***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[PinkydaPimp]

For all the grief Dan Snyder gets(and god knows he deserves it), let s give him credit here. Instead of meddling and pushing rg3 onto the GM and HC, he has stepped aside and let the football guy manage the roster and the HC pick his QB. This is the kind of normalcy I could get used to.

I agree with this. The new GM has to evaluate the 2nd year coach and the only fair way to do that is to let him play the players that fit his system best.

This is the added benefit. At least we can truly evaluate gruden. If he doesn't prove something this season i want him out and for scott to hire his own guy so we can truly more forward without having to worry about changing things in a few years.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

As a 35+ year redskin fan, today is probably the happiest I have been in 10 years. I've let my feeling on rg3 out since year 1. Even with all the impressive stats, he was not an nfl QB. It was 1 read and it worked while the nfl hadn't caught on and while he was healthy. The guy just never had nfl QB qualities. He was a really, really bad version of Michael Vick. Vick just understood the game much better.

Now cousins gets his shot. I think he is an nfl QB. I compare him to rivers and Eli manning. Much like them he will put up a lot of yards and manage the game well. But he will also have awful games with fumbles and Ints. We will have to live with 2-3 terrible games. But I think he can bring this team into the 6-10 to 8-8 level this year, which is moving in the right direction. He is probably not ready to take them to the playoffs, nor is the rest of the team good enough. But maybe the following year they can get there.

I don't know what you do with Griffin. someone may trade for him, but I wouldn't let him go into the NFC. kind of hope a Houston would give him a shot for a player or low pick. But someone has to eat the 16m contract and that's a tough sell. Have to find someone to trade with that has equally bad contract situation with a player. My guess is he goes to inactive qb3, gets cut in the offseason. But hopefully for rg3 and the Redskins they can move him.

 

[steelerfan1]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

 

[Sebowski]

Whatever the question, the answer always comes back to who owns the team. Unless that changes, poor decisions will continue to be made from the top down.

There is no hope for this team in the next 3 years minimum.

Why bother mentioning ownership? He's not selling the team.

If Snyder is the reason for this mess, then I'd say it's 30+ years of no hope.

Do we have the 5th or 6th pick?

5th. If Oakland wins, it's a 4th.

Why not mention ownership ? What else is there to mention? Tampa. Oakland. Cincy. Jets. Browns. Redskins. Same crap year after year except the occasional decent season. 3 years because even bad owners get lucky sometimes.

After 43 years of attending games and watching from home since I was a 5 year old, I'm done. I will not watch or support this team. I will not switch allegiances to another nfl team. Im dc born and raised and could never root for another team But Until snyder sells or hires real football people to do the job Im done. He cares about money. Nothing else. He has screwed the people of this city and the only thing in my power to do is not support his team or any of his businesses. I hope everyone boycotts everything he does and maybe it will make a dent in his pockets.

Best of luck to all of you that can handle the more than the 20 years of futility I've watched under his reign. I can handle no more.

 

[dehaven123]

Whatever the question, the answer always comes back to who owns the team. Unless that changes, poor decisions will continue to be made from the top down.

There is no hope for this team in the next 3 years minimum.

Why bother mentioning ownership? He's not selling the team.

If Snyder is the reason for this mess, then I'd say it's 30+ years of no hope.

Do we have the 5th or 6th pick?

5th. If Oakland wins, it's a 4th.

Why not mention ownership ? What else is there to mention? Tampa. Oakland. Cincy. Jets. Browns. Redskins. Same crap year after year except the occasional decent season. 3 years because even bad owners get lucky sometimes.

After 43 years of attending games and watching from home since I was a 5 year old, I'm done. I will not watch or support this team. I will not switch allegiances to another nfl team. Im dc born and raised and could never root for another team But Until snyder sells or hires real football people to do the job Im done. He cares about money. Nothing else. He has screwed the people of this city and the only thing in my power to do is not support his team or any of his businesses. I hope everyone boycotts everything he does and maybe it will make a dent in his pockets.

Best of luck to all of you that can handle the more than the 20 years of futility I've watched under his reign. I can handle no more.

So now you are back because Snyder has clearly let the football guy in Scot and the HC in Gruden make the football decisions. Welcome back on board! Choo choo!

 

[MikeApf]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.

That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

 

[GoBirds]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.

