***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[Milkman]

Snyder will never sell. Unfortunately reputations are hard to shake. We're stuck with him and he's stuck with the image he's built.

 

[Swing 51]

Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title?

We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do.

No.

Two things with the second sentence: what if Subway Bob suffers a devestating injury (whether in a game or practice) - then we are on the hook for that 16mil next year. Another thing is Kirk would be coming in to try to save the season and that just increases the pressure on him/the team. Just get rid of Bob before the season, Kirk isn't looking over his shoulder, etc.

Personally I don't think we have the QB of the future on this squad, then again I did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night. Hope Kirk proves me wrong.

 

[MattFancy]

I've been marinating on RG3 just like all of you. Lots of angles to think about; lots of ways to think about it.... Lots of marinating and conclusions... Here is mine?

I don't care if he sucks. I just want him to be given a chance to prove it. I thought this was that time. Since February we were told this was his chance to sink or swim. To me, that means when #### matters: games. Too much invested in him to dismiss anything other real game-play to judge him on.

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title? RG3 was too good his rookie year and there has been too much invested in him to not let him sink or swim his season before we move on. An like I said, I'm fine with moving on. I just want to see it make sense first. We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do. If RG3 sucks like the brass thinks he does, then at least we seen it on the field. Not the preseason or practice. The field. When it counts.

All this situation does for me is tell me that Jay is just Jon's lesser brother. Never happy with his QB, always blaming someone else, and always looking for his next career move.

Good post here.

I'm a bit of a Griffin guy. I do think he should have been give more of a chance this year. For Gruden to say all offseason, "Robert is the starter", then as soon as he gets dinged a bit, "Kirk gives us the best chance and it's his team now". How did things change so quickly? Like those comments from Keim on the previous page say, Kirk wasn't exactly a model of consistency in practices either. Sure, maybe Kirk has looked better during the preseason games, but up until last week, he was going against 2nd/3rd string. It just seems like Griffin was never really the starter this year and Gruden was looking for an opportunity to replace him. Concussion happens and in comes Kirk.

Now, is Kirk better? I have no idea. He does some thing better than Griffin for sure, but I don't know if that will mean anything in the win column. We all know Kirk can put some nice stretches together, but he can also put up a bunch of duds as well. I wish him well this season, but I don't think Kirk is going to make a huge difference in the overall performance of this team. We're not a mediocre QB away. Kirk can be decent if we don't ask much from him, IMO. But with how the defense and OL has looked so far, he's going to have to do more than he can.

This offseason will be a huge one for the future of the franchise. It's pretty clear next year's starter isn't on this team. That's not to say they don't bring Kirk back, though I think he'll want to go somewhere that he can start. But we're going to have to be in position to draft a top QB. Unless McCloughan can hit the lottery again and get a Wilson type guy in the middle rounds.

 

[VaTerp]

I've been marinating on RG3 just like all of you. Lots of angles to think about; lots of ways to think about it.... Lots of marinating and conclusions... Here is mine?

I don't care if he sucks. I just want him to be given a chance to prove it. I thought this was that time. Since February we were told this was his chance to sink or swim. To me, that means when #### matters: games. Too much invested in him to dismiss anything other real game-play to judge him on.

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title? RG3 was too good his rookie year and there has been too much invested in him to not let him sink or swim his season before we move on. An like I said, I'm fine with moving on. I just want to see it make sense first. We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do. If RG3 sucks like the brass thinks he does, then at least we seen it on the field. Not the preseason or practice. The field. When it counts.

All this situation does for me is tell me that Jay is just Jon's lesser brother. Never happy with his QB, always blaming someone else, and always looking for his next career move.

I agree 100%. For sure some of this is on Griffin and defencies in his game but it feels like he was set up to fail by the organization and specifically by Gruden. Jay essentially gave up on the QB he was hired to develop a few months into the job. The body language and press conferences last year were unprofessional and unacceptable IMO.

