Spike
Footballguy
It's been widely reported that his account had been hacked. May be true; may not be true.
ETA - http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/10/jimmy-garoppolo-farewell-instagram-post
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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)
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ETA - http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/10/jimmy-garoppolo-farewell-instagram-post
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
I call BS.
I don't think JG has reached "hack my twitter" celebrity status just yet.
I stand by my theory.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
They don't have leverage because no one will give them what they want. His account was either hacked or a close friend got into his account and posted a trade is imminent. Shefter reported as much and said JG isn't going anywhere. Wouldn't be the last time Shefter was wrong however.
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Again I don't see how this trade doesn't happen....But If it doesn't it is because Cleveland doesn't want to pay the price, not because New England doesn't want to trade him....
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Bracie Smathers
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Cian Fahey[SIZE=.9em]Verified account[/SIZE] @Cianaf 21h21 hours ago
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Is there anyone reporting the Browns want Garoppolo? Seems everyone is saying "they might be interested."
Ryan Burns@FtblSickness 4h4 hours ago
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Ryan Burns Retweeted Gronk da GOAT
The Browns haven't OFFERED 12 and yes, he's pretty obviously worth more to Bill than anyone else.
Ryan Burns added,
Gronk da GOAT @Grxnkii
@FtblSickness @Shuebacca_ and if Bill won't take the Browns first round 12 then he's obviously worth something
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Is there anyone reporting the Browns want Garoppolo? Seems everyone is saying "they might be interested."
Ryan Burns
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Ryan Burns Retweeted Gronk da GOAT
The Browns haven't OFFERED 12 and yes, he's pretty obviously worth more to Bill than anyone else.
Ryan Burns added,
Gronk da GOAT @Grxnkii
bostonfred
Footballguy
What are you talking about? If JG wants to start somewhere, the Patriots control where he can go among interested suitors. Right now the most publicly known suitor is Cleveland with Houston as a possibility. There's a very real chance JG doesn't want to go to Cleveland. If the pats want to work on an extension with him, this is their best leverage. I don't understand how that's a remotely controversial point?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I was just referring to that I don't believe anyone will pay NE what they want for JG.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Appearing on 97.1 in Columbus, Ohio, ESPN's Adam Schefter said the Browns won't be acquiring Jimmy Garopppolo no matter what they offer the Patriots.
Schefter added it's not about the Browns' offer; it simply sounds like the Patriots intend to hold onto their promising backup. The Browns have been stockpiling draft picks, potentially as a way to seduce the Patriots into giving them Garoppolo, but it apparently isn't going to work. Another team that was interested in Garoppolo, the Bears, have already moved onto Mike Glennon as their starter. The Browns will need to explore other avenues in their quest for a franchise passer.
Schefter added it's not about the Browns' offer; it simply sounds like the Patriots intend to hold onto their promising backup. The Browns have been stockpiling draft picks, potentially as a way to seduce the Patriots into giving them Garoppolo, but it apparently isn't going to work. Another team that was interested in Garoppolo, the Bears, have already moved onto Mike Glennon as their starter. The Browns will need to explore other avenues in their quest for a franchise passer.
Boston
Footballguy
At this point I really don't care either way...short-term both scenarios work out...trade him for some good picks and you add to the team...keep him and you have a QB that I could not be more comfortable with should Brady get hurt (God-forbid)...I think they are still very legit contenders with him...either way works out for the Pats in 2017...
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I completely agree. This is a win-win for New England. I think it would be wise to resist temptation, and keep JG as the heir apparent.
Boston
Footballguy
The beauty (and I will gladly admit it) is whatever BB does I will say it is the right move...
