Ohio train derailment (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

Is this something that FEMA should be involved with? Or are they already?

It is a major failure of our national and state governments (all of them) that we really don't know who should be handling this. There's a link earlier where Erin Brockovich got a bunch of emails and phone calls from residents. Your average American, when something like this happens, the only thing they can think of is call that lady Julia Roberts played 20 years ago.

 

[beer 30]

It is a major failure of our national and state governments (all of them) that we really don't know who should be handling this. There's a link earlier where Erin Brockovich got a bunch of emails and phone calls from residents. Your average American, when something like this happens, the only thing they can think of is call that lady Julia Roberts played 20 years ago.

Thing is, every state is different on who to call and who's responsibility it is. Found this with a simple search, Ohio EPA:

When to report a spill or release of hazardous waste to Ohio EPA

ohioepa.custhelp.com

In Louisiana, an incredibly toxic state, it's the state police:

Report a Chemical Spill | La Dept. of Health

The Louisiana Department of Health protects and promotes health and ensures access to medical, preventive and rehabilitative services for all citizens of the State of Louisiana.

ldh.la.gov

In the time I spent in the field cleaning up methelethylbadstuff all over these beautiful United States of America I found that every place was different. If it made the news, more government agencies wanted to be involved so it looked like they were doing something and then it becomes like a high profile police case with different agencies throwing theirs on the table trying to take control. I worked on a PCB spill in MI at a fairly well known university. Transformer blew up, spilled PCB oil all over. SOP is to dig until you hit clean dirt then fill it is. Should be a one, maybe two week job. Problem was the transformer was next to the Physical Plant for the campus that had been there since the 30's maybe. We dig, hit what we think is clean, state signs off, university is good but a local dude comes in and says the LOCAL standard is lower than the STATE standard and to keep digging. 6 months later and a million dollar bill to the university, we pack up and leave. We cleaned up stuff that had been dumped there probably 4 decades ago.

 

[ghostguy123]

Does it matter how small the town was where it happened? This is going to effect a huge area for a long time

 

[culdeus]

It is a major failure of our national and state governments (all of them) that we really don't know who should be handling this. There's a link earlier where Erin Brockovich got a bunch of emails and phone calls from residents. Your average American, when something like this happens, the only thing they can think of is call that lady Julia Roberts played 20 years ago.

Thing is, every state is different on who to call and who's responsibility it is. Found this with a simple search, Ohio EPA:

When to report a spill or release of hazardous waste to Ohio EPA

ohioepa.custhelp.com

In Louisiana, an incredibly toxic state, it's the state police:

Report a Chemical Spill | La Dept. of Health

The Louisiana Department of Health protects and promotes health and ensures access to medical, preventive and rehabilitative services for all citizens of the State of Louisiana.

ldh.la.gov

In the time I spent in the field cleaning up methelethylbadstuff all over these beautiful United States of America I found that every place was different. If it made the news, more government agencies wanted to be involved so it looked like they were doing something and then it becomes like a high profile police case with different agencies throwing theirs on the table trying to take control. I worked on a PCB spill in MI at a fairly well known university. Transformer blew up, spilled PCB oil all over. SOP is to dig until you hit clean dirt then fill it is. Should be a one, maybe two week job. Problem was the transformer was next to the Physical Plant for the campus that had been there since the 30's maybe. We dig, hit what we think is clean, state signs off, university is good but a local dude comes in and says the LOCAL standard is lower than the STATE standard and to keep digging. 6 months later and a million dollar bill to the university, we pack up and leave. We cleaned up stuff that had been dumped there probably 4 decades ago.

In this situation where does the bad dirt go?

 

[TwinTurbo]

This story has triggered awareness of train derailments in my twitter feed. Kind of crazy numbers, if true.

Yes that's the really crazy part. Is it outdated infrastructure, poor maintenance, incompetence, gremlins, all of the above? Its literally moving on rails and yet goes off the rails 4-5 times a day on average. Those are crazy numbers.

 

[beer 30]

In this situation where does the bad dirt go?

To a licensed disposal facility. Depending on what it is, it can get buried or burnt in an incinerator.

 

[massraider]

Does it matter how small the town was where it happened?

It shouldn't, but it does.

Have this same tragedy in West Palm Florida and see if there's a different reaction.

 

[Max Power]

Govt said it was safe for people to return to their homes, so I'm not sure what else people are looking for.

 

[Desert_Power]

This all sounds like a bad movie...

Hmmm...

"Professor of Hitler Studies"

 

[ghostguy123]

Is there a good read on what was up with the controlled burn and what that was all about?