If it was a choice between Griffin and Gruden I would take Griffin every day of the week. Sadly though his release seems inevitable at this point. Say what you want but I just don't believe in giving up on a 25 year old QB who displayed one amazing season followed by 2 bad to mediocre seasons compromised by injury and poor coaching. We've seen multiple QBs develop at later stages and McCloughan essentially said this off season that you don't give up on a young QB this early.

Maybe Gruden and Cousins truly have something and develop into a winning coach/QB partnership but I have zero confidence in that. I think RG3's failure in DC is much more reflective of the dysfunction and poor management of the organization than of the player himself.

 

[MattFancy]

I've been marinating on RG3 just like all of you. Lots of angles to think about; lots of ways to think about it.... Lots of marinating and conclusions... Here is mine?

I don't care if he sucks. I just want him to be given a chance to prove it. I thought this was that time. Since February we were told this was his chance to sink or swim. To me, that means when #### matters: games. Too much invested in him to dismiss anything other real game-play to judge him on.

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title? RG3 was too good his rookie year and there has been too much invested in him to not let him sink or swim his season before we move on. An like I said, I'm fine with moving on. I just want to see it make sense first. We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do. If RG3 sucks like the brass thinks he does, then at least we seen it on the field. Not the preseason or practice. The field. When it counts.

All this situation does for me is tell me that Jay is just Jon's lesser brother. Never happy with his QB, always blaming someone else, and always looking for his next career move.

I agree 100%. For sure some of this is on Griffin and defencies in his game but it feels like he was set up to fail by the organization and specifically by Gruden. Jay essentially gave up on the QB he was hired to develop a few months into the job. The body language and press conferences last year were unprofessional and unacceptable IMO.

If it was a choice between Griffin and Gruden I would take Griffin every day of the week. Sadly though his release seems inevitable at this point. Say what you want but I just don't believe in giving up on a 25 year old QB who displayed one amazing season followed by 2 bad to mediocre seasons compromised by injury and poor coaching. We've seen multiple QBs develop at later stages and McCloughan essentially said this off season that you don't give up on a young QB this early.

Maybe Gruden and Cousins truly have something and develop into a winning coach/QB partnership but I have zero confidence in that. I think RG3's failure in DC is much more reflective of the dysfunction and poor management of the organization than of the player himself.

I don't know how Gruden gets out of this mess. He was pretty much brought in here to make RG3 into an NFL QB. I think we can all agree that he failed on that front. Yes, RG3 got hurt and missed game last season, but it was pretty clear from the beginning that Gruden wasn't a fan of Griffin. Even Ryan Clark said yesterday, that the way Gruden treated Griffin was not your typical Coach/QB relationship. Clark basically inferred that Gruden didn't respect Griffin.

And again, I'm not saying Gruden wanted Griffin to get hurt, but I don't think he minded.

Do I think Griffin can go somewhere else and be successful? Probably. If he goes into a system with a coach that is willing to work with him and play to his strengths, then sure why couldn't he be? Gruden just never seemed to be the right fit to develop Griffin. That is on Snyder/Allen. I always wanted Darrell Bevell here anyway.

 

[Marvelous]

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title?

I think this is exactly the incorrect approach. It is pretty universally acknowledged that Cousins runs the offense better than Griffin. That should result in better play and more wins.

Think about it this way. Do you want Brandon Scherff learning to block with the correct line calls by the QB? Or would you rather have him in the correct alignments and not knowing where his QB is? And then next year, when Griffin is gone, unlearning all the bad habits he learned from all the poor play?

Do you want the defense always in the hole, or sometimes in a position to win a field position type of game?

Do you want another 3-13 season, or do you want to see progress at 6-10?

This organization needs to win. They need to start purging the losing atmosphere. And it needs to start today. If Cousins is better for that first step, then Cousins should be the starter. If Griffin can't help the team move forward as the 3rd string QB, they should cut him.

Titles aren't going to come overnight. But the first step needs to happen now. If I am McCloughan, I am not wasting a year and losing my juice if I don't have to.

