Owens to Hold a Press Conference (1 Viewer)

[redman]

A question I hope is asked in the press conference: "Is TO struggling to feed his family yet?"

 

[Challenge Everything]

3/2 odds that we see Owens wearing a t-shirt with a "message for the Eagles" or about him on it.

Maybe he wears his Irvin jersey again!

I hope he comes out with a Green Bay Packer Brett Favre jersey... that would be cool.

 

[redman]

3/2 odds that we see Owens wearing a t-shirt with a "message for the Eagles" or about him on it.

Maybe he wears his Irvin jersey again!

I hope he comes out with a Green Bay Packer Brett Favre jersey... that would be cool.

That or a McNabb jersey would be great!

 

[culdeus]

James McDevitt, a Domino's Pizza deliveryman and diehard Eagles fan, delivered what he said was about $20 worth of pizza to Owens' house last night. McDevitt left the $5 tip on the porch. "He needs it to feed his family," said McDevitt, poking fun at the reason Owens cited for demanding a new contract this summer.

Funny. However, my initial thought is I hope that delivery guy doesn't need his job too bad because I think it was unwise to drag the Dominos name, or his role as a Dominos' customer servant, into this. Most people who insult customers are looking for new jobs soon thereafter.

My first thought is isn't there better pizza delivery places than Dominos in Philly?

 

[babydemon90]

I'm pretty sure this about Drew's plans to save another child from drowning to show what a good guy he is.

 

[BigJim®]

But leaving a tip for a customer is a NICE thing to do. And T.O. DID say he needed money to feed his family....

Yes, but calling the newspapers to publicize your disingenuous zing of a Dominos customer is pushing it. Hey, I think it's funny, I'm just saying.... Regardless, delivery guys are rarely out of employment options.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

James McDevitt, a Domino's Pizza deliveryman and diehard Eagles fan, delivered what he said was about $20 worth of pizza to Owens' house last night. McDevitt left the $5 tip on the porch. "He needs it to feed his family," said McDevitt, poking fun at the reason Owens cited for demanding a new contract this summer.

Funny. However, my initial thought is I hope that delivery guy doesn't need his job too bad because I think it was unwise to drag the Dominos name, or his role as a Dominos' customer servant, into this. Most people who insult customers are looking for new jobs soon thereafter.

My first thought is isn't there better pizza delivery places than Dominos in Philly?

You cant feed your family on gourmet pizza if you cant afford it.

 

[tick dog]

Drew's lost quite a bit of loot b/c of TO's idiocy the last couple of weeks.  I'm guessing TO is wearing a muzzle at this press conference, and Drew does much/most of the talking.

like hannibal lechter in silence of the lambs?I can envision that...

Wheeled out on a hand-truck.

 

[Dr. J]

3/2 odds that we see Owens wearing a t-shirt with a "message for the Eagles" or about him on it.

Maybe he wears his Irvin jersey again!

This is a prime opportunity to wear the shirt with the pic of his grandmother on it. If her health allowed her the chance to recognize that he's acting like a jerk, he may actually have a decent influence in his life. Unfortunately, he's left with Irvin, Drew and his mother who never had the sense or ability to raise him in the first place.

 

[vinwinephans]

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others." I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team. Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Few comments - the team aspect for an NFL club versus a MLB club are too different for this to just blindly be applied across the board. Too much in baseball is an individual effort where as all of football is a team effort - every play is a design, part of a system that needs everyone on the same page.I was also thinking, while the NFL is a business, it is an entertainment business. We see this in movies and music all the time - a diva star has an ego the size of texas and they are terrible to deal with.

In the movies and music industry producers and follow actors/musicians put up with this sort of garbage all the time.

But again, the NFL is not the movies and they are not music. In both of those industries you can do-over a recording or taping session.... even after you are done recording, there is editing and enhancing of the final product.

In the NFL, there is no do-over. An interception, fumble, blown assignment or route, touch downs, etc etc are what they are the first time through. You need perfect execution for it to work. You NEED team play for it to work.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

What do you all think?  Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure.

If he uses this (or any subsequent opportunity) to badmouth the team and players, I would love to see them tack on an additional Conduct Detrimental suspension on top of the one he's already serving and keep him on unpaid suspension even longer.

I don't think it is that easy. The language of contracts is kept vague for a reason, Rosie may be a #### but he isn't a fool. I am betting they are working on unpacking the exact language as we speak.

