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Pick a Pair/Half Decade Album Draft - Bonus Rounds Thu & Fri - Pick three if you want (2 Viewers)

PIK95 said:
Ok, that makes sense.  I lost track of who was who over the years.  I was on FFToday for a while, and then here when it started.  Jim Rome boards on the late 90's. Time is a flying!
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I don't think you remember Zap from FFToday, but that was me. You and I played in FFLeagues together and counseled a young lad went by tj. I wonder what came of him whenever I think of old fftoday. 

 
Eephus said:
It's a great collection but it's light on the early stuff with Peter and Bunny.

Marley died forty years ago this year. It's a little creepy how his NIL has been attached to products that didn't exist during his lifetime but who am I to criticize the family from taking money from Babylon.
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I know you were busy with your son and Ditkaburgers in the nineties, but he saw a huge revival on the quads of every elite, private school campus in the Northeast and out West. The Trustifarian™ joke is very real. Ask PIK about that. I actually -- sadly -- have a sort of bad taste in my mouth about that, because the young adults I disliked as a group had an affinity for Marley and the Dead, two great artists that were co-opted and intellectually bludgeoned by a sort of upper-middle class that dabbled, but almost never ####ed with it in the proper spirit, if you ask me.

As far as NIL goes, Marley's family, to the best of my knowledge, has done a good job with the official business of his products. The stuff they sell at the official site is really, really nice, and they do a good job with his recordings, again, to the best of my knowledge. There's a fidelity to what his wish would have been had his wish been to go corporate in North America. That's really the catch. "If his wish had been..." but that's just how it is.

 
rockaction said:
I know you were busy with your son and Ditkaburgers in the nineties, but he saw a huge revival on the quads of every elite, private school campus in the Northeast and out West. The Trustifarian™ joke is very real.
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Legend was by FAR the most commonly played album at parties I went to in college. One of the Jimmy Buffet things was probably second. 

I frequently thought, "would these people really like reggae if it wasn't associated with weed?"

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Legend was by FAR the most commonly played album at parties I went to in college. One of the Jimmy Buffet things was probably second. 

I frequently thought, "would these people really like reggae if it wasn't associated with weed?"
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Legend is certainly a bittersweet memory for me. So many kids I didn't connect with had that CD in their system. Nothing dramatic, it just leaves a bittersweet taste in my mouth because it's a great comp.

 
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Chaos Commish said:
I don't think you remember Zap from FFToday, but that was me. You and I played in FFLeagues together and counseled a young lad went by tj. I wonder what came of him whenever I think of old fftoday. 
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Of course I do.  You were TJ's friend, and Commished one of the leagues. I typed my response after reading your first sentence, lol.

I had no idea you were captain chaos though.  I can't stress enough, how big if a blind spot I have keeping track of people and user names, let alone alias's.

 
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rockaction said:
I know you were busy with your son and Ditkaburgers in the nineties, but he saw a huge revival on the quads of every elite, private school campus in the Northeast and out West. The Trustifarian™ joke is very real. Ask PIK about that. I actually -- sadly -- have a sort of bad taste in my mouth about that, because the young adults I disliked as a group had an affinity for Marley and the Dead, two great artists that were co-opted and intellectually bludgeoned by a sort of upper-middle class that dabbled, but almost never ####ed with it in the proper spirit, if you ask me.
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100 % true.  Also, most of them follow Phish now I have been told.  Except that one guy ****, he is on the rail for all the Dead and Company shows.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Legend was by FAR the most commonly played album at parties I went to in college. One of the Jimmy Buffet things was probably second. 

I frequently thought, "would these people really like reggae if it wasn't associated with weed?"
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A1A... for us Marley and Jimmy were after hours and hangover morning music. I cleaned up massive animal house-ish messes many many times to these two.

 
I almost took Marley instead of Miles in rd 1. Then it seemed like he might fall so I risked it for the Boss albums that felt like they fell too far. Oh well, can't win in these drafts, just buy the ticket take the ride.

 
PIK95 said:
100 % true.  Also, most of them follow Phish now I have been told.  Except that one guy ****, he is on the rail for all the Dead and Company shows.
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I became one of those Phish guys, but through a completely different route. I read a description of their sound in a New York Times article about the first HORDE tour, and was like "I need to hear that." So I went out and bought A Picture of Nectar, which was their only CD in print at the time. Liked it, so then got the first two albums when they came back into print, then saw them live and things escalated from there. This was 1992-93, the Dead scene was only just starting to filter into the Phish scene, and didn't really do so overwhelmingly until Garcia died. 

Never really liked The Dead, and still don't. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
I became one of those Phish guys, but through a completely different route. I read a description of their sound in a New York Times article about the first HORDE tour, and was like "I need to hear that." So I went out and bought A Picture of Nectar, which was their only CD in print at the time. Liked it, so then got the first two albums when they came back into print, then saw them live and things escalated from there. This was 1992-93, the Dead scene was only just starting to filter into the Phish scene, and didn't really do so overwhelmingly until Garcia died. 