 

[MattFancy]

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title?

I think this is exactly the incorrect approach. It is pretty universally acknowledged that Cousins runs the offense better than Griffin. That should result in better play and more wins.

Think about it this way. Do you want Brandon Scherff learning to block with the correct line calls by the QB? Or would you rather have him in the correct alignments and not knowing where his QB is? And then next year, when Griffin is gone, unlearning all the bad habits he learned from all the poor play?

Do you want the defense always in the hole, or sometimes in a position to win a field position type of game?

Do you want another 3-13 season, or do you want to see progress at 6-10?

This organization needs to win. They need to start purging the losing atmosphere. And it needs to start today. If Cousins is better for that first step, then Cousins should be the starter. If Griffin can't help the team move forward as the 3rd string QB, they should cut him.

Titles are going to come overnight. But the first step needs to happen now. If I am McCloughan, I am not wasting a year and losing my juice if I don't have to.

This year was always going to be a lost year anyway. McCloughan has pretty much said that he doesn't expect wins to come this season, but he hopes to see progress. I'm not so sold on the wins this year as I am seeing a competitive football team.

Being competitive would be a nice step in the right direction with this team.

 

[Marvelous]

I've been marinating on RG3 just like all of you. Lots of angles to think about; lots of ways to think about it.... Lots of marinating and conclusions... Here is mine?

I don't care if he sucks. I just want him to be given a chance to prove it. I thought this was that time. Since February we were told this was his chance to sink or swim. To me, that means when #### matters: games. Too much invested in him to dismiss anything other real game-play to judge him on.

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title? RG3 was too good his rookie year and there has been too much invested in him to not let him sink or swim his season before we move on. An like I said, I'm fine with moving on. I just want to see it make sense first. We aren't winning anything this year and even if RG3 plays the first half of the season there is still time to look at Cousins if that's what we need to do. If RG3 sucks like the brass thinks he does, then at least we seen it on the field. Not the preseason or practice. The field. When it counts.

All this situation does for me is tell me that Jay is just Jon's lesser brother. Never happy with his QB, always blaming someone else, and always looking for his next career move.

I agree 100%. For sure some of this is on Griffin and defencies in his game but it feels like he was set up to fail by the organization and specifically by Gruden. Jay essentially gave up on the QB he was hired to develop a few months into the job. The body language and press conferences last year were unprofessional and unacceptable IMO.

If it was a choice between Griffin and Gruden I would take Griffin every day of the week. Sadly though his release seems inevitable at this point. Say what you want but I just don't believe in giving up on a 25 year old QB who displayed one amazing season followed by 2 bad to mediocre seasons compromised by injury and poor coaching. We've seen multiple QBs develop at later stages and McCloughan essentially said this off season that you don't give up on a young QB this early.

Maybe Gruden and Cousins truly have something and develop into a winning coach/QB partnership but I have zero confidence in that. I think RG3's failure in DC is much more reflective of the dysfunction and poor management of the organization than of the player himself.

Based on all that has happened, I have some thoughts and opinions.

1. Snyder's meddling appears to be way overstated. All indications is that McCloughan is making all the personnel calls and Snyder is not.

2. Gruden is clearly not a Griffin fan, based on what Gruden said last year.

3. So for Griffin to be anointed the starter in February, Griffin had McCloughan on his side. McCloughan saw Griffin's potential and wanted to see them give it one more shot at developing it up close.

4. Gruden and McCloughan have both essentially said that all these matters are organizational decisions. McCloughan has final say on personnel, but emphasized the teamwork involved with all the coaches. Gruden says he has final say on who plays, but also mentions how he consults with McCloughan.

5. So the bottom line: Griffin lost McCloughan's support. Without McCloughan or Gruden on his side, he cannot be the starter.

 

[Swing 51]

Here I was going to say "unless Kirk Cousins looks like the next Joe Montana in practice and preseason", but you know what? Even if he does, let RG3 play the first 4-8 games and see what happens. What's there to lose at this point? Anyone think Cousins is going to take us to a title?

