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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)

massraider said:
Shefter's word was bond when he said 1st and 4th.

Now people have doubts when he says no trade.

Interesting.
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It just makes no sense.

Although Belichick makes some head scratching moves sometimes.

See Lawyer Milloy, Chandler Jones, Jamie Colliins. ... So you never know.

 
Bossman said:
It just makes no sense.

Although Belichick makes some head scratching moves sometimes.

See Lawyer Milloy, Chandler Jones, Jamie Colliins. ... So you never know.
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What makes no sense is trading two premium picks for a guy that has 6 quarters of playing time, and giving a huge contract.

My guess is the Pats are floating him, and no one is biting.

Not yet anyway, I cannot say for sure someone won't, but I find it hard to believe multiple teams are in a rush to do that.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Browns arent giving their future 1st.  Zero chance.  Not a smart move whem you are the worst team.  
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Honestly I think their second round pick (and maybe a late round or future mid round pick) gets it done. I don't see the Browns as the team that ultimately lands him though - they are likely better off waiting until next season when they'll surely have a top pick once again.

 
Jimmy G is better than any qb coming out in the draft this year. I wouldn’t give him up for a second round pick...The Patriots are in a great spot either way.

 
massraider said:
What makes no sense is trading two premium picks for a guy that has 6 quarters of playing time, and giving a huge contract.

My guess is the Pats are floating him, and no one is biting.

Not yet anyway, I cannot say for sure someone won't, but I find it hard to believe multiple teams are in a rush to do that.
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What makes no sense is a team in need of a QB not giving up a 1st rd pick for a QB that is better than any QB you could draft with that same pick.

 
Bossman said:
What makes no sense is a team in need of a QB not giving up a 1st rd pick for a QB that is better than any QB you could draft with that same pick.
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He's probably not better than the other players they could draft in the 1st. Just don't draft a qb early this year. 

 
-OZ- said:
He's probably not better than the other players they could draft in the 1st. Just don't draft a qb early this year. 
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Week 1 of 2017 JG is light years ahead of, and better than, any rookie available.

Wait til next year? Like the Browns did last year ... and the year before that.  Or draft a QB late this year? To build your franchise around? Good luck.

Teams in need of a QB will make getting one a priority and it's a "sellers market". 

 
Bossman said:
Week 1 of 2017 JG is light years ahead of, and better than, any rookie available.

Wait til next year? Like the Browns did last year ... and the year before that.  Or draft a QB late this year? To build your franchise around? Good luck.

Teams in need of a QB will make getting one a priority and it's a "sellers market". 
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Teams chasing "best player for week 1" will continue to fail. 

As will teams chasing QB when quality isn't there. 

 
-OZ- said:
Teams chasing "best player for week 1" will continue to fail. 

As will teams chasing QB when quality isn't there. 
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It's a catch-22...I don't disagree with what you are saying because you are correct...but on the flip-side if you don't have a solid QB you're gonna fail...it's just a fact of life in the NFL that if you don't have a good QB you are in trouble...teams can try to be patient all they want but if a team like Cleveland throws up another 1-15 or 2-14 season and still doesn't have their QB situation solved the Coach and GM seat is gonna start getting hot which usually leads to silly decisions...

 
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Boston said:
It's a catch-22...I don't disagree with what you are saying because you are correct...but on the flip-side if you don't have a solid QB you're gonna fail...it's just a fact of life in the NFL that if you don't have a good QB you are in trouble...teams can try to be patient all they want but if a team like Cleveland throws up another 1-15 or 2-14 season and still doesn't have their QB situation solved the Coach and GM seat is gonna start getting hot which usually leads to silly decisions...
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Yeah, like paying through the nose for a guy like JG.............. :porked:

 
ghostguy123 said:
Yeah, like paying through the nose for a guy like JG.............. :porked:
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Or drafting a QB before you should like Goff...there are a 1,000 examples of this which is why I find the Jimmy G discussion so humorous as some are trying to isolate it instead of looking at the big picture...

 
Boston said:
Or drafting a QB before you should like Goff...there are a 1,000 examples of this which is why I find the Jimmy G discussion so humorous as some are trying to isolate it instead of looking at the big picture...
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Or overpaying for a QB in general, like every team will be doing with this years crop of average 

 
ghostguy123 said:
Or overpaying for a QB in general, like every team will be doing with this years crop of average 
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Yup...this position has become almost too important...you are doomed without one...these Gms and coaches have such a short shelf-life they are forced to take unwise gambles because if they don't they are probably gonna lose their job anyways...

 
Bossman said:
Week 1 of 2017 JG is light years ahead of, and better than, any rookie available.

Wait til next year? Like the Browns did last year ... and the year before that.  Or draft a QB late this year? To build your franchise around? Good luck.

Teams in need of a QB will make getting one a priority and it's a "sellers market". 
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I guess there will be a lot of trades for big prices for these QBs then. Looking forward to all the blockbusters.

I'm glad JG looked good one week playing for a Super Bowl team.

Was it as good as Matt Barkley's best game?

 
gunther said:
Adam isn't the source to this story too is he? Pay 1.1 million to a guy they are comfortable backing up Brady or trade him and pay a backup more than 1.1 million. It sounds like the Pats are getting worse in the deal.  

