Ohio train derailment (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

It’s not about eyeballs it’s about people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't know what this means honestly. If you want to ignore all the evidence, behavior etc. go for it....I'm not stopping you

You are the one ignoring all the evidence, behavior etc so you can cling to your feel-good solution.

I will give you a prime example- CNN spent 4 years tanking their rankings in order to “go after” President Trump. If it was about eyeballs, they would have changed tack and behaved more like the market leader - Fox News. It’s clearly not about eyeballs.

Might want to dig just a LITTLE bit deeper than one particular network and then just one of their platforms unless you're saying their podcast subscriptions/participation, website, and radio are included in your assertion. I'd like to see YOUR evidence of that. We can also talk about the audiences too, but that feels like piling on.

ETA: And I want to be CRYSTAL clear....it's about TIME spent on the site on the podcast etc. They couldn't care less if one person is there for 8 hours a day or 8 people are there for an hour a day. SM set the tone and flat out told us this is the driver. The "media" lapped it up quickly. This isn't a secret. Not sure why you wouldn't believe them.

 

[culdeus]

And another one:

Train carrying hazardous materials derails in Michigan

At least six cars were off the tracks in Van Buren Township, which is about 30 miles southwest of Detroit.

www.wcpo.com

No leaks reported, but sheesh. You'd think this crap would be more expensive then keeping the tracks straight.

 

[formerfourdigit]

In this situation where does the bad dirt go?

Detroit.

 

[fatness]

And another one:

Train carrying hazardous materials derails in Michigan

At least six cars were off the tracks in Van Buren Township, which is about 30 miles southwest of Detroit.

www.wcpo.com

No leaks reported, but sheesh. You'd think this crap would be more expensive then keeping the tracks straight.

I think that's the same one @Buck Bradcanon posted a little earlier.

 

[The Big Donkey]

Norfolk Southern a no-show at town hall in East Palenstine. "scared for their safety". like all the residents.

 

[fatness]

It seems like Gov. DeWine is in over his head and is understanding this as an Andy-In-Mayberry-Handling-Horse-Poop-in-town-square problem.

Doesn't Ohio have a Department of the Environment, and where are they? Doesn't Ohio have a Health Department and where are they? All we hear from DeWine is on one extreme or the other: "tests are all fine so go home" or "CDC please send all your experts here now". Why doesn't Ohio do something on their own while asking/refusing federal help?

 

[fatness]

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine won’t be declaring East Palestine a disaster area for now.

 

[fatness]

The chemicals spilled into the Ohio River are now touring the central US.

The chemical plume of butyl acrylate. from the Feb. 3 East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment is believed to hit Huntington, West Virginia, “sometime tomorrow,”

Officials says the chemical plume of butyl acrylate that leaked into the Ohio River after the train derailment in East Palestine will likely arrive in the Cincinnati area sometime this weekend. It is expected to reach the area near Greater Cincinnati Water Works' Ohio River intake late Saturday night or early Sunday morning

 

[Galileo]

It seems like Gov. DeWine is in over his head and is understanding this as an Andy-In-Mayberry-Handling-Horse-Poop-in-town-square problem.

Doesn't Ohio have a Department of the Environment, and where are they? Doesn't Ohio have a Health Department and where are they? All we hear from DeWine is on one extreme or the other: "tests are all fine so go home" or "CDC please send all your experts here now". Why doesn't Ohio do something on their own while asking/refusing federal help?

Ohio does have an Environmental Protection Agency, and the Ohio EPA has been doing the testing of water. DeWine is not working in a vacuum.

 

[Max Power]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

 

[beer 30]

I’m not sure his quote today of 1000 trains derailed each year and that one is getting a lot of attention (paraphrasing). Now if people can blame the last regime for changing regulations, this regime can be scrutinized for not changing some back. If there are 1000, it was a matter of time that this happens. We also need to ask why so many, and Pete would be the one to ask.

When was the last time you saw anyone working on the railroad (save the song analogies). The infrastructure in this country is crumbling. The bridges are literally crumbling. The train tracks that move so much freight we all depend upon daily were all largely in place by the early 1900's. Our power grid is one good lightening storm away from going down and the water system we depend on is either drying up from over use or being polluted because, **** it.