 

[Max Power]

Is there a good read on what was up with the controlled burn and what that was all about?

Reported that there were fires near the hazmat tankers and instead of letting the tankers build up pressure and become shrapnel bombs, they control burned the hazmat as the lesser of two evils.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Is there a good read on what was up with the controlled burn and what that was all about?

Vinyl chloride can be extremely explosive when heated up. Burning it reduces it to carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride and phosgene, rather than allowing it to become a bomb that levels the entire town.

 

[ghostguy123]

Is there a good read on what was up with the controlled burn and what that was all about?

Vinyl chloride can be extremely explosive when heated up. Burning it reduces it to carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride and phosgene, rather than allowing it to become a bomb that levels the entire town.

Makes sense. Bombs are no good.
So when do we get acid rain?

 

[fatness]

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Tuesday said Congress must act following the Feb. 3 train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio — in which 38 rail cars derailed, including 11 which contained hazardous materials — and hundreds of nearby residents were forced to evacuate for several days.

At a news conference, DeWine told reporters he was informed that the train was not considered a "high hazardous material train," so the state was not notified, prior to its derailment, that it was passing through.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-update...estine-chemicals-update-governor-mike-dewine/

Not sure what notification would have done. What's needed is bypass routes constructed around cities for trains carrying hazardous materials. But that would be hideously expensive and would require a lot of public money and will to accomplish. At most it might happen on a case by case basis, based on how loud the city is about it, how much money the city and its state will put up to get the feds to pony up even more, and (sadly) what the casualty count is.

If if there was a willingness and resources to re-route hazardous rail traffic, where are you re-routing towards? East Palestine is a small rural village of a few thousand people. This isn't New York City. This is exactly the type of area where you would be re-routing things.

A bypass a mile south of the city through a far less populated area would be better, assuming the willingness and resources are there. The hazardous stuff could use the bypass and be further away from the 4700 people in town.
Check it out. https://www.google.com/maps/place/E...8m2!3d40.8339509!4d-80.5403469!16zL20vMHl0X2w

 

[fatness]

Investigators probing the toxic train disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, are reviewing multiple videos of the train prior to it derailing. One video shows "what appears to be a wheel bearing in the final stage of overheat failure moments before the derailment," the National Transportation Safety Board said in a statement Tuesday. "The suspected overheated wheel bearing has been collected and will be examined by engineers from the NTSB Materials Laboratory in Washington, D.C," the statement said. The wheelset will undergo a metallurgical examination as part of the overall investigation. Investigators will return to complete an examination of the tank cars once they are fully decontaminated, the NTSB said.

Investigators have not yet determined what they believe caused the disaster. Such a determination typically takes many months. The NTSB said it is reviewing other videos, too, including footage from two local businesses reported by local media to show glowing or flames from the train prior to the derailment. The agency is also reviewing recording data from the train's so-called black boxes, including an event recorder and image recorders.

https://abc7news.com/amp/ohio-train-derailment-palestine-in/12818302/

 

[fatness]

Almost 500 cubic yards of "vinyl chloride-impacted material" has been removed, according to the Ohio EPA, and cleanup of contaminated dirt near the derailment site continues. Some of the pits of dirt that have been dug up measure about 700 feet long and 8 feet deep, Kurt Kollar, the on-scene coordinator for the Ohio EPA's Office of Emergency Response, said.

Almost a million gallons of water have been collected and stored in containers on site, Kollar said. By next week, most "high-end, daily" emergency environmental responses should be in their final stages, he said.

 

[Sam Quentin]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

 

[ghostguy123]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Yeah, but mainly for the same reasons

 

[fatness]

They've been arresting news reporters on-scene for trying to cover this.

Well... To be technical, they arrested one guy for "being too loud" during a broadcast while the governor was speaking. Not like they arrested him because he was reporting on the incident and they are suppressing the news.

That was a bad arrest, which is why the charges against the reporter were dropped , and Gov. DeWine said the arrest should never have happened and the guy should have been left alone to continue reporting.

DeWine said Wednesday on “CNN This Morning” he has “never had a problem” during any of the news conferences he’s held during his tenure as governor. “This reporter who was reporting live from the back of the room never should have been asked to stop, never should have been told to be quiet,” the Republican governor told CNN’s Don Lemon and Kaitlan Collins. “That was a big, big mistake. And you know, the person who did that, I’ve explained to them and I’m sure that he’ll never, never do that again.”

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

 

[Sabertooth]

This is just awful. Ancient rail system, can’t see balloons, roads and bridges are a disaster.

Where is all that infrastructure money going?