Do you want another 3-13 season, or do you want to see progress at 6-10?

Jesus this is sad

 

[Swing 51]

Know your why

John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer

Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III lost his starting job this past week and might lose a roster spot later in the week. What he hasn't lost is his faith.Griffin hasn't publicly commented since Kirk Cousins was announced as the starter Monday but tweeted Wednesday morning, "Though we all face obstacles in life, I encourage you to lean on God throughout & remember his promise Jeremiah 29:11."

Griffin often issues faith-related tweets. Four days ago, after neurologists failed to clear him for Saturday's preseason game versus the Baltimore Ravens -- after having done so the previous day -- Griffin tweeted, "Trusting in God even when I don't understand why certain things happen. James 1:2-3 (NLT)."

Later Wednesday, Griffin will attend the Redskins' Welcome Home Luncheon, along with the rest of his teammates and approximately 200 fans. Each player is introduced to the crowd.

 

[dgreen]

Titles are going to come overnight.

 

[dhockster]

As a 35+ year redskin fan, today is probably the happiest I have been in 10 years. I've let my feeling on rg3 out since year 1. Even with all the impressive stats, he was not an nfl QB. It was 1 read and it worked while the nfl hadn't caught on and while he was healthy. The guy just never had nfl QB qualities. He was a really, really bad version of Michael Vick. Vick just understood the game much better.

Now cousins gets his shot. I think he is an nfl QB. I compare him to rivers and Eli manning. Much like them he will put up a lot of yards and manage the game well. But he will also have awful games with fumbles and Ints. We will have to live with 2-3 terrible games. But I think he can bring this team into the 6-10 to 8-8 level this year, which is moving in the right direction. He is probably not ready to take them to the playoffs, nor is the rest of the team good enough. But maybe the following year they can get there.

I don't know what you do with Griffin. someone may trade for him, but I wouldn't let him go into the NFC. kind of hope a Houston would give him a shot for a player or low pick. But someone has to eat the 16m contract and that's a tough sell. Have to find someone to trade with that has equally bad contract situation with a player. My guess is he goes to inactive qb3, gets cut in the offseason. But hopefully for rg3 and the Redskins they can move him.

I think this is where you trust your evaluation of him. If your evaluation is he will never live up to his potential as an NFL QB and therefore, you don't want him on your team, then you want him going to someone in the NFC. Let them spend the time chasing fools gold. The Eagles had no problem trading McNabb to the Redskins because they thought he was past his prime and wasn't a very good QB anymore. Guess what? They were right and the Redskins suffered for it. I don't think anyone is going to trade for Griffin because of his lack of fundamentals at the position and because of his contract, but if somebody within the NFC has interest, by all means, let them have him and get whatever you can for him.

 

[dgreen]

I'm in agreement with Sebowski in that I'd personally like to see Griffin play it out to see what happens. But, I don't agree that's the path the team should take. Fans, and media, tend to think that WE need to see certain things in games before it's ok for teams to reach a conclusion. Coaches and GMs don't need real games to make evaluations.

Now, the other side of this is whether or not you trust Jay can properly evaluate things. Is he a good coach? If Gibbs made this decision, I'd be fully on board and trust him. Jay, not so much. When Gibbs moved on quickly from Ramsey back to Brunell, fans complained. We need to see more of Ramsey! But Gibbs knew otherwise and it appeared to be the right move. I'm pretty sure I trusted Gibbs at that time.

 

[VaTerp]

And that is my issue. I do not trust Gruden's evaluation or instincts at all.

I do have much more trust in McCloughan.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm in agreement with Sebowski in that I'd personally like to see Griffin play it out to see what happens. But, I don't agree that's the path the team should take. Fans, and media, tend to think that WE need to see certain things in games before it's ok for teams to reach a conclusion. Coaches and GMs don't need real games to make evaluations.

