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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (2 Viewers)

With Logan, there's no story in getting from Logan to the MiB. 
Him wanting to return and find William who ditched his(Logan's) sister? That right there explains the MiB obsession with continuing to go there for 30 years. Also explains the violence MiB shows towards Dolores.

We know Logan already looked down on and didn't like William, not a stretch to think William leaving Logan for 'dead' tipped Logan to the psychopath role. 

 
Him wanting to return and find William who ditched his(Logan's) sister? That right there explains the MiB obsession with continuing to go there for 30 years. Also explains the violence MiB shows towards Dolores.

We know Logan already looked down on and didn't like William, not a stretch to think William leaving Logan for 'dead' tipped Logan to the psychopath role. 
What have we been shown that would indicate that Logan would give a crap about whether William bailed on his sister?  She's a plot device, not even a character at this point. 

 
Yeah, that article on the Logan theory pretty much just marshals evidence in favor of William, IMO.  Logan's long monologue about William being middle-management, blah blah blah sets up a narrative arc for William.  How William can both evolve into being a "gamer" who doesn't respect the Host's humanity and how he can evolve into powerful corporate figure recognized in the outside world.

With Logan, there's no story in getting from Logan to the MiB.  He'd be fully formed.  But if that were so, why focus on William's position in the company?  Narratively, it makes sense for William to make his place in the company by "saving" the park in order for Delos to acquire it. 
:goodposting:

also- narratively, in the context of a tv show... it wouldn't make sense for a secondary (at best) character... so far... be linked with the guy most of us think of us as being at the center of the story.

 
Least surprising reveal ever?
Surprising to me since I haven't been following this thread much. I caught up on the first few episodes and watch the new ones either Sunday night or Monday. Great freaking show and I wasn't expecting Arnold to be a host. I was sort of wondering about if that might be happening, but the what door line was awesome.

I think Elsie is alive, wondering who grabbed her. A host for Ford to find out what Theresa was doing? Elsie was very friendly with Bernard so Ford would have known everything she was doing and where she was going.

I love that Ford is way ahead of the board lady and Theresa on everything and now we know why. It just makes you wonder how much of everything Bernard has done was all just a big setup and how many other Bernard's are out there. If hosts do all the mapping and monitoring, the people that work there could all be thinking they are in far more control. Yes, I know, obvious, but I haven't been reading anything online about the show, so I'm just observing the show itself.

I think this may be my favorite show on TV now. Love Game of Thrones, so hard to top that, but this has (don't laugh) a lot of Lost elements in terms of feeling like you are trying to solve mysteries that you don't know. GOT's isn't really a big mystery type show, it's just a cool, who is going to die a horrible death show. I just searched and I saw one of the actors say they've got 5 or 6 seasons planned out. I keep forgetting J.J. Abrams is involved.

 
Him wanting to return and find William who ditched his(Logan's) sister? That right there explains the MiB obsession with continuing to go there for 30 years. Also explains the violence MiB shows towards Dolores.

We know Logan already looked down on and didn't like William, not a stretch to think William leaving Logan for 'dead' tipped Logan to the psychopath role. 
So William is in the center of the maze? I dig it. 

 
The character turn is that Logan becomes a babyface outside the park but keeps the persona while chasing down William. We already know MIB is a good guy outside. 

 
william could be the center of the maze AND the MIB. :loco:

gets there with delores' help in t-30, but somehow gets bumped out back to reality. now, as MIB, he's trying to get back there and is pissed at delores because she's the one that turned on him and got him bumped. and then all the girls get naked with boobs.

 
Also, hypothetically, if Ford is getting all data from hosts, wouldn't he know about Maeve? 
He does. 

(While I am assuming, how can we assume anything but? He's flat out said it.  I also doubt it's coincidence that multiple bots are developing sense of being at the same time here.  Seems as if a plan is currently underway... and that may play into the corporate power game / chess match as much as anything)

 
I'm too lazy but a dumb question that popped into my head.