Thunderlips
Footballguy
At least all the Jimmy Garoppobros in New England will be happy he's staying.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
.....and they don't get squat for him when he signs where he wants to sign in 2018. He's not going to resign with NE if Brady plays another 3 years or more. He will take the money and starting gig elsewhere in 2018 unless Brady hangs up the cleats after 2017.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
To come full circle, this is where things get dicey. If Brady plays as long as he wants to play at a Top 10 QB level (a debate in its own right), then keeping JG as an heir apparent has a ton of obstacles (and why we are at 35 pages and counting in this thread). Garoppolo is not going want to stay in NE as a backup at backup money. If they keep him, they have him for one year. Then what? Assuming Brady is healthy and still playing well (not necessarily elite), franchise JG and take a $45 million cap hit between TB and JG for 2018?
Then what? Franchise JG and take a $50 million cap hit for 2019? That's why people are suggesting that NE needs to offload Garoppolo now while they can get a king's ransom. If Garoppolo has even a few brain cells, he will want to be a starter and get starter's money. If he stays in NE for 2017, that will make 4 years as a back up and low dollars. How much longer will he want to just watch from the sidelines?
The saying that this town isn't big enough for the both of us holds true. At some point the Pats will have to keep one or the other between TB and JG. How long they keep both becomes a difficult task.
Boston
Footballguy
Casting Couch
Footballguy
The only way I see this as a loss for New England is if BB decides to accept a package of picks which do not include either the #12 or Cleveland's first round pick in 2018.
Boston
Footballguy
As long as Jimmy G doesn't make any "noise" (and I don't picture that happening) this will work itself out...gotta believe the fact that Yee represents TB and Jimmy G means that these guys probably have somewhat of a clue as to what is really going on...
Exactly. For all we know, William already knows what Brady intends to do. Also, Belicheck has moved on from EVERYONE. I know we all think Brady is the exception, but (1) he plays for under market value, and (2) he has always been in top 5 form. If in 2017 #2 changes, I would almost expect BB to move on, regardless of how much longer Brady wants to play.
Finally, there are a ton of teams with a ton of space left...there will be many suitors for a mid-season trade. Personally, I think it is smart to hold onto him, and then move him in mid-year for a 2018 pick...gets you more time to see how Brady is aging.
Bossman
Footballguy
Wow ... not sure what Schefter did to deserve it but someone from the Patriots is feeding him a turd sandwich. Was Schefter one of the media that fuled the deflategate fire?
After the trade for JG is announced I'm sure Schefter will cover his butt with the line "I was told there was no chance the Patriots would trade him ... but in the end, the offer was too good to refuse."
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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Bossman
Footballguy
I'll take good old common sense over what Schefter is reporting.
People say "Patriots should just keep him ... figure out a way".
Someone please explain how the Patriots can keep him until Brady retires.
No one has been able to do that. After next year, can't sign him because he wouldn't sign to be a backup ... and tag would be too much $$$.
So that is out.
Keep him as Brady insurance?
Why? Does Brady miss a lot of time due to injury?
You would sacrifice 2 or 3 premium rookies at other positions .... for one year of insurance that you will likely never need?
What are the odds they need JG to play ... and his play will be the difference in them winning a superbowl. 2%? You give up 2 or 3 high picks for 2%?
Either scenario makes no sense. Someone please enlighten me.
People say "Patriots should just keep him ... figure out a way".
Someone please explain how the Patriots can keep him until Brady retires.
No one has been able to do that. After next year, can't sign him because he wouldn't sign to be a backup ... and tag would be too much $$$.
So that is out.
Keep him as Brady insurance?
Why? Does Brady miss a lot of time due to injury?
You would sacrifice 2 or 3 premium rookies at other positions .... for one year of insurance that you will likely never need?
What are the odds they need JG to play ... and his play will be the difference in them winning a superbowl. 2%? You give up 2 or 3 high picks for 2%?