That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

Comparing the handling of Cousins to Peyton Manning.......that is good stuff.

Should be interesting, the drama continues.....

 

[MikeApf]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.

That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

Comparing the handling of Cousins to Peyton Manning.......that is good stuff.

Should be interesting, the drama continues.....

Predictable response.

Not comparing Cousins to Peyton Manning, just pointing out that it's not unheard of for rookie QBs to throw picks starting out then get better later.

I'm sure you understand that, but just wanted to get the zing in there anyway. Ok, good zing, but it doesn't change my point at all. Cousins pressing and throwing more INTs during his first ten games doesn't mean he'll suck his whole career. There are many, many good QBs that struggled early then settled down to have good careers.

Who knows if Cousins will turn out to be good...maybe he will, maybe he won't. just saying too early to "bury him."

 

[steelerfan1]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.

That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

thanks mike.

 

[GoBirds]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

Comparing the handling of Cousins to Peyton Manning.......that is good stuff.Should be interesting, the drama continues.....

Predictable response.Not comparing Cousins to Peyton Manning, just pointing out that it's not unheard of for rookie QBs to throw picks starting out then get better later.

I'm sure you understand that, but just wanted to get the zing in there anyway. Ok, good zing, but it doesn't change my point at all. Cousins pressing and throwing more INTs during his first ten games doesn't mean he'll suck his whole career. There are many, many good QBs that struggled early then settled down to have good careers.

Who knows if Cousins will turn out to be good...maybe he will, maybe he won't. just saying too early to "bury him."

Agree and mostly because options are limited at thus point.

But giving the long leash like a Manning would get is basically what you had to suffer through w RG3. Given Colt is the only other option here I guess it's the right play.

 

[MikeApf]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

At a certain point, Gruden has to stop switching Quarterbacks. I honestly think he needs to give Cousins the season. Yeah, yeah, the INTs. As has been pointed out, if the posters on this message board had been coaching the Colts through Peyton Manning's first 10 games, he never would have remained the starter.That said, while I think he should give him the season, Gruden just seems kind of squirrelly and panicy when things go wrong. I'm guessing he gets ancy at some point in the season and throws Colt McCoy in there.

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

Comparing the handling of Cousins to Peyton Manning.......that is good stuff.Should be interesting, the drama continues.....

Predictable response.Not comparing Cousins to Peyton Manning, just pointing out that it's not unheard of for rookie QBs to throw picks starting out then get better later.

I'm sure you understand that, but just wanted to get the zing in there anyway. Ok, good zing, but it doesn't change my point at all. Cousins pressing and throwing more INTs during his first ten games doesn't mean he'll suck his whole career. There are many, many good QBs that struggled early then settled down to have good careers.

Who knows if Cousins will turn out to be good...maybe he will, maybe he won't. just saying too early to "bury him."

Agree and mostly because options are limited at thus point.

But giving the long leash like a Manning would get is basically what you had to suffer through w RG3. Given Colt is the only other option here I guess it's the rigYeaht play.

Well,that's a decent point. I don't know that they can commit to Cousins the way they committed to Manning. It's not fair but coming in Manning had the "pedigree" that basically provided him with the long leash. The practical reality for Cousins is that this year he is essentially auditioning for the starters job. The Redskins will not make the playoffs, so you cannot judge him on that basis...I don't even know that it's fair to expect him to compile a winning record this year. But he at least has to be impressive and yes, he has to show he can cut down turnovers. If not, then I think the Redskins will go back to the drawing board at QB. It's like you are saying though...what are their options "right now." I'm honestly just shocked knowing Snyder that they are even allowing RGIII to be benched. That's a fairly large admission on Synder's part that he made a mistake in that trade.

 

[hammerva]

Someone needs to explain to me why everyone hates Diana Marie Russini so much. When has she actually lied about something she has reported on the Skins. She told people that Cousins would be starting in week 1 and it happens. If you are so delusional to think that Gruden is basing his starting QB on ESPN reporters then well you are perfect fan for this team.

 

[MattFancy]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

No idea.

I know a lot of people say that Cousins is Gruden's "guy", but I'm not so sure. If he was, then why when he benched Cousins last year, was he demoted all the way to #3? Why coming into this season was Cousins having to battle McCoy for the #2 job? I think Gruden may like him, but I don't think he's his "guy".

