Peter King speculates on Manning's readiness for Week 1... (1 Viewer)

[TheDirtyWord]

Link is below, but given the initial timeline of 4-6 weeks (we're at Week 5 with no sign of Manning), the notion that this injury will potentially hasten a bone-on-bone condition in that knee, the fact that he's building up strength in the leg as we speak...

This is probably a case of worrying in August when you shouldn't...but King seems to have done at least the best recon on the mystery surrounding this Manning story thus far and Dungy is now allowing for the possibility that Manning could miss a game or two and playing the "it's up to the doctors" card.

Is he foreshadowing what we might be talking about in two weeks? I don't think the other player who had this surgery on the Colts has started practicing yet and his procedure was two weeks earlier than Manning's.

But here we are 3 weeks prior to the start of the season and Manning isn't just being coddled, he's still out.

What Defcon level should Manning owners (or by association; Addai, Wayne, Harrison, Clark owners) be at right now?

Peter King MMQB Column 8/18

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Talk about speculation.....geez

 

[Muahahaha]

I honestly have downgraded all Colts because of this. Last year, Addai and Wayne handed me the championship. I won't touch them this year. I usually try to hang my hat with the top offenses and let them lead me to a championship. But Peyton not practicing and not showing up in public? Very, very bad vibes. My spider sense is pushing me to other players in the same tiers.

I am actually shocked that this isn't being discussed more. Peyton is the heart and soul of that offense. Affects not only him, but the entire offense, all of whom would be mediocre at best on another team. I am not spending a 1st or 2nd round pick on a Sorgi-led offense.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Every update I've gotten about Manning says he's fine and should be ready.

He'll be a little out of sync in the 1st game, maybe the 2nd... but hes still Peyton Manning. He won't miss a start, he'll still post up about 4000 yds and atleast 25 TDs. No Worries.

He had the Surgery on July 14th, by my count... that gives him about 7 weeks before the season... he should be ready next Monday.

It would ease everyone if we got a week of practice, maybe a series or 2 in the final pre-season game.

(TheHuddle) The Indianapolis Star reports Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy said QB Peyton Manning (knee) is on schedule in his recovery from knee surgery. When training camp breaks Friday, Aug. 15, Manning will have missed 25 full-squad workouts. Dungy said Manning is rehabbing his knee, regaining range of motion and doing everything they are asking of him. 'He's throwing some. He's lifting. He's staying active. At some point he'll get the OK (to practice),' Dungy said.

Analysis: All indications still point to Manning being in the starting lineup when the bullets start flying for real. Other than the rust he's probably accumulated during his downtime, there should be no other factors to keep you from drafting him where you originally intended.

(Rotoworld) Coach Tony Dungy reiterated Thursday that Peyton Manning (knee) is on track for the Colts' regular season opener against Chicago.

Analysis: "He's doing exactly what we thought he would," Dungy said. "As far as being on target and having no setbacks, he's doing just fine." The Colts' first three real games will be on turf in domes. After the Bears, the Colts head to Minnesota for Week 2. They host the Jaguars before their Week 4 bye.

 

[pantherclub]

Danny Wuerfull is going to explode this year, take it to the bank.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I think we should all remember that this is the same organization that kept on saying Marvin Harrison was questionable or probable for the entire season, after he got hurt. People joke about NE and their injury report, but IND showed last year that they were drinking from the same well when reporting injury information. So, take what Dungy and the others say with a grain of salt...believe it when you see it.

 

[pizzatyme]

I honestly have downgraded all Colts because of this. Last year, Addai and Wayne handed me the championship. I won't touch them this year. I usually try to hang my hat with the top offenses and let them lead me to a championship. But Peyton not practicing and not showing up in public? Very, very bad vibes. My spider sense is pushing me to other players in the same tiers.

I am actually shocked that this isn't being discussed more. Peyton is the heart and soul of that offense. Affects not only him, but the entire offense, all of whom would be mediocre at best on another team. I am not spending a 1st or 2nd round pick on a Sorgi-led offense.

You are kidding, right? I'm pretty sure most teams would take and start Harrison (1st ballot HOF), Wayne, Addai, and Clark.Other than those 4, yeah, I could see your point.

 

[pantherclub]

Have you ever noticed that people getting their coffee in Starbucks dress really nicely.

Mary Jo Beths softball team lost a doozy this week, 10-3, keep at it girls.