For the t-30 crowd when you've seen the old logo, whose point of view was it from in the show?  Now that we know the point of view of the bot makes a huge difference in what we see I'm just wondering if only certain people would be seeing the "old" logo.

 
I'm too lazy but a dumb question that popped into my head.

For the t-30 crowd when you've seen the old logo, whose point of view was it from in the show?  Now that we know the point of view of the bot makes a huge difference in what we see I'm just wondering if only certain people would be seeing the "old" logo.
They've shown it through-

William's when he first does his walkthrough

Ford/Bernard's conversation about building the bots before the park opened

Bernard's when he to look up info on an old computer. 

Might be more, but that's the ones I recall right meow

 
For whatever it's worth, I went back to watch this week's episode again.  One thing stood out - when Delores, William and Lawrence were on the train, after the short Mexican stand-off, Lawrence and William went to have a drink at the front of the car, while Delores stayed by the coffin with the maze stamped on it. When Delores said "I'm coming" she was the only one on the train. 

So, absent, really bad editing, which I don't believe, Delores has been on that train several times/loops, with and without William.  Much like the scene at her house where we saw one scene where she gets shot, and another where she escapes, within the same sequence. 


I'm about here and think this is on the money.  Haven't read much forward in this thread so things could be completely off the rails, but my guess is the whole rail car thing is a loop and she's been in and out of that loop several times.  

It's a good show not great, I like what they've done with the show in the way they show certain humans engaging with it.  I like how Hector grabs a gun and proclaims it an upgrade as if playing a COD type game, and is trying to "beat" the game by getting deeper in the storyline. Everyone is playing the same game in a different way.  

Maybe I'm not watching for the tiny little details, and some of that is coming from perspective of watching an episode roughly every 2 or 3 days and not running off to reddit for theories, but it doesn't seem like there's some sort of big payoff coming or some mind####. :shrug:  

 
I'm about here and think this is on the money.  Haven't read much forward in this thread so things could be completely off the rails, but my guess is the whole rail car thing is a loop and she's been in and out of that loop several times.  

It's a good show not great, I like what they've done with the show in the way they show certain humans engaging with it.  I like how Hector grabs a gun and proclaims it an upgrade as if playing a COD type game, and is trying to "beat" the game by getting deeper in the storyline. Everyone is playing the same game in a different way.  

Maybe I'm not watching for the tiny little details, and some of that is coming from perspective of watching an episode roughly every 2 or 3 days and not running off to reddit for theories, but it doesn't seem like there's some sort of big payoff coming or some mind####. :shrug:  
you realize people can have theories and opinions without running off to reddit?

at this point in the show, I think we almost have to assume that each of the storylines from the bots' perspective is likely a loop that's been previously enacted (barring Bernard). makes any assumptions about payoff tough to call- is it going to be something that just resets that particular loop, something that has already happened, or is it something distinct to any timeline and the story is about that moment of distinction? I hope the latter, but the story-telling is so good and the concepts completely interesting to me, that I'm just enjoying the ride... a lot.

 
you realize people can have theories and opinions without running off to reddit?

at this point in the show, I think we almost have to assume that each of the storylines from the bots' perspective is likely a loop that's been previously enacted (barring Bernard). makes any assumptions about payoff tough to call- is it going to be something that just resets that particular loop, something that has already happened, or is it something distinct to any timeline and the story is about that moment of distinction? I hope the latter, but the story-telling is so good and the concepts completely interesting to me, that I'm just enjoying the ride... a lot.
Your mind will be so ####ed it will need a morning after pill.

 
I thought the ruse was kind of stupid. Sure the reveries were established to be negative for the bots, but they were so over the top with it that it seemed dumb to have hottie hooker go all bruce lee

 
what i like the most is you don't really know anymore whos a bot and whos real.  And the visual is now subject to 2 different sets of rules so the viewer is left guessing am I seeing this through human or bot eyes?   Its pretty clever

 
I will say Dolores in real life is nowhere near as hot as she is in this show.  HBO is really good at maxing out female hotness. Happens on GOT as well.  