I do think Cousins will get a good opportunity to prove himself. Will it be a whole season? Based on what we saw from Cousins/Gruden last year, it's hard to say yes to that.

 

[Shutout]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

No idea.

I know a lot of people say that Cousins is Gruden's "guy", but I'm not so sure. If he was, then why when he benched Cousins last year, was he demoted all the way to #3? Why coming into this season was Cousins having to battle McCoy for the #2 job? I think Gruden may like him, but I don't think he's his "guy".

I do think Cousins will get a good opportunity to prove himself. Will it be a whole season? Based on what we saw from Cousins/Gruden last year, it's hard to say yes to that.

I get the feeling we will see 3 and maybe 4 different starting QBs for the Redskins this year. THe only way to avoid it is for the Redskins to trade RG III.

The way things are going for them, it would probably be to the Rams for a 6th or something.

 

[hammerva]

Between London Fletcher being a complete apologist for the Best QB in the NFL on the Junkies and going nuts to the "Man Cave" basically implying that everyone is out to get him because he is black, this has been a great morning for Redskins radio. And Tony is back so that will make it even more crazy

 

[Marvelous]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

No idea.

I know a lot of people say that Cousins is Gruden's "guy", but I'm not so sure. If he was, then why when he benched Cousins last year, was he demoted all the way to #3? Why coming into this season was Cousins having to battle McCoy for the #2 job? I think Gruden may like him, but I don't think he's his "guy".

I do think Cousins will get a good opportunity to prove himself. Will it be a whole season? Based on what we saw from Cousins/Gruden last year, it's hard to say yes to that.

Based on Gruden's press conference, it sounded like Cousins will have a long leash. He made statements like, "It's Kirk's team" and "we don't want Kirk looking over his shoulder".

I think Cousins will need to be really bad to make a switch. Of course, last year, when Cousins played, he did look really bad at the end.

Also, prior to all this, I had always heard the McCoy was Gruden's guy, not Cousins.

 

[MattFancy]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

No idea.

I know a lot of people say that Cousins is Gruden's "guy", but I'm not so sure. If he was, then why when he benched Cousins last year, was he demoted all the way to #3? Why coming into this season was Cousins having to battle McCoy for the #2 job? I think Gruden may like him, but I don't think he's his "guy".

I do think Cousins will get a good opportunity to prove himself. Will it be a whole season? Based on what we saw from Cousins/Gruden last year, it's hard to say yes to that.

Based on Gruden's press conference, it sounded like Cousins will have a long leash. He made statements like, "It's Kirk's team" and "we don't want Kirk looking over his shoulder".

I think Cousins will need to be really bad to make a switch. Of course, last year, when Cousins played, he did look really bad at the end.

Also, prior to all this, I had always heard the McCoy was Gruden's guy, not Cousins.

I think he likes McCoy more too. It's just that we all know what McCoy is at this point, where there is still some unknown with Cousins. I think Cousins would have to be pretty bad to get benched, but it's not like we haven't seen that kind of play from Cousins before.

 

[(HULK)]

Someone needs to explain to me why everyone hates Diana Marie Russini so much. When has she actually lied about something she has reported on the Skins. She told people that Cousins would be starting in week 1 and it happens. If you are so delusional to think that Gruden is basing his starting QB on ESPN reporters then well you are perfect fan for this team.

She was correct on this.

She's been wrong in the past plenty.

 

[dgreen]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

 

[dhockster]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

So you would T.O. him if he causes problems? Just remember, T.O. didn't go away after the Eagles suspended him for the season. He did sit-ups in his driveway. Not saying Bob would do that, but just disciplining him may not take him away as a distraction.

 

[MattFancy]

Has anyone outside of our local media and Shanahan come out and said they expect good things from Cousins this season? Just curious.

 

[MikeApf]

Just saw where Lorenzo Alexander was cut by the Cardinals. Wonder if he has anything left in the tank as a Special Teams player.

He was always one of my favorite role players on the Redskins.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/8/30/9225131/2015-nfl-roster-cuts-tracker-75-man-deadline

 

[dgreen]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

So you would T.O. him if he causes problems? Just remember, T.O. didn't go away after the Eagles suspended him for the season. He did sit-ups in his driveway. Not saying Bob would do that, but just disciplining him may not take him away as a distraction.