I get stuck on the whole infrastructure debate because literally every administration puts something forth, championing their efforts to bring us back from the brink and also very literally, nothing happens. The money gets wasted on useless feasibility studies that take years or simply disappears "someplace". We need something like a 1930's Public Works bill that will actually pay someone a good wage to do actual work to fix all this shovel ready crap. But then you have to find someone that actually wants to do some physical labor so good luck.

 

[Sam Quentin]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

It’s not about eyeballs it’s about people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't know what this means honestly. If you want to ignore all the evidence, behavior etc. go for it....I'm not stopping you

You are the one ignoring all the evidence, behavior etc so you can cling to your feel-good solution.

I will give you a prime example- CNN spent 4 years tanking their rankings in order to “go after” President Trump. If it was about eyeballs, they would have changed tack and behaved more like the market leader - Fox News. It’s clearly not about eyeballs.

Might want to dig just a LITTLE bit deeper than one particular network and then just one of their platforms unless you're saying their podcast subscriptions/participation, website, and radio are included in your assertion. I'd like to see YOUR evidence of that. We can also talk about the audiences too, but that feels like piling on.

ETA: And I want to be CRYSTAL clear....it's about TIME spent on the site on the podcast etc. They couldn't care less if one person is there for 8 hours a day or 8 people are there for an hour a day. SM set the tone and flat out told us this is the driver. The "media" lapped it up quickly. This isn't a secret. Not sure why you wouldn't believe them.

Further engagement on this will be a waste of time. You will continue to rationalize your way back to your fantasyland view and find ways to ignore the obvious.

 

[SWC]

is this real or what take that to the bank brohans

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1626238907690909696?s=20

 

[top dog]

is this real or what take that to the bank brohans

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1626238907690909696?s=20

Is the 'Train Tackles Bendy Tracks' Video Real?

Someone might want to put in a maintenance request.

www.snopes.com

Real, but sped up

 

[SWC]

are those real active tracks or is that some type of one off deal where a train had to cross them and they are being decomisioned because if this is the type of crap we are hauling hazardous chemicals over that is insane take that to the bank brohans

 

[beer 30]

are those real active tracks or is that some type of one off deal where a train had to cross them and they are being decomisioned because if this is the type of crap we are hauling hazardous chemicals over that is insane take that to the bank brohans

You can keep asking if it's real and we can keep posting that it is and yes those tracks are in use TODAY in Maumee, OH and yes probably have hazardous materials being hauled over them and YOU can take that to the bank brohamis

Is the 'Train Tackles Bendy Tracks' Video Real?

Someone might want to put in a maintenance request.

www.snopes.com

 

[The Commish]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

It’s not about eyeballs it’s about people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't know what this means honestly. If you want to ignore all the evidence, behavior etc. go for it....I'm not stopping you

You are the one ignoring all the evidence, behavior etc so you can cling to your feel-good solution.

I will give you a prime example- CNN spent 4 years tanking their rankings in order to “go after” President Trump. If it was about eyeballs, they would have changed tack and behaved more like the market leader - Fox News. It’s clearly not about eyeballs.

Might want to dig just a LITTLE bit deeper than one particular network and then just one of their platforms unless you're saying their podcast subscriptions/participation, website, and radio are included in your assertion. I'd like to see YOUR evidence of that. We can also talk about the audiences too, but that feels like piling on.

ETA: And I want to be CRYSTAL clear....it's about TIME spent on the site on the podcast etc. They couldn't care less if one person is there for 8 hours a day or 8 people are there for an hour a day. SM set the tone and flat out told us this is the driver. The "media" lapped it up quickly. This isn't a secret. Not sure why you wouldn't believe them.

Further engagement on this will be a waste of time. You will continue to rationalize your way back to your fantasyland view and find ways to ignore the obvious.

I take them at their word when they tell us how they designed things and how they make decisions. That's pretty much the difference in our positions. You want to believe something else. That's cool. Like I said before, I'm not stopping you

 

[SWC]

wow like my old man used to say they look like they were shat out by a drunk racoon that for some reason craps out traintracks take that to the bank brohans

 

[top dog]

are those real active tracks or is that some type of one off deal where a train had to cross them and they are being decomisioned because if this is the type of crap we are hauling hazardous chemicals over that is insane take that to the bank brohans

You can keep asking if it's real and we can keep posting that it is and yes those tracks are in use TODAY in Maumee, OH and yes probably have hazardous materials being hauled over them and YOU can take that to the bank brohamis

Is the 'Train Tackles Bendy Tracks' Video Real?