Either scenario makes no sense. Someone please enlighten me.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
QBs fall off a cliff quickly, and when this happens to Brady, I don't want to be unprepared with Brissett holding the keys to the NEP future. Thinking long term, and assuming JG "could" be the next franchise QB, having the luxury of a seamless transition from Brady to JG is the smart move here. There have been a number of first round busts from Belichick over the years, so why risk this smooth transition at the most important position on the field when we all know that franchise QBs are absolute GOLD and very hard to find. If they can figure out dollars, and cap issues, then keeping JG is the right move in my opinion.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The simple solution / explanation is they decide to keep Garoppolo over Brady and the plan is not to keep Garoppolo around just for insurance. This could occur for any number of reasons (Brady gets hurt, Brady loses productivity, they don't want to pay two guys big money, Garoppolo outplays Brady in practice, JG might cost less, a combination of those, etc.). Many people are assuming that the default position is they keep Brady and Garoppolo is the odd man out. If NE really turns down an insane bounty of a trade offer for Garoppolo, I would not want to be in Brady's shoes. Brady should be overjoyed if they trade Garoppolo. He DEFINITELY has to view JG as a threat to his job.
Brady keeps saying he wants to play 3-5 more years. People are quick to want to point to say JG is out until Brady retires. But it remains to be seen if those 3-5 years will be with the Patriots. Maybe that's the plan . . . or maybe that's just talk. Maybe the real plan is he only plays one or two more years. We have no idea of the inner workings and specifics of any of this. After next year, if Brady and Garoppolo are considered equal, it makes more long-term sense to keep a a 26 year old over a 41 year old and maybe they opt to move on from Brady (as shocking as that may seem). BB would trade his mother if it helped the team.
I don't think it is unreasonable that the Pats give Brady 1-2 years to win a 6th ring and then they give Brady the option to retire or get moved. And yes, I think BB would do the unthinkable and pay BOTH GUYS high end starter money for 2018 if the plan is to start JG in 2019 come hell or high water. He'd figure out a way to deal with Bray's cap number and the franchise tag for Garoppolo in the same season.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
They aren't getting 3 high picks for their backup QB. They might get a 2nd and maybe a 4th.
Bossman
Footballguy
This is the best logic so far.
Just seems like Belechick / Patriots are gambling that Brady only plays one or two more seasons at a high level.
If I were a betting man, ...which I am, I would bet Brady plays well longer than that.
Bradys father has said "It will end badly in NE." .... meaning Brady will not quit and will need to be benched / traded.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-bradys-dad-it-will-end-badly-in-new-england/
Trade JG, load up with young stud rookies, and stomp the snot out of the NFL for Bradys last 4 years.
Draft another QB stud in the second round that other teams don't appreciate. He'll be ready to go in 4 years.
bostonfred
Footballguy
It's possible - not probable - that JG is open to signing an extension for less than starter money with new England instead of going to Cleveland. He'd make less in years 2 and 3, but he's not getting injured as a backup and he's not likely to lose his chance to start. Go to Cleveland and you definitely get a nice contract now, but if things flame out as they tend to do in Cleveland, you're not going to get as much in years 4-10.
Everyone assumes jg is forcing the issue here and that is probably true, but I'm sure the Patriots have mentioned that getting 20+ million to stay on as backup/ heir apparent in a system you know, work with top coaches and good talent and a lot of veterans would put him in a great spot a few years from now if he stayed.
Everyone assumes jg is forcing the issue here and that is probably true, but I'm sure the Patriots have mentioned that getting 20+ million to stay on as backup/ heir apparent in a system you know, work with top coaches and good talent and a lot of veterans would put him in a great spot a few years from now if he stayed.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Again, we are going in a circle. JG has been a back up for three years. He wouldn't start in NE in 2017. That makes four years. If Brady plays another two years, that would make six years. How long do you think he would be willing to just sit around? In those three years, he could have made $50+ million signing someplace else. What are people suggesting his hometown discount should be to hang around for Brady to retire if he could get $15-18M a year with a ton guaranteed from another team?
