President, a solid GM,
a decent HC, and are building a nice looking Team around a #### QB if they stick with what's left of Griffin. If we're going to waste another season of everyone's careers with a non-playoff season, if I were the GM, I'd say: "Coach Gruden, which of these QB's do you feel gives you the best chance to win with your system? I'll let you start whoever you want." I'd also fire all three QB next year if none of them looked the part in 2015, and reload the position entirely. I'd also give him at least one more year where he and I together could go after, via the Draft and FA, 'his' QB.
I wonder if Snyder will just let McCloughan do his job? Amazing that after the last 15 or so years, it still continues to come back to that.
Fans of other NFC East teams actually pity us.