I disagree, Rosenhaus is a fool. Back in the training camp holdout he announced that his client intended to conduct himself with bad faith this year. He promised that his client would be a distraction to the team, and would be insubordinate if he did not get a new contract. His promises were made on T.V. and were recorded. He has placed himself and his client in a very untenable position should this matter go to arbitration, or beyond that even to court. In either venue the ruling authority looks very poorly on parties coming forward asking for redress after they have promised to, and then in fact acted, in bad faith.

 

[firecrackerfreakshow]

zero chance man, TO is too big of an idiot to do this

Far-fetched (but possible) hypothetical:

At this 3pm press-conference, T.O. issues a public apology to the Eagles organization and players in general, and also specifically to Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid, and Hugh Douglas.

He also indicates that he would like the opportunity to personally and privately apologize to the same.

He shows (what appears to be) sincere contrition and explains that he will do WHATEVER it takes to get back on the field as soon as possible.

Does he play again for the Eagles?

If so, how soon?

How likely is this scenario (in percent)?

 

[whhwalker]

No that would be a Michael Vick press conference.

 

[LordHusker]

I think I will hold off on cutting T.O. until around 4 p.m. EST.......

Why?I just cut him.

I don't care if he comes back and plays in some miraculous turn of events.

I'm done with the guy.

 

[softball]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.But I am here to say: He is right. He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.Just ask Hugh, Troy, and Jeremiah et all.Owens would like the Eagles to pony up with money that will most definitley be there come 2006.If you are a fan of the game and great players then you have to see Owens is worth the bread.The Eagles hold all the cards and have shown how they play their hand before. He could be great all season, as he was last year. Then get cut when he doesn't agree to restructure his deal on that bonus $.The Eagles get another great year, and a year to develope the guys behind him, and he gets the same thing he has now. A guarantee of being someplace else.And that team will get to say, "Sorry, you are a 32 year old WR and we are not paying you $7.5m in bonus money.Again, his M.O.A. is terrible.His point is accurate.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

But leaving a tip for a customer is a NICE thing to do. And T.O. DID say he needed money to feed his family....

Yes, but calling the newspapers to publicize your disingenuous zing of a Dominos customer is pushing it. Hey, I think it's funny, I'm just saying.... Regardless, delivery guys are rarely out of employment options.

He didn't call the press, the press was right at TO's doorstep when he did it. They've been at his front door 24/7 for the past week.

 

[Gigantomachia]

What do you all think?  Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure.  Maybe TO figured this was the only way out of his contract and has no problem sitting out a year.  But as I understand the situation, the players union needs to see that TO was not fulfilling his contract.  Interestingly, no one doubts his work ethic or questions that he plays at 100% all the time.  "Causing problems for team morale" seems very subjective at best, what is not is that TO played at the level demanded of him by his contract. 

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Again, the Eagles gain nothing by cutting TO. He can make public comments whether he's a member of the Eagles or not. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the Eagles decided to honor TO's contract, and pay him, but sit him through the duration of it ? Talk about ruining a career.

I understand the basic concept the Eagles are working with, I just wonder if they have really considered what a full blown TO-Rosenhaus media attack would look like? Clearly TO could do this if wasn't with the team, but then he would have less reason to care what the eagles did or did not do.Just trying to think outside the box a bit, I am betting TO is not going to go nearly as quiet as Johnson did.

Gig, wouldn't a full-blown media attack require the support of the media? Granted, the drama queens in the media love this dog-and-pony show but I've heard precious little support for TO in the past 24 hours, Michael Irvin and Steve Young being two of the most prominent exceptions.He can make a stink, sure, especially contractually. But it seems that media, or public, pressure is hardly gonna sway the Eagles in one direction or another right now.

I don't know, I was just watching ESPN and they had Freddie Mitchel and some chick sports reporter from Philly. She more or less the Philly organization babies McNabb and that there is much more support for TO than is publicly being stated by the Eagles. Seems like there is already enough tension between the team and the reporters, they might be all over this for some time. At some point you would think Philly would just want to get TO out of town; out of sight out of mind don't ya know.

 

[BigJim®]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.

But I am here to say: He is right.

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

Sounds like he should have heeded the advice of the player association and not left this bonus virtually unpayable. Not the team's problem.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Sports radio 610 WIP is reporting T.O. will be holding a 3pm (EST) press conference. Worth noting super agent Drew Rosenhaus is in town.

