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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)

The youngsters forget that prior to Parcells coming on-board this was one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports...it has seen some real ugly days...as long as BB is in-charge I feel totally confident things will get figured out...once he is gone is when I will start to worry...
BB may retire when Brady retires. 

 
welcome to the whipsaw overreaction thread.  first SF were morons for doing this trade, now NE were morons for doing this trade.  bunch of old hens clucking in the chicken coop.

 
The youngsters forget that prior to Parcells coming on-board this was one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports...it has seen some real ugly days...as long as BB is in-charge I feel totally confident things will get figured out...once he is gone is when I will start to worry...
Oh I remember it well.

i also remember Bledsoe being so solid before getting hurt that I was able to take Brady in the 7th round the next year because everyone thought he was a system QB who benefitted from the team and coaching rather than his own skill set.

man - amazing to think that one spear to Bledsoe’s chest changed history for the NFL. 

And on terrible call (the Tuck Rule) perhaps equally so. 

 
BB may retire when Brady retires. 
You never know...and if that is the case it is what it is (as BB would say)...nothing lasts forever but this run is lasting far longer than any Patriot fan could have hoped for and they are going to contend for another title or two before it is over...

 
Which will tell you what? That a team with few offensive pieces struggles against the #1 pass defense & one of the top defenses in the NFL? 

Not sure what your point is here. If Garapolo struggles against Jacksonville he sucks?  :unsure:
What if he doesn't struggle?  :shrug:  

 
Oh I remember it well.

i also remember Bledsoe being so solid before getting hurt that I was able to take Brady in the 7th round the next year because everyone thought he was a system QB who benefitted from the team and coaching rather than his own skill set.

man - amazing to think that one spear to Bledsoe’s chest changed history for the NFL. 

And on terrible call (the Tuck Rule) perhaps equally so. 
Mo Lewis...changed history...another great moment in NY Jet history...

 
What if he doesn't struggle?  :shrug:  
Then he’s THE MAN! 

Why is this a question? If Garapolo struggles against JAX then he’ll do what’s expected. 

If Garapolo excels then he’ll dramatically exceed expectations. 

If someone jumps into a vat of razor blades, you’d expect him to get cut to ribbons. 

If they emerge without so much as a nick, you’re impressed & surprised.  

 
Then he’s THE MAN! 

Why is this a question? If Garapolo struggles against JAX then he’ll do what’s expected. 

If Garapolo excels then he’ll dramatically exceed expectations. 

If someone jumps into a vat of razor blades, you’d expect him to get cut to ribbons. 

If they emerge without so much as a nick, you’re impressed & surprised.  
:confused:  I'm a 49ers fan who is interested to see how he does against the league's best pass defense.  Your concern with my post is bizarre.

 
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As a dynasty owner I am excited at how well he has performed this early, but let's not put him in the hall quite yet.
Nick Foles looked like a HOFer a few years ago with 28 tds / 2 ints, then he sucked, now he unsucks again.  People are quick to judge.

 
:confused:  I'm a 49ers fan who is interested to see how he does against the league's best pass defense.  Your concern with my post is bizarre.
I’m not concerned in the slightest. 

Just responding to your posts. It seemed as though you were initially suggesting that if he struggled vs a really good pass defense that it would somehow devalidate him. 

Perhaps I misunderstood. My bad. I think we’re both on the same page then. 

 
@bicycle_seat_sniffer

How many games before we're 80% confident he's the real deal (let's define that as playoff caliber QB?  I know some guys like Winston look like the real deal and regress, but when did you know with Manning, River, Big Ben, Flacco, etc?  Does the lack of a high acquisition cost increase the sample size needed?  Let's say for fantasy purposes, how many games before you part with a pick equivalent to next year's 1st/2nd QB off the board?
Great question...my Crystal ball is broken right now....if I'm John lynch I keep him and see...qb is the hardest thing to get....

 
Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?

because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF. 

Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs. 