Well, I guess I should start off by saying that I don't expect the Redskins to actually be able to handle some distraction/PR issue. Having said that, I don't get why a suspended player doing sit ups in his drive becomes a distraction to a team. Not sure why a professional organization wouldn't be able to handle that. And, yeah, I don't see Griffin doing that. But, apparently he does like Instagram posts bashing the Redskins. If he does things that are against the rules, take whatever action you can within the labor agreement. If he continues, you continue. Then you do whatever is the right PR move (again, no way the Redskins would do that). Ignore it? No comment? I don't know the right answer, but it really shouldn't be that hard to keep a joker from being a distraction.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Whatever the question, the answer always comes back to who owns the team. Unless that changes, poor decisions will continue to be made from the top down.

There is no hope for this team in the next 3 years minimum.

Why bother mentioning ownership? He's not selling the team.

If Snyder is the reason for this mess, then I'd say it's 30+ years of no hope.

Do we have the 5th or 6th pick?

5th. If Oakland wins, it's a 4th.

Why not mention ownership ? What else is there to mention? Tampa. Oakland. Cincy. Jets. Browns. Redskins. Same crap year after year except the occasional decent season. 3 years because even bad owners get lucky sometimes.

After 43 years of attending games and watching from home since I was a 5 year old, I'm done. I will not watch or support this team. I will not switch allegiances to another nfl team. Im dc born and raised and could never root for another team But Until snyder sells or hires real football people to do the job Im done. He cares about money. Nothing else. He has screwed the people of this city and the only thing in my power to do is not support his team or any of his businesses. I hope everyone boycotts everything he does and maybe it will make a dent in his pockets.

Best of luck to all of you that can handle the more than the 20 years of futility I've watched under his reign. I can handle no more.

Yes, I remember the post. And it says, "But until Snyder sells or HIRES REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE TO DO THE JOB I'm done". Well, he has since hired Scot McCloughan, which was the first ray of hope. Someone other than Bruce poser Allen to run football. And now RG3 isn't starting, which tells me someone with common sense made a decision. I'm sure it took some convincing to get buy in from the whole organization on that decision, but at least it was made. At least we can move on to being an average football team rather than a traveling circus.

Still can't Snyder. I've met him and know two people that worked for him at a previous company. He's a jerk.

 

[MattFancy]

Where has fatness been?

 

[JuniorNB]

Hey guys, thought this Redskins thread would be a good place to come for some insight...

In most mocks I've done, Alfred Morris is available for me to pick in the third. How has he looked this preseason and will his role be any different than in previous years?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

 

[DCThunder]

First list of cuts:

TE Ernst Brun Jr.
LB Dyshawn Davis
TE Chase Dixon
CB Tajh Hasson
LB Alonzo Highsmith
CB DreQuan Hoskey
WR Tony Jones
K Ty Long
TE Devin Mahina
CB Bryan McCann
G Bryce Quigley
T Willie Smith
CB Trey Wolfe

 

[MattFancy]

Hey guys, thought this Redskins thread would be a good place to come for some insight...

In most mocks I've done, Alfred Morris is available for me to pick in the third. How has he looked this preseason and will his role be any different than in previous years?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

He's looked alright. Nothing special. Think he makes for a decent RB2 this year.

 

[dhockster]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

So you would T.O. him if he causes problems? Just remember, T.O. didn't go away after the Eagles suspended him for the season. He did sit-ups in his driveway. Not saying Bob would do that, but just disciplining him may not take him away as a distraction.

Well, I guess I should start off by saying that I don't expect the Redskins to actually be able to handle some distraction/PR issue. Having said that, I don't get why a suspended player doing sit ups in his drive becomes a distraction to a team. Not sure why a professional organization wouldn't be able to handle that. And, yeah, I don't see Griffin doing that. But, apparently he does like Instagram posts bashing the Redskins. If he does things that are against the rules, take whatever action you can within the labor agreement. If he continues, you continue. Then you do whatever is the right PR move (again, no way the Redskins would do that). Ignore it? No comment? I don't know the right answer, but it really shouldn't be that hard to keep a joker from being a distraction.

I agree with you in principle. I think Reid handled the T.O. situation in the right way and he still turned out to be a distraction for the whole season. I just think that because RGIII has very little trade value due to his contract amount for next year, it might be better to cut him than keep him around if he is going to be a distraction/problem. Since he really has no football value for the Redskins this year (they have signaled they have moved on) there is really no reason to keep him. Just my opinion.