Someone might want to put in a maintenance request.

www.snopes.com

I'm skeptical those are highly used tracks though. Probably one of those legs that run back to a factory or something. If that is indeed a common line I'd be even more shocked. I only live about 1 1/2 hours from that area. Usually out that way a couple times of year for stuff. Maybe I'll do a little recon for this thread.

 

[top dog]

are those real active tracks or is that some type of one off deal where a train had to cross them and they are being decomisioned because if this is the type of crap we are hauling hazardous chemicals over that is insane take that to the bank brohans

You can keep asking if it's real and we can keep posting that it is and yes those tracks are in use TODAY in Maumee, OH and yes probably have hazardous materials being hauled over them and YOU can take that to the bank brohamis

Is the 'Train Tackles Bendy Tracks' Video Real?

Someone might want to put in a maintenance request.

www.snopes.com

I'm skeptical those are highly used tracks though. Probably one of those legs that run back to a factory or something. If that is indeed a common line I'd be even more shocked. I only live about 1 1/2 hours from that area. Usually out that way a couple times of year for stuff. Maybe I'll do a little recon for this thread.

ok. Maybe not THAT unused. Looking for more info on this took me down a rabbit hole of train videos. This one is also from Maumee and you can tell by the overgrown brush that it is not used often. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlzG81V8p6o

 

[fatness]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

 

[Max Power]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

 

[bcat01]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

Senator Vance did the same thing.
https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1626305927207854089

 

[FairWarning]

I’m not sure his quote today of 1000 trains derailed each year and that one is getting a lot of attention (paraphrasing). Now if people can blame the last regime for changing regulations, this regime can be scrutinized for not changing some back. If there are 1000, it was a matter of time that this happens. We also need to ask why so many, and Pete would be the one to ask.

When was the last time you saw anyone working on the railroad (save the song analogies). The infrastructure in this country is crumbling. The bridges are literally crumbling. The train tracks that move so much freight we all depend upon daily were all largely in place by the early 1900's. Our power grid is one good lightening storm away from going down and the water system we depend on is either drying up from over use or being polluted because, **** it.

I get stuck on the whole infrastructure debate because literally every administration puts something forth, championing their efforts to bring us back from the brink and also very literally, nothing happens. The money gets wasted on useless feasibility studies that take years or simply disappears "someplace". We need something like a 1930's Public Works bill that will actually pay someone a good wage to do actual work to fix all this shovel ready crap. But then you have to find someone that actually wants to do some physical labor so good luck.

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

 

[FairWarning]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

The gov should have no problem drinking it in front of the citizens then.

 

[SWC]

i fly fish for trout a lot and have spent probably ten thousand hours in rivers at this point in my life and i mean to be fair there is probably a lot of pollution in that river like every other river from other sources the truth is that they catch all of the agricultuaral runoff all of the salt oil and everything else from roads draintile from fields where they dump manure as fertilizer etc hell miller park in milwaukee had a toilet that literally discharged straight into the menomonee river where i fish for steelhead but still that looks worse that i have seen when your run a stick along the bottom and trapped gasses spring out that readily take that to the bank brohans

 

[Max Power]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

The gov should have no problem drinking it in front of the citizens then.

Oh no, that water is toxic. The drinking water is reportedly safe. I understand why locals are upset though. They are looking for answers and no one is taking the lead on providing them. Hopefully the EPA can lay out second and third order effects from this controlled burn so people can respond and prepare accordingly.

 

[beer 30]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

 

[FairWarning]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

I think they share some of the same lines, good question. Amtrak is gov owned. I see CSX crews also.

Just found this map of who owns what - https://transportgeography.org/cont...ation-pipelines/rail-ownership-north-america/

 

[culdeus]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

What are you asking here? Amtrak tracks get a higher level of maintenance than others, if that's the question. They also only ride on a small portion of the rail network, and a tiny amount is dedicated solely to Amtrak.

 

[FairWarning]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

What are you asking here? Amtrak tracks get a higher level of maintenance than others, if that's the question. They also only ride on a small portion of the rail network, and a tiny amount is dedicated solely to Amtrak.

I’m not asking anything. It’s just a popular campaign platform to want to build up our infrastructure (As we should). Unfortunately we seem to fall woefully short as our roads and bridges decay.