Never really liked The Dead, and still don't. 
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Ironically, I hate fish more than any band in existence.  I don't want to, I just do.  Tried to like them starting in 95.  Nope  I would rather hear William Hung on a loop, then have to listen to Tweezer even once.  Sorry/not sorry.

I'm happy they make so many people (with questionable hearing) happy though.  It's like church for some.  

 
rockaction said:
Legend is certainly a bittersweet memory for me. So many kids I didn't connect with had that CD in their system. Nothing dramatic, it just leaves a bittersweet taste in my mouth because it's a great comp.
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Marley's premature death and subsequent deification changed the future of Reggae. Had he lived, he would have continued to evolve which would have moved the music forward.  But for a lot of people, Reggae stopped when Marley died.

There's lots of great 80s Reggae but it produced no superstars (unless you count Sly & Robbie) because who can measure up to a legend.  In the 90s, Jamaica turned to Dancehall which had very little to do with Reggae.  Reggae music is much further from the mainstream than it was during Marley's lifetime. 

His children have put out some good records though.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Never really liked The Dead, and still don't. 
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Things might have been different if the Dead show I went to in Milwaukee when I was 18 hadn't been rained out.  I was still musically impressionable and it could have been a life changing experience.  I've tried to get into them over the years because I live on Haight Street and feel obliged to my homies.  But I always find myself zoning out to them.  Any jam based music is only as good as the rhythm section but I usually don't get the Dead's groove.  It's two drummers doing pretty uninteresting stuff.

I remember the Milwaukee show was cancelled mid-afternoon but the weather cleared in the evening.  It was at Summerfest so we ended up seeing John Prine instead. It didn't change my life but it was a fun show.

 
3    7    higgins
3    8    Mrs. Rannous
3    9    Raging weasel
3    10    Sinn Fein
3    11    landrys hat

 
Chaos Commish said:
That's a half snipe. I say I'm burnt on classic rock, but y'all keep sending me there....

RD 3

The Tom Petty

1979 Damn the Torpedoes

1994 Wildflowers

Refugee and Wreck Me maybe my two favorite songs from him. 
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Bruce and Tom were at the top of my (mental) list for my next go round.

waking up this morning has been a bit of a jolt - guess I should anticipate this happening more.

 
Eephus said:
Marley's premature death and subsequent deification changed the future of Reggae. Had he lived, he would have continued to evolve which would have moved the music forward.  But for a lot of people, Reggae stopped when Marley died.

There's lots of great 80s Reggae but it produced no superstars (unless you count Sly & Robbie) because who can measure up to a legend.  In the 90s, Jamaica turned to Dancehall which had very little to do with Reggae.  Reggae music is much further from the mainstream than it was during Marley's lifetime. 

His children have put out some good records though.
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Ziggy is touring now as a “tribute band” of Bob’s work.

 
I have Mrs. Rannous's picks.

I set my alarm for this. I wholly endorse these, personally.

Mrs. Rannous

I declare I don't care no more...

3.08

Green Day

Dookie (1994)

American Idiot (2004)
 
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Missed it up thread - the idea to post two favorite/representative tunes from each album?

 
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rockaction said:
i have Mrs. Rannous's picks.

I set my alarm for this. I wholly endorse these, personally.

Mrs. Rannous

I did but I don't care no more...

3.08

Green Day

Dookie (1994)

American Idiot (2004)
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exactly what i left on the table to have what i have. listened to both all the way through yesterday. not surprised they went. this draft was better thought out by eeph than i understood when he started describing the scarcity. i'm really enjoying this one. 

 
Eephus said:
 Any jam based music is only as good as the rhythm section but I usually don't get the Dead's groove.  It's two drummers doing pretty uninteresting stuff.
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I think the Grateful Dead had a great groove, especially their live shows. Someone could go to one of their shows and not know a single song, but dance along to the music cause of the groove of the music. Jerry Garcia was a unique guitar player, and his sound just flowed.  I started liking the Dead in Jr High. My best friend was from a large Catholic family, and some of her older siblings were much older than her, and they loved the Dead. They were originally from NJ, and had a summer home in Cape May. I would visit for two weeks in the summer, and most of what you heard was the Dead. They would play them and dance around the house. It was fun. I saw my first show in the early 80s, and the rest is history.  I never got into Phish. I couldn't tell you one song that they sing, although I've heard some from these drafts.

 
,I was in college in the late 80s and Legend was rampant- like it was handed out as required part of orientation. IIRC, Noah Baumbachs first movie, Kicking and Screaming uses it in an intentionally cliched dorm room scene that captures some of this. I totally get Rock's music-snobby annoyance- this was the album every kid who didn't give a #### about music had on and played when they had somebody over, including all the cultureless Greeks. 

