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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
welcome to the whipsaw overreaction thread. first SF were morons for doing this trade, now NE were morons for doing this trade. bunch of old hens clucking in the chicken coop.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I remember it well.
i also remember Bledsoe being so solid before getting hurt that I was able to take Brady in the 7th round the next year because everyone thought he was a system QB who benefitted from the team and coaching rather than his own skill set.
man - amazing to think that one spear to Bledsoe’s chest changed history for the NFL.
And on terrible call (the Tuck Rule) perhaps equally so.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
You never know...and if that is the case it is what it is (as BB would say)...nothing lasts forever but this run is lasting far longer than any Patriot fan could have hoped for and they are going to contend for another title or two before it is over...
What if he doesn't struggle?Which will tell you what? That a team with few offensive pieces struggles against the #1 pass defense & one of the top defenses in the NFL?
Not sure what your point is here. If Garapolo struggles against Jacksonville he sucks?
Boston
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Then he’s THE MAN!What if he doesn't struggle?
Why is this a question? If Garapolo struggles against JAX then he’ll do what’s expected.
If Garapolo excels then he’ll dramatically exceed expectations.
If someone jumps into a vat of razor blades, you’d expect him to get cut to ribbons.
If they emerge without so much as a nick, you’re impressed & surprised.
I'm a 49ers fan who is interested to see how he does against the league's best pass defense. Your concern with my post is bizarre.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Nick Foles looked like a HOFer a few years ago with 28 tds / 2 ints, then he sucked, now he unsucks again. People are quick to judge.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not concerned in the slightest.
Just responding to your posts. It seemed as though you were initially suggesting that if he struggled vs a really good pass defense that it would somehow devalidate him.
Perhaps I misunderstood. My bad. I think we’re both on the same page then.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Great question...my Crystal ball is broken right now....if I'm John lynch I keep him and see...qb is the hardest thing to get....
Scooby1974
Footballguy
And what if they didn't end up in the top 2 to get one of the top QBs? What if there was a clear drop off from 1 to 2 after the combine? Then they would be looking at multiple first round picks + like it cost Philly. On top of that, they risk investing in a very young player IN HOPES that he pans out rather than turning into a David Carr or Todd Marrinovich.Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?
because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF.
Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs.
The ONLY way this busts the Niners is if JG signs with someone else after next year (they will franchise him if he fails to sign a long term deal)
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Well, with the equivalent of you, me, and Goodwin (pronounced Gooooood-win) at Wide Receiver and Hot Sauce Guy's little brother at TE, I don't give JG much hope. You know, given the Jags are putting up HISTORIC NUMBERS.
Next year after they actually find a starting WR and some linemen...that could be a different story.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The funny part is going to be when the Niners are stuck franchising JG in 2018, then the Pats win the super bowl that year and Brady rides off into the sunset and then JG resigns with the Pats for 2019.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
There was a different thread, and there were a quite of few vocal people that called the 49er's morons right after the trade.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh - I loved the move. So did all my friends. My texts blew up that day. Even my raider fan Niners haters friends called to say it was a good move. That’s when you know it’s good.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep. But while he's been great again this year, I think we've started to see a bit of a slip. Not a lot and he's still easily among the best this year, but I'd be really surprised if he's still playing well in 2019. That's really ####### impressive of course.
Yep. Barkley could slip to them (although I'd still keep Hyde), or they can probably get the wr of their choice to help Jimmy. Or maybe help their dl or secondary.Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?
because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF.
Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs.
Scooby beat me to it, but yeah. Fisher.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
5 seems likely for Barkley - I wouldn’t want them to take a running back in the first round though.
they need a replacement for Staley, WR help, & as you mentioned, DB help.
IMO RB is the last thing they need to address - Hyde is certainly serviceable & downright a quality option with a good run blocking offense of line, which the 49ers do not have. They can always grab a RB In the third or fourth round to get a plodding bruiser, which would be a nice complement to what Hyde brings.
A lot of mocks have Niners taking Barkley - but this is a HC / OC who seems to like role-players. Niners need a short yardage guy & maybe a scat back for COP/receiving.
I would prefer they invest in protection for what is likely to be a 24 million dollar a year investment.
-OZ-
Footballguy
BPA out of receiver or OL. Honestly their DBs are pretty good if all are healthy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
True - a good pass rush will make them look better, too.
My hope is another Team wants Barkley so the Niners can trade down one or two spots like they did last year with Mitch & the Bears.