 

[beer 30]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

What are you asking here? Amtrak tracks get a higher level of maintenance than others, if that's the question. They also only ride on a small portion of the rail network, and a tiny amount is dedicated solely to Amtrak.

Kinda my point. The people trains get a lot more attention than the ones carrying cancer.

 

[ghostguy123]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

What are you asking here? Amtrak tracks get a higher level of maintenance than others, if that's the question. They also only ride on a small portion of the rail network, and a tiny amount is dedicated solely to Amtrak.

I’m not asking anything. It’s just a popular campaign platform to want to build up our infrastructure (As we should). Unfortunately we seem to fall woefully short as our roads and bridges decay.

It's Idiocracy playing out in real life.
Some of those tracks actually look as bad or worse than what I would expect to see in that movie.

 

[culdeus]

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Let me preface by saying I have no idea if what I'm about to type is true or not BUT:

You mentioned Amtrak. What does Amtrak haul? Mostly people. Is Amtrak heavily subsidized by the government? Do they use the same tracks as these hazardous loads are using? I'm speculating that people trains go where people want to go, nice country sides, big cities, sight seeing, etc. Probably (again, I'm speculating) not the same places you would see a train like the one that derailed in East Palestine

What are you asking here? Amtrak tracks get a higher level of maintenance than others, if that's the question. They also only ride on a small portion of the rail network, and a tiny amount is dedicated solely to Amtrak.

I’m not asking anything. It’s just a popular campaign platform to want to build up our infrastructure (As we should). Unfortunately we seem to fall woefully short as our roads and bridges decay.

Most of the arguments about this indicate that the true need to solve the issues in the current system is double tracking with turn outs every X so many miles or so. To do this would take something about the size of Vermont out of the hands of private citizens and would cost trillions just in the real estate transactions. The time horizon is so long that it is not clear that the ports that connect these rails up will literally exist anymore with sea level rise. I tend to agree that the rail networks are in the top 10 of required improvements, but the scope may be much larger than anyone can fathom requiring high speed passenger rail to more or less replace domestic air, and passenger car travel.

 

[beer 30]

Most of the arguments about this indicate that the true need to solve the issues in the current system is double tracking with turn outs every X so many miles or so. To do this would take something about the size of Vermont out of the hands of private citizens and would cost trillions just in the real estate transactions. The time horizon is so long that it is not clear that the ports that connect these rails up will literally exist anymore with sea level rise. I tend to agree that the rail networks are in the top 10 of required improvements, but the scope may be much larger than anyone can fathom requiring high speed passenger rail to more or less replace domestic air, and passenger car travel.

Good reason to discuss it. I have zero idea how to fix it but continuing to do nothing will just keep more instances like this happening. I just get frustrated with billions/trillions appropriated in the name of infrastructure and pretty much nothing of substance gets done.

 

[culdeus]

Most of the arguments about this indicate that the true need to solve the issues in the current system is double tracking with turn outs every X so many miles or so. To do this would take something about the size of Vermont out of the hands of private citizens and would cost trillions just in the real estate transactions. The time horizon is so long that it is not clear that the ports that connect these rails up will literally exist anymore with sea level rise. I tend to agree that the rail networks are in the top 10 of required improvements, but the scope may be much larger than anyone can fathom requiring high speed passenger rail to more or less replace domestic air, and passenger car travel.

Good reason to discuss it. I have zero idea how to fix it but continuing to do nothing will just keep more instances like this happening. I just get frustrated with billions/trillions appropriated in the name of infrastructure and pretty much nothing of substance gets done.

Appropriated <> Spent. It does tend to generate a lot of fees for civil engineering consulting firms and lawyers.

 

[sho nuff]

Most of the arguments about this indicate that the true need to solve the issues in the current system is double tracking with turn outs every X so many miles or so. To do this would take something about the size of Vermont out of the hands of private citizens and would cost trillions just in the real estate transactions. The time horizon is so long that it is not clear that the ports that connect these rails up will literally exist anymore with sea level rise. I tend to agree that the rail networks are in the top 10 of required improvements, but the scope may be much larger than anyone can fathom requiring high speed passenger rail to more or less replace domestic air, and passenger car travel.

Good reason to discuss it. I have zero idea how to fix it but continuing to do nothing will just keep more instances like this happening. I just get frustrated with billions/trillions appropriated in the name of infrastructure and pretty much nothing of substance gets done.