Can't wait to see Drew SPIN this one... or it just might make me puke

You can puke bags of money? Nice.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Few comments - the team aspect for an NFL club versus a MLB club are too different for this to just blindly be applied across the board. Too much in baseball is an individual effort where as all of football is a team effort - every play is a design, part of a system that needs everyone on the same page.I was also thinking, while the NFL is a business, it is an entertainment business. We see this in movies and music all the time - a diva star has an ego the size of texas and they are terrible to deal with.

In the movies and music industry producers and follow actors/musicians put up with this sort of garbage all the time.

But again, the NFL is not the movies and they are not music. In both of those industries you can do-over a recording or taping session.... even after you are done recording, there is editing and enhancing of the final product.

In the NFL, there is no do-over. An interception, fumble, blown assignment or route, touch downs, etc etc are what they are the first time through. You need perfect execution for it to work. You NEED team play for it to work.

Nice try. But, there is no reason why players can't hate each other and still run good routes. Moreover, no one denies that TO is an excellent route runner and that he gave his all on every down.So I guess I don't see your point other than trying to ra ra the team aspect over the business aspect.

 

[bumpman]

What do you all think?  Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure.  Maybe TO figured this was the only way out of his contract and has no problem sitting out a year.  But as I understand the situation, the players union needs to see that TO was not fulfilling his contract.  Interestingly, no one doubts his work ethic or questions that he plays at 100% all the time.  "Causing problems for team morale" seems very subjective at best, what is not is that TO played at the level demanded of him by his contract. 

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Again, the Eagles gain nothing by cutting TO. He can make public comments whether he's a member of the Eagles or not. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the Eagles decided to honor TO's contract, and pay him, but sit him through the duration of it ? Talk about ruining a career.

I understand the basic concept the Eagles are working with, I just wonder if they have really considered what a full blown TO-Rosenhaus media attack would look like? Clearly TO could do this if wasn't with the team, but then he would have less reason to care what the eagles did or did not do.Just trying to think outside the box a bit, I am betting TO is not going to go nearly as quiet as Johnson did.

Gig, wouldn't a full-blown media attack require the support of the media? Granted, the drama queens in the media love this dog-and-pony show but I've heard precious little support for TO in the past 24 hours, Michael Irvin and Steve Young being two of the most prominent exceptions.He can make a stink, sure, especially contractually. But it seems that media, or public, pressure is hardly gonna sway the Eagles in one direction or another right now.

What did Young say about this? I missed it. Thanks in advance.

 

[BlueOnion]

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

You make it sound like it was the Eagles who wanted to put that 7.5 million roster bonus money in the contract. That is just to funny.

 

[B-Deep]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.

But I am here to say: He is right.

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

Sounds like he should have heeded the advice of the player association and not left this bonus virtually unpayable. Not the team's problem.

No it is not. But lets not forget that the Eagles took advantage of TO needing to sign a deal and get out of dodge because of his prior agent. Then the prior agent negotiates a deal the NFLPA tells him is trash. The Eagles took a risk on a player with issues and then used all the leverage they had to sign him to a questionable deal. They were just asking for TO to explode, and he did.TO is a jerk and he is wrong, but lets be honest and fault the eagles for handling this poorly from day 1.

 

[Gigantomachia]

What do you all think?  Is TO simply ready to sit out the year and say nothing, i.e., not continue to point out the Eagles many flaws, or does he want out NOW and thinks he can bully the Eagles into cutting him outright?

Clearly the Eagles can just sit back and act like he is not there, but can they realistically ignore his public comments; of which there will be many I am sure.  Maybe TO figured this was the only way out of his contract and has no problem sitting out a year.  But as I understand the situation, the players union needs to see that TO was not fulfilling his contract.  Interestingly, no one doubts his work ethic or questions that he plays at 100% all the time.  "Causing problems for team morale" seems very subjective at best, what is not is that TO played at the level demanded of him by his contract. 

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Again, the Eagles gain nothing by cutting TO. He can make public comments whether he's a member of the Eagles or not. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the Eagles decided to honor TO's contract, and pay him, but sit him through the duration of it ? Talk about ruining a career.

I understand the basic concept the Eagles are working with, I just wonder if they have really considered what a full blown TO-Rosenhaus media attack would look like? Clearly TO could do this if wasn't with the team, but then he would have less reason to care what the eagles did or did not do.Just trying to think outside the box a bit, I am betting TO is not going to go nearly as quiet as Johnson did.