 

[thayman]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

With his injury history and the $16m guarantee for next year I doubt you'd ever be able to play him. Don't forget he's taking up a roster spot that could go to someone who could actually contribute. They'd be better off keeping a kicker that can boot the ball through the endzone. Or a young guy who has upside and can contribute to Special Teams.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Morris, djax, garcon and cassell could play action this team to 7 or 8 wins.

 

[tangfoot]

Morris, djax, garcon and cassell could play action this team to 7 or 8 wins.

Have you seen their schedule? Show me how they get 6 wins out of their non-division schedule, because 1-5 in the division is the absolute best they can hope for.

 

[Wonderllama]

Skins fans, can we shift gears in here to talk my favorite new sleeper RB?

Matt Jones has impressed me this preseason more than any rookie RB not named Ameer. I think you guys scored a real gem here. I foresee a second half surge by this kid this season. Dude has burst and lateral agility that I don't see in guys his size, plus soft hands and decent blocking ability. More, please.

I do really like Jones. It sucks because I'm a huge Morris fan, but I don't see how Jones isn't the starter in 2016.

Matt Jones looks really good. I think he will be gold in the subscriber contest and is worth a flier in a redraft league.

This is the only Redskins news that is fantasy relevant to me. His preseason stats are insane. 6.95 YPC! This guy will be a #1 waiver add at some point. He's at least the clear RB2 in Washington. I would rather get him now for nothing

 

[Sebowski]

does anyone have any idea how much security kirk will have? is colt a threat if a couple stinkers get thrown out there?

No idea.

I know a lot of people say that Cousins is Gruden's "guy", but I'm not so sure. If he was, then why when he benched Cousins last year, was he demoted all the way to #3? Why coming into this season was Cousins having to battle McCoy for the #2 job? I think Gruden may like him, but I don't think he's his "guy".

I do think Cousins will get a good opportunity to prove himself. Will it be a whole season? Based on what we saw from Cousins/Gruden last year, it's hard to say yes to that.

Based on Gruden's press conference, it sounded like Cousins will have a long leash. He made statements like, "It's Kirk's team" and "we don't want Kirk looking over his shoulder".

I think Cousins will need to be really bad to make a switch. Of course, last year, when Cousins played, he did look really bad at the end.

Also, prior to all this, I had always heard the McCoy was Gruden's guy, not Cousins.

He said the exact same things about RG3 all offseason starting in February. Said there was no competition. That it was RG3's team. Then, this. So, no I don't trust anything Gruden says. Cousin's shouldn't either. It's like he moved in with a girl that was cheating on her boyfriend with him. Good luck with that, just don't be surprised when she starts cheating on you too.

 

[dgreen]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

With his injury history and the $16m guarantee for next year I doubt you'd ever be able to play him. Don't forget he's taking up a roster spot that could go to someone who could actually contribute. They'd be better off keeping a kicker that can boot the ball through the endzone. Or a young guy who has upside and can contribute to Special Teams.

Agreed. The financial side has to be part of this.

But, my main point was simply from the side of "Don't part ways with someone simply because there are hurt feelings or you might have to answer some questions from the media." If you want 3 QBs, then I think Griffin is that 3rd guy right now. If you can find someone else who you think would be a better 3rd QB, then bring that guy in. I just don't think all this extra stuff should be part of the decision. And, like I said, I don't actually have any faith the Redskins could handle the media questions throughout the season, so you might be able to throw my entire philosophy out the window. If they can't, I think that shows a complete lack of ability to manage and shows a lack of progress in changing the culture.

 

[thayman]

Morris, djax, garcon and cassell could play action this team to 7 or 8 wins.

Have you seen their schedule? Show me how they get 6 wins out of their non-division schedule, because 1-5 in the division is the absolute best they can hope for.

Your prediction of 1-5 in the division shows how little you follow the team or the division. The NFC East games are typically pretty competitive regardless of talent level or record.

 

[tangfoot]

Morris, djax, garcon and cassell could play action this team to 7 or 8 wins.

Have you seen their schedule? Show me how they get 6 wins out of their non-division schedule, because 1-5 in the division is the absolute best they can hope for.

Your prediction of 1-5 in the division shows how little you follow the team or the division. The NFC East games are typically pretty competitive regardless of talent level or record.

