This is what I think the funny thing is:Read through this thread. IN THE PRESEASON, PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THE SAME EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NOW!!!They said, "Just wait a few weeks into the season...you're going to look so dumb for even thinking that Pinner could outproduce KJ."Whos laughing now?You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few yearsIf he only knew.... If he only knew how this looks....
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Pinner to get all of the carries w/ the 1st string (2 Viewers)
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Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
You obviously are a Kentucky fan or you wouldn't be pimping Pinner. I bet you will be glad when it's basketball season. Yeah, Ky really puts out those great offensive football players. Just look at Tim Couch
Now Moe Williams has been decent, but not great. Lets not forget Craig Yeast Maybe Jared Lorenzen (dough boy), or....well, you get the idea.
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I'm a huge UMD Terps fan actually.I'm neither a Lions, Wildcats, or even a Pinner fan. I just call it like I see it.You obviously are a Kentucky fan or you wouldn't be pimping Pinner. I bet you will be glad when it's basketball season. Yeah, Ky really puts out those great offensive football players. Just look at Tim Couch
Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
I wouldn't call Pinner out producing KJ in the whole scheme of things. Do you honestly think that will be the way it is in a couple of weeks. You are making yourself look worse with every post. Especially with this 1 td to 2, or .6 to .7 or whatever the hell it was. Do you realize how stupid that looks?This is what I think the funny thing is:Read through this thread. IN THE PRESEASON, PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THE SAME EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NOW!!!They said, "Just wait a few weeks into the season...you're going to look so dumb for even thinking that Pinner could outproduce KJ."Whos laughing now?You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few years
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Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
I thought you posted you were a Wildcat Fan in another post. Do I have to look it up? Fess up.I'm a huge UMD Terps fan actually.I'm neither a Lions, Wildcats, or even a Pinner fan. I just call it like I see it.You obviously are a Kentucky fan or you wouldn't be pimping Pinner. I bet you will be glad when it's basketball season. Yeah, Ky really puts out those great offensive football players. Just look at Tim Couch
I've never posted anything close to that. Heres a link that shows I'm a Terps fan:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...15258&hl=vitaleI thought you posted you were a Wildcat Fan in another post. Do I have to look it up? Fess up.I'm a huge UMD Terps fan actually.I'm neither a Lions, Wildcats, or even a Pinner fan. I just call it like I see it.You obviously are a Kentucky fan or you wouldn't be pimping Pinner. I bet you will be glad when it's basketball season. Yeah, Ky really puts out those great offensive football players. Just look at Tim Couch
No, but this is the funny thing: I was laughed at and completely ridiculed for predicting in the preseason that Pinner would outproduce KJ. I think you have to admit that at least its a lot closer than you think.I think the post I wrote in this thread might explain a little:Ctsu asked me:"You're obviously an intelligent guy, but why are you showing all this love for Pinner? I know they are both good backs but KJ is obviously more talented. I really don't know how you can deny that. Do you know Pinner personally or go to the same school as him? At least that would help explain what you see in him that no one else (including the Lions) does."My response was:"Heres why I 'love' Pinner so much:I really honestly thought that Pinner would have a better fantasy season than KJ. I said that in a few threads, and I got absolutely blasted for it. I wish I could find some of the threads, but its hard to search for small threads that happened months ago. But I got really laid into by a few posters. And not one poster really came to my defense in some of these threads.And I disagree that KJ is "obviously more talented." Pinner would've been a high draft choice, but injury and off the field concerns caused him to drop to the 4th round. What has KJ ever done in the NFL to cause you to think that hes so talented? Every time I've seen him play, he has been terrible. Not only did I like Pinner in the preseason, but I also thought KJ was way overrated, which was part of the reason I predicted Pinner would succeed this year(I figured he'd eventually get the starting job).So now that Pinner is actually outperforming KJ, I feel like I have the right to be obnoxious back to everyone here who insulted me or was obnoxious towards me. While its obviously still pretty close and its early, I think its obvious now that to say "Pinner would have a better year" might not turn out to be true but its definitely not a totally ridiculous statement like many acted like it was."I wouldn't call Pinner out producing KJ in the whole scheme of things. Do you honestly think that will be the way it is in a couple of weeks. You are making yourself look worse with every post. Especially with this 1 td to 2, or .6 to .7 or whatever the hell it was. Do you realize how stupid that looks?This is what I think the funny thing is:Read through this thread. IN THE PRESEASON, PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THE SAME EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NOW!!!They said, "Just wait a few weeks into the season...you're going to look so dumb for even thinking that Pinner could outproduce KJ."Whos laughing now?You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few years
It seems like others are finally catching on that KJ is a bust. Fanball just wrote an article about him that was addressed in this thread.