Gig, wouldn't a full-blown media attack require the support of the media? Granted, the drama queens in the media love this dog-and-pony show but I've heard precious little support for TO in the past 24 hours, Michael Irvin and Steve Young being two of the most prominent exceptions.He can make a stink, sure, especially contractually. But it seems that media, or public, pressure is hardly gonna sway the Eagles in one direction or another right now.

What did Young say about this? I missed it. Thanks in advance.

Young more or less said the Eagles are way worse without TO, no matter how big a mouth he has.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

James McDevitt, a Domino's Pizza deliveryman and diehard Eagles fan, delivered what he said was about $20 worth of pizza to Owens' house last night. McDevitt left the $5 tip on the porch. "He needs it to feed his family," said McDevitt, poking fun at the reason Owens cited for demanding a new contract this summer.

Funny. However, my initial thought is I hope that delivery guy doesn't need his job too bad because I think it was unwise to drag the Dominos name, or his role as a Dominos' customer servant, into this. Most people who insult customers are looking for new jobs soon thereafter.

This guy just attached the brand name "Domino's Pizza" to the biggest news story in the sports world. You know, the sports world dominated by 18-45 year old males who like to eat pizza. This is the type of free advertising that corporations dream of.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

T.O. is an ###, no debating that. His method of going about getting new/more $ is all wrong.

But I am here to say: He is right.

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

Just ask Hugh, Troy, and Jeremiah et all.

Owens would like the Eagles to pony up with money that will most definitley be there come 2006.

If you are a fan of the game and great players then you have to see Owens is worth the bread.

The Eagles hold all the cards and have shown how they play their hand before. He could be great all season, as he was last year. Then get cut when he doesn't agree to restructure his deal on that bonus $.

The Eagles get another great year, and a year to develope the guys behind him, and he gets the same thing he has now. A guarantee of being someplace else.

And that team will get to say, "Sorry, you are a 32 year old WR and we are not paying you $7.5m in bonus money.

Again, his M.O.A. is terrible.

His point is accurate.

They offered Hugh Douglas a contract before he left for JAX and Douglas' agent rejected it before Hugh saw it. The money and years were similar to JAX's offer. So there goes that one.Trotter was no where near 30 when they let him go. Strike 2.

Vincent was a shell of his former self and they had two good CB's waiting in the wings. Being 30 had nothing to do with it, his skills were diminishing and couldn't stay healthy.

If Owens shut his pie hole and had another great year, he'd have gotten his $$$. The Eagles organization is many things,but they aren't stupid. Those fans would have burned that stadium to the ground if TO put up 1400 and 15 TDs again and was cut the year after.

 

[posty]

It would be sweet if no one showed up...

 

[Raiders Fan]

I was offered Martin for him in a keeper league.. I quickly said no I can get more next summer like a 1st round pick in the up coming keeper draft.. losing value sure but better then losing a ton of value..

 

[B-Deep]

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

You make it sound like it was the Eagles who wanted to put that 7.5 million roster bonus money in the contract. That is just to funny.

What, there hand was forced by TO and his agent? TO had no leverage, NONE! He could sign the eagles contract or....play for the niners under his older even more lopsided contract? Play for the Ravens?Of course they wanted that in the contract, it boosted the #s to a more acceptable level, and if they win a super bowl or two they pay it and are happy, if not they escape without paying it. It is laughable to think they did not want this in the contract.

 

[Gigantomachia]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

 

[B-Deep]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

Jerk is our way of circumventing the language filtersHis talent on the field does not have anything to do with him being a jerk. His actions do.

 

[Gigantomachia]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game.  Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

Jerk is our way of circumventing the language filtersHis talent on the field does not have anything to do with him being a jerk. His actions do.

You mean his honesty?

 

[BlueOnion]

He'll be 32 next year, due $7.5m in roster bonus money. The Eagles have a long and winding road of keeping players under 30 and sending players over 30 packing.

You make it sound like it was the Eagles who wanted to put that 7.5 million roster bonus money in the contract. That is just to funny.

What, there hand was forced by TO and his agent? TO had no leverage, NONE! He could sign the eagles contract or....play for the niners under his older even more lopsided contract? Play for the Ravens?Of course they wanted that in the contract, it boosted the #s to a more acceptable level, and if they win a super bowl or two they pay it and are happy, if not they escape without paying it. It is laughable to think they did not want this in the contract.

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

 

[Sweeper]

BIG JIM ... your avitar is THE BEST!!!!

