that is a good point. ton of homerism here, but still love the ultimate underdog story with Nick Foles taking on the big bad empire in Tom Brady in the '17 Super Bowl. looking at the list, i would have to say the 2020 match-up of Mahones vs Brady gives that great impression of an old guy not looking to let go just yet for one last run, with the new sexy toy on the block looking to dethrone him.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you're saying but Ben nor Eli never had the all around level of talent that surrounds Hurts this year. This Eagles team has no weaknesses at all. You think the turnaround from an average QB last year to elite QB this year is a coincidence? Howie Roseman is the true architect here.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
Tampa's defense squished Mahomes
Yea ngl, was hoping for Cinci. Feel like Mahomes has that magic in him, even though the Eagles have the advantage in the trenches to do magic Mahomes things. Burrow would have been sacked 14 times.Tampa's defense squished Mahomes
KC had at least three starting offensive linemen missing that game, IIRC. They were what Cincinnati would have been this year, which is cannon fodder for that pass rush of Philly.
Right. Tampa’s defense squished Mahomes.Tampa's defense squished Mahomes
KC had at least three starting offensive linemen missing that game, IIRC.
The thing is Hurts is nothing like any of those QB's. His game is simply different. Is he just a runner? No, not at all - Eagles have TWO thousand yard receivers, something MANY teams in the league don't have. He's been excellent on deep passes (not this past game, but this season). But they absolutely use his legs and the run game as a weapon and a key component of this offense, to the extent we really haven't seen before.Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
I'm not saying Hurts is like those guys. I'm saying when ranking QBs across the league, he's more in the caliber of those guys. Guys who were good but weren't top-3 guys at really any point of their careers. I also think Hurts isn't a top-3 guy, at least not yet, as he's obviously improved this season, and could certainly continue to improve.The thing is Hurts is nothing like any of those QB's. His game is simply different. Is he just a runner? No, not at all - Eagles have TWO thousand yard receivers, something MANY teams in the league don't have. He's been excellent on deep passes (not this past game, but this season). But they absolutely use his legs and the run game as a weapon and a key component of this offense, to the extent we really haven't seen before.Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
If you like pure passers, then yea, this offense won't look good to you. But its absolutely effective. I do wonder how effective it'll be if they have to pay Hurts 40 mil and cant stock the team, but thats a question for another day.
The 2 most compelling QB matchups pre-game were Brady/Mahomes 2 years ago and Marino/Montana in 1985. A prime Montana vs a record setting Marino. Neither game lived up to expectations.Brady/Mahomes 2 years ago should have been, but Tampa's defense squished Mahomes, so it was quite a let down.
All time great, no.I'm not saying Hurts is like those guys. I'm saying when ranking QBs across the league, he's more in the caliber of those guys. Guys who were good but weren't top-3 guys at really any point of their careers. I also think Hurts isn't a top-3 guy, at least not yet, as he's obviously improved this season, and could certainly continue to improve.The thing is Hurts is nothing like any of those QB's. His game is simply different. Is he just a runner? No, not at all - Eagles have TWO thousand yard receivers, something MANY teams in the league don't have. He's been excellent on deep passes (not this past game, but this season). But they absolutely use his legs and the run game as a weapon and a key component of this offense, to the extent we really haven't seen before.Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
If you like pure passers, then yea, this offense won't look good to you. But its absolutely effective. I do wonder how effective it'll be if they have to pay Hurts 40 mil and cant stock the team, but thats a question for another day.
Eagles weapons are certainly among the best in the NFL. DeVonta Smith would be the #1 WR on probably 2/3rds of the teams in the NFL, he's just on a team with a top-5 WR and a top-5 TE.
All I was saying was that the premise of the thread was something I disagreed with, because Hurts hasn't proven he's an elite QB or an all-time great.
Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
And had two 1000 yard receivers, one of the best QB ratings in the league, and (I think) the highest QB rating on deep passes.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
no idea what you’re talking about here. Hurts had the 10th most passing yards on the season. Eagles scored the 3rd most points.
10th most? He also missed two games. Add 450-500 yards where does he land? How about on total TD's (add 4 or 5 to that too)Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
no idea what you’re talking about here. Hurts had the 10th most passing yards on the season. Eagles scored the 3rd most points.