Now, the other side of this is whether or not you trust Jay can properly evaluate things. Is he a good coach? If Gibbs made this decision, I'd be fully on board and trust him. Jay, not so much. When Gibbs moved on quickly from Ramsey back to Brunell, fans complained. We need to see more of Ramsey! But Gibbs knew otherwise and it appeared to be the right move. I'm pretty sure I trusted Gibbs at that time.

I actually thought about this a bit. Gibbs' decisions overall really weren't that much better than others before him. But everyone trusted him running the team.

The big difference: it felt like there was someone who knew what they were doing running the team. Like there was an adult in charge.

The big thing the Redskins have lacked last year, during the Zorn era, or during the Spurrier era: it just felt like a bunch of clowns were running the team.

 

[Marvelous]

Know your why

John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer

Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III lost his starting job this past week and might lose a roster spot later in the week. What he hasn't lost is his faith.Griffin hasn't publicly commented since Kirk Cousins was announced as the starter Monday but tweeted Wednesday morning, "Though we all face obstacles in life, I encourage you to lean on God throughout & remember his promise Jeremiah 29:11."

Griffin often issues faith-related tweets. Four days ago, after neurologists failed to clear him for Saturday's preseason game versus the Baltimore Ravens -- after having done so the previous day -- Griffin tweeted, "Trusting in God even when I don't understand why certain things happen. James 1:2-3 (NLT)."

Later Wednesday, Griffin will attend the Redskins' Welcome Home Luncheon, along with the rest of his teammates and approximately 200 fans. Each player is introduced to the crowd.

A little more on the concussion issue:

1. Griffin never believed he had a concussion. That explains Griffin's elusive answers in his press conference.

2. Last Thursday, the neurologist verbally said Griffin was cleared. Then Friday, the written report said he was not. So the Redskins really were surprised by this.

3. The NFLPA said the Redskins followed the protocol correctly based on their initial review. They apparently review every concussion, so the review is not unusual.

 

[B-Deep]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

 

[Swing 51]

Any chance Bob is petty and gets "injured" in order to collect the 16mil and stick it to the organization?

 

[dhockster]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

Was the option picked up before the new GM was hired?

 

[tangfoot]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

Was the option picked up before the new GM was hired?

No. It was picked up in late-April. The new GM was hired in early January.

 

[B-Deep]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

Was the option picked up before the new GM was hired?

No. It was picked up in late-April. The new GM was hired in early January.

there may be a reason i am missing, but it baffles me

 

[dehaven123]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000518752/article/robert-griffin-iii-saga-why-cutting-qb-makes-sense-for-redskins

the end is near.

 

[Marvelous]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

Was the option picked up before the new GM was hired?

No. It was picked up in late-April. The new GM was hired in early January.

there may be a reason i am missing, but it baffles me

From what I have seen, all players who do not have their 5th year options picked up are basically lame duck players. They know the teams don't want them and they will not be back next year. So from the vote of confidence perspective, the Redskins had to pick up the option. Now, in retrospect, it was a bad decision.

 

[B-Deep]

What i do not understand is picking up the option

without that you have a lot of options this year, you could bench him and go back to him if needed, you can do whatever you want

with next year now guranteed for injury, if you play him every snap risks you dropping 16mil on a QB you may not want next year.

this seems like the thing they mishandled the most

Was the option picked up before the new GM was hired?

No. It was picked up in late-April. The new GM was hired in early January.

there may be a reason i am missing, but it baffles me

From what I have seen, all players who do not have their 5th year options picked up are basically lame duck players. They know the teams don't want them and they will not be back next year. So from the vote of confidence perspective, the Redskins had to pick up the option. Now, in retrospect, it was a bad decision.

sorry, injury guaranteeing an injury prone player for 16million when you are not sure he is a starter is a BAD idea

if he needs that vote of confidence, that alone should have answered the question

 

[(HULK)]

If I'm Bob, I jump off my roof to break a few things and collect the $16M.