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

[inigo montoya]I do not think it means what you think it means

[/inigo montoya]

 

[vinwinephans]

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Few comments - the team aspect for an NFL club versus a MLB club are too different for this to just blindly be applied across the board. Too much in baseball is an individual effort where as all of football is a team effort - every play is a design, part of a system that needs everyone on the same page.I was also thinking, while the NFL is a business, it is an entertainment business. We see this in movies and music all the time - a diva star has an ego the size of texas and they are terrible to deal with.

In the movies and music industry producers and follow actors/musicians put up with this sort of garbage all the time.

But again, the NFL is not the movies and they are not music. In both of those industries you can do-over a recording or taping session.... even after you are done recording, there is editing and enhancing of the final product.

In the NFL, there is no do-over. An interception, fumble, blown assignment or route, touch downs, etc etc are what they are the first time through. You need perfect execution for it to work. You NEED team play for it to work.

Nice try. But, there is no reason why players can't hate each other and still run good routes. Moreover, no one denies that TO is an excellent route runner and that he gave his all on every down.So I guess I don't see your point other than trying to ra ra the team aspect over the business aspect.

Nice try? What exactly did you make as a point other than to throw your Bobby Cox analogy out there. An anology using a Baseball Team that has been to the post season how many times and has, what, one championship to show for it?I was not asking for your blessing on my opinion. I offered it and I stand by it.

You saying nice try will not change it?

What does running a team like a business mean to you? Running a team like a business means making money - making money means you need to win - in order to win you need a stable and grounded locker room. So again, how does keeping TO make a sound business decision?

I fail to see your point.

 

[theToes]

Far-fetched (but possible) hypothetical:

At this 3pm press-conference, T.O. issues a public apology to the Eagles organization and players in general, and also specifically to Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid, and Hugh Douglas.

He also indicates that he would like the opportunity to personally and privately apologize to the same.

He shows (what appears to be) sincere contrition and explains that he will do WHATEVER it takes to get back on the field as soon as possible.

Does he play again for the Eagles?

If so, how soon?

How likely is this scenario (in percent)?

In Reids conference yesterday he was very careful in what he said but the one thing he made very clear was that the suspension was handed down because of a series of vilolations. I'm sure the Eagles have been keeping a log of even the smallest infraction to use for the suspension. Also, the Eagles will not release TO until March. If they do so before then it has cap ramifications.

Even if the Eagles were to lose a grievence, which I'm sure they won't, they can still de-activate Owens for the rest of the season.

The only thing that still needs to be settled is how much $$$$ TO has cost himself. He will lose around $800,000 for the 4 game suspension and WIP is reporting that the club is going after some of his $1.8 million signing bonus for breech of contract. Might be a little tougher to feed his family soon.

 

[B-Deep]

You mean his honesty?

If you go up to a fat lady on the street and tell her she is fat you may be honest but you are stil a jerk. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[BlueOnion]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

Good grief? - T.O. publically calls out his teammates, a teammate who formerly lobbied to get him to Philadelphia.

- Some average Joe who cleans the players jerseys and jock straps said 'hello' to T.O. after he reported to camp this season and T.O. goes off on him, "Don't talk to me, if I want to talk to you, I will talk to you."

- Mooch goes out of his way in 1998 when T.O. is crying on the side line to console and comfort T.O.

The list goes on and on and you don't think he is a jerk? Hey, a guy can be a great player and a jerk at the same time.

 

[BlueOnion]

BIG JIM ... your avitar is THE BEST!!!!

I have to give it up to my nemesis, it is a great avatar.

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

Since the first infraction, the Eagles gave TO a documented list of complaints and what he could and could not do. They have been documenting his behavior, and they say if he pushes this union thing, they will suspend him twice. That's right, they believe they have enough ammo to suspend him twice for four games each with so many incidents...which would mean no pay for the rest of the season, not just for four games.

 

[Sweeper]

James McDevitt, a Domino's Pizza deliveryman and diehard Eagles fan, delivered what he said was about $20 worth of pizza to Owens' house last night. McDevitt left the $5 tip on the porch. "He needs it to feed his family," said McDevitt, poking fun at the reason Owens cited for demanding a new contract this summer.

Funny. However, my initial thought is I hope that delivery guy doesn't need his job too bad because I think it was unwise to drag the Dominos name, or his role as a Dominos' customer servant, into this. Most people who insult customers are looking for new jobs soon thereafter.

This guy just attached the brand name "Domino's Pizza" to the biggest news story in the sports world. You know, the sports world dominated by 18-45 year old males who like to eat pizza. This is the type of free advertising that corporations dream of.