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
If JG doesn't possess the drive to want to be a starting QB until possibly year 2021 ... when he could be starting somewhere in 2018 (becomes a free agent) ... then I'm not sure he's your guy anyway. And guess what ... he's about to be a free agent again at that point.
Could you imagine Brady sitting behind Bledsoe for 4 years and then choosing to sign on to remain his backup for 3 or 4 more years?
... or would Brady left the Patriots as a free agent after that first 4 years to start for another team ... knowing he would be the starter.
If JG is allowed to get to free agency after this season he's as good as gone.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Or maybe, just maybe, the Pats are waiting until free agency is over to see if they have enough cap room to sign JG to something like a 1 year extension to spread out whatever cap hit he would have had if they had to franchise him next year.
If the Pats end up with 20-25 million in cap space before the draft, I could see this happen easily (assuming they really like him of course).
All this "Pats wont trade him no matter what they are offered" crap is just that, crap. It's not even the middle of March. There would be no reason to trade him for another month and a half anyway, so why not put that out there.
It's like the idiots in my fantasy leagues who put a guy on the block in february and take the best offer they get that week, which always ends up being some bad trade for them.
If I am JG, I can see the appeal of signing a 1 year extension for decent money in hopes of staying and playing with the Hoodie
If the Pats end up with 20-25 million in cap space before the draft, I could see this happen easily (assuming they really like him of course).
All this "Pats wont trade him no matter what they are offered" crap is just that, crap. It's not even the middle of March. There would be no reason to trade him for another month and a half anyway, so why not put that out there.
It's like the idiots in my fantasy leagues who put a guy on the block in february and take the best offer they get that week, which always ends up being some bad trade for them.
If I am JG, I can see the appeal of signing a 1 year extension for decent money in hopes of staying and playing with the Hoodie
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
As I mentioned earlier, you and the rest of free society is just assuming that Brady is 100% a lock to be the QB for 3-5 years like he keeps telling everyone. That doesn't mean that is the plan that the Patriots have. Maybe NE plans to start Brady for 2017 and see how he does with 2018 a competition to see who is better, Brady or Garoppolo. Brady can't play at this level forever, and if it comes down to two guys that are equal and one is 15 years younger, it makes way more sense to keep the younger guy. I am not saying that is the case, but it would be very Belichickian to view things that way.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I still don't see the logic in this from NE's side. Why pay money for nothing for a guy that probably won't even play this year. They aren't going to have anywhere near the cap space left that you are hypothesizing. They still need to sign Hightower and work out something with Butler (or spend the money to replace them). If they really end up with a surplus of cap room, they could always do the extension option late in the season and reconfigure the cap hits for each year. That way they can see the following: if Brady still has it, if Brady is still healthy, and if Garoppolo has to play again is he as good as he was in his brief stint this year. If he gets in and looks mediocre, then they just saved a ton of money by not paying him early. BB has a track record of not extending guys until the last minute, if at all.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
If you think they guy is going to be a really good QB, and your current QB is 40, that is all the logic you need.
Again, it just depends how the rest of FA plays out also, like I said. They might not even resign Hightower.
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Bossman
Footballguy
I'm not really digging the Cooks trade.
Giving up the 1.32 for a WR that may not even be able to grasp the Pats playbook.
I would have much rather seen them draft one of the stud rookie TE's there ... or even best available MLB.
They now have no picks in the 1st or 2nd round. Their 1st pick isn't until #72.
Please trade Garappolo.
Giving up the 1.32 for a WR that may not even be able to grasp the Pats playbook.
I would have much rather seen them draft one of the stud rookie TE's there ... or even best available MLB.
They now have no picks in the 1st or 2nd round. Their 1st pick isn't until #72.
Please trade Garappolo.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Really?! lol... THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL!