 

[IndyHavoc]

I think we should all remember that this is the same organization that kept on saying Marvin Harrison was questionable or probable for the entire season, after he got hurt. People joke about NE and their injury report, but IND showed last year that they were drinking from the same well when reporting injury information. So, take what Dungy and the others say with a grain of salt...believe it when you see it.

Actually the word around town would lead me to believe the franchise. Marvin was cleared to play with a good deal of the season remaining. He just wan't really fully partaking of his rehab or measures to ensure he could play. I'm not too worried about the Colts F.O. lieing through their teeth. And I'm 100% not worried about Manning lolly-gagging his rehab. I'd say if you want to be worried, be worried to the tune of a little more rust than usual for Week1 and 2. And really, the Colts have started off pretty darn slow the last few years anyway.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Marvin was cleared to play with a good deal of the season remaining. He just wan't really fully partaking of his rehab or measures to ensure he could play.

Can you clarify here? If Marvin was cleared to play, then what rehab was left to do? Given the care and caution given to Manning's rehab, your statement would seem to indicate that either the same was not afforded to Harrison or that he simply refused to suit up...

 

[Joe Bryant]

Have you ever noticed that people getting their coffee in Starbucks dress really nicely. Mary Jo Beths softball team lost a doozy this week, 10-3, keep at it girls.

If this is intentional, please stop.J

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Have you ever noticed that people getting their coffee in Starbucks dress really nicely. Mary Jo Beths softball team lost a doozy this week, 10-3, keep at it girls.

If this is intentional, please stop.J

I think fun was being poked at Peter King's MMQB column and his musings on 1) Starbucks coffee and 2) his daughters exploits - not the topic for what it's worth...

 

[KellysHeroes]

now might be a good time to prye Manning away from gis owners... hes still QB1b in my book

 

[gump]

now might be a good time to prye Manning away from gis owners... hes still QB1b in my book

Could be a golden opportunity...I'm hoping Wayne slips in drafts as well.Without knowing anything...I have too much faith in Manning to believe he's out for an extended period.

 

[KellysHeroes]

now might be a good time to prye Manning away from gis owners... hes still QB1b in my book

Could be a golden opportunity...I'm hoping Wayne slips in drafts as well.Without knowing anything...I have too much faith in Manning to believe he's out for an extended period.

What would suck is week 1, manning trouts on the field... drops a knee and trouts off. Sorgi comes in and manning continues the attempt to catch Farve.I personally hate when they do this... it shouldn't count.

 

[pizzatyme]

now might be a good time to prye Manning away from gis owners... hes still QB1b in my book

Could be a golden opportunity...I'm hoping Wayne slips in drafts as well.Without knowing anything...I have too much faith in Manning to believe he's out for an extended period.

What would suck is week 1, manning trouts on the field... drops a knee and trouts off. Sorgi comes in and manning continues the attempt to catch Farve.I personally hate when they do this... it shouldn't count.

If Manning "trouts" out, I'll eat my shorts! ETA, if he does "trout" out, I think he'll look like a fish out of water!

 

[TheFanatic]

Here's where you need to look at this article and say, "Hey, Peter, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Well maybe you should've because you know jack about rehabbing an injury like this."

Here's the big problem, as I see it. Polian says the doctors are not going to clear Manning unless they're sure he can maneuver in the pocket and has the leg strength to play an NFL game. Now, if Manning spent the second half of July (or more) with the leg immobilized, with a little longer to wait before normal activity could be resumed, the resulting muscle atrophy would take a while to get over. Thus, as of Sunday, Manning was working hard to make sure he get could full range of motion and normal flexion in the knee.

Muscles don't significantly atrophy with a couple of weeks of non use. Couple of months maybe. What that 2 weeks of immobilization will do is mess with his flexibility but have very little impact on the muscles. A couple of weeks with a particularly tortuous Physical Therapy will get that flexibility back. And I mean tortuous. Had my elbow immobilized for a couple of weeks at a 90 degree angle. When they took the cast off I couldn't straighten my arm. Couldn't go beyond that 90 degree angle. The PT simple would pull my arm past 90 degrees until I was almost in tears and stopped, let me catch my breath and did it again. Three times a week for 2 weeks and I had the full range of motion back.

 

[KellysHeroes]

they said 4 to 6 weeks before any football... this is the 5th week, so this was expected.