Obviously this is claims from the white house...but does list where some has been spent one year in and projects.
It just turns out also...that there is a backlog of needs and projects around the country as bad as the infrastructure has been and how long it has been ignored.

FACT SHEET: One Year into Implementation of Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Biden-⁠Harris Administration Celebrates Major Progress in Building a Better America | The White House

One year ago, President Biden signed the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law – a once-in-a-generation investment in our nation’s infrastructure and

www.whitehouse.gov

This was also pretty early on...but lists out not just what has been spent, but that its not all some here is the total, so that is what is spent right away...some of it is a very long process.

6 months in, President Biden's infrastructure plan has 4,300 projects

President Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure measure into law in November.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[the moops]

I’m not sure his quote today of 1000 trains derailed each year and that one is getting a lot of attention (paraphrasing). Now if people can blame the last regime for changing regulations, this regime can be scrutinized for not changing some back. If there are 1000, it was a matter of time that this happens. We also need to ask why so many, and Pete would be the one to ask.

When was the last time you saw anyone working on the railroad (save the song analogies). The infrastructure in this country is crumbling. The bridges are literally crumbling. The train tracks that move so much freight we all depend upon daily were all largely in place by the early 1900's. Our power grid is one good lightening storm away from going down and the water system we depend on is either drying up from over use or being polluted because, **** it.

I get stuck on the whole infrastructure debate because literally every administration puts something forth, championing their efforts to bring us back from the brink and also very literally, nothing happens. The money gets wasted on useless feasibility studies that take years or simply disappears "someplace". We need something like a 1930's Public Works bill that will actually pay someone a good wage to do actual work to fix all this shovel ready crap. But then you have to find someone that actually wants to do some physical labor so good luck.

I see an Amtrak crew working on the tracks quite often. I get your point though. It’s low hanging fruit for presidential candidates to talk about the crumbling infrastructure, easy to get funding. Problem is too much pork is added in, and little gets accomplished.

Yea, I used to live near a freight line here in the twin cities (way too close in fact, like a hundred yards) and they were working on that thing all the damn time. Obviously more needs to be done., but there is over 150,000 miles of lines to maintain

 

[facook]

Most of the arguments about this indicate that the true need to solve the issues in the current system is double tracking with turn outs every X so many miles or so. To do this would take something about the size of Vermont out of the hands of private citizens and would cost trillions just in the real estate transactions. The time horizon is so long that it is not clear that the ports that connect these rails up will literally exist anymore with sea level rise. I tend to agree that the rail networks are in the top 10 of required improvements, but the scope may be much larger than anyone can fathom requiring high speed passenger rail to more or less replace domestic air, and passenger car travel.

Good reason to discuss it. I have zero idea how to fix it but continuing to do nothing will just keep more instances like this happening. I just get frustrated with billions/trillions appropriated in the name of infrastructure and pretty much nothing of substance gets done.

Obviously this is claims from the white house...but does list where some has been spent one year in and projects.
It just turns out also...that there is a backlog of needs and projects around the country as bad as the infrastructure has been and how long it has been ignored.

FACT SHEET: One Year into Implementation of Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Biden-⁠Harris Administration Celebrates Major Progress in Building a Better America | The White House

One year ago, President Biden signed the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law – a once-in-a-generation investment in our nation’s infrastructure and

www.whitehouse.gov

This was also pretty early on...but lists out not just what has been spent, but that its not all some here is the total, so that is what is spent right away...some of it is a very long process.

6 months in, President Biden's infrastructure plan has 4,300 projects

President Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure measure into law in November.

www.cbsnews.com

Our regional airport will be receiving a $400 million remodel/upgrade as a result of that bill. Project starts summer of 2024 at the earliest, but at least it's in the works.

 

[beer 30]

Our regional airport will be receiving a $400 million remodel/upgrade as a result of that bill. Project starts summer of 2024 at the earliest, but at least it's in the works.

Funny you mention airports. I'm not a huge traveler but I get out 5-6 times a year and I used to travel a lot for work, is there any airport not under construction?

I moved to the Charlotte area in 2007, the airport has been under construction since then. It never ends.

 

[Galileo]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

Thin film interference!! At least we get some cool physics embedded in this disaster.

 

[DocHolliday]

The chemicals spilled into the Ohio River are now touring the central US.