:shrug:
And what if they didn't end up in the top 2 to get one of the top QBs? What if there was a clear drop off from 1 to 2 after the combine? Then they would be looking at multiple first round picks + like it cost Philly. On top of that, they risk investing in a very young player IN HOPES that he pans out rather than turning into a David Carr or Todd Marrinovich.

The ONLY way this busts the Niners is if JG signs with someone else after next year (they will franchise him if he fails to sign a long term deal)

 
Let's see what the kid has against the Jaguars pass defense next game.
Well, with the equivalent of you, me, and Goodwin (pronounced Gooooood-win) at Wide Receiver and Hot Sauce Guy's little brother at TE, I don't give JG much hope. You know, given the Jags are putting up HISTORIC NUMBERS.

Next year after they actually find a starting WR and some linemen...that could be a different story.

 
I bet NE wishes they had kept JG.
The funny part is going to be when the Niners are stuck franchising JG in 2018, then the Pats win the super bowl that year and Brady rides off into the sunset and then JG resigns with the Pats for 2019.

 
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There was a different thread, and there were a quite of few vocal people that called the 49er's morons right after the trade.
Oh - I loved the move. So did all my friends. My texts blew up that day. Even my raider fan Niners haters friends called to say it was a good move. That’s when you know it’s good. :lol:  

 
Not gonna happen...they will ride Brady out until he actually drops and hopefully there is another Super Bowl or two that comes with it...while I usually agree with the year to early scenario (and BB has mastered it) this is the one and only exception and I honestly don't care if it means a couple of tough years after it is over...I don't ever want to see Brady in another uni and while I am a big Jimmy G fan I trust BB can dig up a legit QB when it is time...
Yep. But while he's been great again this year, I think we've started to see a bit of a slip. Not a lot and he's still easily among the best this year, but I'd be really surprised if he's still playing well in 2019. That's really ####### impressive of course. 

Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?

because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF. 

Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs. 

:shrug:
Yep. Barkley could slip to them (although I'd still keep Hyde), or they can probably get the wr of their choice to help Jimmy. Or maybe help their dl or secondary.

Stats show Nick foles has been pretty good qbr wise unless Jeff Fisher is his hc
Scooby beat me to it, but yeah. Fisher. 

 
The funny part is going to be when the Niners are stuck franchising JG in 2018, then the Pats win the super bowl that year and Brady rides off into the sunset and then JG resigns with the Pats for 2019.
That's not going to happen.  If JG proves himself he will get paid.

 
Yep. Barkley could slip to them (although I'd still keep Hyde), or they can probably get the wr of their choice to help Jimmy. Or maybe help their dl or secondary
5 seems likely for Barkley - I wouldn’t want them to take a  running back in the first round though.

they need a replacement for Staley, WR help, & as you mentioned, DB help. 

IMO RB is the last thing they need to address - Hyde is certainly serviceable &  downright a quality option with a good run blocking offense of line, which the 49ers do not have. They can always grab a RB  In the third or fourth round to get a plodding bruiser, which would be a nice  complement to what Hyde brings. 

A lot of mocks have Niners taking Barkley - but this is a HC / OC who seems to like role-players. Niners need a short yardage guy &  maybe a scat back for COP/receiving. 

I would prefer they invest in protection for what is likely to be a 24 million dollar a year investment. 

 
5 seems likely for Barkley - I wouldn’t want them to take a  running back in the first round though.

they need a replacement for Staley, WR help, & as you mentioned, DB help. 

IMO RB is the last thing they need to address - Hyde is certainly serviceable &  downright a quality option with a good run blocking offense of line, which the 49ers do not have. They can always grab a RB  In the third or fourth round to get a plodding bruiser, which would be a nice  complement to what Hyde brings. 

A lot of mocks have Niners taking Barkley - but this is a HC / OC who seems to like role-players. Niners need a short yardage guy &  maybe a scat back for COP/receiving. 

I would prefer they invest in protection for what is likely to be a 24 million dollar a year investment. 
BPA out of receiver or OL. Honestly their DBs are pretty good if all are healthy.