 

[B-Deep]

If I'm Bob, I jump off my roof to break a few things and collect the $16M.

i am hopeful he is semi honest

he has a concussion, if he keeps claiming he has headaches and blurred vision they cannot clear him. he has to fake that till what, march or april to get 16mil?????

of course, if he had a concussion where the symptoms lasted that long he'd never get signed again as a QB, but there's not much indication he'll make $16 mil the entire rest of his career anyway

i sincerly doubt he'd do this, but it would probably be his best financial option!

 

[Zdravko]

I don't like Griffin, but sympathize with him a lot. If I were him, I would use my 16M bird-in-the-hand year as leverage to get traded for a 7th-rounder and start over. When not forced into the pure pocket passer mold overnight, he would win the job in some less dysfunctional franchise like CLE, HOU or BUF. Would be fun to watch Snyder & Co's if they lose to an RG3 team.

In the meantime, can't wait for the next iteration of QB-flipflopping from Gruden and McCloughan when the Skins are 1-5 and getting pummeled by that bastion of patience and objectivity called DC sports talk radio.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I'm assuming there is some logic behind picking up the option because it happened post-McCloughan but it's really making this even more complicated. I think if they're ready to move on from Griffin (seems to be the case) then IMO you can't play him with that hanging out there, and really probably don't even want him in full contact practices.

My understanding is that he'd undergo a physical in March and if he can't pass they'd be on the hook for $16M, which would be a terrible cap hit for nothing in return. I'm still somewhat of a Robert guy and usually think the injury prone label is overused, but he just can't seem to protect himself at all. I'd be very leery of having him anywhere near contact at this point, just too risky if they don't want him at all. Apparently they can't do anything with him until the concussion situation is cleared.

This may have been posted last season but I just saw it again the other day, pretty good writeup on areas where Robert regressed - http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/01/robert-griffin-III-washington-redskins-jay-gruden-fixing

 

[JuniorNB]

RG3's problem is that the Redskins tried to protect their investment and turn him into a pocket passer. They quickly found out that his skillset is not meant for that and he became a below average quarterback. So the logical solution would be to turn him loose and let him dazzle the league with his speed and athletic ability like he did in his rookie year. Problem with that is, he's way too brittle at this point. There really is no role for him in the NFL any more. I really can't imagine another team wanting him.

 

[tangfoot]

RG3's problem is that the Redskins tried to protect their investment and turn him into a pocket passer.

I've read some differing accounts of this. Other versions say that RG3 (through his father) wanted to change his playing style.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

RG3's problem is that the Redskins tried to protect their investment and turn him into a pocket passer.

I've read some differing accounts of this. Other versions say that RG3 (through his father) wanted to change his playing style.

I agree-- my initial readings were it was against RG3's decision to try to become a pocket passer but have since read where Bob Two Sticks was upset with the exposure his son was taking.

My thing is RG3 can make the throws that it takes as a pocket passer, he just can't do ANY of the pre-snap or pre-throw stuff. To me it's the same analogy of a baseball player being a good thrower vs. being a good pitcher.

 

[Marvelous]

RG3's problem is that the Redskins tried to protect their investment and turn him into a pocket passer.

I've read some differing accounts of this. Other versions say that RG3 (through his father) wanted to change his playing style.

I agree-- my initial readings were it was against RG3's decision to try to become a pocket passer but have since read where Bob Two Sticks was upset with the exposure his son was taking.

My thing is RG3 can make the throws that it takes as a pocket passer, he just can't do ANY of the pre-snap or pre-throw stuff. To me it's the same analogy of a baseball player being a good thrower vs. being a good pitcher.

There are many reports, including from Mike Shanahan's interview, that one day, Griffin came into Shanahan's office and said he did not want to run the read option anymore.

