What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Ohio train derailment (1 Viewer)

It's all just a coincidence
No…just seems we are heightened and paying attention after the train derailment.

From a Newsweek article...
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year.
Now obviously they don't all involve hazardous materials, but those are pretty big numbers.
I think knowing exactly how they define derailment and what that looks like may be helpful. I read an article that clarified that if just one wheel touches the ground it counts as a derailment. Now, a wheel touching the ground seems like a pretty not good thing to me, but how much of a hazard it really creates isn’t totally clear to me. So how serious each derailment really is isn’t 100% clear to me from those numbers.
 
It's all just a coincidence
No…just seems we are heightened and paying attention after the train derailment.

From a Newsweek article...
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year.
Now obviously they don't all involve hazardous materials, but those are pretty big numbers.
I think knowing exactly how they define derailment and what that looks like may be helpful. I read an article that clarified that if just one wheel touches the ground it counts as a derailment. Now, a wheel touching the ground seems like a pretty not good thing to me, but how much of a hazard it really creates isn’t totally clear to me. So how serious each derailment really is isn’t 100% clear to me from those numbers.
Absolutely true. These numbers express nothing about the severity of incidents. The vast majority I am sure are rather unremarkable events and go unnoticed by the general public. But the number of incidents is much higher than I would have anticipated...pretty much a common occurrence at those rates. With such frequent events, it is not surprising that some will be catastrophic.
 
I read that earlier today and it's the most thorough explanation I've read so far. Thanks for posting it.

I have an idea for where the railroad can spend their surplus billions instead of stock buybacks. From the article:
Norfolk Southern safety guidelines do not require train operators to take action until wheel bearings reach 170 degrees Fahrenheit above ambient temperature, the report said. Once a critical level of 200 degrees Fahrenheit is reached, Norfolk Southern requires its train operators to stop a train immediately and remove the affected car from the train.

But with 19 miles between detectors, the wheel bearing heated beyond the train operators' ability to stop the train safely, the NTSB said. "Had there been a detector earlier, that derailment may not have occurred. But that's something we have to look at," she said.
 
Toxic waste from the derailement is being sent to Texas. They will then inject it 4000 feet or more into the earth.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-tex...-environment-53c8cd54e99d05b3ec7d07d1d6ef97a8

This sounds like a trailer for a horror/sci-fi movie.
Just blends in with all the fracking waste injection wells, which are blamed for a recent increase in earthquakes in Texas and Oklahoma. I shudder to think how many aquifers across the US get contaminated by fracking and also by waste water injection.
 
Sounds like the crew did what they were supposed to but there were two things that stuck out to me in the article

"Norfolk Southern train 32N, a 149-car, 9,000-foot-long train traveling east along the railroad's Fort Wayne Line across Ohio, derailed near East Palestine just before 9 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 3."

"But when the three-person crew exited the train to inspect the bearing..."

I don't know nothing about trains or operations but these two bolded things seem at odds with one another :shrug:
 
...things that stuck out to me in the article... "But when the three-person crew exited the train to inspect the bearing..." I don't know nothing about trains or operations but these - bolded things seem at odds with one another :shrug:
After Norfolk Southern Support, DeWine Says No Disaster In East Palestine

...The rail company has had The Success Group on retainer since at least 2009, according to Ohio lobbying records.

The Success Group has been exceptionally successful in blocking state legislation under DeWine
’s watch that would have increased safety on the railroads, state records show. The firm’s lobbyists reported lobbying last year on a bill to mandate a minimum of two-person train crews on all trains.
 
Toxic waste from the derailement is being sent to Texas. They will then inject it 4000 feet or more into the earth.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-tex...-environment-53c8cd54e99d05b3ec7d07d1d6ef97a8

This sounds like a trailer for a horror/sci-fi movie.
I worked as an engineer on a waste injection facility in Alaska. It is all pretty standardized/safe nowadays.

There were some issues from waste injection wells 40+ years ago but they have that figured out now with the appropriate regulations in place.

I live in Houston and do not mind the waste being injected here.
 
Toxic waste from the derailement is being sent to Texas. They will then inject it 4000 feet or more into the earth.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-tex...-environment-53c8cd54e99d05b3ec7d07d1d6ef97a8

This sounds like a trailer for a horror/sci-fi movie.
I worked as an engineer on a waste injection facility in Alaska. It is all pretty standardized/safe nowadays.

