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Guys like Wentz, Mariotta, Winston, Goff, Prescott are expected by their teams to be franchise guys. Those teams are fine with them in the role for the next couple of years (or regime change). For all intents and purposes, they're "franchise" guys.
Agreed. Actually this whole thread is based on one Schefter quote "guessing" that it will take a 1st and a 4th for a team to get Garropolo, which is hardly "a bounty of high picks". Personally I wouldn't be shocked if a team pays a late first, but like you I think the price will turn out to be a 2nd and maybe a late pick, if anything else.
And even if he got a 1st and a 4th, how much more valuable are picks 32/97 than just pick 33?
I do not recall Garappolo being injured in training camp as a rookie. He played significant time in every pre-season game. He played in 45 games in college and did not get hurt. Between college and NE, he suffered one injury in four seasons of game time, and his shoulder injury likely would have kept him out 3-4 games. IMO, all the injury talk on him is unfounded.
Said before, but where he was drafted is the most irrelevant thing in this thread when it comes to what the Pats would accept for him.
People questioned why BB would trade Chandler Jones last year for a 2nd round pick and an offensive lineman that was hurt and never did much of anything. Hoodie traded that pick for 3rd and a 4th that netted the Pats OG Joe Thuney (who started every game this year) and WR Malcolm Mitchell (who showed a lot of promise this year.
A more relevant point would be what it would take for the Pats to replace him. They are not going to trade Garoppolo for a second rounder and then have to use that pick to select a QB and then have to teach him their system. Maybe they really do think Brissett is a capable back up, but I personally don't see him taking over for Brady once he's done.
The difference is risk. There's non zero chance (probably about a 50% chance - although I might be pessimistic) that, even without injury, the rams will need another qb in less than 5 years.
A player's value doesn't revolve around the draft capital it cost to acquire them or what a team has to do to replace them. If you think it does then look at all of the failed first round picks that have been traded away or let go for nothing then note the 1st round cost and how many draft picks it cost until a team eventually replaced the player.
Correct, though cost replacement MIGHT factor in to the minimum they are willing to let him go for.
We've had 25 pages and nobody has proven his value. What makes you think he's worth a top 11 pick?
Look at players like Paxton Lynch and Jared Goff selected in the first round of last year's draft. I could make the case that Garoppolo has looked much better than either of those 2 players based on on field performance this past year. Of course it's a very small sample size. Also look at the number of teams desperate for a QB and the number of viable QBs..... Garoppolo should fetch a first round pick based on the supply/demand curve.
Not only would a team be giving up the draft pick or picks they would also have to sign him to a long term contract which would be more than a rookie's. That first round pick is more valuable than Garoppolo.
I believe Garoppolo's true NFL value lies somewhere between that of Trubisky, and Mahomes.
Please explain how NE facilitates this in a financially sound way, working around the following parameters:
You make some valid points, Anarchy. I don't know if there is a viable way to keep him satisfied financially for another 3 years.
If you were Garoppolo, would you do that? You are then tied to NE for 3 years for $21 million (new $20 million added to remaining 1 year at $1 million), most likely still won't play much, still have no guarantee that Brady would be done playing, could be a back up for 6 years by the time your contract is up, and theoretically could have earned $10-15 million more over the same time frame if you got traded in the next two weeks.
Do I prefer getting 20 million with most guaranteed for two years as opposed to a million now and who knows what next year? Yes.
Not just financially but JG will want to be a starter somewhere. He wouldn't be willing to sign on as a backup regardless of the money.
What you're saying is logical. But if I'm an NFL caliber athlete, I'm competitive and confident enough to take the risk.
I guess you meant a 1 year, $19 million extension. Then NE would have him for 2 years for $20 million or 3 years and $45 million (if they franchise tag him for a third year).
so competitive and confident = stupid
You mean that is just how they have DONE things with NON QBs when Brady was not 40.
Except I doubt NE would go along with this option.It's bad business as far as BB would be concerned (having someone on the bench chewing up so much money and cap room). It might work for JG, but it doesn't work for NE. What would they get out it? They can keep Garoppolo for $1 million and then franchise him if they wanted . . . and the only way they would franchise him is if they plan on starting him the year he is franchised.
This is also the team that sent a 3 time pro bowl QB packing for Tom. granted, that worked really well.
Which is probably what they will do, I know.
BB will look at this and say that he could stock the depth of his roster with 8-10 guys with the $10 million he would blow on Garoppolo under your pay JG early model. And I really, really doubt they would take a $22 million cap hit on Brady and a $23 million franchise cap hit on Garoppolo at the same time. They just are not going to carry around $45 million in cap charges carrying two quarterbacks.
Probably not, but wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if they try working a deal with him. If they actually think he has a great shot to be a good QB, they certainly will inquire with his agent.
Brady and Garoppolo have the same agent, so I don't know if that makes things better or worse for Jimmy G. Saints coach Sean Payton also has the same agent, so there has been connect the dots speculation that JG could end up in NOS.
If it means they can't bring back a key guy, then sure, it wouldnt make sense for them to do that.
I think they were 8m under the cap to start 2015/16. Left them room to bring in mid-season acquisitions (Keshawn Martin, Akeem Hicks, M.Floyd).
C'mon. Get serious. I said the NFL is the consummate team game. No one-man-show can win because every passer needs a receiver. Every offense needs a defense. Every on-sides kick need a recoverer. I said nothing about "one HOF caliber player". Please show me how it's not a team game.you are making no sense. That has nothing to do with your original, false statement. I took you to school with your 'I've never seen team with just one HOF caliber player win the SB'. I give you Drew Brees and you go off on a tangent talking about an INT and an onside kick. Fact is there may be another HOF player on the 2009 Saints as well probably HOF players on the 2017 Pats (more so on their D). It's way to early to say there isn't. Your statement was a weak attempt to proclaim Brady a one man show and the only reason they won. Really weak actually.
Why would guys float this stuff out there and risk their reputations and jobs by putting out information with no basis in fact or reality?