The chemical plume of butyl acrylate. from the Feb. 3 East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment is believed to hit Huntington, West Virginia, “sometime tomorrow,”

Officials says the chemical plume of butyl acrylate that leaked into the Ohio River after the train derailment in East Palestine will likely arrive in the Cincinnati area sometime this weekend. It is expected to reach the area near Greater Cincinnati Water Works' Ohio River intake late Saturday night or early Sunday morning

The solution to pollution is dilution. Drink up.

 

[fatness]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

The gov should have no problem drinking it in front of the citizens then.

Drinking water basically comes from 2 places:
- Surface water (like that stream) which is diverted to a water filtration plant, filtered, stored, and then piped to individual buildings.
or
- Wells which yield groundwater from much deeper in the earth. Old hand-dug wells around here ran from 30-60 feet deep. Newer drilled wells around here run 300-800 feet deep usually.

So currently nobody drinks from that stream, and it's misguided to think "the government" or anyone else should drink from it now.

 

[fatness]

What happens when a throw a rock in the water in East Palestine.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1626331209335963648?s=20

That video is pretty information-free.
Is that stream one from which the town's drinking water is drawn?
Various things make those rainbow-type sheens on water --- petroleum products and decaying leaf matter being 2 of them. What did that stream look like before the trainwreck and spill?

The EPA said the wells the drinking water comes from are safe. Just seeing that can't be reassuring to the town residents though.

Some reporter did the same thing and got similar results.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Tricia/status/1626363319794769920?s=20

At this point in the story, I'm not giving much weight to the idea that this waterway has always been like that or its just leaf decay. Gov said its all safe, but I have my doubts.

And I'm a skeptic like you are. I waded and fished for a lot of years in streams and have seen stuff like that come up from the bottom of some of them. It was usually from a slack area below the surface where leaves carried by the current settled down to decompose.

I just tend to doubt context-free videos like that one being proof of anything.

 

[fatness]

The plume of chemicals working its way down the Ohio River was originally visible on the surface but with all the distance travelled and with rain, it's probably all mixed in with the rest of the river water by now. There's a map showing its path in this article. https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...-chemical-spill-nearing-kentucky/69906760007/

 

[jamny]

Our regional airport will be receiving a $400 million remodel/upgrade as a result of that bill. Project starts summer of 2024 at the earliest, but at least it's in the works.

Funny you mention airports. I'm not a huge traveler but I get out 5-6 times a year and I used to travel a lot for work, is there any airport not under construction?

I moved to the Charlotte area in 2007, the airport has been under construction since then. It never ends.

LaGuardia in Queens has been endless construction but it is amazing what they're doing. Credit for that starting goes to Biden for drawing attention to it.

Vice President Joe Biden is very unhappy about America's declining infrastructure. During a speech in Philadelphia today, he threw New York's LaGuardia Airport under the bus to drive that point home. But first, the vice president talked about advancements overseas. "If I blindfolded someone and took him at 2 o'clock in the morning into the airport in Hong Kong and said, 'Where do you think you are?’ He’d say, ‘This must be America. It’s a modern airport,'" Biden said. International airports have indeed seen some stunning innovations recently.
"If I took you and blindfolded you and took you to LaGuardia Airport in New York, you'd think, ‘I must be in some third-world country,’" Biden said. When his statement drew laughter from the crowd, Biden quickly noted, "I'm not joking."

 

[fatness]

Cincinnati is closing their Ohio River water intake until (they believe) the chemical plume has passed.

East Palestine earlier had re-routed their stream from above where the chemicals dumped in to below where they were, and dammed off the section containing most of the chemicals.

 

[ghostguy123]

All those chemicals gotta go SOMEwhere unfortunately.
Re-route to the poor towns amirite?

 

[ragincajun]

i fly fish for trout a lot and have spent probably ten thousand hours in rivers at this point in my life and i mean to be fair there is probably a lot of pollution in that river like every other river from other sources the truth is that they catch all of the agricultuaral runoff all of the salt oil and everything else from roads draintile from fields where they dump manure as fertilizer etc hell miller park in milwaukee had a toilet that literally discharged straight into the menomonee river where i fish for steelhead but still that looks worse that i have seen when your run a stick along the bottom and trapped gasses spring out that readily take that to the bank brohans

Fly swap Brohan?

 

[Faust]

East Palestine residents worry rashes, headaches and other symptoms may be tied to chemicals from train crash