My guess. It is just going into corporate hands and propping up stock prices. I seem to remember somebody saying years ago to the affect of “if one regulation goes in, two have to come out.” This place voted for this deregulation. Sometimes you make a few bucks on your 401k, others your livestock dies a horrible painful death and your property becomes Chernobyl-lite.

Yay capitalism.

Capitalism is fine, corruption isn’t.

How so? Where is capitalism not in direct conflict with safety?

 

[Sabertooth]

Is this something that FEMA should be involved with? Or are they already?

It is a major failure of our national and state governments (all of them) that we really don't know who should be handling this. There's a link earlier where Erin Brockovich got a bunch of emails and phone calls from residents. Your average American, when something like this happens, the only thing they can think of is call that lady Julia Roberts played 20 years ago.

The older I get the more I realize our two party system is just an elaborate game of good cop / bad cop. Pick left or right, whichever side you end up on, that’s the good cop trying to save you from whatever the other side is doing. The other side is the bad cop.

 

[Sabertooth]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Wasn’t the PSR at the root of the impending strike the government just intervened on, basically kneecapping the unions safety concerns for corporate profit once again?

 

[The Commish]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Wasn’t the PSR at the root of the impending strike the government just intervened on, basically kneecapping the unions safety concerns for corporate profit once again?

I think I’ve read read that but am far from knowledgeable on any of this.

 

[The Commish]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Wasn’t the PSR at the root of the impending strike the government just intervened on, basically kneecapping the unions safety concerns for corporate profit once again?

That was part of it along with pay/sick leave issues etc. Personally, I think the railways should be on the hook for all this crap and a bigger stink needs to be made of the entire thing. This is probably worse than the average oil spills we see in the gulf etc and we see what kind of stink we raise about those. This is worse.

 

[beer 30]

Came across this last night and it was simply inspirational https://twitter.com/SecretaryPete/status/1625628590850117633?s=20

I address my feelings on these infrastructure bills that get passed, funded and result in nothing of substance for better infrastructure.

Saw this last night, it's in a part of western OH not real far from I used to live in Findlay, OH. There are a **** ton of tracks through the farmland there. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/train-tackles-bendy-tracks-ohio/. You'd think some past or present infrastructure bill might have addresses these tracks at some point, right? Bet they aren't a list anywhere for repair.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Good read.

This is my biggest issue out of all of it:

“Even the largest Class I lines don't carry enough insurance to cover worst-case scenarios, and for smaller Class II and Class III railroads-which are required to carry far less insurance than larger rail lines-catastrophic derailment costs are borne mostly by taxpayers.”

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

 

[beer 30]

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

How much do you think an insurance policy for a hazardous waste disaster would be? Not picking at you but let's put some numbers to it because I'm genuinely curious, maybe some of you insurance guys can chime in.

For this particular spill, that's put a price tag of $20m for the clean up. The initial decontamination, re-opening of the tracks, disposal of the bad stuff. That's pretty quantifiable. Then you start to consider the less quantifiable stuff, the health issues, damage to local economy, what if you contaminate the groundwater? I'm just not sure how you structure a policy to cover all the intangibles associated with these events. Let's assume we can though and we put a final number of $50m on the event, how much would that kind of coverage cost?

 

[Sam Quentin]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

It’s not about eyeballs it’s about people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

How much do you think an insurance policy for a hazardous waste disaster would be? Not picking at you but let's put some numbers to it because I'm genuinely curious, maybe some of you insurance guys can chime in.

For this particular spill, that's put a price tag of $20m for the clean up. The initial decontamination, re-opening of the tracks, disposal of the bad stuff. That's pretty quantifiable. Then you start to consider the less quantifiable stuff, the health issues, damage to local economy, what if you contaminate the groundwater? I'm just not sure how you structure a policy to cover all the intangibles associated with these events. Let's assume we can though and we put a final number of $50m on the event, how much would that kind of coverage cost?

I have no idea, but I guarantee that there are actuaries that can figure it out.

I work as an industrial hygiene/environmental consultant. Our company carries specific insurance that covers us in the case of exposure due to a mistake/negligence.

 

[ghostguy123]

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

How much do you think an insurance policy for a hazardous waste disaster would be? Not picking at you but let's put some numbers to it because I'm genuinely curious, maybe some of you insurance guys can chime in.

For this particular spill, that's put a price tag of $20m for the clean up. The initial decontamination, re-opening of the tracks, disposal of the bad stuff. That's pretty quantifiable. Then you start to consider the less quantifiable stuff, the health issues, damage to local economy, what if you contaminate the groundwater? I'm just not sure how you structure a policy to cover all the intangibles associated with these events. Let's assume we can though and we put a final number of $50m on the event, how much would that kind of coverage cost?