For someone whose main assest was supposed to be speed, being critisized for "he has no fifth gear" doesn't sound promising.
For someone whose main assest was supposed to be speed, being critisized for "he has no fifth gear" doesn't sound promising.
Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
Outproducing? Jones has been hurt and it's still close. You talk like Pinner has actually done something. Your funny
I don't think the Lions or their fans agree with you either. When this is all said and done, your going to look pretty silly. 
Pinner has more fantasy points per touch than KJ. Which stat would you like to use? I think thats a pretty telling one.Also, KJ has started multiple games(2 before he even got hurt). Pinner has one start. In Pinner's ONE start, he put up more fantasy points than KJ did in any of his starts. Again, what other stats would you like me to use there?I never said it wasn't close...I just think its funny to laugh at all those who said that KJ would run away with this and it would never be close.Outproducing? Jones has been hurt and it's still close. You talk like Pinner has actually done something. Your funny
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Whoa there big boy. Pinner has 2. His first was on 3rd down inside the one after he got sutffed the first 2 downs.His second was yesterday only when KJ had to come out of the game due to cramping in his calves, because he was hurt and wasn't conditioned well enough. I'm sure KJ would have had that TD if his calves didn't cramp up.Once KJ gets into game shape their roles will be well noticed. KJ running with the ball to the goal line. Pinner running with the waterbottle to give KJ some refreshment.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You forgot to factor in week 7 stats. These are from NFL.com and week 7 isn't in there. If they were you would have 281 total yards for Pin and 283 for KJ.
Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
Once KJ gets into game shape their roles will be well noticed. KJ running with the ball to the goal line. Pinner running with the waterbottle to give KJ some refreshment.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Outplaying the guy would mean he has something like 5 more TD's and not be behind in total yards. Outplaying doesn't mean playing at nearly identical numbers, albeit with some .1 difference you keep pimping (.1 :rotflmao: ). Given a chance to get on the field and not doing much with it is not outplaying someone. The fact that this logic makes no sense to you is comical. If KJ wasn't dealing with an injury your argument would have been blown apart by now instead of being on life support. That's not something I would bank on. And considering that you are rapidly becoming a board laughing stock it seems that you did bet something on this - your board cred.....
Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You quoted multiple times where I put 'many back' instead of 'main back.'I guess it's good to know that you have the attention span of a field mouse. Go back and reread those inane posts and you will see it.As for your name, I could care less if you are insulted because I mispelled your name. Your name is a bunch of nonsensical letters to me. To you they may make perfect sense. To me (and the rest of the board) there is a J followed by a w or two and some other letters. Come up with a name that makes sense. Until then you will be JWVNSESE to me. Get over it you thin skinned wuss....
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Pinner is not outplaying Jones....Pinner has had more carries, but that doesn't translate into outplaying...As for yesterday, Pinner came in on garbage time dude and scored with less than a two minutes in the game while the Lions were up in the game inside the 10 because Jones got cramps from not practicing all week...he spelled Jones and scored...simple as that...
