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Pick a Pair/Half Decade Album Draft - Bonus Rounds Thu & Fri - Pick three if you want (1 Viewer)

Yeah, that first question is a serious one. I think we live in an age of doubt that has permeated everything. I think the art is part and parcel of a lack of belief in concreteness. I don't want to get too full of it, but I think that the death of God, as we knew or conceived of God, has a lot to do with our current artistic and spiritual malaise, and we're really feeling that now in America. This past generation is the first to really lose religion, as it were, and I think a whole host of things wind up going along with that.

I don't want to dilettante too much or muck up a fun thread, but your other point is noted. I couldn't help but think, once you made your last point, of how limited we are in our artistic expressions, and that the mythology of the pop star, especially that of the anti-image image seeker, is something to be addressed in doctoral form, really.


I can't take credit for that question. I just rephrased what was said in Hi Fidelity.

To me, art is a tricky thing.  I think it can be a great point or counter-point to any cultural zeitgeist, but I also think that it becomes mistaken as a source of truth rather than just a reflection of/against truth, and that's where subjectivity runs amok.

 
I find this interesting......but since music is so subjective,  how do you measure it at the end?  Vote on a winner?

 
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I find this interesting......but since music is so subjective,  how do measure it at the end?  Vote on a winner?
It's the process that counts here. We don't pick winners in these drafts. Any talk about a winner is a literal joke. Those are Timdrafts™. timscochet is a specific poster who posts here and runs drafts with judges. These are judge-free, Manster.

BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS JUDGED!

I kid. There's really no judging and most of us refrain from commenting if we don't like something. It's sort of like passing. It doesn't happen all the time, but we give pretty wide berths, all snobbery considered.

 
Speaking of auto-tune. My daughter loves these drafts but our tastes have separated over the years, as she gets older. I had two 20s (more really) in my quiver from the start, but I wanted to hear what she had. Of course, she could list many, but she didn't because there is ONE HUGE MAJOR must for her (08 and 21). I was excited to play it.

Well, it sucked. So I explained why. The lame lyrics, the awkward theme, the lack of musicianship and poorly developed hip hop beats. THE RELENTLESS UNNECESSARY AUTO TUNE.  They have fine voices without it, and some auto-tune is kinda cool to me. She agreed to disagree, called me an old white fogey. lol

Somewhere in this draft a drafter (sorry forget whom) expressed how cool it is to enjoy the same music as his 14 year old. Yeah, when mine was 14 it was the same. Good times. I hope his doesn't fall into the pop culture mainstream the way mine did. Good luck with that.
I said my twelve year old daughter likes the same stuff as me.  My sixteen year old son plays all that auto tune crap, but his favorites are Kanye and Kendrick.  Joey Badass or something too?  I dunno.  Anyway, my daughter hears all his stuff and doesn't like it at all.  Point is, I think I'm safe.  Tonight while we were driving with her friends, she started asking for Arcade Fire.  I don't actually play them a ton around her anymore, but that's all I played when she was a baby, lol.  Made me smile.

My son said whoever took Kendrick in this took the two best records in his opinion.

 
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I'm realizing, as I get older, that a lot of the music I did, should, or have liked comes from lonely, angry people griping at the world. Lyrically, especially, if not also sonically. I'm not sure what to make of that as I sober up even more, really. Should I listen to all these gripey, angry, angsty folks? Do I need to be on their bad trip? Do I want to be? I realize everything isn't wine and roses, but can't we have some bread, at least?

Once pop music stopped being about banging sixteen year-olds, what did it really have left besides the gripey?

Not sure.

Someone come lift me out of this malaise. It's bringing me down.
Take a listen to the fourth Santana album [name redacted since it's not been picked]. https://open.spotify.com/album/0abfpuzzbTUNxasNmX04RU?si=ELcDfQDZS1afagfNgpLAhQ&dl_branch=1. I have it on right now.

Few lyrics, and those that do appear are spiritual/positive. And the music is a spacier, slightly jazzier melange of the sound they developed on their first three albums. 

 
We're having a spotlighting auto tune draft.

Poppin' bottles in the ice, like a blizzard.
When we draft, we do it right gettin' slizzard.


 
I'd like to do NV's Rolling Stone top 500 draft.  25 drafters with 20 picks each, and you have to take one song within 1-25, 26-50, etc. up to 476-500.

We'd all end up with some garbage we'd hate.  :excited:  

 
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The drafter on each corner would have no choice. Just what we left. BUT he/she gets to kickoff the next 25. This thread is more entertaining that San Jose St. v Hawaii.


Oh, i wasn't thinking we'd have to go in order.  Random smattering makes for more strateg-er-y.

 
The drafter on each corner would have no choice. Just what we left. BUT he/she gets to kickoff the next 25. This thread is more entertaining that San Jose St. v Hawaii.
If we mandated that 1-25 be drafted first, then 26-50, etc. But what if you had to pick one from each block but it didn't matter what order? If I only liked one song from, say, block 351-375, that would be my first round pick. 