There are other reports that the Shanahans agreed to run it less read option. Then during a game when the offense was sputtering, Kyle called 3 read option plays in one series. And Griffin was pissed.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Yeah, his dad was out in the media after rookie year saying he wanted to see him throw more and run less. I think the local media has covered this plenty but national media sometimes seems to leave out the fact that the drastic change in playcalling from year 1 to year 2 was supposedly due to RG3 (and possibly Snyder's) asking, whereas Shanny claims he had a multi-year plan to gradually ease him into a normal passing offense.

The irony is that IIRC both his concussion rookie year and the Ngata hit that hurt his knee were on plays where he scrambled and took off on his own. He could run the ball 40 times all season and he'd still take 15 hits that are painful to watch, he just does a very poor job of protecting himself.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

The irony is that IIRC both his concussion rookie year and the Ngata hit that hurt his knee were on plays where he scrambled and took off on his own. He could run the ball 40 times all season and he'd still take 15 hits that are painful to watch, he just does a very poor job of protecting himself.

This is correct. I can't tell you how many times he took hits that I half expected him not to get back up from.

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

 

[tangfoot]

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

...and for no reason, either. It's not like he couldn't have thrown that ball a second or so earlier.

 

[MattFancy]

The irony is that IIRC both his concussion rookie year and the Ngata hit that hurt his knee were on plays where he scrambled and took off on his own. He could run the ball 40 times all season and he'd still take 15 hits that are painful to watch, he just does a very poor job of protecting himself.

This is correct. I can't tell you how many times he took hits that I half expected him not to get back up from.

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

I think dong pouch is going to be the name of one of my fantasy team's this year.

 

[Ted Mullins]

My thing is RG3 can make the throws that it takes as a pocket passer, he just can't do ANY of the pre-snap or pre-throw stuff. To me it's the same analogy of a baseball player being a good thrower vs. being a good pitcher.

They were talking about this on the Junkies the other day - they said at Baylor the plays were called in from the booth by the coaching staff, so the coaches actually did a lot of the pre-snap reads and stuff for him. I've read that the Eagles are using a similar setup, not sure if it's true?

I totally agree with you though, the sentiment has gone so negative on RG3 that I've seen people act like he could never throw at all - you could tell his rookie year he could make just about every throw you could ask him to make, he just wasn't ready with the mental aspect and has gotten even worse. I always assumed that he'd get there because we heard about how smart he is, just never happened.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

...and for no reason, either. It's not like he couldn't have thrown that ball a second or so earlier.

He held on so long that both receivers were in the same spot. Seems to me getting rid of it sooner only promotes more open space on that play...

 

[SeanTaylor21]

My thing is RG3 can make the throws that it takes as a pocket passer, he just can't do ANY of the pre-snap or pre-throw stuff. To me it's the same analogy of a baseball player being a good thrower vs. being a good pitcher.

They were talking about this on the Junkies the other day - they said at Baylor the plays were called in from the booth by the coaching staff, so the coaches actually did a lot of the pre-snap reads and stuff for him. I've read that the Eagles are using a similar setup, not sure if it's true?

I totally agree with you though, the sentiment has gone so negative on RG3 that I've seen people act like he could never throw at all - you could tell his rookie year he could make just about every throw you could ask him to make, he just wasn't ready with the mental aspect and has gotten even worse. I always assumed that he'd get there because we heard about how smart he is, just never happened.

I still remember the throw to Garcon against the Saints his rookie year. Not the one that should've been picked and Garcon housed it, but the throw where he rolled left and threw a 40 yard dime back to the right to hit Garcon on the sideline. I believe that was on 3rd and 10+ as well. That play alone took me from 6 to midnight and gave me a feeling no other Skins QB had ever made me feel.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

In other news.....

they need to just create a reality TV show on this team. No need to script it.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

In other news.....

they need to just create a reality TV show on this team. No need to script it.

This organization makes me want to only have to worry about football inflation levels.

Instead it's our name. Nope! Our owner firing our coach thinking it's pleasing our QB. Nope! It's our QB getting hurt. Now he's benched. Now he's starting. Just kidding, he was never benched. Another Subway commercial. Kirk Cousins is amazing. Kirk Cousins completes more to the other team. Our owner's wife tweets vulgar stuff. Oh our owner wants to buy a new stadium.