I'm sure someone can figure it out. C'mon now.

 

[ghostguy123]

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

How much do you think an insurance policy for a hazardous waste disaster would be? Not picking at you but let's put some numbers to it because I'm genuinely curious, maybe some of you insurance guys can chime in.

For this particular spill, that's put a price tag of $20m for the clean up. The initial decontamination, re-opening of the tracks, disposal of the bad stuff. That's pretty quantifiable. Then you start to consider the less quantifiable stuff, the health issues, damage to local economy, what if you contaminate the groundwater? I'm just not sure how you structure a policy to cover all the intangibles associated with these events. Let's assume we can though and we put a final number of $50m on the event, how much would that kind of coverage cost?

I'm sure someone can figure it out. C'mon now.

If I can have an umbrella policy for 2 million (and I'm a nobody) pretty sure a company transporting apocalyptic amounts of hazardous materials can get insured for 2 billion.

 

[ghostguy123]

Came across this last night and it was simply inspirational https://twitter.com/SecretaryPete/status/1625628590850117633?s=20

I address my feelings on these infrastructure bills that get passed, funded and result in nothing of substance for better infrastructure.

Saw this last night, it's in a part of western OH not real far from I used to live in Findlay, OH. There are a **** ton of tracks through the farmland there. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/train-tackles-bendy-tracks-ohio/. You'd think some past or present infrastructure bill might have addresses these tracks at some point, right? Bet they aren't a list anywhere for repair.

Oh my dear heavens. That's a skilled engineer right there.
That's mind bottling

 

[FairWarning]

Pretty disappointed Mayor Pete`s non-reaction and failure to address this until forced.

I was a Pete fan, but he seems to already been jaded by the big government speak.

Ohio Gov. DeWine (R): President Biden called me and said ‘we will give you anything you need.’ I have not called him back.

Also, has Dewine declared a state of emergency? I don't think FEMA or any feds can do much of anything until requested by Dewine. States rights and all you know

I saw this also. Are railways considered state or federal commerce? I honestly don’t know. I don’t think Dewine handled this well at all either. NS has donated to a lot of politicians on both sides, seems to be treated with kid gloves.

 

[fatness]

The town had a community meeting where hundreds of people showed up to get some answers. The railroad backed out of the meeting.

Meanwhile, representatives of train’s operator, Norfolk Southern, planned on attending Wednesday night’s meeting to provide information to residents on how they’re responding to the chemical crisis. But the company backed out, citing threats against its employees. “We have become increasingly concerned about the growing physical threat to our employees and members of the community around this event stemming from the increasing likelihood of the participation of outside parties,” the company said in a release.

 

[beer 30]

I have no idea, but I guarantee that there are actuaries that can figure it out.

I work as an industrial hygiene/environmental consultant. Our company carries specific insurance that covers us in the case of exposure due to a mistake/negligence.

Yea I agree. When I worked for the haz clean up company we had insurance so somebody provides it. There's also a bank of lawyers running around with indemnity clauses on everything trying to offset liability claims. Fun game.

And small town America deals with it.

 

[The Commish]

At some point, people will realize the "media" in this country "covers" what will get your eyeballs on their page and stay there for as long as possible. This doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way nationally....not with our rather self-absorbed audiences.

WRONG

They will cover what they are told to cover and not cover what they are told to stay out of.

Right....for the reasons I stated

It’s not about eyeballs it’s about people pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't know what this means honestly. If you want to ignore all the evidence, behavior etc. go for it....I'm not stopping you

 

[facook]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Thanks, just came in to post this.

 

[the moops]

I saw this also. Are railways considered state or federal commerce? I honestly don’t know.

I don't know either. Maybe we should sort that out before we go blaming Mayor Pete though

 

[fatness]

Railroads are almost all privately owned but have been regulated (not operated) by the federal government since 1887.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/interstate-commerce-act

 

[fatness]

Decent article on hazmat spills by trains in the last 10 years.

The United States has about 140,000 miles of railroad for freight cars, which are owned and maintained by private organizations. Each year, nearly a billion tons of hazardous materials are shipped by rail, according to the American Chemistry Council. Hazardous materials, or "hazmat," are defined by the federal government as "substances or chemicals that pose a health hazard, a physical hazard, or harm to the environment," such as unrefined oil, liquid natural gas and industrial manufacturing chemicals. These hazmat railcars are are required to meet additional safety regulations to ensure they can carry chemicals across the country without incident.