10th most? He also missed two games. Add 450-500 yards where does he land? How about on total TD's (add 4 or 5 to that too)Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
no idea what you’re talking about here. Hurts had the 10th most passing yards on the season. Eagles scored the 3rd most points.
10th most? He also missed two games. Add 450-500 yards where does he land? How about on total TD's (add 4 or 5 to that too)Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
no idea what you’re talking about here. Hurts had the 10th most passing yards on the season. Eagles scored the 3rd most points.
The question was about best Super Bowl QB matchups. I'm only comparing Hurts to Eli in 2011 (his best season, where he was elite in the playoffs) when he faced Brady, or Ben in 2010 (where he would have been the runner-up MVP to Brady if he hadn't missed 4 games) when he faced Rodgers.Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
Generous? Not for a year. If you compared careers I guess but by year 3 Ben was leading the league in interceptions. Eli got there in year 4. Hurts at this point is better than either were at the same point in their careers.
It is hard to evaluate players that took such a big leap like Hurts did this year. Story is still being writtenI guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
Going all the way back to Super Bowl I, we had Starr v. Dawson, 2 HOF QB's.just a few that come to mind.....some never lived up to the hype
Montana/Marino
Montana/Elway
Elway/Favre
Aikman/Kelly
Bradshaw/Staubach
Brady/Mahomes
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
And had two 1000 yard receivers, one of the best QB ratings in the league, and (I think) the highest QB rating on deep passes.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
Right. Those receivers are among the best in the league as is his O line. Ultimately It’s a team game and hurts is playing really well.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
You should watch rugby. You’ll love it. There’s so much less passing.
no idea what you’re talking about here. Hurts had the 10th most passing yards on the season. Eagles scored the 3rd most points.
The question was about best Super Bowl QB matchups. I'm only comparing Hurts to Eli in 2011 (his best season, where he was elite in the playoffs) when he faced Brady, or Ben in 2010 (where he would have been the runner-up MVP to Brady if he hadn't missed 4 games) when he faced Rodgers.Huh, here I thought I was kind of being generous comparing Hurts to Eli or especially Big Ben.Brady vs Mahomes was only 2 years ago.Due to the fact that both Super Bowl QBs had MVP-caliber seasons, I haven't been this excited about a Super Bowl QB matchup since Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV. What about everyone else?
Ryan vs Brady was the MVP vs the guy who would have been MVP if he hadn't been suspended for the first 4 games.
I don't see Hurts as on that level yet. He's good, but he's not a truly elite QB in my opinion. This is closer to Brady/Eli or maybe Rodgers/Roethlisberger.
I get what you’re saying, but hurts is so much more exciting than Ben or Eli. Quality might be similar when they’re on their A game.
I almost said Goff from 2018, as he was an MVP candidate on a loaded team that year and hadn't really shown his warts yet.
I guess count me in the camp that thinks Hurts is slightly overrated, which isn't me saying he isn't very good (I'm not a Hurts hater by any means) but I just don't see him as an elite QB yet. He was a top-5 QB this year, but a lot closer to 5th than 1st.
Generous? Not for a year. If you compared careers I guess but by year 3 Ben was leading the league in interceptions. Eli got there in year 4. Hurts at this point is better than either were at the same point in their careers.
How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61
I believe he was benched that season for Brock Osweiler for part of the season.How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61
The stem cells and HGH wore off.How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61
That includes his rushing TDs.The stem cells and HGH wore off.How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61
Honestly, I feel like Peyton and Ray Lewis both got away with shenanigans their last couple years. Like they got a free medical exemption just to keep playing.
ETA- I’m more shocked Cam threw that many TDs.
Thanks. So strange to see someone fall off from 60 to 11 in two years.I believe he was benched that season for Brock Osweiler for part of the season.How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61
Thanks. So strange to see someone fall off from 60 to 11 in two years.I believe he was benched that season for Brock Osweiler for part of the season.How is that even imaginable?Going back 15 Super Bowls . . . most combined TD between QBs (regular and post season up to the SB):
2013 Peyton (60) + Wilson (28) = 88
2015 Newton (50) + Peyton (11) = 61