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
He looked great yesterday and you admitted that in another post. You also stated that you didn't see him in the first two games in another thread. How many times have you watched him play to make the statement that he's looked?No, but this is the funny thing: I was laughed at and completely ridiculed for predicting in the preseason that Pinner would outproduce KJ. I think you have to admit that at least its a lot closer than you think.I think the post I wrote in this thread might explain a little:Ctsu asked me:"You're obviously an intelligent guy, but why are you showing all this love for Pinner? I know they are both good backs but KJ is obviously more talented. I really don't know how you can deny that. Do you know Pinner personally or go to the same school as him? At least that would help explain what you see in him that no one else (including the Lions) does."My response was:"Heres why I 'love' Pinner so much:I really honestly thought that Pinner would have a better fantasy season than KJ. I said that in a few threads, and I got absolutely blasted for it. I wish I could find some of the threads, but its hard to search for small threads that happened months ago. But I got really laid into by a few posters. And not one poster really came to my defense in some of these threads.And I disagree that KJ is "obviously more talented." Pinner would've been a high draft choice, but injury and off the field concerns caused him to drop to the 4th round. What has KJ ever done in the NFL to cause you to think that hes so talented? Every time I've seen him play, he has been terrible. Not only did I like Pinner in the preseason, but I also thought KJ was way overrated, which was part of the reason I predicted Pinner would succeed this year(I figured he'd eventually get the starting job).So now that Pinner is actually outperforming KJ, I feel like I have the right to be obnoxious back to everyone here who insulted me or was obnoxious towards me. While its obviously still pretty close and its early, I think its obvious now that to say "Pinner would have a better year" might not turn out to be true but its definitely not a totally ridiculous statement like many acted like it was."I wouldn't call Pinner out producing KJ in the whole scheme of things. Do you honestly think that will be the way it is in a couple of weeks. You are making yourself look worse with every post. Especially with this 1 td to 2, or .6 to .7 or whatever the hell it was. Do you realize how stupid that looks?This is what I think the funny thing is:Read through this thread. IN THE PRESEASON, PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THE SAME EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NOW!!!They said, "Just wait a few weeks into the season...you're going to look so dumb for even thinking that Pinner could outproduce KJ."Whos laughing now?You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few years
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Actually, I looked at the first start of a seemingly healthy KJ (still being eased back into the system by the coaching staff) and compared that to the start that you have pimped on more than one occassion. What was that about "Pinner's one start is better than all all of KJ's starts?" Isn't that selectively looking at the stats as well? I just love Hypocrites!!Second, as for overall Fantasy Production I'm not a mindless tool that looks only at stats and sees one back is .6 per carry and the other is .7. Oh, here is where you jump in and say you've seen his vision and his blocking ability or breakaway speed or whatever, which I respect about as much as I respect my Grandmother's opinion on which Porn movie I should get. Who are you? What team do you scout for?I tend to look at trends. I drafted KJ and didn't plan on starting in the early part of this year if I didn't have to. Why? I didn't expect the guy to be an impact player in week 1. Maybe a few weeks in like weeks 4, 5, or 6. If it wasn't for the injury, I'm guessing that would've been right on. But here is the trend. Your guy - 13, 2 and then 9 (and we both know that the last TD was a fluke and it should've been 3 if KJ were a 100%). My guy 0, 0 and then 12. These paths are divergent. <In best Aspen Edge Commercial Voice> One is heading to the starting job each and every week. The other is heading to the bench. One is heading in the direction of me bumping this thread every week. One is leading to you hanging your head in shame each and every week. Good luck my friend. And I'm sure we'll be talking again. I let you hook me on this 9 page fishing trip for a while. After I've completely ridiculed you, I will get bored and move on....LOL...ok, well yeah you could pick out specific touches and say how KJ has done better. I could do that for any player. I could show you how Blaylock is a ton better than LT2 because in a few SPECIFIC touches, he outperformed LT2.Overall, Pinner has more points per touch. Thats taking everything into account.But, really thats not even important here. In fantasy football all thats important is how much you can score in one week(since you have to pick a starter each week). A fantasy player would've only realistically played Pinner once this year since thats the only week he started: And that week he would've gotten 14 points.A fantasy player would've started KJ a bunch of times since he was starting a bunch of times...he would've gotten terrible results from KJ and never better than Pinner's one week.Thats all that really matters- fantasy owners worry about results not potentiality.That's funny. He scored 12 points yesterday on 13 touches which is .9 points per touch. Pinner's best output was 13 points on 24 touches for .54 points per touch. Yeah, no way KJ can outscore Pinner.
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suchislife
Footballguy
Let's talk about KJ & AP long-term. Since Pinner is only in his second NFL season, I assume he's under contract for a few more seasons(?). I notice he's old, relatively speaking, for a 2nd season player. Considering the Lion's traded up to get KJ, I would assume he's their RB of the future. Could it be possible for Pinner to start with the "play me or trade me" talk (ala THenry/McGahee)? As a KJ dynasty owner, I handcuffed him with Pinner (thanks jwvdcw!). It would be nice to end up with 2 starting RBs for future seasons.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
I really don't think there's that much demand for a mediocre plodder. Most Lions fans seem to view Pinner as a nice back up and not much more.