In the last decade, hazardous materials have spilled or leaked from trains more than 5,000 times in the United States, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal incident reports. However, other forms of transit notched far more spills. For every rail leak reported last year, there were two involving planes and 67 on highways. The federal reports show the number of incidents involving trains has been declining.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Is this something that FEMA should be involved with? Or are they already?

It is a major failure of our national and state governments (all of them) that we really don't know who should be handling this. There's a link earlier where Erin Brockovich got a bunch of emails and phone calls from residents. Your average American, when something like this happens, the only thing they can think of is call that lady Julia Roberts played 20 years ago.

The older I get the more I realize our two party system is just an elaborate game of good cop / bad cop. Pick left or right, whichever side you end up on, that’s the good cop trying to save you from whatever the other side is doing. The other side is the bad cop.

It's more like Dumb and Dumber. The older I get, the more I realize there are very few exceptional people that choose to be politicians.

 

[beer 30]

Decent article on hazmat spills by trains in the last 10 years.

The United States has about 140,000 miles of railroad for freight cars, which are owned and maintained by private organizations. Each year, nearly a billion tons of hazardous materials are shipped by rail, according to the American Chemistry Council. Hazardous materials, or "hazmat," are defined by the federal government as "substances or chemicals that pose a health hazard, a physical hazard, or harm to the environment," such as unrefined oil, liquid natural gas and industrial manufacturing chemicals. These hazmat railcars are are required to meet additional safety regulations to ensure they can carry chemicals across the country without incident.

In the last decade, hazardous materials have spilled or leaked from trains more than 5,000 times in the United States, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal incident reports. However, other forms of transit notched far more spills. For every rail leak reported last year, there were two involving planes and 67 on highways. The federal reports show the number of incidents involving trains has been declining.

Yea, it's probably always going to be that way RE: the highlighted. Every time a semi overturns, it dumps it's tanks. Keep in mind, they hold a helluva lot more gas than your car does and it's diesel so doesn't evaporate and leave little trace. We used to be called out all the time to clean up after a truck flipped over and it was considered a hazardous spill. Same kinda thing with planes, think about refueling one. You screw that up and you almost have to release enough to be considered a spill before you can shut it off given the amount of fuel they pump. I'm spitballing on that but I can see how it happens.

Oh and here's a fun exercise for all of you close by train tracks. Next time you the the cylindrical tank cars going down the track, check how many look like they might have leaked something around the top/bottom from filling/unfilling their loads. Most they keep clean but you'll see one every once in a while that is covered in schmeg. All that stuff is on the ground someplace when they fill/unload typically from emptying hoses. Mostly happens at railyards.

 

[ChiefD]

We have a rail track right outside our office. I could almost pee on it as it goes by if I still had the prostrate of me when I was 14 years old.

Anyway - it's close. There's been a few times where it will make a very uncomfortable sound as it goes by.

 

[culdeus]

Interesting thread here from an expert on train accidents

https://twitter.com/annenjunod/status/1625675148505530368?s=46&t=abw9FgUS8H2qZhidE5hekg

Good read.

This is my biggest issue out of all of it:

“Even the largest Class I lines don't carry enough insurance to cover worst-case scenarios, and for smaller Class II and Class III railroads-which are required to carry far less insurance than larger rail lines-catastrophic derailment costs are borne mostly by taxpayers.”

If companies aren’t carrying enough insurance to cover the potential harms they create, then there is reduced incentive for them to make decisions prioritizing safety.

Supply Side Jesus smiles.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

This is just awful. Ancient rail system, can’t see balloons, roads and bridges are a disaster.

Where is all that infrastructure money going?

My guess. It is just going into corporate hands and propping up stock prices. I seem to remember somebody saying years ago to the affect of “if one regulation goes in, two have to come out.” This place voted for this deregulation. Sometimes you make a few bucks on your 401k, others your livestock dies a horrible painful death and your property becomes Chernobyl-lite.

Yay capitalism.

Capitalism is fine, corruption isn’t.

the two go hand in hand. Especially the more money involved.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Another One (DJ Khaled voice)

 

[massraider]

Another One (DJ Khaled voice)

Also Norfolk Southern. Having a tough February, that Norfolk Southern.

 

[FairWarning]

I saw this also. Are railways considered state or federal commerce? I honestly don’t know.

I don't know either. Maybe we should sort that out before we go blaming Mayor Pete though

I’m not sure his quote today of 1000 trains derailed each year and that one is getting a lot of attention (paraphrasing). Now if people can blame the last regime for changing regulations, this regime can be scrutinized for not changing some back. If there are 1000, it was a matter of time that this happens. We also need to ask why so many, and Pete would be the one to ask.