Nothing but drama.

 

[dehaven123]

The irony is that IIRC both his concussion rookie year and the Ngata hit that hurt his knee were on plays where he scrambled and took off on his own. He could run the ball 40 times all season and he'd still take 15 hits that are painful to watch, he just does a very poor job of protecting himself.

This is correct. I can't tell you how many times he took hits that I half expected him not to get back up from.

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

Lol dong pouch that's some funny stuff

 

[VaTerp]

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/redskins-gms-wife-diana-russilo/

Are you FN serious?

 

[MikeApf]

This is correct. I can't tell you how many times he took hits that I half expected him not to get back up from.

Even in the preseason vs. the Browns; rollout to his left and threw a pass and took a helmet to the dong pouch because he held on so long.

Lol dong pouch that's some funny stuff

By contrast, lookit how our new starting QB protects his dong pouch:

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/8/29/9226273/nfl-washington-quarterback-kirk-cousins-might-be-touching-himself-calling-plays

 

[dgreen]

@dandalyonsports: #RG3 since his injury: 20 TD passes, 18 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 83.7 rating. Gruden is pretty much benching him for being Kirk Cousins.#Redskins #NFL

I enjoy Dan's tweets. Don't always agree with him, but enjoy him.

 

[dgreen]

In other news.....

they need to just create a reality TV show on this team. No need to script it.

This organization makes me want to only have to worry about football inflation levels.Instead it's our name. Nope! Our owner firing our coach thinking it's pleasing our QB. Nope! It's our QB getting hurt. Now he's benched. Now he's starting. Just kidding, he was never benched. Another Subway commercial. Kirk Cousins is amazing. Kirk Cousins completes more to the other team. Our owner's wife tweets vulgar stuff. Oh our owner wants to buy a new stadium.

Nothing but drama.

That would have been amazing if it was the owner's wife. That would potentially be meaningful. This? Do I care? At all? I mean, yeah, I'm laughing, but I don't see how it matters at all.

 

[dgreen]

Let's hear some predictions about the next Redskins story and when it breaks.

I'm going with Larry Michael actually uses "Redskins" as an actual racial slur towards an American Indian. And it breaks two hours before kickoff tomorrow.

 

[dannyboy]

@dandalyonsports: #RG3 since his injury: 20 TD passes, 18 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 83.7 rating. Gruden is pretty much benching him for being Kirk Cousins.#Redskins #NFL

I enjoy Dan's tweets. Don't always agree with him, but enjoy him.

He conveniently leaves out the sack numbers. Griffin played in 9 games last year (7 starts) and was sacked 33 times. Cousins played 6 (5 starts) and was sacked 8 times. It's no wonder the Redskins offense was so bad with Rg3 running the show. How can you sustain any drives when you are getting sacked at such a high rate. This goes back to his main fundamental flaw. He holds on to the ball too long, and either will not or cannot process information fast enough. He is also horrible in the pocket at sliding and giving himself that half extra second to get the pass off.

 

[dgreen]

@john_keim: I like analyzing football. Someday if I cover the NFL long enough I'll do that for an entire season. Fingers crossed!

 

[zftcg]

Two things you should know about me:

1. I view my sports loyalties the way I view religion. You pick one as a child -- most likely from your parents -- and that's it for the rest of your life. It becomes part of your identity.

2. I've been a Washington fan since I was nine years old.

I've never had this thought until the past few days, but now I'm really starting to wonder why I still cheer for them. They're terrible. I loathe the owner. Not a fan of the coach either. They have a racist nickname. They are utterly incompetent. Lots of teams have blown first-round picks on franchise QBs who didn't pan out, but only Washington manages to turn it into a never-ending soap opera. Oh, and the one guy who seems like he might be competent is married to a nutjob.

What's left at this point?