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suchislife
Footballguy
Thanks EBF - I haven't watched the Lions at all this season, just see the stats. I know Pinner was injured last year and hasn't had much playing time. Then the team goes and trades up for another RB (I guess that should speak volumes!). But since I have both on my roster, I'm hoping for the best fantasy scenerio.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
If Pinner were putting up Mewelde Moore or Droughns numbers then you would indeed be in a situation where you would have 2 starters next season. Detroit would move one, but Pinner's not exciting anyone. While you hear rumors of a Viking back to Miami, you don't hear any talks of a Detroit back going there. Why? Because they have only one good RB and he isn't Pinner. So don't look for the Phish or any other team desperate for a RB to be looking to Detroit for Pinner. If he wound up on another team he would just ride the pine there like he should be in Detroit.
You're sure that KJ would've gotten that TD? Come on, I realize that you're trying to win an argument here, but thats ridiculous. So everytime Pinner does well, are you 'sure' that KJ could've done the same thing? I mean there comes a point when Pinner plays well, you simply have to say 'good job.' You can't just say, "Well, I'm sure that KJ could've done that as well."I mean, you don't hear me saying, "I'm sure Pinner would've gotten that first TD if he would've been in there." No, instead I bumped this entire thread just to say how impressed I was with KJ there! See, I am being objective! I'd appriciate it if the rest of you would as well.Whoa there big boy. Pinner has 2. His first was on 3rd down inside the one after he got sutffed the first 2 downs.His second was yesterday only when KJ had to come out of the game due to cramping in his calves, because he was hurt and wasn't conditioned well enough. I'm sure KJ would have had that TD if his calves didn't cramp up.Once KJ gets into game shape their roles will be well noticed. KJ running with the ball to the goal line. Pinner running with the waterbottle to give KJ some refreshment.
As a die hard Lions fan...even she understands that Pinner is no Jones......then again, she has one a fantasy football championship as well..I don't understand what you're arguing here.If someone rushes for 5000 yards over his career. And another back rushes for 5001 yards on the same number of carries, then the latter outplayed him! Was it close? Yes. Did he outplay him by a lot? No. But he did outplay him! How is this hard to understand?Pinner has more total fantasy points. Pinner has the highest one game total.Pinner has more fantasy points per touch.What else do you want? I don't care if its close! That just means he is closely outplaying him...thats still outplaying!"something like 5 more TD's and not be behind in total yards. Outplaying doesn't mean playing at nearly identical numbers, albeit with some .1 difference you keep pimping "Yes it does! That means he OUTPLAYED him by .1 fantasy point per touch! I guess close victories don't count in your league? So if one team only wins by a little bit then you just call it a tie? What crazy logic you have...I'm not trying to be offensive, so forgive if I am..but thats really the only way I can say it.
First of all, being injury prone is a negative..thats not something to be ignored.Secondly, I'm not talking about when KJ was injured. I'm talking about when he was perfectly healthy. IN THE GAMES IN WHIC KJ WAS PERFECTLY HEALTHY HE NEVER PUT UP MORE FANTASY POINTS THAN PINNER DID. So stop hiding behind this injury excuse.
I quoted you because I didn't want people to think that I came up with that phrase...sorry you're offended. I do apologize. I was out of line, and it won't happen again.As for my name...if you can't get it right then just say JW. Or say 'you.' No need to randomly push 10 letters when you know its not nearly that long...Why do you feel the need to 'get at me' like that? We're just having a friendly debate...calm down."you have the attention span of a field mouse""those inane posts ""I could care less if you are insulted ""up with a name that makes sense""Get over it you thin skinned wuss"Are you like this to everyone you have a debate with? Seriously..I consider this a friendly debate. I'm sorry that you are obviously taking it personal. Calm down please. A few things for you to consider: Insulting someone online makes you look less intelligent. Insulting someone in the middle of an argument makes it look like you realize you are losing the argument and are resulting to personal attacks. I'm not saying this to cause trouble...just letting you know. Anyway, I will totally refrain from the personal attacks, so it'd be nice if you would as well. Thank you and the best of luck to you in your fantasy leagues.