Okay, fine. Let's assume they are not worse than last year and go 2-4 (2014: 2-4, 2013: 0-6). That still requires you to find 5-6 wins in their non-division schedule.

Tampa Bay, @New York Jets, @Chicago Bears? I say they go 1-2 in these games.

MIA, STL, @ATL, @NE, NO, @CAR are all bad, bad losses.

Depending on who is QB for BUF in Week 15, they may have a shot, but that defense is sick.

 

[Marvelous]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

With his injury history and the $16m guarantee for next year I doubt you'd ever be able to play him. Don't forget he's taking up a roster spot that could go to someone who could actually contribute. They'd be better off keeping a kicker that can boot the ball through the endzone. Or a young guy who has upside and can contribute to Special Teams.

Agreed. The financial side has to be part of this.

But, my main point was simply from the side of "Don't part ways with someone simply because there are hurt feelings or you might have to answer some questions from the media." If you want 3 QBs, then I think Griffin is that 3rd guy right now. If you can find someone else who you think would be a better 3rd QB, then bring that guy in. I just don't think all this extra stuff should be part of the decision. And, like I said, I don't actually have any faith the Redskins could handle the media questions throughout the season, so you might be able to throw my entire philosophy out the window. If they can't, I think that shows a complete lack of ability to manage and shows a lack of progress in changing the culture.

I think the financial side has to play a role in the decision. Griffin's salary this yea is guaranteed, so there is no savings by cutting him. In fact, it will cost more money to bring in another QB.

But, if Griffin tears an ACL while running the scout team or tears an Achilles while cooking in his kitchen (I think that's what happened to Hall), the Redskins are on the hook for $16.1 M next year. That is the potential cost for keeping Griffin as the 3rd QB. Although the chances are low, if I am running the team, I don't take that chance.

 

[B-Deep]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

the reports i hear continually is that next year is guaranteed for injury. So if he is third string and blows a knee in paracitce and cannot play next year, he gets 16mil

if that is the case they cannot let him on the field (even the practice field) again

 

[B-Deep]

Assuming they are gonna cut RGIII before week 1. Trivia Question: who will be the Redskins # 3 quarterback?

This is my problem with cutting/trading him. If they think they should have 3 QBs on the roster, then they should keep him. Don't get rid of guys because of hurt feelings. Grow up. Unless they have someone out there who knows Jay's offense or if there's some veteran (think someone like a Kerry Collins or Vinny Testaverde...but not those guys today...you know what I mean) out there who can step into most situations and not complete mess things up, then keep Griffin. If they think they have options for a third QB, then do whatever. But, don't get rid of him simply because it's awkward.

Having said that, I'd keep him around because he's 25. If he causes problems, I'd use the disciplinary process to my advantage. If he wants out, he needs to work his way out in a positive way.

Of course, I would not pay him $16m next year. But, as of today, I don't need to worry about that.

With his injury history and the $16m guarantee for next year I doubt you'd ever be able to play him. Don't forget he's taking up a roster spot that could go to someone who could actually contribute. They'd be better off keeping a kicker that can boot the ball through the endzone. Or a young guy who has upside and can contribute to Special Teams.

Agreed. The financial side has to be part of this.

But, my main point was simply from the side of "Don't part ways with someone simply because there are hurt feelings or you might have to answer some questions from the media." If you want 3 QBs, then I think Griffin is that 3rd guy right now. If you can find someone else who you think would be a better 3rd QB, then bring that guy in. I just don't think all this extra stuff should be part of the decision. And, like I said, I don't actually have any faith the Redskins could handle the media questions throughout the season, so you might be able to throw my entire philosophy out the window. If they can't, I think that shows a complete lack of ability to manage and shows a lack of progress in changing the culture.

I think the financial side has to play a role in the decision. Griffin's salary this yea is guaranteed, so there is no savings by cutting him. In fact, it will cost more money to bring in another QB.

But, if Griffin tears an ACL while running the scout team or tears an Achilles while cooking in his kitchen (I think that's what happened to Hall), the Redskins are on the hook for $16.1 M next year. That is the potential cost for keeping Griffin as the 3rd QB. Although the chances are low, if I am running the team, I don't take that chance.

yeah, what he said!