Well ... i bet Papa Jacks will hire him after being mentioned in the news .. nationally.

 

[B-Deep]

The Eagles may have wanted it in there, but they didn't want it in there as much as T.O. (T.O. = T.O. and is hired entourage [sp??]).

TO wanted the money, the Eagles wanted the struture. IT was a built in escape chute in case of an issue like this. It was smart, in a way, but it was very obvious. Once Drew pointed it out TO was off like a rocket.

 

[suchislife]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

Good grief? - T.O. publically calls out his teammates, a teammate who formerly lobbied to get him to Philadelphia.

- Some average Joe who cleans the players jerseys and jock straps said 'hello' to T.O. after he reported to camp this season and T.O. goes off on him, "Don't talk to me, if I want to talk to you, I will talk to you."

- Mooch goes out of his way in 1998 when T.O. is crying on the side line to console and comfort T.O.

The list goes on and on and you don't think he is a jerk? Hey, a guy can be a great player and a jerk at the same time.

One small correction Onion, it was Offensive Coordinator Brad Childress that T.O. told "Don't talk to me...etc."

 

[Gigantomachia]

Guess I am just wondering how much leverage TO has with respect to his "not playing well with others."  I remember the Braves about 10 years ago all hating each other, and Cox was very clear; we do not have to be friends to be play as a team.  Considering the NFL is a business and not a feel-good boys club, seems TO has a valid argument, IMO.

Few comments - the team aspect for an NFL club versus a MLB club are too different for this to just blindly be applied across the board. Too much in baseball is an individual effort where as all of football is a team effort - every play is a design, part of a system that needs everyone on the same page.I was also thinking, while the NFL is a business, it is an entertainment business. We see this in movies and music all the time - a diva star has an ego the size of texas and they are terrible to deal with.

In the movies and music industry producers and follow actors/musicians put up with this sort of garbage all the time.

But again, the NFL is not the movies and they are not music. In both of those industries you can do-over a recording or taping session.... even after you are done recording, there is editing and enhancing of the final product.

In the NFL, there is no do-over. An interception, fumble, blown assignment or route, touch downs, etc etc are what they are the first time through. You need perfect execution for it to work. You NEED team play for it to work.

Nice try. But, there is no reason why players can't hate each other and still run good routes. Moreover, no one denies that TO is an excellent route runner and that he gave his all on every down.So I guess I don't see your point other than trying to ra ra the team aspect over the business aspect.

Nice try? What exactly did you make as a point other than to throw your Bobby Cox analogy out there. An anology using a Baseball Team that has been to the post season how many times and has, what, one championship to show for it?I was not asking for your blessing on my opinion. I offered it and I stand by it.

You saying nice try will not change it?

What does running a team like a business mean to you? Running a team like a business means making money - making money means you need to win - in order to win you need a stable and grounded locker room. So again, how does keeping TO make a sound business decision?

I fail to see your point.

I guess we will see how much "winning" Philly does from here on out.

And I see no evidence to support your assumption that winning needs a "stable and grounded locker room." That is nice rhetoric, but winning needs good players willing to give their all on the field. What happens off the field should not matter as long as the player is giving his all during game time and practice; which TO always has.

People getting fired up by comments made on a forum =

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game.  Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

[inigo montoya]I do not think it means what you think it means

[/inigo montoya]

 

[Gigantomachia]

You mean his honesty?

If you go up to a fat lady on the street and tell her she is fat you may be honest but you are stil a jerk. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Which I find very odd mind you.

 

[R. Duke]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.

He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game. Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

Jerk is our way of circumventing the language filtersHis talent on the field does not have anything to do with him being a jerk. His actions do.

You mean his stupidity?

Fixed

 

[radballs.]

Anyone have an internet feed link for this?

 

[Gigantomachia]

I love all these TO is a jerk comments.He is a NFL receiver, perhaps the best in the game.  Just because he has a skewed view, perhaps, of what it means to be on a team does not quid pro quo make him a jerk.

But then jumping to conclusions is what Americans do best.

[inigo montoya]

I do not think it means what you think it means

[/inigo montoya]

It is latin for "this for that" and is often used in ethics circles to account for actions determined as punishable in accord with ontological grounds. Having a skewed view of morals is not enough to determine that one is a jerk, in fact, because of the subjectivity of the term jerk, there more than likey is no common ground from which to accuse another of being a jerk. Thus . . .