I have seen parts of nearly all the Lions game..I"m not sure where I said I didn't. I didn't watch them completely(maybe thats what I was saying), but I did see a lot of them. Sorry if I was vague or misleading- not my intentions.He looked great yesterday and you admitted that in another post. You also stated that you didn't see him in the first two games in another thread. How many times have you watched him play to make the statement that he's looked?No, but this is the funny thing: I was laughed at and completely ridiculed for predicting in the preseason that Pinner would outproduce KJ. I think you have to admit that at least its a lot closer than you think.I think the post I wrote in this thread might explain a little:Ctsu asked me:"You're obviously an intelligent guy, but why are you showing all this love for Pinner? I know they are both good backs but KJ is obviously more talented. I really don't know how you can deny that. Do you know Pinner personally or go to the same school as him? At least that would help explain what you see in him that no one else (including the Lions) does."My response was:"Heres why I 'love' Pinner so much:I really honestly thought that Pinner would have a better fantasy season than KJ. I said that in a few threads, and I got absolutely blasted for it. I wish I could find some of the threads, but its hard to search for small threads that happened months ago. But I got really laid into by a few posters. And not one poster really came to my defense in some of these threads.And I disagree that KJ is "obviously more talented." Pinner would've been a high draft choice, but injury and off the field concerns caused him to drop to the 4th round. What has KJ ever done in the NFL to cause you to think that hes so talented? Every time I've seen him play, he has been terrible. Not only did I like Pinner in the preseason, but I also thought KJ was way overrated, which was part of the reason I predicted Pinner would succeed this year(I figured he'd eventually get the starting job).So now that Pinner is actually outperforming KJ, I feel like I have the right to be obnoxious back to everyone here who insulted me or was obnoxious towards me. While its obviously still pretty close and its early, I think its obvious now that to say "Pinner would have a better year" might not turn out to be true but its definitely not a totally ridiculous statement like many acted like it was."I wouldn't call Pinner out producing KJ in the whole scheme of things. Do you honestly think that will be the way it is in a couple of weeks. You are making yourself look worse with every post. Especially with this 1 td to 2, or .6 to .7 or whatever the hell it was. Do you realize how stupid that looks?This is what I think the funny thing is:Read through this thread. IN THE PRESEASON, PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THE SAME EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NOW!!!They said, "Just wait a few weeks into the season...you're going to look so dumb for even thinking that Pinner could outproduce KJ."Whos laughing now?You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few years
Ummm...no.Heres the equivalent of what you're saying and what I'm saying. This is all hypothetical:YOUPlayer A: 5 starts: 14 fantasy points, 31 fantasy points, 4, 7, 9.Player B: 6 starts: 11 fantasy points, 7, 3, 1, 4, 6, 4.You're saying something like: see Player B outproduced Player A when you compare his 1st start with Player A's 3rd start!MEPlayer A: 1 start: 20Player B: 8 starts: 4, 9, 12, 19, 3, 5, 3, 6I'm saying something like: Player a produced more in one of his only two starts than Player B in any of his many starts.Now obviously I've exaggerated the stats to show you my point. Basically you're randomly picking one of player's starts and comparing it to the other player.I'm taking one players ONLY start- so I have no other game to take. And comparing it to ALL of the other guys starts. I'm not doing anything random or picking games just to fit my argument.
I'm a big time football fan..thats all.And, yes, your opinion is just as informed as mine. On opinions, we differ. And we have differed since the beginning of the season. At the beginning of the season everyone said KJ would outproduce Pinner. I said he wouldn't. So far I am right.Now, everyone is changing it to "Well he hasn't so far, but KJ will turn it aroudn and outproduce Pinner." I'm saying, "I still think Pinner will outproduce him, and hey give me some props because I've been right so far."
So Pinner's TD was a fluke? Yet KJ's wasn't?I love your selective logic.No, Pinner earned that TD. The defense knew they were going to run, and he still ran right over them for a TD. Theres no fluke about that.I like 13, 2, and 9 better than 0(injured so doesn't count), 0, and 12.
Glad I could influence you. Anyone who picked up Pinner under my advise probably got a nice bye week fill in a few weeks ago...that was really the only game that you could've started any Detroit RB with confidence(knowing it wouldn't be RBBC)...and he produced nicely(probably top 15 in the league that week).
Pinner suxorKJones roxorit will all become clear soon enough.
wow, 14 pages of nonsense and that was all it took?cool
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Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
This has to be one of the worst threads in the history of FBG's.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I voted for the war, before I voted against it...
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