Now, when its Aug 26th... and theres no sign of him, its time to worry alittle. You got to remember... they cleared out an infection; you don't want him around anything that could cause the wound to become infected again. As long as theres a chance to become infected... hes not going to be on the field getting sweaty and dirty.

 

[wildbill]

This is more of a medical question than a football question, but how does a sac inside someone's knee become infected?

 

[IndyHavoc]

Marvin was cleared to play with a good deal of the season remaining. He just wan't really fully partaking of his rehab or measures to ensure he could play.

Can you clarify here? If Marvin was cleared to play, then what rehab was left to do? Given the care and caution given to Manning's rehab, your statement would seem to indicate that either the same was not afforded to Harrison or that he simply refused to suit up...

You'd have to go back and read some of the reports coming out around week 12-14. Marvin was cleared to practice/play by the team doctors. From what I was hearing (both sports radio and personal sources), he smiply didn't feel right with the knee. I don't want to derail the Manning original topic. I'm just saying that using how they announced / supposedly clouded Marvin's injury to lead anyone into devaluing Manning. If the F.O. says he's on schedule, he's on schedule.

 

[Tom Baker]

This is more of a medical question than a football question, but how does a sac inside someone's knee become infected?

Dirty needles?

 

[gianmarco]

This is more of a medical question than a football question, but how does a sac inside someone's knee become infected?

Specifically for that bursa, not sure if there is a specific mechanism, but most any part of the body can become infected. Most routes are blood-borne. Something as simple as brushing his teeth with mild bleeding and bacteria get introduced into the bloodstream. These bacteria now circulate everywhere. A normal healthy immune system is able to get rid of these bacteria and nothing else happens with it. Happens to us all the time and we don't know any different. However, if there were some type of injury or disruption of any kind inside the bursa where the bacteria could enter and take hold, then that's how the source of the infection can start. It's not a very common occurrence and needs a lot of things to go right for it to become an active infection (or wrong, depending on your point of view).

 

[Baron Samedi]

This is more of a medical question than a football question, but how does a sac inside someone's knee become infected?

Dirty needles?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think Manning will play just to keep that starts streak alive. But I'm certainly a little hesitant about Manning's '08 prospects. Most likely scenario is still that he has a monster year, but there's a chance that this could be the worst fantasy season of his career.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I thought this was an excellent article by King. I know people like to rip him for the coffee and field hockey stuff but the reality is the guy is plugged in to the league like few others.

So when he takes a guess (even if he's not willing to bet on it) and says 30-35% Manning won't be ready, I definitely take notice.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add, I trust Bill Polian about as far as I can throw him when it comes to being forthcoming about injury information.

J

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sorry if this is a :honda: I didn't read every post in this thread.

Coach Tony Dungy said Monday that Peyton Manning (bursa sac surgery) could resume practicing with the Colts next week.

Manning's initial timetable was 4-6 weeks. Next week would put him at the back end of that estimate, but Indy is always cautious with injuries and shouldn't have been expected to rush him. The Colts open the season vs. Chicago on September 7, giving Manning 20 days from Monday to get ready. Aug. 18 - 2:53 pm et

Source: Associated Press

 

[gianmarco]

This is more of a medical question than a football question, but how does a sac inside someone's knee become infected?

Specifically for that bursa, not sure if there is a specific mechanism, but most any part of the body can become infected. Most routes are blood-borne. Something as simple as brushing his teeth with mild bleeding and bacteria get introduced into the bloodstream. These bacteria now circulate everywhere. A normal healthy immune system is able to get rid of these bacteria and nothing else happens with it. Happens to us all the time and we don't know any different. However, if there were some type of injury or disruption of any kind inside the bursa where the bacteria could enter and take hold, then that's how the source of the infection can start. It's not a very common occurrence and needs a lot of things to go right for it to become an active infection (or wrong, depending on your point of view).

