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Pablo Torre investigation discussion (1 Viewer)
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Here's a link to Pablo's site and the doc is within
www.pablo.show
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Arthur Blank explains why Falcons pursued Deshaun Watson but not Lamar Jackson
Why would the Falcons not pursue Lamar Jackson?
Here's a bit by Schwab. I needed to refresh my memory on Lamar
From a union standpoint, this will be something that never gets forgotten and comes up during every negotiation from this point forward.
Collusion is always big. The concept of an open market yet they're colluding is awful.
I don't think the owners are all that wrong here and someone that's done business deals would need to chime in. Didn't everyone think Watson's contract was absurd? So then (other than above vague) why is it so wrong if the owners all think the same?
Prior two comments. I get lost in the hypocrisy. Can they both be true?
Every athletic QB that gets injured at a rate similar to Lamar will probably have some pause.
There are Falcons fans that bring up Lamar versus Cousins in a "we could have had him" light.
I don't understand the totality of Murray's issue. I haven't read the 100 page document completely. People question his commitment and were talking of him playing video games and all that back then.
Russ "Wuss" Wilson
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol - who pronounces “Russ” like that? Or “wuss” for that matter. Cmon man
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
for him to be complaining is absolutely absurd!
I really liked him before and with Denver (my team), despite the fact that he was an idiot when he was here. I forgave it all, but now, I hate the dude because he's a scumbag thief. Local radio said 4% of donations actually went to the end users... the absolute worst, by far, of all professional athletes with charities...
Russell Wilson's Why Not You Foundation faced scrutiny over its spending practices. A USA Today report indicated that the foundation allocated a significant portion of its funds to employee salaries and benefits rather than charitable causes, with only a fraction of each dollar going directly to aid programs.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
isn't that how charities work? Maybe I just don't know the inner workings but I just assumed that charities paid whatever expenses they had and then donated the rest. 
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I watched a much shorter video and @Bri can correct me if I'm wrong here but basically Goodell wanted to limit the number of guaranteed money in (QB?) contracts.
As far as I know, and I did not read all of the report, Russ was not complaining. It was the union rep, JC Tretter, insulting and complaining about him because he felt that Russ could have pushed for his total contract extension with Denver to be guaranteed and helped set a precedent.
bro1ncos
IBL Representative
Basically any guaranteed contract, but yes 3 QBs were the focus.
Real question is why did the NFLPA union sit on this news for 5 months? This should be something that the players want out there in the public.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I mean isn't the finding that there wasn't collusion?
This is the same thing every sports league does. Share the salaries and decisions made across teams, show how it's gotten super high or exceeds growth in some areas, and show the teams which ones among them are being dumb.
With arbitration we used to specifically design the update decks to make it obvious that someone whose GM didn't aggressively go in arbitration cost him a bunch of money and we'd try to make sure he felt dumb or annoyed in front of the other owners.
It's not collusion. Nobody makes a deal or acts in concert, but the league office's job is to provide the facts of the situation and also protect the economic viability of the business. One good way to do that is make sure everyone knows how stupid somebody was and publicly rail their stupidity so others don't want to be made fun of by their billionaire competitors.
This is the same thing every sports league does. Share the salaries and decisions made across teams, show how it's gotten super high or exceeds growth in some areas, and show the teams which ones among them are being dumb.
With arbitration we used to specifically design the update decks to make it obvious that someone whose GM didn't aggressively go in arbitration cost him a bunch of money and we'd try to make sure he felt dumb or annoyed in front of the other owners.
It's not collusion. Nobody makes a deal or acts in concert, but the league office's job is to provide the facts of the situation and also protect the economic viability of the business. One good way to do that is make sure everyone knows how stupid somebody was and publicly rail their stupidity so others don't want to be made fun of by their billionaire competitors.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
1. Cleveland gave fully guaranteed contract to Watson
2. NFL league office recognizes that could be pretty harmful to economics of league if it becomes the norm, tells everyone how it was dumb and why it should not be the norm
3. Teams independently listened and decided they didn't want to be the next guy who made it the norm.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Shouldn't the NFLFPA also not want these big mega contracts? Since there'd be less $$$ to go around? From a player standpoint it makes sense to want a ton of guaranteed money but from the NFL standpoint it could make teams not as competitive and really water down an already watered down product.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I've never found a players' union that cares about the product (or any other union, but thats a whole other thing).
The union in the NFL is typically fighting for:
1. A higher % of the pie
2. More guaranteed contracts
3. Better lifetime healthcare
4. Have to work less (e.g., fewer practices, limits on offseason activities)
5. Fewer FA restrictions
pinkstapler
Footballguy
The NFLPA has (IMO) a history of caring and lobbying much more for the top 5% of players than the other 95%. Many of the things they push for prioritize the wants and desires of the superstars, which in itself is "okay" and I see the logic behind it. But what bothers me is it's often at the expense of the typical player with a career length of 3 years. The rookie wage scale installed in 2011 is just one glaring example. It took 14 years for a 1.01 QB pick to come close to what Sam Bradford got contract wise in 2010. All that despite the salary cap increasing by over 130% over those 14 years. It was easy selling the current members of the union at that point to just steal out of the pockets of the faceless people who weren't yet in it, after all it's a 0 sum game: if we are paying rookies all this money, there's less of it for "you". Leaving out of course future contracts are largely leveraged based on average positional salaries, which would be getting purposefully lowered by this change. So in a roundabout way they were still losing money.
This change had further ramifications with non-star vet players getting 2nd/3rd contracts as well and wound up leading to the persistent short career lengths, which logic tells us should have actually gotten longer over the past few decades due to higher caliber of athlete, higher level of medical care and overall focus on physical wellness, and the rule changes which have greatly reduced the amount and severity of injury. But the career length hasn't. And part of that is now that rookies contracts are cost controlled, and outside the top 24 aren't guaranteed (at least this is what I think it used to be if that's changed), and regardless of what they sign for that rookie can be cut to the tune of 50% of the rookie minimum wage.... who is going to sign an average vet? Forget him, grab the rookie, the cost savings is so dramatic it compensates for losing that vets knowledge and experience.
Long story short the NFLPA is dumb, shortsighted, does terrible prioritizing, and rarely does what's good for the overwhelming majority of players. I believe that last survey showed 93% of players want to play on grass, and this is not a new sentiment. Plenty of data backing up it's more than just a player preference too, major correlations with injuries, especially career altering/ending injuries. AFAIK, it didn't even get discussed during the last negotiation. Worst players association in professional sports. And the stars of the league bear some of that responsibility as well.