 
Why are Delores and Bernard (and the family) so advanced, but the old timer in livestock so limited?  Ford doing upgrades I guess?

 And Ford seems to dislike Delores, but Bernard was working with her (at his behest). 

 
Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Dolores's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
 
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Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Deloris's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
I'm not sure I understand why either of these would be important. 

 
I'm not sure I understand why either of these would be important. 


Well something freaked out dad but I guess it could have just been the background (time's square).  But Deloris didn't see anything, or didn't let on that she saw anything.  "It doesn't look like anything to me."  IF she had seen a picture of William's fiance and that was the picture (left by William) Then  if could have started her loop again.

 
Well something freaked out dad but I guess it could have just been the background (time's square).  But Deloris didn't see anything, or didn't let on that she saw anything.  "It doesn't look like anything to me."  IF she had seen a picture of William's fiance and that was the picture (left by William) Then  if could have started her loop again.
Why did it freak out the dad though? 

 
Yeah I think the dad just freaked out because of Times Square.  They've made a big deal out of the bots not recognizing futuristic pictures otherwise.

 
Hov34 said:
Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Deloris's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
She is off center a bit, but wouldn't Abernathy just disregard it as "it doesn't look like anything"? If he can't see William, it shouldn't cause an issue

 
Hov34 said:
Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Deloris's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
Seems a person is missing from that photo

 
Maybe the cars and buildings?
That would trigger a "that doesn't look like anything to me" like Dolores said, I think. 

Does look like another person could be in the pic...just not sure yet on what caused the freak out if he 'can't see things that would cause harm to him'

 
That would trigger a "that doesn't look like anything to me" like Dolores said, I think. 

Does look like another person could be in the pic...just not sure yet on what caused the freak out if he 'can't see things that would cause harm to him'
the picture wasnt part of the park? Or maybe the father was an older generation and didn't have that software update. He said to Delores, have you ever seen such a thing? I assumed he was focusing on the car and buildings

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
You sure of that? 
I intended a question mark there. We also dont know "when" Bernard is talking with her or "where" so who knows.  Seems like Ford wants some type of uprising but perhaps Mauve and later Bernard make that go somewhat awry. 

 
That would trigger a "that doesn't look like anything to me" like Dolores said, I think. 

Does look like another person could be in the pic...just not sure yet on what caused the freak out if he 'can't see things that would cause harm to him'
Yeah, that seems odd next to the scene this week where they showed some modern pics to a different host and he didn't see anything.  

May be another mark in favor of multiple timelines. As @tommyboy noted, perhaps older generations didn't have that code, and maybe dad's freakout was what led to it being added? Although Dolores's "doesn't look like anything" was with William, which is supposedly in the "old" timeline, so... :loco:   :hangover:

 
That would trigger a "that doesn't look like anything to me" like Dolores said, I think. 

Does look like another person could be in the pic...just not sure yet on what caused the freak out if he 'can't see things that would cause harm to him'
Yeah, that seems odd next to the scene this week where they showed some modern pics to a different host and he didn't see anything.  

May be another mark in favor of multiple timelines. As @tommyboy noted, perhaps older generations didn't have that code, and maybe dad's freakout was what led to it being added? Although Dolores's "doesn't look like anything" was with William, which is supposedly in the "old" timeline, so... :loco:   :hangover:
I'm trying to remember... was dad given a catch-phrase that precipitated his freak-out... similar to delores and maeve?

 
I'm trying to remember... was dad given a catch-phrase that precipitated his freak-out... similar to delores and maeve?
No.  He sees the photograph.  He then tells Delores the phrase "these violent delights have violent ends," which is from Romeo & Juliet.  That's the phrase that Delores seemingly infects Maeve with in Episode 2. 

 
I'm trying to remember... was dad given a catch-phrase that precipitated his freak-out... similar to delores and maeve?
Not that I recall.

Of note though- we don't ever see the picture through Dolores.  IIRC, she walks and looks over her dad's shoulder without a cut to the pic, so we don't know if Dolores can see the girl in the picture or not. 

 
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