So, go ahead and disregard what I said above as after further reading, it seems septic bursitis (i.e. infection of the bursa) usually does NOT occur by a blood-borne infection (like what happens with infected joints and other specific infections) but instead through direct infection where the bursa becomes directly inoculated. Reason being, the bursa itself doesn't receive much blood supply. It can happen that route, but it's much more rare. Usually, however, it seems there is already a bursitis (inflammation of the bursa) from some type of repeated injury that sets it up to get infected. HTH.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I thought this was an excellent article by King. I know people like to rip him for the coffee and field hockey stuff but the reality is the guy is plugged in to the league like few others.So when he takes a guess (even if he's not willing to bet on it) and says 30-35% Manning won't be ready, I definitely take notice.J

I completely agree with you that King "is plugged in to the league like few others." I can count on one hand the # of other guys I know of who get the kind of inside info he gets.Saying that, however, his use of this great information when he develops his opinions, predicitions, and projections is suspect at best (to be kind). This is the same guy who said Danny Wuerfel was going to light the world on fire in Washington. He predicted Randy Moss was going to lead the league in scoring because of Mike Tice's mandated "Randy ratio." I could go on and on.Let's just say that I take all of his opinions with a grain of salt the size of Gibraltor. Back to Peyton, I'll be surprised if he misses week 1, because, well, he's Peyton. If he misses any time and/or is playing less than 100%, however, I think you have to downgrade all of the Colts' skill guys, particularly Addai. Indy's rushing schedule is absolutely brutal, and if opposing defenses don't have to respect the pass against the Colts like they usually do, Addai owners are in for a long year.

 

[TheFanatic]

Sorry if this is a :honda: I didn't read every post in this thread.

Coach Tony Dungy said Monday that Peyton Manning (bursa sac surgery) could resume practicing with the Colts next week.

Manning's initial timetable was 4-6 weeks. Next week would put him at the back end of that estimate, but Indy is always cautious with injuries and shouldn't have been expected to rush him. The Colts open the season vs. Chicago on September 7, giving Manning 20 days from Monday to get ready. Aug. 18 - 2:53 pm et

Source: Associated Press

This is the key here. They are being extra cautious with this guy. Having driven right past their new Palace yesterday on my way back to St. Louis from a wedding, do you really think they are going to risk christening that place in the regular season with Jim Sorgi behind Center?

 

[Mark Wimer]

To add, I trust Bill Polian about as far as I can throw him when it comes to being forthcoming about injury information.J

Very The "32-of-53 players are on the injury report" reports are totally worthless and often don't accurately estimate a player's probability of playing...

 

[BigRed]

I think Manning will play just to keep that starts streak alive.

I think Manning is not Favre by a long shot, ie he doesn't give a flip about stats or streaks.

I completely agree with you that King "is plugged in to the league like few others." I can count on one hand the # of other guys I know of who get the kind of inside info he gets.Saying that, however, his use of this great information when he develops his opinions, predicitions, and projections is suspect at best (to be kind). This is the same guy who said Danny Wuerfel was going to light the world on fire in Washington. He predicted Randy Moss was going to lead the league in scoring because of Mike Tice's mandated "Randy ratio." I could go on and on.

Exactly. I don't know if I'm treading on some sacred ground here and if this gets me "busted" so be it, but frankly IMO he's a total putz. The starbucks and other assorted non-football gigglings in a football column are just the most obvious examples. Anyway, re Manning, they certainly are keeping it close to the vest with nothing but vague "PR-speak" to date, so who knows.....my guess is he will play Week 1 with maybe slightly reduced mobility and them using TEs/RBs to block a little more than usual.

 

[Andy Herron]

All in all, there's still cause for some degree of concern at this point.

 

[Muahahaha]

I honestly have downgraded all Colts because of this. Last year, Addai and Wayne handed me the championship. I won't touch them this year. I usually try to hang my hat with the top offenses and let them lead me to a championship. But Peyton not practicing and not showing up in public? Very, very bad vibes. My spider sense is pushing me to other players in the same tiers.

I am actually shocked that this isn't being discussed more. Peyton is the heart and soul of that offense. Affects not only him, but the entire offense, all of whom would be mediocre at best on another team. I am not spending a 1st or 2nd round pick on a Sorgi-led offense.

You are kidding, right? I'm pretty sure most teams would take and start Harrison (1st ballot HOF), Wayne, Addai, and Clark.Other than those 4, yeah, I could see your point.

Ok, the use of the term mediocre was an overstatement. But for fantasy purposes I would easily downgrade every player on that team at least 1-3 rounds if I knew Sorgi was starting the whole season.That is my point. It has huge implications for every Colt & something like this easily pushes me from Addai to Barber and from Wayne to Edwards and from Clark to Shockey. Let somebody else take the risk.