They are not done making moves but have killed it so far..... added depth at CB and TE as Bennett left (Butler might be back at least for a year, we'll see). Strengthened the Def line (Guy and Ealy/ signed Branch) and added one of the best WR's in the league who is 23 or something? A guy who is only bested by Beckham and Brown in rec/yds/ TD's in the last 2 years....A rookie should have a harder time adjusting than a guy who has played with Brees, I wouldn't worry about that. Bellichick likes him and got him. Hightower is in play. Blount is in play. And.. WE WON THE SUPER BOWL!
They are not done making moves but have killed it so far..... added depth at CB and TE as Bennett left (Butler might be back at least for a year, we'll see). Strengthened the Def line (Guy and Ealy/ signed Branch) and added one of the best WR's in the league who is 23 or something? A guy who is only bested by Beckham and Brown in rec/yds/ TD's in the last 2 years....A rookie should have a harder time adjusting than a guy who has played with Brees, I wouldn't worry about that. Bellichick likes him and got him. Hightower is in play. Blount is in play. And.. WE WON THE SUPER BOWL!
flapgreen
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I love the Cooks trade. I think theyre gonna revamp their offense around him.
Bossman
Footballguy
Never said any of the other moves weren't great. Just don't like the Cooks trade.Really?! lol... THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL!
They are not done making moves but have killed it so far..... added depth at CB and TE as Bennett left (Butler might be back at least for a year, we'll see). Strengthened the Def line (Guy and Ealy/ signed Branch) and added one of the best WR's in the league who is 23 or something? A guy who is only bested by Beckham and Brown in rec/yds/ TD's in the last 2 years....A rookie should have a harder time adjusting than a guy who has played with Brees, I wouldn't worry about that. Bellichick likes him and got him. Hightower is in play. Blount is in play. And.. WE WON THE SUPER BOWL!
What does that have to do with them winning a SB last year?
Maybe your new to the fan club ... but the Pats are notorious for bringing in WR's that just can't figure out the offense.
Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Reggie Wayne, Josh Boyce, Chad Ochocinco, Aaron Dobson,
I think they were already in great shape at WR ... and you can only have 5 eligible rec on the feild at once...
J. White, Gronk, Edleman, Hogan, Mitchell .... which one of these guys do you want to take off the field to play Cooks?
Gandalf
Footballguy
You know. I had this thought too about the Cooks trade. Maybe it would be better to keep the 1st rounder. And there is a reason NO is trading him...
-OZ-
Footballguy
Assuming Gronk is healthy, Mitchell and Hogan rotate. Tom should have fun with his best group of receivers (probably, 2007 comes close) in his career.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Hogan and Mitchell can both sit right on down for Cooks.
What is the likelihood that all of those guys get thru a season uninjured? If you don't like the price it took to get Cooks that is certainly debatable but there is no arguing the value he will add to the offense. They haven't had a wr of his ilk since Moss as far as stretching the defense. Personally I love the move as it is a "go for it now" move IMO of which the Pats almost never do. Also with them out of early round picks I would say it's now a near certainty JG is moved to recoup some of those.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
WHy are some Pats people worried about their lack of picks in the top 2 rounds?? They used them for players. The picks became the players.
I highly doubt BB is worrying about the lack of picks. Pretty sure he knew that would be the case when he made the deal.
Also, IMO, this has nothing to do with JG. Trading for Cooks, IMO, does nothing to increase how much the Pats want to trade JG to "recoup picks".
I highly doubt BB is worrying about the lack of picks. Pretty sure he knew that would be the case when he made the deal.
Also, IMO, this has nothing to do with JG. Trading for Cooks, IMO, does nothing to increase how much the Pats want to trade JG to "recoup picks".
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Moss was 2007, and Brady wasn't 39 then. This last year he had a great YPA, but it has been in the high 6 to mid 7 range for the past 4-5 years previous. Most believe that he doesn't have the deep arm, or the offense doesn't use the deep play, to get the ball out of his hands quickly. I'm not sure how much of an impact Cooks will have, FF-speaking. What he can/will do, IMO, is loosen up the D, making more room underneath.