One of my college soccer teammates was Jamaican, and happened to be good friends with Ziggy who came and visited whenever he was in town- really nice kid. Don't remember if he was touring yet, but i liked his music when he started. Same teammate turned me on to a lot of contemporary DanceHall stuff...Pincers, Shabba of course. HS soccer stoner surfer teammates had turned me on to roots rock stuff.

Speaking of stoners...growing up in southern Marin County, CA in the 70s and 80s meant I was surrounded by the Dead- the music, the attitude and the actual band members. It's where Summer of Love hippies went to roost. I couldn't stand anything about any of it.

 
I feel like this is the equivalent to taking a K/D in the 3rd round, but since there is no judging here...

3.10

Grateful Dead

Europe 72 (1972)

Jack Straw

Ramble on Rose

Formerly the Warlocks (2010)

Uncle John's Band

Good Lovin'

Now, I realize this violates the rule of no Live/compilation albums - but I feel like every rule must have an exception.  In most situations, bands go on tour to support album sales, but with the Dead, they released albums to support touring...and a studio album just does not really encompass the essence of the Dead. 

Europe 72 should actually be able to stand on its own, as it does include a number of original, and otherwise unreleased, songs.  Formerly the Warlocks is a boxed set officially released by the Dead in 2010, from two concerts recorded in October 1989 in Hampton, VA.  It not necessarily the best compilation, but the re-introduction of Dark Star to the set caused quite the stir.  But, more importantly, I was at both shows, so I feel like I am part of that album...

A couple of funny stories from the shows - Hampton had refused to allow the Grateful Dead back to the Hampton Coliseum because of all the Dead Heads the came with the band.  To get around this, the band agreed to be booked as Formerly the Warlocks, and tickets limited to local outlets, and not announced as part of the original East Coast tour..  I went both nights with a different group of friends - and actually ran into my boss on the second night.  Awkward. 

In the event that our benevolent leader strikes my reasonable picks here - in an effort to keep the draft moving, my back-ups are:

Aoxomoxoa (1969)

St. Stephen

American Beauty (1970)

Ripple - one of my favorite dead songs

 
Sinn Fein said:
Formerly the Warlocks is a boxed set officially released by the Dead in 2010, from two concerts recorded in October 1989 in Hampton, VA.  It not necessarily the best compilation, but the re-introduction of Dark Star to the set caused quite the stir.  But, more importantly, I was at both shows, so I feel like I am part of that album...

A couple of funny stories from the shows - Hampton had refused to allow the Grateful Dead back to the Hampton Coliseum because of all the Dead Heads the came with the band.  To get around this, the band agreed to be booked as Formerly the Warlocks, and tickets limited to local outlets, and not announced as part of the original East Coast tour..  I went both nights with a different group of friends - and actually ran into my boss on the second night.  Awkward. 
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I was at both of these shows in Hampton. I still have my ticket that says Warlocks on it. Their original name was the Warlocks, but they changed it to Grateful Dead. Anyway, it was so obvious the Grateful Dead were back in Hampton, because the Dead Heads were everywhere again, and holding up one finger or with a sign that says, "I Need a Miracle," meaning they want a free ticket.  Hampton, Va  originally didn't want them back, because previously some of the Dead Heads dirtied up local fast food restaurant bathrooms by taking bird baths in their sinks, not disposing of trash, etc. This was when a new generation of people became "Dead Heads" and some of these people were not good citizens. They started giving Dead Heads a bad name, and causing trouble outside of shows.

 
@Sinn Fein   Do you remember a building beside or near the Hampton Coliseum, and people were in there drinking (I think it served drinks), and there was a room that had a lot of red in it? Like red velvet furniture? I always have a faint memory of being in that building. 

 
simey said:
@Sinn Fein   Do you remember a building beside or near the Hampton Coliseum, and people were in there drinking (I think it served drinks), and there was a room that had a lot of red in it? Like red velvet furniture? I always have a faint memory of being in that building. 
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Not specifically - there was a hotel just off the parking lot - to the left as you faced the Coliseum as I recall.  Not too far from the Coliseum, and just beyond the back, were the proverbial "Projects" in Hampton.  I don't think you would have gone there - but I could maybe see some red velvet furniture there...

One of the things I still laugh at, after the first night we were all hanging out in the parking lot in my buddies VW Bus when the police were doing a sweep of the parking lot, and pushing people to get in their cars and drive away.  In retrospect, maybe not the time to push a bunch of people into cars and out onto the road...

My first concert in Hampton was the original "Final Tour" of The Rolling Stones in 1981. 15 yo kid, my mom dropped me off across the street about noon.  Gates opened close to 5:00 - and back then everything was GA.  Now, being somewhat of an athlete, and not a life-long smoker, the long run from the gates to the door was pretty easy and ensured front row center for the final show on the tour.  Still one of my favorite concert experiences - albeit nearly getting crushed against the barricade...

 
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