There were some issues from waste injection wells 40+ years ago but they have that figured out now with the appropriate regulations in place.

I live in Houston and do not mind the waste being injected here.
They believe by injecting the toxic material that deep that they're well beneath the aquifers that people draw drinking water from at the present time. That's probably true. But I don't think anyone knows the future effects of those injections, since they've only been done for a short number of years. Whether current residents are OK with them or not doesn't really shed any light on that. Not a shot at you by the way, I appreciate the reply.
 

Michigan and Texas are like "uh.. Wait a minute.."

I get that no one wants the waste, but what are you supposed to do with it? Maybe Elon could figure out a way to start using the Moon as a waste disposal location?
 

Michigan and Texas are like "uh.. Wait a minute.."

I get that no one wants the waste, but what are you supposed to do with it? Maybe Elon could figure out a way to start using the Moon as a waste disposal location?
Norfolk Southern HQ is in Atlanta.

Return to sender.
 
Like any other environmental disaster, the people living there are naturally seriously concerned about current and future health conditions as they damn well should be.

But this is the first one I've seen where the media has mostly abandoned reporting on the environmental effects, the cleanup, the testing, etc. on a daily basis and has basically said "we only want to know how residents feel, and what they're worried about." Utter **** reporting for the most part.
 
I get that no one wants the waste, but what are you supposed to do with it?
There's plenty of places that will take it, price tag just keeps going up the more places you have to call to find one. Disposing of hazardous waste is a very expensive endeavor.
 
I get that no one wants the waste, but what are you supposed to do with it?
There's plenty of places that will take it, price tag just keeps going up the more places you have to call to find one. Disposing of hazardous waste is a very expensive endeavor.
EPA directed that it be shipped to sites qualified to handle the waste (soil and water). 2 different sites in Ohio, so it doesn't have to cross so many miles to Michigan and Texas.
 
EPA's now got an office in East Palestine.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...railment-us-environmental-agency-opens-office

The agency on Tuesday opened an office where people can sign up for air monitoring inside their homes and cleaning services at their homes and businesses. Residents can also go to the office to ask officials other questions about the cleanup effort. “We want to go that extra mile so that people feel comfortable living in their community,” Regan said at news conference after he earlier met with high school students in the village. “The people of East Palestine will not have to figure out what comes next on their own.”
The agency is continuing to monitor the air around East Palestine and working to protect the area during the cleanup, said EPA administrator Michael Regan. State and federal officials say testing has shown no signs of contamination from the derailment in the air or the village’s water system. “We don’t want a black eye on this community,” he said.
 
EPA directed that it be shipped to sites qualified to handle the waste (soil and water). 2 different sites in Ohio
Concerns grow about where contaminated waste will go after Ohio train derailment A shipment of 1.8 million pounds of waste has to go somewhere, but where?
... “two EPA-certified sites in Ohio: Heritage Thermal Services in East Liverpool and Vickery Environmental in Vickery,” CNN reported.

The shipment contains around 1.8 million gallons of contaminated waste, ...
 
Concerns grow about where contaminated waste will go after Ohio train derailment A shipment of 1.8 million pounds of waste has to go somewhere, but where?
... “two EPA-certified sites in Ohio: Heritage Thermal Services in East Liverpool and Vickery Environmental in Vickery,” CNN reported.

The shipment contains around 1.8 million gallons of contaminated waste, ...
I know this is on top of everyone's current news cycle when it comes to environmental disasters but literally, this stuff happens all day long, every day. there is literally tons of environmental waste being generated daily in this country, where do people think all that bad **** goes?

There are 189 pages of EPA Superfund sites. Not sure why the hubbub about this stuff.
 
Concerns grow about where contaminated waste will go after Ohio train derailment A shipment of 1.8 million pounds of waste has to go somewhere, but where?
... “two EPA-certified sites in Ohio: Heritage Thermal Services in East Liverpool and Vickery Environmental in Vickery,” CNN reported.

The shipment contains around 1.8 million gallons of contaminated waste, ...
I know this is on top of everyone's current news cycle when it comes to environmental disasters but literally, this stuff happens all day long, every day. there is literally tons of environmental waste being generated daily in this country, where do people think all that bad **** goes?

There are 189 pages of EPA Superfund sites. Not sure why the hubbub about this stuff.
I agree that this stuff happens all the time and haz waste is dealt with all the time. But maybe it’s good for more people to be concerned and for us to consider the long term costs and implications of all of the hazardous materials/waste we generate.
 