 
If we mandated that 1-25 be drafted first, then 26-50, etc. But what if you had to pick one from each block but it didn't matter what order? If I only liked one song from, say, block 351-375, that would be my first round pick. 
Yes, this is what I was thinking.  You'd have to draft from every block, but in no particular order.  Makes for more strategy.

 
@Pip's Invitationhas done a Beatles draft, and a Neil Young draft (I think?), and others like that on another board...
Correct. Beatles (group and solo combined), Stones, Neil, Dylan, Petty, REM, Bowie and soul/funk/R&B songs. Plus their version of the desert island draft (with songs instead of albums) and a "festival draft" of favorite live acts. Maybe one or two others that I can't remember off the top of my head. 

ETA: Added REM. Became much bigger fan of Bowie and REM after doing those drafts, as I only knew the most popular songs going in. 

 
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But Missy Elliot.....I mean thats like getting stuck with Nathan Peterman as ur starting QB
I happen to like Missy Elliott a bunch and think that Timbaland's and her production on both those tracks is outstanding.

But I also respect your opinion. See how this thing sort of polices itself even in the subjectivity? But I actually dig that stuff. A lot.

 
What if a few of chosen ones got to pick a band to expand the blocks? I'd take Steely Dan just to make you choose a song or two. :)
I'd be into that.  I don't think I've heard a Steely Dan song I didn't hate...so I feel like I should listen to more as I'm SURE I'm missing something given their popularity with people whose taste I think is good.

 
Can you work it
Let me work it
Flip that #### down dip it and and reverse it

[reverses record, played backwards]

It's {unintelligible vocals that sound dope}

 
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I'd be into that.  I don't think I've heard a Steely Dan song I didn't hate...so I feel like I should listen to more as I'm SURE I'm missing something given their popularity with people whose taste I think is good.
I can't really explain why I like them so much, as they don't sound like most of my other favorites. Their songs are just that good to my ears. 

 
I can't really explain why I like them so much, as they don't sound like most of my other favorites. Their songs are just that good to my ears. 
There's a unique quality to it that I could see either loving or hating.  Obviously I'm the latter, as it just immediately makes me cringe or worse. 

 
I happen to like Missy Elliott a bunch and think that Timbaland's and her production on both those tracks is outstanding.

But I also respect your opinion. See how this thing sort of polices itself even in the subjectivity? But I actually dig that stuff. A lot.
Soooooo subjective.....I've got a pretty eclectic musical taste but I just can't get into the poppy hip hop stuff.......for instance, I can't for the life of me understand how people can listen to Eminem.

 
I can't really explain why I like them so much, as they don't sound like most of my other favorites. Their songs are just that good to my ears. 
I'm an out of the closet jazz lover and in the closet yacht rock lover. This is a fusion of both, such easy listening. Toss in Larry Carlton on guitar and Michael McDonald singing some and it's just uniquely lush ear candy for me. The songwriting is also a one off. Wish there were more like them. 

 
I'm an out of the closet jazz lover and in the closet yacht rock lover. This is a fusion of both, such easy listening. Toss in Larry Carlton on guitar and Michael McDonald singing some and it's just uniquely lush ear candy for me. The songwriting is also a one off. Wish there were more like them. 
That's probably a pretty close approximation of how I feel about them as well. Their approach was unique, that's for sure. 

 
Wasn't Steely Dan known for intense perfectionism in the studio?  I know I heard that somewhere.
Yes. Carlton was the only band member Fagan and Becker didn't carefully control in the studio. Even then Carlton tells a funny story about playing an intro to a song I forget at the moment that he was really proud of. The next day in the studio Fagan axed it and played his own. It's funny because guitar wonks think it's Carlton on the studio recording and give him mad props for it. He did/does play Fagan's version live, so there's that.

Another refreshing thing about Steely Dan applicable to Rock's earlier lament today, is Fagan openly confesses they try to work humor into almost every single track. No dramatic broken hearts and gooey love songs. Let's be a little silly and see if people get it. In this interview he gives a sly grin because they're taken too seriously. 

 
Husker Du related - the loudest show I have ever been to was a Bob Mould solo acoustic show at the Paradise in Boston. It was ridiculous and honestly, not very enjoyable. It was like he was ####### with us and just trying to prove a point as to how much noise an acoustic guitar with a #### ton of pedals can produce.

 
Husker Du related - the loudest show I have ever been to was a Bob Mould solo acoustic show at the Paradise in Boston. It was ridiculous and honestly, not very enjoyable. It was like he was ####### with us and just trying to prove a point as to how much noise an acoustic guitar with a #### ton of pedals can produce.
I love his solo acoustic shows, he approaches them like no one else. That said, I could see him trolling if he felt the vibe was off or whatever. 

 
@KarmaPolice not the first time you've taken exactly the band and the two albums I had lined up. 

Was going to go different direction, but thought of these guys just now and their first album is to me an absolute classic and a different sound than my other picks so far. That pulled me back to listening to their other two and with a renewed respect for each, but especially the third which came out 24 years later.

6- Portishead

Dummy ('94)

Third ('08)
Dummy: Glory Box, it's a Fire

Third: The Rip, Threads

 

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