 

[B-Deep]

part of me really thinks the Eagles may pick him up

seems like a Chip thing to do

 

[dgreen]

Yes, I'll admit the financial/cap angle is big here. I was more reacting to all the immediate calls to cut or trade him because "you can't go back to him now" or "he'll be a distraction" or "the media will keep asking questions until he's gone". Those seem like stupid reasons to cut him. $16m not a stupid reason.

 

[B-Deep]

Yes, I'll admit the financial/cap angle is big here. I was more reacting to all the immediate calls to cut or trade him because "you can't go back to him now" or "he'll be a distraction" or "the media will keep asking questions until he's gone". Those seem like stupid reasons to cut him. $16m not a stupid reason.

I'd agree with all of this

if cousins sucks you could certainly go back to him.

BUT, no way they take the 16mil risk...even if you think he an still be a good QB he is just not worth that

 

[dhockster]

part of me really thinks the Eagles may pick him up

seems like a Chip thing to do

I think (and hope) that Chip is smarter than that. He has already gone through the Michael Vick experiment.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

From John Keim:

Ok time to explain something so listen up. Early in camp from a naked eye it appeared Robert Griffin III was doing some things better....

Some coaches saw some encouraging signs. But as one said, 'you can't tell a lot in shorts'. What u couldn't tell was pocket presence

Some plays where he 'escaped' the pocket to make a play would have been sacks. Wrote that quite a bit. Some of u gloss over/forget that

Also, unless ur watching practice tape every day it's hard to truly know what happens on a play. Did he pass up open windows?

After the first five days or so, I saw more inconsistencies from past. Wrote that he was up-down. Never peddled idea he was great all camp

Then the games began and saw same flaws as in previous years. Saw others getting ball off quicker... Grabs ur attention. also, ...

At that point I think coaches couldn't keep trying to convince themselves it would change. Or try to convince others.

But early on yes some signs that made u wonder if things might change. But those went away. Some there felt Kirk/colt inconsistent too

If u had read the daily reports they did not somehow lead anyone to believe he was having some great camp. Thank u. Drive home safely.

 

[dgreen]

Love Keim. He's great because he's different than most. He does his best to avoid the soap opera stuff, but his job sometimes require him to comment on it. I do wish he didn't get caught up in the Twitter crap, but he often gets irked by comments people direct at him. I thought he'd be above that. I'd like to think I'd be above that if I was a journalist, but I can't say I would without walking in those shoes.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Love Keim. He's great because he's different than most. He does his best to avoid the soap opera stuff, but his job sometimes require him to comment on it. I do wish he didn't get caught up in the Twitter crap, but he often gets irked by comments people direct at him. I thought he'd be above that. I'd like to think I'd be above that if I was a journalist, but I can't say I would without walking in those shoes.

yea thats why i love him. But i was honestly waiting for him to touch on it. I think he had no choice. And alot of people really value his input on the organization. But yea you can tell he was taking some of the twitter posts to heart.

 

[Sebowski]

I've been marinating on RG3 just like all of you. Lots of angles to think about; lots of ways to think about it.... Lots of marinating and conclusions... Here is mine?

I don't care if he sucks. I just want him to be given a chance to prove it. I thought this was that time. Since February we were told this was his chance to sink or swim. To me, that means when #### matters: games. Too much invested in him to dismiss anything other real game-play to judge him on.

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title? RG3 was too good his rookie year and there has been too much invested in him to not let him sink or swim his season before we move on. An like I said, I'm fine with moving on. I just want to see it make sense first. We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do. If RG3 sucks like the brass thinks he does, then at least we seen it on the field. Not the preseason or practice. The field. When it counts.

All this situation does for me is tell me that Jay is just Jon's lesser brother. Never happy with his QB, always blaming someone else, and always looking for his next career move.

 

[Zdravko]

I don't know what you do with Griffin. someone may trade for him, but I wouldn't let him go into the NFC.

Very interesting statement - I am curious why not? The rest of your post is very clear that you think he was a one-trick (or one-read) pony and not NFL QB material. So why not ship him to anyone willing to take him?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

You have a bell cow. Conservative playcalling and a dink and dunk qb who limits turovers can get you wons against teams with marginal offenses (bucs, bears, jets, rams, panthers, bills, etc,). I think my original point was that Cassell is an upgrade over Cousins, but it might not matter. Id like to see Snyder run out of the league.