I agree that this stuff happens all the time and haz waste is dealt with all the time. But maybe it’s good for more people to be concerned and for us to consider the long term costs and implications of all of the hazardous materials/waste we generate.
Admirable. I'd say if we really shine a spotlight on this, the general populace would freak out from the over reaction from the environment above all else crowd and just the general folks who go around worrying about the sky falling. Ultimately that leads to us not opening a nuclear power station in the last 400 years. There's a long road in between but it would end up there, no doubt in my mind.

Everybody wants stuff. Nobody wants to know how it becomes stuff or what happens to the byproducts that can kill a lot of people quickly. Kinda like the hotdog and how no one wants to see how they are made. I say this from a position of working on a couple of mobile incinerator projects. One that was approved in Louisiana and one that never got to the finish line in Illinois, I think. Both required years of submissions and impact studies before one bucket full of dirt was dug. It's already an incredibly cumbersome process, and it should be, this is really bad stuff but if we start looking at all of these disposal sites for whatever reason, inevitably folks will start to protest their existence and they will get shut down. No matter how safe or what protocols they have in place to guard against a release of some sort.
 
I agree that this stuff happens all the time and haz waste is dealt with all the time. But maybe it’s good for more people to be concerned and for us to consider the long term costs and implications of all of the hazardous materials/waste we generate.
Admirable. I'd say if we really shine a spotlight on this, the general populace would freak out from the over reaction from the environment above all else crowd and just the general folks who go around worrying about the sky falling. Ultimately that leads to us not opening a nuclear power station in the last 400 years. There's a long road in between but it would end up there, no doubt in my mind.

Everybody wants stuff. Nobody wants to know how it becomes stuff or what happens to the byproducts that can kill a lot of people quickly. Kinda like the hotdog and how no one wants to see how they are made. I say this from a position of working on a couple of mobile incinerator projects. One that was approved in Louisiana and one that never got to the finish line in Illinois, I think. Both required years of submissions and impact studies before one bucket full of dirt was dug. It's already an incredibly cumbersome process, and it should be, this is really bad stuff but if we start looking at all of these disposal sites for whatever reason, inevitably folks will start to protest their existence and they will get shut down. No matter how safe or what protocols they have in place to guard against a release of some sort.
I think people are somewhat more on board with hazardous chemical byproducts being produced and dumped "somewhere" rather than a town, maybe several towns, potentially all being poisoned to the point of needing evacuation because of an uncontrolled accident/spill/burn.

Pretty sure that's why this one is getting the attention it certainly deserves.
And even more attention when spineless politicians are pretending to drink the water. Yuck, what a bad look to come in and say hey, it's all good, pretend to give a damn, and jet.
 
I agree that this stuff happens all the time and haz waste is dealt with all the time. But maybe it’s good for more people to be concerned and for us to consider the long term costs and implications of all of the hazardous materials/waste we generate.
Admirable. I'd say if we really shine a spotlight on this, the general populace would freak out from the over reaction from the environment above all else crowd and just the general folks who go around worrying about the sky falling. Ultimately that leads to us not opening a nuclear power station in the last 400 years. There's a long road in between but it would end up there, no doubt in my mind.

Everybody wants stuff. Nobody wants to know how it becomes stuff or what happens to the byproducts that can kill a lot of people quickly. Kinda like the hotdog and how no one wants to see how they are made. I say this from a position of working on a couple of mobile incinerator projects. One that was approved in Louisiana and one that never got to the finish line in Illinois, I think. Both required years of submissions and impact studies before one bucket full of dirt was dug. It's already an incredibly cumbersome process, and it should be, this is really bad stuff but if we start looking at all of these disposal sites for whatever reason, inevitably folks will start to protest their existence and they will get shut down. No matter how safe or what protocols they have in place to guard against a release of some sort.
The problem, if you take another step back from what to do with all these hazardous materials, is the actual production of the materials themselves. That's the one we'll be forced to deal with sooner or later. Right now there's little public understanding of where these hazardous chemicals come from and why they're produced (and I'm not pretending to be an expert who knows all of that). But if we're producing hazardous things we do not know how to deal with, and the earth's population is rising, and the harm caused by those products is increasing, it would make total sense to publicize each environmental accident or disaster or catastrophe and to get into the real reasons those toxic substances were there, and how to not re-create that.