 
BPA out of receiver or OL. Honestly their DBs are pretty good if all are healthy.
True - a good pass rush will make them look better, too. 

 My hope is  another Team wants Barkley  so the Niners can trade down one or two spots like they did last year with Mitch & the Bears. 

Stockpile a couple of picks along with the player they want anyway. 

 
True - a good pass rush will make them look better, too. 

 My hope is  another Team wants Barkley  so the Niners can trade down one or two spots like they did last year with Mitch & the Bears. 

Stockpile a couple of picks along with the player they want anyway. 
That's always the hope. Maybe Lynch will actually do what most of us wanted Robinson (Titans) to do last year. He certainly has been willing to move around so far.

 
SproutDaddy said:
Steve McNair?
It's a bad sign when you have to go back 12-20 years to find a QB he didn't ruin. Air's last couple years in Tennessee weren't good either. 

Almost makes you wonder if Vince Young could have been good.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
They likely would have traded their top 3 pick. Had they not obtained Garapolo they would have undoubtedly won 1, maybe 2 games.

so yeah - they drop off a few draft spots but they spent a 2nd for a semi-known commodity with huge upside instead of spending it on a college maybe. 

IMO thats a trade-off they’d make 99/100 times. 

Anyone expect any QB of the 2018 draft class to be as good or better than JimmyG? 
I never said don't make the trade?? I think its a great trade.

I just think its funny the original plan as to sit him (and lose) But they were forced (kinda) to play him and now they keep winning.

You clearly don't get my point? Not a big deal. Moving on. 

 
JG undefeated as a 49er .. 3-0

JG undefeated as a starter 5-0

... and he has looked danmed good doing it.

All you doubters still think he wasn't worth a 1st and 4th?

He basically turned a cupcake of a franchise into a juggernaut. Single handedly.

Realistically it's going to take a miracle for SF to take down JAX or LAR, two of the top teams in the league  ... but there's a chance.

Hindsight ... JG was probably worth a 1st and 2nd ... or CLE's 1st overall (honestly, wouldn't CLE be better off with JG instead of Miles Garrett?)

.. but some already knew this.
You knew huh?  Oracle of Delphi is in da house.  

Tell us who is going to be a great QB in the upcoming draft then toss out some lotto winners while yer at it.

 
msudaisy26 said:
The funny part is going to be when the Niners are stuck franchising JG in 2018, then the Pats win the super bowl that year and Brady rides off into the sunset and then JG resigns with the Pats for 2019.
Shush your mouf

 
JG looks like a fairly legit QB.  Not bad after coming to the team midseason and not exactly having good weapons around him.  Too bad the Pats wouldnt trade him to the Browns.  

 
I never said don't make the trade?? I think its a great trade.
I never said you said not to make the trade.  :unsure:

I just think its funny the original plan as to sit him (and lose) But they were forced (kinda) to play him and now they keep winning.
That wasn’t the original plan. 

the original plan was to sit him so he didn’t get hurt in what’s essentially a throw-away season.

the Niners were never planning on tanking - that was a byproduct of having a crappy team. But those of us who are local know that they explicitly stated they didn’t want to risk injury after dealing a high 2nd round pick for him. 

You clearly don't get my point? Not a big deal. Moving on. 
Clearly you didn’t have one. Enjoy your onward movement. 

 
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packer_junkie said:
Funny think is JG winning isn't really helping SF.... They went from picking 2nd to picking 6-10th.
They were going to spend that first rounder in some way, shape, or form on a QB so in reality they went from getting a (unproven) QB and a high second to a QB (who looks to be the answer) and a pretty high first.

 
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I never said you said not to make the trade.  :unsure:

That wasn’t the original plan. 

the original plan was to sit him so he didn’t get hurt in what’s essentially a throw-away season.

the Niners were never planning on tanking - that was a byproduct of having a crappy team. But those of us who are local know that they explicitly stated they didn’t want to risk injury after dealing a high 2nd round pick for him. 

Clearly you didn’t have one. Enjoy your onward movement. 
No I did.

Its really simple. Not sure what you have been arguing with me for? 