These are the type of players the Pats are exploring? 

http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/story/1754596-free-agent-pre-take-quarterbacks
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Hoyer was mentioned as a person of interest for NE. Cassel just signed a two year extension with TEN for a total of $5.25 million.

NE can afford to pay a back up more than the $885K they would pay JG. It's not about the money, it's about the opportunity to bolster the roster at other spots. Speculation now has NE hoping for a first and a second for Garoppolo or else they won't trade him.

I have heard some banter and discussion along the lines of . . . NE would not win a title with a catastrophic injury to Brady this upcoming year (even with JG on the roster), so why not trade JG to load up on young talent and make one more SB run with Brady.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above . . . just presenting the information.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Hoyer was mentioned as a person of interest for NE. Cassel just signed a two year extension with TEN for a total of $5.25 million.

NE can afford to pay a back up more than the $885K they would pay JG. It's not about the money, it's about the opportunity to bolster the roster at other spots. Speculation now has NE hoping for a first and a second for Garoppolo or else they won't trade him.

I have heard some banter and discussion along the lines of . . . NE would not win a title with a catastrophic injury to Brady this upcoming year (even with JG on the roster), so why not trade JG to load up on young talent and make one more SB run with Brady.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above . . . just presenting the information.
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Well, they've been less than 50% with Brady. So, sure 

 
Anarchy99 said:
They have been pretty decent with Brady starting . . .

- 33% SB wins
- 47% SB appearances
- 73% AFCCG appearances
 
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Silly. That is just silly.

I don't like to give a QB all of the credit for team accomplishments ... but holy cow Brady. Give someone else a chance. 

No wonder there is so much hate.

 
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If the Patriots were serious about keeping JG, wouldn't it make sense for them to sign him to a two year deal for $23m ... vs tagging him next year at $22m?

Absorb half of the cap hit this year and ... this would give them another year of control having the option of tagging him in the 3rd year.

Not sure JG would go for that but would be pretty tempting for him to take the $23m vs $870k that he is due.

 
Bossman said:
Silly. That is just silly.

I don't like to give a QB all of the credit for team accomplishments ... but holy cow Brady. Give someone else a chance. 

No wonder there is so much hate.
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Right - not all,  BB gets a ton of credit.  Which is why the comment about jimmy not leading them to a championship is somewhat surprising.

 
massraider said:
Sure was. And had a good game or two. More than Jimmy G. 
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Yeah, right. NFL games are televised, so maybe watch one once in a while instead of checking fantasy stats. I know you're trolling just bringing him up, but try and at least add something to the thread.

 
Bossman said:
Week 1 of 2017 JG is light years ahead of, and better than, any rookie available.
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lol

So what?  Even if you could prove this to be true, which you can't, this is the reason you sell out a mid to high 1st rounder plus?  To have the best possible QB in week 1 of the coming season?  Then CLE ought to send the 1.01 to the Bears for Cutler.

 
Bronco Billy said:
lol

So what?  Even if you could prove this to be true, which you can't, this is the reason you sell out a mid to high 1st rounder plus?  To have the best possible QB in week 1 of the coming season?  Then CLE ought to send the 1.01 to the Bears for Cutler.
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If Cutler were 25 years old, yeah, in a heartbeat.

Maybe I should have been more specific...

The best QB week 1 2017 .... with the potential to be a franchise QB for the next 8-10 years.  

 
That argument makes no sense.. of course you sell out. You keep selling out or whatever until you get a QB. Hopefully you pick better than the Rams but any NFL team should be desperate for a good to great QB.

 
AngryPatriot said:
That argument makes no sense.. of course you sell out. You keep selling out or whatever until you get a QB. Hopefully you pick better than the Rams but any NFL team should be desperate for a good to great QB.
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So the Browns should sign a couple QBs and draft about 10 others?

 
Blending news from the past week, it sounds like the Pats received 1-2 offers for JG. It also appears NE wants a 1st and a 2nd in exchange for Garoppolo. The offers so far haven't approached that, which in turn would mean JG would be back in the fold for 2017.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Blending news from the past week, it sounds like the Pats received 1-2 offers for JG. It also appears NE wants a 1st and a 2nd in exchange for Garoppolo. The offers so far haven't approached that, which in turn would mean JG would be back in the fold for 2017.
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I think the issue is this time of year almost any "leak" or statement is floated for a reason. This is the period of misinformation for the most part. Obviously I do think the Pats would like to move him without giving him away - but I don't think we can really take anything from the actual numbers (picks) being floated around.

 
If you took the cynical position that

  • the Patriots were trying to drum up interest for their backup QB
  • create a market where there was not one
  • were not finding any bites on their fishing line
then nothing that has transpired would suggest you were incorrect.  

 
ghostguy123 said:
So are they looking for a 1st and 2nd as in picks 1/33 or 32/64?  One of these is not like the other.  
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They definitely should trade him for picks 32 and 64.

Kidding of course, but I'd guess a mid 1st would do it.  The 12 by itself is more than they'll probably get. 

 
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