That's not something I think will happen in this country. Nobody makes any money off that.
 
I think people are somewhat more on board with hazardous chemical byproducts being produced and dumped "somewhere" rather than a town, maybe several towns, potentially all being poisoned to the point of needing evacuation because of an uncontrolled accident/spill/burn.

Pretty sure that's why this one is getting the attention it certainly deserves.
I agree with you. But there have been numerous toxic spills in and around major cities, and they seldom if ever got this kind of press coverage. I wish every one of them did.
 
I agree that this stuff happens all the time and haz waste is dealt with all the time. But maybe it’s good for more people to be concerned and for us to consider the long term costs and implications of all of the hazardous materials/waste we generate.
Admirable. I'd say if we really shine a spotlight on this, the general populace would freak out from the over reaction from the environment above all else crowd and just the general folks who go around worrying about the sky falling. Ultimately that leads to us not opening a nuclear power station in the last 400 years. There's a long road in between but it would end up there, no doubt in my mind.

Everybody wants stuff. Nobody wants to know how it becomes stuff or what happens to the byproducts that can kill a lot of people quickly. Kinda like the hotdog and how no one wants to see how they are made. I say this from a position of working on a couple of mobile incinerator projects. One that was approved in Louisiana and one that never got to the finish line in Illinois, I think. Both required years of submissions and impact studies before one bucket full of dirt was dug. It's already an incredibly cumbersome process, and it should be, this is really bad stuff but if we start looking at all of these disposal sites for whatever reason, inevitably folks will start to protest their existence and they will get shut down. No matter how safe or what protocols they have in place to guard against a release of some sort.
The problem, if you take another step back from what to do with all these hazardous materials, is the actual production of the materials themselves. That's the one we'll be forced to deal with sooner or later. Right now there's little public understanding of where these hazardous chemicals come from and why they're produced (and I'm not pretending to be an expert who knows all of that). But if we're producing hazardous things we do not know how to deal with, and the earth's population is rising, and the harm caused by those products is increasing, it would make total sense to publicize each environmental accident or disaster or catastrophe and to get into the real reasons those toxic substances were there, and how to not re-create that.

That's not something I think will happen in this country. Nobody makes any money off that.
Sadly, you both are right. Nobody seems to care how things get made or about the potential risks until too late.

I get that how regulated some things are make it incredibly difficult to create/build things that are undoubtedly better options. BUT, one only has to look to things like asbestos, lead, and PFAS to see how absolutely evil and messed up companies in this country are as well, and how they got away with poisoning people and causing hundreds of billions, potentially trillions of dollars in liabilities and damages along the way. All while the folks who made all the profits basically got off Scot free.

Not many people realize just how long asbestos and lead companies knew that stuff was deadly before laws got passed banning it (oops, still totally legal to put asbestos in thousands of products today thanks to industry complaints and a screwed up judicial system!). PFAS will be the next one and I guarantee that we will eventually find out that companies have know for decades how bad PFAS are. DuPont has already split into many smaller companies and offloaded all their potential future liabilities from PFAS onto one of the companies so that when the lawsuits/fines really start coming, there will be no money to go after.

We need to hope that people wake up and start insisting that feet are held to the fire for those that recklessly poison us for profit.
 
via @Unusual_Whales

JUST IN: Rail unions tell Biden officials workers have fallen ill at Norfolk Southern, $NSC, derailment site where toxic chemicals were spilled.

Me: :o
More information on that: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/01/norfolk-southern-derailment-labor-unions-biden-officials.html

Major symptoms include migraines, nausea. Major complaints by the workers are unanswered requests (to the RR) to be removed from the jobsite, and lack of protective equipment while removing hazardous materials.

The letter also claims workers are not being provided appropriate personal protective equipment such as respirators, eye protection or protective clothing. According to union representatives, 35 to 40 workers were on the track and were not supplied with proper breathing apparatuses — only paper and N95 masks — or rubber gloves, boots or coverups.
Thanks, railroad.
 