Its awesome the 49ers got JG as cheap as they did and its awesome he's clearly shown he can be there next franchise qb.

It does however kind of stink that if they could have traded for him and held him out all year-- they could be picking 2nd or 3rd instead of 7th-10th.

Anyways, I'm moving on. Glad Jimmy G is good. NFL is better when the 49ers are good.

signed,

random packer fan & JG dynasty owner

 
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No I did.

Its really simple. Not sure what you have been arguing with me for? 

Its awesome the 49ers got JG as cheap as they did and its awesome he's clearly shown he can be there next franchise qb.

It does however kind of stink that if they could have traded for him and held him out all year-- they could be picking 2nd or 3rd instead of 7th-10th.

Anyways, I'm moving on. Glad Jimmy G is good. NFL is better when the 49ers are good.

signed,

random packer fan & JG dynasty owner
Life long niner fan here and I will take the present situation over what you described all day every day.

 
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No I did.

Its really simple. Not sure what you have been arguing with me for? 

Its awesome the 49ers got JG as cheap as they did and its awesome he's clearly shown he can be there next franchise qb.

It does however kind of stink that if they could have traded for him and held him out all year-- they could be picking 2nd or 3rd instead of 7th-10th.

Anyways, I'm moving on. Glad Jimmy G is good. NFL is better when the 49ers are good.

signed,

random packer fan & JG dynasty owner
I’m not arguing with you.

you seemed to heavily imply that Garapolo winning games was hurting the 49ers.  In fact, you continue to argue that in this very post. 

I disagreed. I continue to disagree. I think it’s a misguided point. 

Because unless they played Garapolo, they didn’t know if he was worth paying 24 million dollars. 

Thus, without starting him, and his winning games (an unexpected or expected byproduct of starting him) they didn’t know if they’d need to spend their top draft pick on an unknown commodity at QB. 

Why is this difficult? You’re arguing that they could have had their cake and eaten it too, which (no offense) is nonsense.

because they didn’t know what the cake they had was until they started him. Now that they know, they drop a few spots in the draft but have a franchise QB. A more than adequate trade-off.

signed,

logical football fan

lol

 
You knew huh?  Oracle of Delphi is in da house.  

Tell us who is going to be a great QB in the upcoming draft then toss out some lotto winners while yer at it.


Um, yeah ... pretty much.

Indeed.

For those that have not watched Garopollo play in preseasons the last 2 years and a game and a half of regular season this year... he looks like a Brady clone. Which is why many Patriot fans are clamoring for the team to keep him.

Calm in the pocket, goes thru reads quickly and gets rid of the ball. Strong enough arm and accurate. More mobile than Brady (not saying much) but he has decent wheels.

but it's not a question of "if" the Pats will trade him, the question is "which team" the Pats would be willing to trade him to.

 If you are the Browns or 49ers, would you rather have a rookie that needs to be groomed for a year or two .... or a plug and play guy that has proven that he has the tools and that he gets it.

As a coach that has only 2 or 3 years to prove himself before he gets the axe ... guess which guy he would prefer.

Now lets talk about who the Patriots should take with the 49ers 1st pick ...

They seem to be set at WR with Malcolm Mitchell and if they can resign Michael Floyd ...

I'm thinking STUD pass rushing DE/LB. 





 
Didn't see what happened with the pick at the end of the first half, but this dude just put 200 passing yards on the Jax D in the first half.

Pay him. Draft his OL protector with the first rounder.

 
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Didn't see what happened with the pick at the end of the first half, but this dude just put 200 passing yards on the Jax D in the first half.

Pay him. Draft his OL protector with the first rounder.
Of course they’ll pay him. I’m just hoping they can work out a 5-year deal & avoid the franchise tag.

 
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Of course they’ll pay him. I’m just hoping they can work out a 5-year deal be avoid the franchise tag.
That's what I meant by pay him ...long term, not franchise tag...they have clearly seen what they need to see.

Cleveland will burn their 1 on a developmental QB that they may or may not develop.

 

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