Stockpile a couple of picks along with the player they want anyway.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That's always the hope. Maybe Lynch will actually do what most of us wanted Robinson (Titans) to do last year. He certainly has been willing to move around so far.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
packer_junkie
Footballguy
I never said don't make the trade?? I think its a great trade.Hot Sauce Guy said:
I just think its funny the original plan as to sit him (and lose) But they were forced (kinda) to play him and now they keep winning.
You clearly don't get my point? Not a big deal. Moving on.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You knew huh? Oracle of Delphi is in da house.
Tell us who is going to be a great QB in the upcoming draft then toss out some lotto winners while yer at it.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Shush your moufmsudaisy26 said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
JG looks like a fairly legit QB. Not bad after coming to the team midseason and not exactly having good weapons around him. Too bad the Pats wouldnt trade him to the Browns.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I never said you said not to make the trade.
That wasn’t the original plan.
the original plan was to sit him so he didn’t get hurt in what’s essentially a throw-away season.
the Niners were never planning on tanking - that was a byproduct of having a crappy team. But those of us who are local know that they explicitly stated they didn’t want to risk injury after dealing a high 2nd round pick for him.
Clearly you didn’t have one. Enjoy your onward movement.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
They were going to spend that first rounder in some way, shape, or form on a QB so in reality they went from getting a (unproven) QB and a high second to a QB (who looks to be the answer) and a pretty high first.packer_junkie said:
packer_junkie
Footballguy
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Its really simple. Not sure what you have been arguing with me for?
Its awesome the 49ers got JG as cheap as they did and its awesome he's clearly shown he can be there next franchise qb.
It does however kind of stink that if they could have traded for him and held him out all year-- they could be picking 2nd or 3rd instead of 7th-10th.
Anyways, I'm moving on. Glad Jimmy G is good. NFL is better when the 49ers are good.
signed,
random packer fan & JG dynasty owner
No I did.I never said you said not to make the trade.
That wasn’t the original plan.
the original plan was to sit him so he didn’t get hurt in what’s essentially a throw-away season.
the Niners were never planning on tanking - that was a byproduct of having a crappy team. But those of us who are local know that they explicitly stated they didn’t want to risk injury after dealing a high 2nd round pick for him.
Clearly you didn’t have one. Enjoy your onward movement.
Its really simple. Not sure what you have been arguing with me for?
Its awesome the 49ers got JG as cheap as they did and its awesome he's clearly shown he can be there next franchise qb.
It does however kind of stink that if they could have traded for him and held him out all year-- they could be picking 2nd or 3rd instead of 7th-10th.
Anyways, I'm moving on. Glad Jimmy G is good. NFL is better when the 49ers are good.
signed,
random packer fan & JG dynasty owner
Short Corner
Footballguy
Life long niner fan here and I will take the present situation over what you described all day every day.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Good.
#7 can be a superstar too-- or you might be able to trade down.
Ill see myself out.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
It's all good man, appreciate your insight. Sometimes we miss each other in here not being able to "hear" tone and sarcasm.
peace
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not arguing with you.
you seemed to heavily imply that Garapolo winning games was hurting the 49ers. In fact, you continue to argue that in this very post.
I disagreed. I continue to disagree. I think it’s a misguided point.
Because unless they played Garapolo, they didn’t know if he was worth paying 24 million dollars.
Thus, without starting him, and his winning games (an unexpected or expected byproduct of starting him) they didn’t know if they’d need to spend their top draft pick on an unknown commodity at QB.
Why is this difficult? You’re arguing that they could have had their cake and eaten it too, which (no offense) is nonsense.
because they didn’t know what the cake they had was until they started him. Now that they know, they drop a few spots in the draft but have a franchise QB. A more than adequate trade-off.
signed,
logical football fan
lol
Bossman
Footballguy
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Didn't see what happened with the pick at the end of the first half, but this dude just put 200 passing yards on the Jax D in the first half.
Pay him. Draft his OL protector with the first rounder.
Pay him. Draft his OL protector with the first rounder.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Of course they’ll pay him. I’m just hoping they can work out a 5-year deal & avoid the franchise tag.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Scooby1974
Footballguy
That's what I meant by pay him ...long term, not franchise tag...they have clearly seen what they need to see.
Cleveland will burn their 1 on a developmental QB that they may or may not develop.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Still makes me cry they let him go so inexpensively. San Fran keeps winning and it won’t even be a high 2nd