I think people are somewhat more on board with hazardous chemical byproducts being produced and dumped "somewhere" rather than a town, maybe several towns, potentially all being poisoned to the point of needing evacuation because of an uncontrolled accident/spill/burn.
💯 I worked on a cleanup at a site in Metamora, MI. Dude took haz waste for 20-30 years from all over but I'd guess most was generated in Detroit which was about a 1/2 hour away. Government changed the rules, he couldn't afford to comply, they sued to shut him down and he declared bankruptcy, walked away. We spent 8 months there just securing the site and understanding what he had buried. Think it eventually turned into a Superfund site but I was out of the field by the time that happened. Short story, areas with money don't want this in their backyard. They either end up in poor neighborhoods were nobody cares or out in the middle of nowhere.
...we're producing hazardous things we do not know how to deal with, and the earth's population is rising, and the harm caused by those products is increasing, it would make total sense to publicize each environmental accident or disaster or catastrophe and to get into the real reasons those toxic substances were there, and how to not re-create that.

That's not something I think will happen in this country. Nobody makes any money off that.
And that's the crux of the matter. Don't get me wrong, we get better all the time. Production facilities continue to improve safety procedures and how they respond to incidents. We have looked under the carpet and seen how dirty it is under there after years of non-regulation. It's getting a lot better but it's a big hill to climb.
Not many people realize just how long asbestos and lead companies knew that stuff was deadly before laws got passed banning it (oops, still totally legal to put asbestos in thousands of products today thanks to industry complaints and a screwed up judicial system!). PFAS will be the next one and I guarantee that we will eventually find out that companies have know for decades how bad PFAS are. DuPont has already split into many smaller companies and offloaded all their potential future liabilities from PFAS onto one of the companies so that when the lawsuits/fines really start coming, there will be no money to go after.
Funny you mention asbestos. It has it's place but education helps. Fun fact: theoretically, because an asbestos fiber is so light, once in the air it would never touch the ground again. Anyhow, PCB's were always my example when talking about this. Virtually every transformer in the US had PCB oil in it at one time or another. It was used in everything because it conducted heat so well. They would use old PCB oil for dust suppression on dirt roads in the past. Then all of a sudden we discover a link to cancer and BAM! after 50 years of production, PCB's are bad. Started one of the largest cleanups the world has ever known. Every time a transformer blew up, you had to check for PCB's. Companies made millions draining transformers or replacing them.

My point, there is always innovation occurring. Bigger, better, faster stuff to replace what we use today. Money drives all this stuff and cleaning up past mistakes doesn't make the company who generated it or used it any cash.
 
I think people are somewhat more on board with hazardous chemical byproducts being produced and dumped "somewhere" rather than a town, maybe several towns, potentially all being poisoned to the point of needing evacuation because of an uncontrolled accident/spill/burn.
💯 I worked on a cleanup at a site in Metamora, MI. Dude took haz waste for 20-30 years from all over but I'd guess most was generated in Detroit which was about a 1/2 hour away. Government changed the rules, he couldn't afford to comply, they sued to shut him down and he declared bankruptcy, walked away. We spent 8 months there just securing the site and understanding what he had buried. Think it eventually turned into a Superfund site but I was out of the field by the time that happened. Short story, areas with money don't want this in their backyard. They either end up in poor neighborhoods were nobody cares or out in the middle of nowhere.
...we're producing hazardous things we do not know how to deal with, and the earth's population is rising, and the harm caused by those products is increasing, it would make total sense to publicize each environmental accident or disaster or catastrophe and to get into the real reasons those toxic substances were there, and how to not re-create that.

That's not something I think will happen in this country. Nobody makes any money off that.
And that's the crux of the matter. Don't get me wrong, we get better all the time. Production facilities continue to improve safety procedures and how they respond to incidents. We have looked under the carpet and seen how dirty it is under there after years of non-regulation. It's getting a lot better but it's a big hill to climb.
Not many people realize just how long asbestos and lead companies knew that stuff was deadly before laws got passed banning it (oops, still totally legal to put asbestos in thousands of products today thanks to industry complaints and a screwed up judicial system!). PFAS will be the next one and I guarantee that we will eventually find out that companies have know for decades how bad PFAS are. DuPont has already split into many smaller companies and offloaded all their potential future liabilities from PFAS onto one of the companies so that when the lawsuits/fines really start coming, there will be no money to go after.
Funny you mention asbestos. It has it's place but education helps. Fun fact: theoretically, because an asbestos fiber is so light, once in the air it would never touch the ground again. Anyhow, PCB's were always my example when talking about this. Virtually every transformer in the US had PCB oil in it at one time or another. It was used in everything because it conducted heat so well. They would use old PCB oil for dust suppression on dirt roads in the past. Then all of a sudden we discover a link to cancer and BAM! after 50 years of production, PCB's are bad. Started one of the largest cleanups the world has ever known. Every time a transformer blew up, you had to check for PCB's. Companies made millions draining transformers or replacing them.

My point, there is always innovation occurring. Bigger, better, faster stuff to replace what we use today. Money drives all this stuff and cleaning up past mistakes doesn't make the company who generated it or used it any cash.

Agreed.

Regarding PCBs, funny how the PCB oil is such a heavy focus (and makes sense with how easily oil can spread and contaminate), but basically a total blind eye is being turned towards potential PCB containing caulks. Despite the law quite clearly requiring PCB containing caulks to be removed from all buildings, nobody is testing the caulks currently in their buildings and basically nobody is testing them even before demolition/renovation.
 
Humans are very bad at evaluating risks, and do a horrible job of risk/reward calculations for removing risk from a low risk situation. This was obviously seen in the pandemic in several areas, but exists here. Money now being worth more than money later plays a big role as well. You shut down a PFAS plant and cookware line jobs are lost, that's the headline, not that many lives will be saved for generations. Similar things with items like EVs. Jobs lost and people inconvenienced, yet the benefits in air quality alone are dismissed as something to be ignored.
 
A federal agency has issued a new advisory urging major freight rail companies “to take immediate safety measures to look at the performance of the protective coverings over the pressure relief valves,” a spokesperson for the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration said Thursday. The advisory, which does not mandate the measures, came as federal investigators probe further into the February 3 train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio.
Pressure relief devices are designed to prevent pressure inside tank cars from building up and potentially causing an explosion. After the train derailed, officials determined at least one train car containing vinyl chloride had malfunctioning safety valves, and authorities worried pressure buildup in that car could lead to a catastrophic explosion of the chemical – hurling toxic fumes and deadly shrapnel up to a mile away.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/us/ohio-train-derailment-east-palestine-thursday/index.html
 
[URL='https://twitter.com/_PeteSmith_']Pete Smith[/URL]
@_PeteSmith_
A few days after they bought an article in Politico telling everyone they don't need regulations.

Jordan
@JordanChariton
Another Norfolk Southern train derailed in Ohio

Who Wants To Bury A Billionaire?
@Wangenstein
If I was responsible for spilling poison across half of Ohio, I'd be in jail awaiting criminal proceedings; why isn't Norfolk Southern's CEO? If he can't guarantee safety, he shouldn't be hauling hazardous materials. Maybe then their next CEO would take the proper precautions...
 
Do CEOs really get to the nuts and bolts here? It's probably some quality or ops team that has a waiver process and got a sign off from a few orgs that are paid to process waivers as fast as possible, or remove them.

CEO just says make more money and the ops teams see the waiver process as a cost adder and chop it or neuter it.
 
Do CEOs really get to the nuts and bolts here? It's probably some quality or ops team that has a waiver process and got a sign off from a few orgs that are paid to process waivers as fast as possible, or remove them.

CEO just says make more money and the ops teams see the waiver process as a cost adder and chop it or neuter it.
No I don't think they do but they make the most money for a reason, ultimately have to own down to the nut and/or bolt.
 
Do CEOs really get to the nuts and bolts here? It's probably some quality or ops team that has a waiver process and got a sign off from a few orgs that are paid to process waivers as fast as possible, or remove them.

CEO just says make more money and the ops teams see the waiver process as a cost adder and chop it or neuter it.
No I don't think they do but they make the most money for a reason, ultimately have to own down to the nut and/or bolt.

I don't necessarily disagree but often times where ISO is involved CEO delegates to quality directors with a signature, so they don't have to review changes to policy (and for some other worse reasons). It's very realistic the CEO has no clue how much the regulations factor here. At the very least that the CEO would have a waiver here at his desk seems very unlikely. Probably stopped 2-3 levels down.
 
The Lever
@LeverNews
🚨
NEWS: Bipartisan lawmakers promised to strengthen rail safety protections and update rail cars to avoid another chemical disaster.Instead, at the requests of industry lobbyists, lawmakers amended their own legislation to delay the required changes.
The Lever
@LeverNews
This rail safety legislation was designed to help us avoid another disaster like East Palestine.
@jul1arock
waded through a complex set of industry rules and conflicting lobbying information to understand the backroom deals that weakened the bill.

J.D. Vance Helped Lobbyists Weaken His Rail Safety Bill
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top